Will India lose points if they refuse to play against Pakistan in Test League? Answer is NO

[Hermoine Green]

Correct me if i am wrong.

I think some days back PCB said that India will lose points if India refuse to play against Pakistan. I think this is not the case.

The ICC, in an official communiqué following its Executive Board meeting earlier, had explained that the Test league will see nine teams play six series over two years – three home and three away – with each having a minimum of two Tests and a maximum of five, and all matches being played over five days culminating in a World Test League Championship Final.


This means India can still avoid playing against Pakistan in the Test league by opting to play against six other teams. No country is bound to play every country in these leagues and the leagues will be scheduled only after being mutually agreed upon by the two competing boards.

So i think it means that if India and Pakistan don’t agree upon playing against each other, then India vs Pakistan matches will not be made part of the Test league. So, there is no question of forfeiting the points.

 

[R0H1T]

Yes we won;t lose any points, nor should we, but the ICC test league is farcical anyway because Afghanistan/Ireland/Zimbabwe are now treated (officially) as second class citizens!

 

[Reddy]

There will be no loss of points for Indian team according to the rules, the Test league was formed after taking all these concerns into mind.

 

[UN talkz]

Correct me if i am wrong.

I think some days back PCB said that India will lose points if India refuse to play against Pakistan. I think this is not the case.

The ICC, in an official communiqué following its Executive Board meeting earlier, had explained that the Test league will see nine teams play six series over two years – three home and three away – with each having a minimum of two Tests and a maximum of five, and all matches being played over five days culminating in a World Test League Championship Final.


This means India can still avoid playing against Pakistan in the Test league by opting to play against six other teams. No country is bound to play every country in these leagues and the leagues will be scheduled only after being mutually agreed upon by the two competing boards.

So i think it means that if India and Pakistan don’t agree upon playing against each other, then India vs Pakistan matches will not be made part of the Test league. So, there is no question of forfeiting the points.

What if they meet in knockouts or final of this league... or there is nothing like that in this Test League

 

[Monsee]

Hypocrisy of Indian team will be exposed once they are slated to meet us in knockout or final of the championship (if both end up being matched against each other)...if BCCI/Indian Govt/Indian team is so principled in their stance to not play Pak, then I expect them to walk away from the said game!

 

[TalhaSyed]

What if they meet in knockouts or final of this league... or there is nothing like that in this Test League

Top 2 teams will meet in the Final - but the Final will be at Lords so guessing BCCI will go ahead and play this.

BCCI/GOI Logic - we will not play against Pakistan since they are a state who support terrorism and have taken many innocent Indian lives!!!.............However - if a sporting trophy is at stake - we are happy to forget about all those innocent Indian lives which Pakistan has supposedly taken and play against the supposed 'terror supporting state', since an ICC trophy is more important than any of that...

We all know how well that logic ended for them last time #CT2017

 

[Syed1]

The way that ICC works I won't be surprised if Pakistan ends up losing points for India's refusal to play.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Top 2 teams will meet in the Final - but the Final will be at Lords so guessing BCCI will go ahead and play this.

BCCI/GOI Logic - we will not play against Pakistan since they are a state who support terrorism and have taken many innocent Indian lives!!!.............However - if a sporting trophy is at stake - we are happy to forget about all those innocent Indian lives which Pakistan has supposedly taken and play against the supposed 'terror supporting state', since an ICC trophy is more important than any of that...

We all know how well that logic ended for them last time #CT2017

We will not act according to how Pakistan wants us to act.You dont like it.GOI doesnt care.

We dont play bilateral series pcb doesnt make money from us.

We dont forfeit matches in icc events, pakistan doesnt get 2 easy points.

The point is not to give Pcb any easy free meals.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What if they meet in knockouts or final of this league... or there is nothing like that in this Test League

The finals at lords wont be a bilateral series but a icc event.

 

[Blitz]

Yes we won;t lose any points, nor should we, but the ICC test league is farcical anyway because Afghanistan/Ireland/Zimbabwe are now treated (officially) as second class citizens!

Nor should you? For refusing to play an opposition team in a league format?

Almost every other league and sport in the world bans teams for doing that. Fifa and the Olympics committee bans team if there is any political interference from the government. So yes, ultimately I agree with you. ICC test league is farcical.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nor should you? For refusing to play an opposition team in a league format?

Almost every other league and sport in the world bans teams for doing that. Fifa and the Olympics committee bans team if there is any political interference from the government. So yes, ultimately I agree with you. ICC test league is farcical.

Icc is free to ban India if it wants.And no neither FIFA nor IOC forces any country to play another if they dont want.Many countries have refused to face Israeli athletes. Whole countries boycotted the Moscow and the Los Angeles olympics.

 

[Hermoine Green]

What if they meet in knockouts or final of this league... or there is nothing like that in this Test League

Technically it won't be a bilateral match at Lords, so India won't have an issue playing with us I hope you clearly know that how BCCI and GOI twist their moral values and rules e.t.c e.t.c when they have to play with us in ICC event.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Surprisingly, our Najam Sethi sahab don't know about this system )

 

[Rana]

If ICC do not enforce India to play Pakistan fairly by the rules, we can safely say that ICC would be shooting itself in the foot. Open the door for one team to object playing another, and then you can expect other countries also deciding to play cold wars against each other in the future

 

[Mamoon]

I am not a fan of politicizing sport, but both boards/governments are guilty of it. The PCB is all Mr. Goody Two-Shoes these days, but let's not forget that it has plenty of times backed out of series due to politics, especially in the 90's.

The Government of India are well within their rights to ban bilateral cricket with Pakistan. It is not right, but it is their decision. Furthermore, the reason why they play Pakistan in ICC events has been explained already.

India gives Pakistan a hiding in ICC tournaments 99 times out of 100, and forfeiting these games will give Pakistan free points which they will most likely not earn otherwise.

The ball is in PCB's court now - it is time of them to find alternatives and overcome their obsession of playing India, instead of going to BCCI every month with a begging bowl.

The humiliation that the PCB is facing today is completely self-inflicted thanks to poor administration over the last few decades. Hopefully Najam Sethi - who is one of the better Chairmans we have had - will bring some credibility to the PCB. However, he seems to have inherited the obsession of playing India from his predecessors.

 

[TalhaSyed]

We will not act according to how Pakistan wants us to act.You dont like it.GOI doesnt care.

We dont play bilateral series pcb doesnt make money from us.

We dont forfeit matches in icc events, pakistan doesnt get 2 easy points.

The point is not to give Pcb any easy free meals.

Hello old friend.

Yea the GOI’s objective is to not engage with people who they claim are responsible for the loss of Indian lives....unless there’s a sporting trophy at stake - in which case the Indian lives come second

 

[kingusama92]

The point is not to give Pcb any easy free meals.

Looked pretty easy to me last June.

 

[www787]

Hypocrisy of Indian team will be exposed once they are slated to meet us in knockout or final of the championship (if both end up being matched against each other)...if BCCI/Indian Govt/Indian team is so principled in their stance to not play Pak, then I expect them to walk away from the said game!

Haha, start calling them hypocrites now, they will play.

 

[Hitman]

The GOI simply doesn't want the PCB to do well, ethics isn't an issue. India will play Pakistan when a Tournament is at sake, they won't let it go. All these moral talk is rubbish!

 

[Tusker]

Hello old friend.

Yea the GOI’s objective is to not engage with people who they claim are responsible for the loss of Indian lives....unless there’s a sporting trophy at stake - in which case the Indian lives come second

Fair point. Cannot disagree with this. Hopefully the Indian Govt. will address this hypocrisy.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Looked pretty easy to me last June.

11-0 at the World Cups says it was a flash in the pan performance.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hello old friend.

Yea the GOI’s objective is to not engage with people who they claim are responsible for the loss of Indian lives....unless there’s a sporting trophy at stake - in which case the Indian lives come second

Hello Talha

Hope you are doing fine old friend.

Objective is to not give them easy money or easy points.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Hello Talha

Hope you are doing fine old friend.

Objective is to not give them easy money or easy points.

GOI doesn't agree with this statement. They always talk about political issues, border issues bala bala. That's the objective which is told by GOI to the world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

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GOI doesn't agree with this statement. They always talk about political issues, border issues bala bala. That's the objective which is told by GOI to the world.

That is the reason not the objective.

 

[Monsee]

11-0 at the World Cups says it was a flash in the pan performance.

One day of life as a Lion better than 10-11 days like India LOL

Works for me just fine and that mauling was definitely the worst ever in any ICC final, period especially considering the standings of the teams!

 

[Monsee]

That is the reason not the objective.

Baghal mein Churree, Munh mein raam raam comes to mind based on your excuses for their behavior!

 

[zn426]

We will not act according to how Pakistan wants us to act.You dont like it.GOI doesnt care.

We dont play bilateral series pcb doesnt make money from us.

We dont forfeit matches in icc events, pakistan doesnt get 2 easy points.

The point is not to give Pcb any easy free meals.

If India is so bold, if they truly do not want Pakistan to prosper, then they should just pass sanctions banning trade and any business with Pakistan and be done with it. At least be honest about it, you cowards. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If India is so bold, if they truly do not want Pakistan to prosper, then they should just pass sanctions banning trade and any business with Pakistan and be done with it. At least be honest about it, you cowards. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

Unfortunately we are restricted by the WTO treaty.Your name calling betrays your frustration that there is nothing you can do about the Indian boycott.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Baghal mein Churree, Munh mein raam raam comes to mind based on your excuses for their behavior!

Do you know what this means?Or since it has the words Ram you think its appropriate to throw it on Indians?

There is no excuse.GOI is very open, no bilateral sporting events with Pakistan.Its as blunt as it can be.

 

[cricketjoshila]

One day of life as a Lion better than 10-11 days like India LOL

Works for me just fine and that mauling was definitely the worst ever in any ICC final, period especially considering the standings of the teams!

11 days of life as a lion across 25 years is far better than 1 day of Pakistan.

Works for me just fine.Since its definatelt the 3rd placed tournament in ICCs top 3 tournaments and something India has won twice and reached the finals 4 times its fine.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

We will not act according to how Pakistan wants us to act.You dont like it.GOI doesnt care.

We dont play bilateral series pcb doesnt make money from us.

We dont forfeit matches in icc events, pakistan doesnt get 2 easy points.

The point is not to give Pcb any easy free meals.

if thats the rationality of an Indian then that is insane, you dont want to play us then dont that includes icc tournaments..

The truth is that had games in Pak never been suspended Pak board by now would have been the second strongest in the world, we will never know what actually happened that day when the unfortunate SL team were ambushed. Was it a state or states that were responsible, considering how hell bent the Indians are that foreign teams do not play in Pak i have my conspiracy theories.

PAK CRICKET HAS SURVIVED, THAT CT17 FINAL WAS AWESOME....

 

[Blitz]

Icc is free to ban India if it wants.And no neither FIFA nor IOC forces any country to play another if they dont want.Many countries have refused to face Israeli athletes. Whole countries boycotted the Moscow and the Los Angeles olympics.

The policy is ban. But those teams all forfeited the points to dodge bans or just didn't attend.

India seems to be the only team that can dodge Pakistan and not concede points.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The policy is ban. But those teams all forfeited the points to dodge bans or just didn't attend.

India seems to be the only team that can dodge Pakistan and not concede points.

Teams are free to arrange bilateral series.There no series scheduled that india is dodging.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Hello Talha

Hope you are doing fine old friend.

Objective is to not give them easy money or easy points.

All good man thanks - how about you?

Ah Ok - so when there is money or points at stake for a sporting competition then the Indian lives do not matter?

So the stance is "As long as we are not giving PCB money or points in a sporting competition we will not play against them since they represent people who supposedly took innocent Indian lives. However, if it means that the PCB will get some money money or points in a sporting competition, then we can forget about the innocent Indian lives and engage with the supposed terrorists", clearly making money and points more important than innocent Indian lives....

 

[the Great Khan]

I think we should simply not turn up on the day of the final citing some cockamamie excuse. The Test league is a farce anyway and will probably die after a few matches.

India has a policy since 2008 to ensure that the PCB does not benefit from any income due to involvement with the Indian team. We all know this except Najam who thinks Aman ki asha is still ongoing.