COAS General Asim Munir open to forgiving Imran Khan if apology offered

[DeadlyVenom]

It’s called selling out. They have a country and an army to give away.

This is just Indian propaganda.

 

[HalBass9]

I'm not sure that's true. Qamar Bajwa's role in Nawaz Sharif's ouster and Imran Khan's rise is well accepted.

The controversial legacy of Pakistan’s outgoing army chief Bajwa

Both Imran Khan with his 'same page' statements and PTI supporters at the time were fully supportive of this interference. Here's a quote from a BBC Article



They did fall out towards the end and that's when it felt like the mood changed.

I’ve heard this “same page” argument countless times, and it oversimplifies what actually happened. It wasn’t just Imran Khan, virtually the entire country felt aligned in a rare moment of collective hope. Pakistanis genuinely believed they were finally moving past decades of corrupt, family run political enterprises. And yes, like every major political shift in Pakistan, this too required the Army’s blessing, that’s simply the reality of our political structure.

But the crucial difference this time is that the public is no longer willing to accept the Establishment’s narrative at face value. The disagreement between the people and the power brokers is out in the open, amplified by multiple media platforms that the state can no longer fully control.

And it’s important to remember, Nawaz Sharif’s downfall didn’t begin with any “same page” claim, it began the day his name appeared in the Panama Papers.

 

[HalBass9]

Not when the elected leader is behind bars for corruption, terrorism charges, and spreading hate to destabilize the country.

No! But he had dated some of the well known female across the globe, married a jew and married 3 times. And all of that is irrelevant.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I'm not sure that's true. Qamar Bajwa's role in Nawaz Sharif's ouster and Imran Khan's rise is well accepted.

The controversial legacy of Pakistan’s outgoing army chief Bajwa

Both Imran Khan with his 'same page' statements and PTI supporters at the time were fully supportive of this interference. Here's a quote from a BBC Article



They did fall out towards the end and that's when it felt like the mood changed.

The difference is, if Imran Khan was just interested in cementing his power base, he would have just gone along with the Generals and signed off on everything they put in front of him. The supporters of Imran Khan trusted in him as a man of integrity, so if the army fell in line, then the assumption was that the Generals had stepped back and were going to let him govern. No one is under any illusion that the Bhutto or Sharif clan will show any backbone. They are yes men basically.

 

[Bewal Express]

Not when the elected leader is behind bars for corruption, terrorism charges, and spreading hate to destabilize the country.

Which terrorism charge? Any ideas? Have they come to court and if they havent, why not?
Can you explain why this lady isnt in prison of terrorism charges and sedition. And at this point you will become a gunga and run off?

 

[Bewal Express]

Not when the elected leader is behind bars for corruption, terrorism charges, and spreading hate to destabilize the country.

Corruption charges? Which ones. Are those the ones that were suspended by the Junta charges or your Coward is to scared to allow appeals for.

 

[Red-Indian]

I’ve heard this “same page” argument countless times, and it oversimplifies what actually happened. It wasn’t just Imran Khan, virtually the entire country felt aligned in a rare moment of collective hope. Pakistanis genuinely believed they were finally moving past decades of corrupt, family run political enterprises. And yes, like every major political shift in Pakistan, this too required the Army’s blessing, that’s simply the reality of our political structure.

But the crucial difference this time is that the public is no longer willing to accept the Establishment’s narrative at face value. The disagreement between the people and the power brokers is out in the open, amplified by multiple media platforms that the state can no longer fully control.

And it’s important to remember, Nawaz Sharif’s downfall didn’t begin with any “same page” claim, it began the day his name appeared in the Panama Papers.

The difference is, if Imran Khan was just interested in cementing his power base, he would have just gone along with the Generals and signed off on everything they put in front of him. The supporters of Imran Khan trusted in him as a man of integrity, so if the army fell in line, then the assumption was that the Generals had stepped back and were going to let him govern. No one is under any illusion that the Bhutto or Sharif clan will show any backbone. They are yes men basically.

While I agree Imran has now come to symbolise the hopes of those Pakistanis who seek to break the country out of 75 years of Army control, I believe retroactively fitting him into that role is absurd. It's impossible to find one interview (and believe me...I searched) from pre-2020 where he criticised the amount of influence the army had over Pakistani politics. In fact, there is lots of evidence of him supporting Musharraf as dictator of Pakistan.

Imran Khan campaigned for years on one single platform - denouncing the corruption of the traditional political parties in Pakistan. Opposition to the Establishment was never up for discussion.

He does seem to have realised since his imprisonment that the parties in Pakistan are now and have always been mere puppets. Of course including his own. He was remarkably frank in the famous Atlantic Council interview where he admits that he used to call the ISI to get his bills passed.

It's impossible not to respect him now as he sits in jail - bravely (or should I say bull-headedly) insisting on principle but I would've truly acknowledged his vision and courage if he'd acted when he had the chance - finding a way to cut army influence on Pakistani politics...giving up Prime Ministership and going back for a bigger mandate if he had to.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

While I agree Imran has now come to symbolise the hopes of those Pakistanis who seek to break the country out of 75 years of Army control, I believe retroactively fitting him into that role is absurd. It's impossible to find one interview (and believe me...I searched) from pre-2020 where he criticised the amount of influence the army had over Pakistani politics. In fact, there is lots of evidence of him supporting Musharraf as dictator of Pakistan.

Imran Khan campaigned for years on one single platform - denouncing the corruption of the traditional political parties in Pakistan. Opposition to the Establishment was never up for discussion.

He does seem to have realised since his imprisonment that the parties in Pakistan are now and have always been mere puppets. Of course including his own. He was remarkably frank in the famous Atlantic Council interview where he admits that he used to call the ISI to get his bills passed.

It's impossible not to respect him now as he sits in jail - bravely (or should I say bull-headedly) insisting on principle but I would've truly acknowledged his vision and courage if he'd acted when he had the chance - finding a way to cut army influence on Pakistani politics...giving up Prime Ministership and going back for a bigger mandate if he had to.

All of that can be put down to political naivety rather than being duplicitous. I would still back him on principle personally.

 

[Red-Indian]

All of that can be put down to political naivety rather than being duplicitous. I would still back him on principle personally.

We can agree to disagree in that I personally think he's a huge opportunist and typical populist in addition to being politically naive.

The fact remains though that anyone who professes to back democracy and doesn't support Imran Khan over the current Army run facade is being extremely duplicitous.

 

[emranabbas]

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7581004185446010132

@Major

 

[Savak]

Field Marshall will do what Nawaz Sharif tells him to do.

 

[UP]

Field Marshall will do what Nawaz Sharif tells him to do.

Why didn’t he make NS (after Feb 8) the PM when he made the deal (London plan)?

 

[rpant_gabba]

It’s called selling out. They have a country and an army to give away.

The template was set by Mahomedali Jinnahbhai. Read his statements appealing to Truman.