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Will Inzamam-ul-Haq finally serve justice to players like Fawad Alam and Sadaf Hussain?

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Who else can realize the importance of having a solid middle order batsman other than Inzamam himself? We’ve not had anyone even come close to filling his shoes, someone who allows other to bat around him. Fawad Alam is someone who should’ve been made a regular due to his ability to rotate strike and play an anchor’s role. I am not going to go into stats and averages, as several threads have been published on the unjust he has received.

The question is: can we finally expect him to receive a call now that Inzamam, a former middle order great, has been made the chief selector? Will Fawad Alam finally get a chance to cement his place while he still has few years left to perform?

Another player who should’ve at least given a chance just on the back of his domestic performances is Sadaf Hussain. Again, several threads have published on his stats and averages, but again, the question: Can we expect him to finally receive justice?
 
Obviously Fawad is not in the same league as Inzi, but players like Babar and Fawad need to play for pakistan..
 
Who else can realize the importance of having a solid middle order batsman other than Inzamam himself? We’ve not had anyone even come close to filling his shoes, someone who allows other to bat around him. Fawad Alam is someone who should’ve been made a regular due to his ability to rotate strike and play an anchor’s role. I am not going to go into stats and averages, as several threads have been published on the unjust he has received.

The question is: can we finally expect him to receive a call now that Inzamam, a former middle order great, has been made the chief selector? Will Fawad Alam finally get a chance to cement his place while he still has few years left to perform?

Another player who should’ve at least given a chance just on the back of his domestic performances is Sadaf Hussain. Again, several threads have published on his stats and averages, but again, the question: Can we expect him to finally receive justice?

Someone has to tell inzi about sadaf hussain [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] bro can you let inzi know that cheeta sadaf has consistently taking wickets...


I know stats are not important to him but his stats are enough to merit his selection in any one of squad of pakistan club

I mean people get injured all the time in pakistan :D
 
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Fawad might be selected in the upcoming seasons but mark my words, Sadaf would never be selected as long as this same system remains. I am so disappointed that a lad who takes wickets left, right and center cannot even break into the top domestic teams for the last 15-18 squads ???

I SERIOUSLY MEAN WHAT THE HECK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Someone has to tell inzi about sadaf hussain [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] bro can you let inzi know that cheeta sadaf has consistently taking wickets...


I know stats are not important to him but his stats are enough to merit his selection in any one of squad of pakistan club

I mean people get injured all the time in pakistan :D

Stats should also be considered in selection. Otherwise there is no incentive in playing first class and performing .
 
Fawad might be selected in the upcoming seasons but mark my words, Sadaf would never be selected as long as this same system remains. I am so disappointed that a lad who takes wickets left, right and center cannot even break into the top domestic teams for the last 15-18 squads ???

I SERIOUSLY MEAN WHAT THE HECK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fawad is lucky, he will miss the tough tours and then will be selected and will get two to three years of flat pitches against Sri Lanka to establish his career.
 
Fawad is lucky, he will miss the tough tours and then will be selected and will get two to three years of flat pitches against Sri Lanka to establish his career.


That luck is reserved for players like Malik, Shahzad and Akmals.

Differnce is Fawad performs even after being thrown around while above category players dont perform keep on playing on "potential" for 10+ years.
 
Thankfully he has said that scorecards aren't the only criteria for selection.

So that pretty much shuts out Fawad lol :fawad
 
I still can't forget the Fawad horror show against OZ in ODI series in UAE. He was sussed out within 3 overs.
 
Huh?

He just said yesterday that selection won't be based on blind stats and spreadsheets.

That rules out Fawad, Sadaf Hussain and a few others who are domestic bullies but don't have the skills to not only survive but dominate and compete well in international cricket.

Based on statsguru searches you can't select Fawad in t20s or ODIs etc.

Emotional thread.
 
Huh?

He just said yesterday that selection won't be based on blind stats and spreadsheets.

That rules out Fawad, Sadaf Hussain and a few others who are domestic bullies but don't have the skills to not only survive but dominate and compete well in international cricket.

Based on statsguru searches you can't select Fawad in t20s or ODIs etc.

Emotional thread.

What are 'blind stats'? as compared to what? 'eagle eyed stats'? '20-20 stats'?
if you have to turn your argument into a tautology then you are not really saying anything at all.

I am always amused when people drag out the old - 'cricket is not played on paper' rhetoric. stats is simply another word for results, in other words, performance, that has been recorded.

performance need not be the only basis for selection, but who is really arguing that it should be disregarded?

i hate to point out the obvious, but you only become a domestic bully if you do well at home and fail overseas. sadaf has not yet been given a chance to play overseas.

What skill is he missing to your mind? He swings the ball both ways, gets bounce, has uncommon control of line and length. And most important of all, takes wickets.

You think he doesn't have some mystical mojo to succeed, fine. But you really think it is a bad idea to test out the best LA bowler in domestics for 3-4 years running?

What would it cost? Is the team world beating right now? Beyond Amir, what current, to borrow a phrase, 'dominating' bowler currently plying their trade in the national side, would loose their berth to Sadaf?
 
Fawad is a must in Tests for the England and Australia tour, but he is too old fashioned for ODIs. Sadaf Hussain stands no chance now.
 
From what I read on Twitter

he wants "matchwinners"

Which means we likely still see the likes of Afridi/Shahzad

Even though Shahzad isn't a match winner but for some stupid reason people assume he's an aggressive batsman when he's totally the opposite.
 
From what I read on Twitter

he wants "matchwinners"

Which means we likely still see the likes of Afridi/Shahzad

Even though Shahzad isn't a match winner but for some stupid reason people assume he's an aggressive batsman when he's totally the opposite.

His English isn't as good as ramiz' maybe he means consistent players




Rao and Rana played with Inzi Sadaf will be a shoe in
Fawad needsto go rehab if Sharyar khan and Inzi want him onside
 
Huh?

He just said yesterday that selection won't be based on blind stats and spreadsheets.

That rules out Fawad, Sadaf Hussain and a few others who are domestic bullies but don't have the skills to not only survive but dominate and compete well in international cricket.

Based on statsguru searches you can't select Fawad in t20s or ODIs etc.

Emotional thread.
Sometimes the stats are (too) blind for your liking to ignore them.

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Do you know why Sadaf Hussain is not part of this list ?

Because he hasn't bowled 2500 plus Balls in List A cricket and has only bowled 1736 balls.


Otherwise his SR in list A is 22.5. The best in the history of Pakistan Domestic Cricket.

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Ignoring Sadaf Hussain for Pentangular Cup, Pakistan Cup and Pakistan A squad is lack of Justice.


Dare to tell me one thing.


Sadaf Hussain's last List A involvement with Pakistan A came 2,3 years ago on UAE wickets where he took 8 wickets in 3 matches. The highest from Pakistan side.


If you select a left arm medium fast 6'4 fast bowler for dead UAE wickets and he takes 8 wickets in 3 matches in June July weather and takes most number of wickets than does this effort require him to be dropped from next Pakistan A assignment and assignments for next 3 years despite him giving consistent domestic performances ?


How many tours Umar Amin, Shan Masood, Imran Farhat, Khurram Manzoor & Rahat Ali did with Pakistan A in last 10 years ? How many times they were part of Pakistan A squad against visiting teams ?

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Fawad Alam has a SR of 74 in odi cricket.


Anything below 80 is not at all acceptable.


He is good against Spinners. Milks them well and rotates strike beautifully. While against pacers he is not good enough. The ball Abass bowled him is exactly the ball every right arm pacer should bowl him around the wicket. The result will be dot ball or Lbw or bowled. Nothing else. He gets entangled and trapped at this delivery. Australians bowled this channel aswell and he could not save his life to score a single.

Due to this he cannot bat at 3 or 4.

He is too slow for number 5 or number 6. He has not got the release shot. Even Misbah who used to hit huge sixes won how many matches for Pakistan with that 45 odd odi average ? ?

Question is do we want inferior version of Misbah to replace Misbah in Odi team ? What fruits will this move bear ?


Fawad must be part of Test squad. On UAE wickets he can perform better than Asad Shafique & Misbah and will average 50 plus on UAE wickets if given a long run. And he deserves to be in test squad on merit alone. And already he was part of test squad on last two test tours.


Should go to with Pakistan A squad and if he gives optimum performances than he should make the test tour aswell.
 
Fawad Alam has a SR of 74 in odi cricket.


Anything below 80 is not at all acceptable.


He is good against Spinners. Milks them well and rotates strike beautifully. While against pacers he is not good enough. The ball Abass bowled him is exactly the ball every right arm pacer should bowl him around the wicket. The result will be dot ball or Lbw or bowled. Nothing else. He gets entangled and trapped at this delivery. Australians bowled this channel aswell and he could not save his life to score a single.

Due to this he cannot bat at 3 or 4.

He is too slow for number 5 or number 6. He has not got the release shot. Even Misbah who used to hit huge sixes won how many matches for Pakistan with that 45 odd odi average ? ?

Question is do we want inferior version of Misbah to replace Misbah in Odi team ? What fruits will this move bear ?


Fawad must be part of Test squad. On UAE wickets he can perform better than Asad Shafique & Misbah and will average 50 plus on UAE wickets if given a long run. And he deserves to be in test squad on merit alone. And already he was part of test squad on last two test tours.


Should go to with Pakistan A squad and if he gives optimum performances than he should make the test tour aswell.

For UAE he is fine in tests but outside of subcontinent he may struggle.
 
Hahah surely there is better than fawad than, how about Umar Amin?
Can't say anything about him.

Hope he does very well in England for Pakistan A if he rightly gets picked.

Very simple easy technique, shots all around the wicket, good on horizontal shots aswell.


Issues :

1. In which situation which shots are on and which shots are not on ?

2. Selection of release shot.

3. Sudden lack of concentration resulting in soft dismissal.



Hope he became tops scorer last season after working on these things.



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Can't say anything about him.

Hope he does very well in England for Pakistan A if he rightly gets picked.

Very simple easy technique, shots all around the wicket, good on horizontal shots aswell.


Issues :

1. In which situation which shots are on and which shots are not on ?

2. Selection of release shot.

3. Sudden lack of concentration resulting in soft dismissal.



Hope he became tops scorer last season after working on these things.



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Good analysis, I think he deserves a chance. We need to see if he has learnt or not.
 
What are 'blind stats'? as compared to what? 'eagle eyed stats'? '20-20 stats'?
if you have to turn your argument into a tautology then you are not really saying anything at all.

I am always amused when people drag out the old - 'cricket is not played on paper' rhetoric. stats is simply another word for results, in other words, performance, that has been recorded.

performance need not be the only basis for selection, but who is really arguing that it should be disregarded?

i hate to point out the obvious, but you only become a domestic bully if you do well at home and fail overseas. sadaf has not yet been given a chance to play overseas.

What skill is he missing to your mind? He swings the ball both ways, gets bounce, has uncommon control of line and length. And most important of all, takes wickets.

You think he doesn't have some mystical mojo to succeed, fine. But you really think it is a bad idea to test out the best LA bowler in domestics for 3-4 years running?

What would it cost? Is the team world beating right now? Beyond Amir, what current, to borrow a phrase, 'dominating' bowler currently plying their trade in the national side, would loose their berth to Sadaf?
Couldn't agree more.
People disregaed stats as stats put objectivity into things. People develop opinions. There are some players they like and some they can't stand. When any stat points out something they don't like, they just start calling stats 'blind'.
 
Sometimes the stats are (too) blind for your liking

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Ignoring Sadaf Hussain for Pentangular Cup, Pakistan Cup and Pakistan A squad is lack of Justice.

Yaar, I never disagreed with that statement. He needs to play some high profile domestic tournaments, so that we can see how he really is.

And also get noticed by selectors as it seems like nobody rates him. But he should play on TV to get noticed.
 
Couldn't agree more.
People disregaed stats as stats put objectivity into things. People develop opinions. There are some players they like and some they can't stand. When any stat points out something they don't like, they just start calling stats 'blind'.

No. Stats alone don't mean much.

If there's a high quality good potential player with ability, he'll be rated high even if he has average domestic stats.

That's what Inzi thinks and that's how cricket selection is done all over the world. Not based statsguru search. You watch the player, what sort of shots are in his aresnal, what's his release shot, can he play off-side, plays with straight bat, static feet or not.

That decides selection.
 
No. Stats alone don't mean much.

If there's a high quality good potential player with ability, he'll be rated high even if he has average domestic stats.

That's what Inzi thinks and that's how cricket selection is done all over the world. Not based statsguru search. You watch the player, what sort of shots are in his aresnal, what's his release shot, can he play off-side, plays with straight bat, static feet or not.

That decides selection.
Watching alone without stats and judging potential doesn't mean much either. Stats don't lie over a long run. You can't disregard years of performance by watching the player once and then judging that the player won't perform on big stage. Nobody is a perfect judge of talent. Plus, stats aren't just overall average and SR of a player. Everything a player does, everything that makes up a player can be judged by stats. One has to dig up deeper. See how a player does on different wickets, against different attacks, in different conditions etc.
 
Yaar, I never disagreed with that statement. He needs to play some high profile domestic tournaments, so that we can see how he really is.

And also get noticed by selectors as it seems like nobody rates him. But he should play on TV to get noticed.
There are also many players who played for Pakistan without fans seeing them on television.

Performance is the criteria for selection.


Who rated him when he was sent to the tour of Westindies ?

If selectors did not rate him than what pushed his selection ? Coach ? Captain ?

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Watching alone without stats and judging potential doesn't mean much either. Stats don't lie over a long run. You can't disregard years of performance by watching the player once and then judging that the player won't perform on big stage. Nobody is a perfect judge of talent. Plus, stats aren't just overall average and SR of a player. Everything a player does, everything that makes up a player can be judged by stats. One has to dig up deeper. See how a player does on different wickets, against different attacks, in different conditions etc.

Domestic stats often lie (in case of PAK, poor pitches etc), and international stats if less than 50 matches can also lie.

Decent domestic stats (don't have to be great) with good actual potential by watching a player is the best combo.
 
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There are also many players who played for Pakistan without fans seeing them on television.

Performance is the criteria for selection.


Who rated him when he was sent to the tour of Westindies ?

If selectors did not rate him than what pushed his selection ? Coach ? Captain ?

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Fans need to watch to voice their opinion, but it's not the criteria to get selected.

I'm talking about selectors watching him play. Have they seen him bowl ? If they have, why don't they rate him? And if Inzi etc. see him bowl on television, his case will get strong for selection if he's good.
 
Domestic stats often lie, and international stats if less than 50 matches can also lie.

Decent domestic stats (don't have to be great) with good actual potential by watching a player is the best combo.
Often is an overstatement. In most cases, doemstic stats corelate to international onea.
 
Often is an overstatement. In most cases, doemstic stats corelate to international onea.

I edited the often bit to include more detail, but they can and have lied in a lot of cases when it comes to PAk domestic scene.

The pitches, balls being used, quality of batters/bowlers, fielders, planning isn't good enough to judge based on stats alone.
 
I edited the often bit to include more detail, but they can and have lied in a lot of cases when it comes to PAk domestic scene.

The pitches, balls being used, quality of batters/bowlers, fielders, planning isn't good enough to judge based on stats alone.
Then there is a problem with 'watching' bit too. Is one match or two matches enough to judge a player by watching? If one has to judge a player, watch him in different conditions, against different attacks, in different situations. Watch him in at least 15-20 games in different scenarios. They will relate closely with stats in that case. If you watch one or two games, that is not enough obviously.
 
Then there is a problem with 'watching' bit too. Is one match or two matches enough to judge a player by watching? If one has to judge a player, watch him in different conditions, against different attacks, in different situations. Watch him in at least 15-20 games in different scenarios. They will relate closely with stats in that case. If you watch one or two games, that is not enough obviously.

One or two match may not be enough, but gives an idea who to look out for. Sample size reduction.
 
One or two match may not be enough, but gives an idea who to look out for. Sample size reduction.
Sorry that's the biggest flaw in watching bit. You can simply watch a good player on a bad day or vice versa and misjudge a player.
 
I don't think Inzamam has in him to understand statistics, he won't look at the past records, and may select players who will not be much suited to certain formats, just because one or two good performances from some players will impress him, despite their overall not so impressive records in a certain format.
 
Fawad Alam has a SR of 74 in odi cricket.


Anything below 80 is not at all acceptable.
Feel stats are sometimes misleading with Fawad. A lot of the time when he scores slowly it's because the rest of our batting line up have collapsed and Fawad's trying to last the 50 overs. There are evidences of that before (especially considering he did well in both England and Australia which is impressive as the vast majority failed), but let's take it since his comeback in 2014.

Take 2014. Averaged 69, SR 77.35 with a century, two half centuries. That is phenomenal for a guy making his return. His sizeable contributions were made at a good strike rate. The century was in the asia cup final which is extremely impressive, unfortunately we didn't win but that was the fault of the top order and some poor bowling (some of the bowlers not all) as well as Sri Lanka playing well. Was at a Strike rate of 85 which was good especially since the guys above him played badly and scored far slower. His two half centuries were made at a SR of over 100.

With Fawad (as I've done a thread before), when he scores big a lot of his scores are at good strike rates. He also often scores big when the rest don't.

Now look at the sizeable contributions at a poor strike rate in 2014. A 38 not out SR 52. Looks a bad innings? With context, you'd realise he was top scorer when are entire team was routed for 102. And he remained not out. Not his fault.

Again look at the 20 against Australia. The two openers did well, the rest did rubbish, routing us for 215. Fawad again remained not out. 7 of our wickets fell in the space of around 50 runs. Again hard to blame him, was left with no support, the guys below him in the batting getting out for single figures.

in 2015 did rubbish, averaged 6 at a SR 52. Most of our guys had a bad series though, it was a horror tour for us, we were expected to win in Bangladesh and got thrashed soundly.

What is clear to me is firstly Fawad scores runs consistently. Has done it through his career. He scores in/against tough opposition did it in England and Australia, and often scores when the rest have failed. What he doesn't do however is rescue a collapsing team by scoring bulk of the runs and quickly. Which is a hard ask really none of the others do either. He also tends to grit it out if things aren't going well, hence the slower strike rate and the not out/last wicket to go. A lot of our other guys will simply go for it, and slog/play aggressively. This usually leads them to getting out or sometimes (pretty rarely) producing a masterclass late order hitting innings (Afridi, Umar Akmal, Razzaq do this sometimes).

Fawad should be batting higher up the order too, not at 6 and definitely not at 7. 3, 4 or 5. He'll score quicker too up the order as is able to rotate strike and pick up singles better than most. He isn't a guy too do late hitting however. Due to our team I admit not sure he's necessarily the right guy to be picked anymore. Hafeez and Babar seem to have 3 and 4 locked down, and Malik has cemented his place. Only spots available is 5/6 (depending where Malik bats) and 7 (which Fawad could not work). And we might go for someone there who is more aggressive e.g. umar akmal given the rest of the batsmen in the team are mostly steadier players and lack of late order hitter atm. People should compare Fawad's strike rates and performance against others playing in the same matches, they'd be surprised. Still think it's a bit of disgrace how Fawad's been dropped when others playing in the team have fared worse.
 
Feel stats are sometimes misleading with Fawad. A lot of the time when he scores slowly it's because the rest of our batting line up have collapsed and Fawad's trying to last the 50 overs. There are evidences of that before (especially considering he did well in both England and Australia which is impressive as the vast majority failed), but let's take it since his comeback in 2014.

Take 2014. Averaged 69, SR 77.35 with a century, two half centuries. That is phenomenal for a guy making his return. His sizeable contributions were made at a good strike rate. The century was in the asia cup final which is extremely impressive, unfortunately we didn't win but that was the fault of the top order and some poor bowling (some of the bowlers not all) as well as Sri Lanka playing well. Was at a Strike rate of 85 which was good especially since the guys above him played badly and scored far slower. His two half centuries were made at a SR of over 100.

With Fawad (as I've done a thread before), when he scores big a lot of his scores are at good strike rates. He also often scores big when the rest don't.

Now look at the sizeable contributions at a poor strike rate in 2014. A 38 not out SR 52. Looks a bad innings? With context, you'd realise he was top scorer when are entire team was routed for 102. And he remained not out. Not his fault.

Again look at the 20 against Australia. The two openers did well, the rest did rubbish, routing us for 215. Fawad again remained not out. 7 of our wickets fell in the space of around 50 runs. Again hard to blame him, was left with no support, the guys below him in the batting getting out for single figures.

in 2015 did rubbish, averaged 6 at a SR 52. Most of our guys had a bad series though, it was a horror tour for us, we were expected to win in Bangladesh and got thrashed soundly.

What is clear to me is firstly Fawad scores runs consistently. Has done it through his career. He scores in/against tough opposition did it in England and Australia, and often scores when the rest have failed. What he doesn't do however is rescue a collapsing team by scoring bulk of the runs and quickly. Which is a hard ask really none of the others do either. He also tends to grit it out if things aren't going well, hence the slower strike rate and the not out/last wicket to go. A lot of our other guys will simply go for it, and slog/play aggressively. This usually leads them to getting out or sometimes (pretty rarely) producing a masterclass late order hitting innings (Afridi, Umar Akmal, Razzaq do this sometimes).

Fawad should be batting higher up the order too, not at 6 and definitely not at 7. 3, 4 or 5. He'll score quicker too up the order as is able to rotate strike and pick up singles better than most. He isn't a guy too do late hitting however. Due to our team I admit not sure he's necessarily the right guy to be picked anymore. Hafeez and Babar seem to have 3 and 4 locked down, and Malik has cemented his place. Only spots available is 5/6 (depending where Malik bats) and 7 (which Fawad could not work). And we might go for someone there who is more aggressive e.g. umar akmal given the rest of the batsmen in the team are mostly steadier players and lack of late order hitter atm. People should compare Fawad's strike rates and performance against others playing in the same matches, they'd be surprised. Still think it's a bit of disgrace how Fawad's been dropped when others playing in the team have fared worse.
I agree with most part of your post.

If Malik gets one or two bad series than fawad can be given a go at number 5.


With fawad there is a thing which no other Pakistani domestic or international cricketer is, his extreme love for staying on the wicket. He loves batting to its core. But


When the Aussies took five fielders in the ring and bowled good length deliveries on off stump or 4th stump bringing it back into him it all got very embarrassing. He was neither able to take singles, nor was he getting out and in the process the team suffered. Before that game in his international cricket he used to rotate strike at will but once Aussies subjected him to fast medium bowlers with 5 men inside the circle he was trapped.

Even when he tries to use the long handle in last part of his innings he tries only 1 shot, slog through midwicket with closed eyes and head going nowhere.


So if he can improve his game than he can become a better player. The ball which Abbass bowled him yesterday is the ideal ball against him but in years gone by his weaknesses were never exploited and his immense love for batting and not throwing his wicket away always helped him pile consistent runs unlike any other Pakistani international or domestic player.


Another thing is that he has been very ugly yet effective in most of his innings wrt his average at international cricket but just because he looks ugly he hasn't been preferred by many Pakistani captains, which is unfortunate and sad.


In current limited overs cricket if you want to be in top 4 odi teams than you can only have 2 steady batsman in your line up who play percentage and low risk cricket in the mold of Kane Williamson. But look at him, his Strike Rate is 84 in odi cricket and he plays least airy fairy or high risk shots.


If you see Pakistan players wrt steady cricket than look at Strike Rates of Fawad, Shafique, Malik, Younis & Misbah in the same era as examples of steady batsman.

Malik is reasonable but considering UAE and Subcontinent and against subcontinent teams or the Zim's having lots of spinners bowling between 15 to 40 overs mark. Otherwise his SR also drops against fast medium or fast bowlers and average & SR drops significantly.

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I request Injamam to include Fawad and Sadaf in playing 11 for at least 6 to 7 tests in a row. I am pretty hopeful that the big man will be convinced and impressed with them.
 
I agree with most part of your post.

If Malik gets one or two bad series than fawad can be given a go at number 5.


With fawad there is a thing which no other Pakistani domestic or international cricketer is, his extreme love for staying on the wicket. He loves batting to its core. But


When the Aussies took five fielders in the ring and bowled good length deliveries on off stump or 4th stump bringing it back into him it all got very embarrassing. He was neither able to take singles, nor was he getting out and in the process the team suffered. Before that game in his international cricket he used to rotate strike at will but once Aussies subjected him to fast medium bowlers with 5 men inside the circle he was trapped.

Even when he tries to use the long handle in last part of his innings he tries only 1 shot, slog through midwicket with closed eyes and head going nowhere.

I like the way Fawad sticks to the crease. It shows fight. Stick it in, get set and then attempt to up the run rate and make a match. Recently especially what we do is see we are behind, then go out slogging, guns blazing and get out. As I said however rarely is it that Fawad is plodding along slowly while the rest are scoring quick trying to make up for Fawad.

It was a bad series for Fawad, but still was just one bad series. He could have adapted/learnt from that experience. And not many of his team mates did well either. Could have said the opposite when he did decent in Australia, unlike his team mates who were woefully exposed.
 
I request Injamam to include Fawad and Sadaf in playing 11 for at least 6 to 7 tests in a row. I am pretty hopeful that the big man will be convinced and impressed with them.

Inzamam does not even know that Sadaf Hussain exists in pakistans domestic cricket

As for fawad alam, he needs to perform in this tournament

Someone has to tell inzi about sadaf hussain who has been ignored by selectors and only then something can be done
 
Sorry that's the biggest flaw in watching bit. You can simply watch a good player on a bad day or vice versa and misjudge a player.

well thats to an eye who hasnt played cricket professionally. They would misjudge a good player on a bad day.

Someone who knows his cricket, himself has played cricket professionally, can spot good talent even when they are in bad form. You see it through.

I have seen players been selected on first ball ducks, because the way they approached the delivery. The selector could see that only a batsmen would good technique would have nicked that delivery. The rest would have missed it by a mile.

Whatever your line of work is, I am sure you would be able to spot a good piece of work or a talent, even if you see it on their bad day, as you are the subject matter expert on it
 
well thats to an eye who hasnt played cricket professionally. They would misjudge a good player on a bad day.

Someone who knows his cricket, himself has played cricket professionally, can spot good talent even when they are in bad form. You see it through.

I have seen players been selected on first ball ducks, because the way they approached the delivery. The selector could see that only a batsmen would good technique would have nicked that delivery. The rest would have missed it by a mile.

Whatever your line of work is, I am sure you would be able to spot a good piece of work or a talent, even if you see it on their bad day, as you are the subject matter expert on it
They can spot orthodox method by that manner. Not what the player can actually do. It's the effectiveness that matters. I don't care if a batsman dances on the pitch. If he is productive, he is good enough. Similarly, I don't care if a batsman has textbook technique. If he doesn't make it count, he is not good enough. The obsession with aesthetics has led to Asad Shafiq getting selected for that many ODIs.
 
Let Fawad open in ODIs and #3 in tests. Most of Pakistanis can play bright breezy innings, so need someone who could stay
 
They can spot orthodox method by that manner. Not what the player can actually do. It's the effectiveness that matters. I don't care if a batsman dances on the pitch. If he is productive, he is good enough. Similarly, I don't care if a batsman has textbook technique. If he doesn't make it count, he is not good enough. The obsession with aesthetics has led to Asad Shafiq getting selected for that many ODIs.

my dear friend it isnt aesthetics :). you speak to the players you talk the game you understand the thought process. my example was on the technical aspect. The buck doesnt stop there. IF technique was be all and end all, then Inzamam himself would not had made the cut as he isnt technically right either.

The process that isnt highlighted in the media is that these selectors meet the players, or the coaches who speak to these players days in an out speak to selectors etc, the thought process their mind sets is relayed back to the selectors. That all counts on what his thought process was, what sense did he make of his innings, his approach, his application etc. Its like a job a career.... yes Pakistan doesnt have the professionalism or mapped processes per se, but principles are the same.

I have been through these myself during the u19 days and trust me every player feels that he has been hard done by when not selected and not many players have the balls enough or it is prudent enough to come up on media and say hey I am not good enough to be selected a that is shooting yourself and kissing your career goodbye.

Would you ever say in your job, sorry mate not good enough forget me. No, you will always talk about appraisals, performance, development plans so you are in contention.

Not everything is reported in the media. Not everything should be reported in the media.

The problem is with Pakistani fans, do not believe in heirarchy or let people do their jobs. England cricket suffered on low talent, low resources and shabby cricket since 1994 to 2005 (9 years) despite having more financial resources, headcounts, skill sets, strong management team etc.

The tabloid press wrote them off, but the fans were smart enough to support, yes there were calls for heads from some corners, but those were in the minority.

Does a pakistani fan have the patience of 9 years??????? I can bet they dont have patience for 9 matches. They will start yelling corruption, nepotism, lack of professionalism (all the buzz words)... change everything and then reinvent the wheel again, yet not have patience to see the result through.

Pakistan cricket has performed when there are no changes or pressure from fans or media

1) Imran khan era (he said no to media, no to fans whatever was suggested to him)
2) Inzamam era, (shoaib akhtar should be selected, f off, Ill get rana naved and rao iftikhar and get the job done, if he doesnt play quietly - people blame religion and he himself does it, but look up South Africa tour and the nightmae he created with his attitude and celeb antics)
3) misbah era (didnt play to the fans, goes about with his methodology his plans, he delivered in tests - Was going ok in ODIs - but ridiculous pressure to retire and we are number 8. Good god, atleast in his time we were number 5 ot 6 which was better than being 8 or 9

I dont give two hoots if sadaf is not selected or fawad alam is not selected or selected, if selectors have selected a team, I am going to support that, I wont meddle into their work and throw my opinion out in the public, try to dissuade other people and get them onto my bandwagon, pressurising them to do something that they dont believe in.

Yes as a fan, I can source talent, I can find players - look at [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]. The chap does great work in finding players out of nowhere, that is a resource help. He is sourcing players out. His job isnt selection.

SO sometimes mate, you got to give yourself time. give at least 3 years if not 9, to see the results and compare to where you were!.

If in 4 years Inzamam, Azhar, Misbah and Sarfaraz alogn with the new coach, give us even 2 ranks above our current position (from 8 to 6) in 3 years, I believe we have made solid progress.

Just at bl**dy 4 years half of the fans would have a heart attack, so hope they do and stop supporting Pakistan
 
Can someone please ask Inzi to send Sadaf to replace Wahab?Any of our journalists?

You must really hate Sadaf to be making such a request. Sadaf won't swing the ball and at his pace, the South Africans will ravage him. It will be painful to watch and the end of Sadaf Hussain.
 
You must really hate Sadaf to be making such a request. Sadaf won't swing the ball and at his pace, the South Africans will ravage him. It will be painful to watch and the end of Sadaf Hussain.

At least the lad has a working brain, something Riaz does not even remotely posses......
 
It's amazing how Pakistani fans want mediocrity replaced with more mediocrity. Fawad Alam and Sadaf Hussain are past. Look for future. Sadaf's pace is even worse than that Abbas guy.don't understand fascination with him.
 
Sadaf is 10 times the bowler Wahab will ever be.

Sadaf, Sohail Khan, Amir should be our attack moving forward.

Fawad would be a big improvement over someone like Hafeez or Imad. I rate him higher than Babar Azam as a batsman even (electric fielding and bowling would be bonus), given his low dot ball percentage and being mentally strong
 
It's amazing how Pakistani fans want mediocrity replaced with more mediocrity. Fawad Alam and Sadaf Hussain are past. Look for future. Sadaf's pace is even worse than that Abbas guy.don't understand fascination with him.

I dont know why we are so much into pace. Wahab was going upto 148 Kph but we all know the end result. If Sadaf would have played how much worse he could have performed than breaking the most runs conceded by a bowler in champions trophy match record.

Sadaf atleast deserves a look considering his track record in first class. If he can bowl well with the new ball, we can have him finish his overs by over number 30.
 
Also Sadaf is pretty tall like 6ft 4 or 6ft 6 which will give a variety to our short heighten bowling attack, and we all have seen that once you come into national side a lot of work goes into you and like Hassan Ali who was at most bowling 135 in the start of his career is now going upto 140 kph.
I am just saying that with the record of that guy at his age, there must be something really wrong with him to never be looked at. He was first selected along with Mohammad Rizwan in the debut series of junaid khan in West Indies and was dropped without even playing a match.
 
Also Sadaf is pretty tall like 6ft 4 or 6ft 6 which will give a variety to our short heighten bowling attack, and we all have seen that once you come into national side a lot of work goes into you and like Hassan Ali who was at most bowling 135 in the start of his career is now going upto 140 kph.
I am just saying that with the record of that guy at his age, there must be something really wrong with him to never be looked at. He was first selected along with Mohammad Rizwan in the debut series of junaid khan in West Indies and was dropped without even playing a match.

And the worst part is that none of the journalists even ask about him when they interview the selectors!He is still 27 yearss!!
 
And the worst part is that none of the journalists even ask about him when they interview the selectors!He is still 27 yearss!!

Journalists are also involved in this drama. Media channels are supporting different players who leaks to them important info.. Secondly journos know Inzamam can't go against a top member of governing board backing a player in the XI.
Fawad Alam fansshould understand that he is history, when Shoaib Malik [backed by an important political entity] was pushed into the side in 2014. Malik and Umar Akmal were settled in the side by sheer political backing which meant players to be removed. Even Afridi understood that and asked for U. Akmal knowing his strong backing. Alam still has a career ahead of him he should play in South Africa, Australian or County Leagues. If he makes up to their national XI [which I doubt] it would be great reply to the political corruption of the Pcb.
 
my dear friend it isnt aesthetics :). you speak to the players you talk the game you understand the thought process. my example was on the technical aspect. The buck doesnt stop there. IF technique was be all and end all, then Inzamam himself would not had made the cut as he isnt technically right either.

The process that isnt highlighted in the media is that these selectors meet the players, or the coaches who speak to these players days in an out speak to selectors etc, the thought process their mind sets is relayed back to the selectors. That all counts on what his thought process was, what sense did he make of his innings, his approach, his application etc. Its like a job a career.... yes Pakistan doesnt have the professionalism or mapped processes per se, but principles are the same.

I have been through these myself during the u19 days and trust me every player feels that he has been hard done by when not selected and not many players have the balls enough or it is prudent enough to come up on media and say hey I am not good enough to be selected a that is shooting yourself and kissing your career goodbye.

Would you ever say in your job, sorry mate not good enough forget me. No, you will always talk about appraisals, performance, development plans so you are in contention.

Not everything is reported in the media. Not everything should be reported in the media.

The problem is with Pakistani fans, do not believe in heirarchy or let people do their jobs. England cricket suffered on low talent, low resources and shabby cricket since 1994 to 2005 (9 years) despite having more financial resources, headcounts, skill sets, strong management team etc.

The tabloid press wrote them off, but the fans were smart enough to support, yes there were calls for heads from some corners, but those were in the minority.

Does a pakistani fan have the patience of 9 years??????? I can bet they dont have patience for 9 matches. They will start yelling corruption, nepotism, lack of professionalism (all the buzz words)... change everything and then reinvent the wheel again, yet not have patience to see the result through.

Pakistan cricket has performed when there are no changes or pressure from fans or media

1) Imran khan era (he said no to media, no to fans whatever was suggested to him)
2) Inzamam era, (shoaib akhtar should be selected, f off, Ill get rana naved and rao iftikhar and get the job done, if he doesnt play quietly - people blame religion and he himself does it, but look up South Africa tour and the nightmae he created with his attitude and celeb antics)
3) misbah era (didnt play to the fans, goes about with his methodology his plans, he delivered in tests - Was going ok in ODIs - but ridiculous pressure to retire and we are number 8. Good god, atleast in his time we were number 5 ot 6 which was better than being 8 or 9

I dont give two hoots if sadaf is not selected or fawad alam is not selected or selected, if selectors have selected a team, I am going to support that, I wont meddle into their work and throw my opinion out in the public, try to dissuade other people and get them onto my bandwagon, pressurising them to do something that they dont believe in.

Yes as a fan, I can source talent, I can find players - look at [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]. The chap does great work in finding players out of nowhere, that is a resource help. He is sourcing players out. His job isnt selection.

SO sometimes mate, you got to give yourself time. give at least 3 years if not 9, to see the results and compare to where you were!.

If in 4 years Inzamam, Azhar, Misbah and Sarfaraz alogn with the new coach, give us even 2 ranks above our current position (from 8 to 6) in 3 years, I believe we have made solid progress.

Just at bl**dy 4 years half of the fans would have a heart attack, so hope they do and stop supporting Pakistan


The media should be reporting on a lot more. It is perfectly appropriate that the wider public takes interest
in governmental corruption. Such as when a personal feud with a senior official leads to the PCB discarding
a player they have themselves selected for the national team. Please inform yourself before ranting. Look up
Sadaf, Shakeel Sheikh. Then stop ranting.
 
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It's amazing how Pakistani fans want mediocrity replaced with more mediocrity. Fawad Alam and Sadaf Hussain are past. Look for future. Sadaf's pace is even worse than that Abbas guy.don't understand fascination with him.

And we don't understand you, quite frankly. What is about an 18 ave in LOIs that is so mystical to you?
Why do you pretend that you even know what pace Sadaf bowls at?
 
Yes yes. Fawad would have chased down 260 in 40 overs yesterday, and Sadaf would have been on top of Kohli. Please Inzamam, bring these two into the team so that our fortunes change.
 
Yes yes. Fawad would have chased down 260 in 40 overs yesterday, and Sadaf would have been on top of Kohli. Please Inzamam, bring these two into the team so that our fortunes change.

Ya. We should vociferously quash calls to base selection on performance. Meritocracy is so 2016.

And since we can't know 100 % for sure whether new talent will be any better than old, we should
never select any new players.

I can't wait for Rahat to come back.
 
Yes yes. Fawad would have chased down 260 in 40 overs yesterday, and Sadaf would have been on top of Kohli. Please Inzamam, bring these two into the team so that our fortunes change.

Sadaf might not have been on top of Kohli but I can guarantee one thing that he would have been a better prospect after playing almost 80 ODIs than Wahab Riaz is.
 
At least the lad has a working brain, something Riaz does not even remotely posses......

How do you know that he has a good brain or better than Wahab? His snail pace bowling would have made him vulnerable and could have gone for well over 100 runs
 
How do you know that he has a good brain or better than Wahab? His snail pace bowling would have made him vulnerable and could have gone for well over 100 runs

I am not gonna spoon feed you fast bowling semantics on PP right now, but anyone who've seen both Sadaf and Wahab bowl will testify that there's a gulf of difference between the two. You are free to believe whatever you want however people often fail to realize is that some of us are actually from Pakistan and in my case have been following cricket for nearly two decades.

Wahab is the inferior bowler and it's not even a contest by any stretch of imagination.
 
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