Correct yourself first ace! In post 391 you mention Tamils on a Khailstan forum. Why when it is not the debate here? Not being chosen does not mean not having an opinion! I am not the one crying don't express your views if you are not from that community! Even outsiders are allowed to do so like you as a Tamil are on Khalistan.
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Nobody said don't express your views. Don't make incorrect assumptions is what I said. Tamilians do not have a black or white opinion about their treatment by northern Indians. There are a lot of disagreements but difference of opinion doesn't mean resorting to armed conflict. There are more reasonable ways to deal with things. Do not conflate Lankan tamils with tamilian from tamil nadu. Two different groups of people.
My assumptions are correct that many Tamils do feel hard done by Northern Indians. My knowledge is also from the history classes that I took at school. Now what you really mean is many Indian's are not happy with each other due to political injustice and even racism. I think the Lankan ones have penetrated that is a different subject altogether. I don't want to hijack a Khalistan forum here. Yes you are wrongly implying that as a Pakistani and Punjabi I should not speak on Tamils!
You yourself construed that last statement. I just said your assumptions are not accurate so stop assuming incorrectly. You can post as much as you want.
Once more. As in post 391 don't bring Tamil's on a Punjabi thread. If you do then a reply will be forthcoming.
I know that Sikh's once ruled parts of Pak and what the Mughal's did to the Sikh's. Is that what you are talking about? I don't need to ask any Sikh from your mentioned city's to know about the Khalistan issue. I ain't cheering for nothing rather have always maintained that Sikh's who want Khalistan should go to India and fight for it from there. This is what Quaid Jinnah did when Allama Iqbal told him to fight for Pakistan independence from British India, not London. Sikh's protesting in Canada, America or the UK will not get them anywhere because if their new state ever becomes a reality it will so by pulling apart from India.
For the record I have many Sikh pal's on my Facebook who I regularly communicate with. Sikhism has many similarities with Islam like we have with the Jews and Catholics. There is no fundamentalism going on here other then the RSS thugs on India.
Hmm, so your Facebook interaction with at max 10 people with some roots in Punjab trump millions of actual Punjabis in actual Punjab?
What's the mother tongue in pakistani Punjab? It's Punjabi right. We would like to have the glorious capital of ours Lahore back. All religions will be treated equally under khalistan with capital in Lahore.
No I am afraid you can't ever get Lahore until the Mughal/Muslim empire again rules both Punjab's!! That way all Punjabi's can live like one big happy family under Muslim rule like you do in UAE, Malaysia etcHmm, so your Facebook interaction with at max 10 people with some roots in Punjab trump millions of actual Punjabis in actual Punjab?
What's the mother tongue in pakistani Punjab? It's Punjabi right. We would like to have the glorious capital of ours Lahore back. All religions will be treated equally under khalistan with capital in Lahore.
So I said that most Sikh's who want Khalistan are sitting abroad. You disagreeing suggests most of them are residing in Indian Punjab! I will have to take your word for it! Do you know all Indian Punajbis now that they have elected you to speak for them?
I am an Indian Punjabi from bathinda. Anyways, you didn't get my point. Changing goal posts is hardly fun and delay is there since my posts are still being moderated it seems on this forum.No I am afraid you can't ever get Lahore until the Mughal/Muslim empire again rules both Punjab's!! That way all Punjabi's can live like one big happy family under Muslim rule like you do in UAE, Malaysia etc
Perhaps because you have no point to make. All posts here are monitored. Once more stay on topic. I know as much about Tamils as you do. Being an Indian does not mean you have better knowledge on this subject.
I have been brought and bought in Punjab.. Punjabi is my culture and my mother tongue.
And I have studied in Chennai for 5 years of my college .. so I guess my personal experiences easily trump "your assumed knowledge" on these two cultures.
What are the odds? Haha
You mean your online experiences not "personal" ones you are talking about!!!I have been brought and bought in Punjab.. Punjabi is my culture and my mother tongue.
And I have studied in Chennai for 5 years of my college .. so I guess my personal experiences easily trump "your assumed knowledge" on these two cultures.
What are the odds? Haha
So I am a native Punjabi speaker as well, then what??. I have visited and lived in Pak for a long period and know plenty of Sikhs. With Indian people it is like "how many Sikhs do you know?" only then is your opinion valid
I may know ten compared to your 100 still does not mean you know better. I would like to meet the teachers who taught you in any educational institution
I have visited every province in Pak as well unlike your Punjab centric mindset.
I live and breathe Punjabi dude, seriously your level condescension is laughable.You mean your online experiences not "personal" ones you are talking about!!!
I have visited every province in Pak as well unlike your Punjab centric mindset.
Literally, only you are expert at everything and anything and as I said you are master of changing goal posts. You have just proven my previous statement .
Topic is Punjab and khalistan.. I don't come around preaching that I know sentiments of Pakistanis better than an actual pakistani . But u seem to be an expert of both pakistan and india it seems .. bravo
No more smilies!!I live and breathe Punjabi dude, seriously your level condescension is laughable.
Literally, only you are expert at everything and anything and as I said you are master of changing goal posts. You have just proven my previous statement .
Topic is Punjab and khalistan.. I don't come around preaching that I know sentiments of Pakistanis better than an actual pakistani . But u seem to be an expert of both pakistan and india it seems .. bravo
How can you live and breathe Punjab for heaven sake!! What on earth is that supposed to mean and what is your definition of being a Punjabi? What is this justification of Punjabiat you are on about here?? Stop embarrassing yourself for heaven sake!! Now I have said most Khalistan supporters people live outside India then what is that you disagree with. I am the goalkeeper so the posts are mine, happy??
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Hindutvas own literature described Sikhs as the fighting arm of Hindus. In which case the question has to be asked, are Sikhs actually Hindus in reality?
Say What? Why did you quote this post after so many days..LOL.
Not sure which literature is that but no Hindu follow literature blindly. We try to use common sense and open for reforms if need arise. Sikh's are our brothers, always has and forever will be. We don't see them differently from a regular Brahmin Hindu, irrespective of whatever literature says.
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So why are they not Hindus then?
Khalistan can only be formed if India faces a major war against Pak or China. From the ashes a Khalistan may come it to existence from the current Indian Punjab. Some people here who consider themselves more Punjabi then our Bulleh Shah will start screaming now!. I wonder what the criteria of being a proper Punjabi is ?.
Sikhism is distinct from Hinduism. It's wrong to say that we are a branch. It takes the best preaching of both Islam and Hinduism and avoids the ills of both religions.
There is no caste system which is kinda founding principle of hinduism, neither is Sikhism a monotheistic like Islam but follows pantheism which is a little different but some Hindu scriptures go into pantheism . No untouchability, actually no discrimination. All equals means all equals, no separate fictional clauses with endless caveats but still claiming that cannot be adhered on ground.
There are no ills in Islam at all. It is the most perfect system ever known to man with the Prophet(SAW) being the greatest man who ever lived. Muslim's can be wrong but Islam can never be that, impossible!.
I think you view the world as black and white. It isn't. Atleast for India it isn't. That's why we can be allies with Arab world and be enemies with Pak. We can ally with Iran and Saudi and also with Israel. We ally with Russia and also USA. We have a 100+ bil trade with China despite a huge deficit and also have Taiwan open semi conductor shops in India. Our diplomacy does wonders. Indians don't have stakes in Palestine despite the rhetoric online. Infact our political parties are split between Israel and Palestine just to maintain that ambiguity.
One thing you seem to misunderstand is Kashmir ain't Palestine. There is no international support for Kashmiris. They aren't a different country and they don't have weapons. We cleansed Kashmir already of whatever little resistance they had. You overestimate China and that doesn't surprise me. We don't. We perfectly know their capabilities and know when to go on offensive and when to back down. We have enough military power to maintain status quo and damage China.
Khalistan terrorism was dangerous when it was in India. That ship has sailed. Now it's just some drug peddlers abroad. Canada is a small fish. We don't want any Canadians in India. India and Chinese have used demographic dividend to get our students get educated. If not Canada, students will study in Europe or Japan or USA. There are plenty of options. That would destroy the higher education system in Canada as Indian students fund the system. Trudeau now has resorted to begging others for support and it doesn't put a dent on India in anyway. As far as India's neighbors go, with due respect, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Myanmar are all small fish. No body takes countries seriously that aren't economically empowered. China is a formidable opponent with more enemies surrounding their borders than us. Chinese neighbors are infact more formidable than India's neighbors and most of them are Indian allies.
There is no wrong side or right side of history. Pakistan allied with USA during USA's peak and allied with a China during China's peak. But see the economic condition of Pakistan now. Instead, it's about making strategic alliances and economy. As far as economy goes, India would never bankrupt itself like the Chinese are doing to themselves. India will continue to grow economically, politically, diplomatically and will continue to be a big market for consumer goods. That's where the power lies.
If we can have calm peaceful discourse I won't mind sharing and discussing the life and teachings of Guru Nanak ji, and all the Gurus.
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Religion not having caste doesn’t mean Sikhs don’t have castes, no one has propagated casteism in India like Sikhs have esp the Jatts , the most brutal attacks against dalits are by Sikh Jatts, hell in UK even today they have different Gurudwaras in many areas.
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There’s a India Sikh boy mid 20s at my work place who got the UK visa marrying a eastern European girl many years ago pre Brexit. He dislikes India and wants separation from old me about Khalistan. At work I seen him really mixed, hangs around with Pakistanis never talks to South Indians at my work place. Maybe the lingo plus a part they speak punjabi.
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It all sounds so impressive, then you see pictures of life in India and it stll looks like most other third world countries in the east. In fact a lot worse than many.
Not at all the world is a very complex place with many war's taking place now, all of them connected. Pak does not look at the world through Indian eyes at all. You can be pal's with whoever you want. We have our group as well that includes Turkey and China. It is not that Pak will only befriend a country that is on bad terms with India for we are not as half obsessed with you then vice versa. In Indian politics everything happens around Pak. There are some pro Palestinian Indian's but why and large right wing Indians are now even offering to fight for Israel!
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Why certainly Kashmir is linked to Palestine! Both are under occupation by Zionists who in Pakistan have a common enemy. The Kashmir issue is very much a UN problem make no mistake about this. It is due to Pak's internal political mess that it has been put on the back burner. If Kashmiris have no weapons that who has been killing so many Indian soldiers over the years and why does India not allow access to UN officials?. Had you cleansed anything a million soldiers would not be oppressing the people in IoK. For your information if two or more parties lay claim to anything then it is indeed disputed. If China gets involved then Indian soldiers will be runnng back to Delhi in no time! One thing is that China will only get involved if it benefits them and not to please Pak.
Rather Canadian's would not want to live in a third world country like India! The opposite direction is much busier with millions of Indian people seeking to work and live in Canada. Off course your students have the option to study elsewhere yet that in no ways negates that Canada and India are having a major diplomatic row. Now Pak is also telling the world we said that India sponsors terrorism abroad. All this has just taken a back seat since the Hamas-Israel war started...in no way does this mean all is good and well. I agree that Pak is economically struggling neither can we fill any vacuum left by India. This is partly coz India is ten times the bigger country or something. In Russia and Pak for starters even some Gulf countries China has enough support too. Soon China will be going after Taiwan followed by India not coz they love Pak! I guarantee you that!
Sure Pak has made historical mistakes that are to be corrected. What was right in the 1970's is not right today. More then anything else since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan we have suffered terribly then 9/11 harmed us even more. What we need to do is remain neutral on all war's particularly in the Gulf. China is a superpower already not a future one bankrupt or not.
Have you seen the south side of United States in cities? Have you seen west and central China? There will always be poverty. What you need to understand is, the averag per capita income of the top 50 million Indians. They are the market. They are comparable to South Korea which has a similar population. 600 million Indians are just kids and old people. They don't work. 250 to 300 million Indians work in agriculture. That's half the work force that contributes to just 15 to 18 percent of the gdp. They will be poor or lower middle class mostly. Their fortunes will never change based on the reluctance to new farm laws. So, India will be a power based on the increase in per capita income of the top 50 million and the movement of another 70 million into this category over the next couple of decades. Currently only 2 percent pay taxes and the idea is to push about 10 to 20 percent of the workforce to this category. That would make 70 to 120 million Indians making 30k+USD in ppp terms per year. This is the third largest market for discretionary goods in the world. This will feed the rest of the country through taxes, through consumer spending. GOI has been pushing for infra spending massively in the last decade and that will only increase. This will provide jobs to the low skilled. The puzzle that India hasn't solved yet is how to employ underskilled in low cost manufacturing. That ship has sailed. So onus is on low skilled services.
The fallacy in your argument stems from the belief that UN is relevant. It's not anymore. It can't do anything. Kashmir issue is dead for Indians and the rest of the world. That includes majority Muslim Arab countries. Infact UAE is one of the biggest investors on Kashmir development.
As far as china goes, it has hit it's peak. The way countries grow is by increasing their gdp which also gives them a leverage to rake in debt.
The way to increase your gdp is through govt spending on infra, consumer spending, exports. China raked in 20+ trillion dollar debt based on its gdp of close to 20 trillion. 30 percent of their gdp is through massive construction it undertook and that industry is in doldrums.
All these bullet trains and dead cities ain't making a single penny of profit. That's why they tried to engage construction outside of China through belt and road etc. Millions of consumers lost their shirts in the dead real estate and they have no where to go. Largest real estate companies are bankrupt.
They stopped spending. Their lockdowns didn't help either. China even stopped publishing it's youth unemployment numbers because they are extremely high. Many industries have left China due to geo political issues and also the costs. China isn't cheap anymore. They aren't coming back.
Add to this the tariffs countries are adding to Chinese exports. That's most of the facets of what makes the gdp. The unspoken contract of imposing communistic beliefs on people was the growth in economy and prosperity. Now that's going down the drain. So how does a communist party satiate the hunger of people? It's to war monger and engage public in that rhetoric.
China knows it's going to be too expensive to even go for Taiwan. That's why it ain't moving yet. It will be untenable to come to India. So this will be limited to sorties and minor encroachments here and there which India is fine with.
Now coming to India, as it's economy grows it can happily print and rake in debt like the Chinese or the Americans. The debt will equal the gdp per year. If the American dollar goes down the drain, then India is already prepared because it's part of Brics and will trade in rupees.
If the American dollar is still valid, it will trade in a combination of dollars and rupees as a favor to Americans. This is how games are played through economy and currency. The rest of the rhetoric including kashmir is just noise.
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Well that's basically just backing up what I said. Most people still live third world lives in third world conditions in Bharat. We could make a similar argument about how fantastic Karachi or Islamabad is, but the truth of it is that the majority of the country still has third world infrastructure and poor living standards similar to Bharat.
That's a misunderstanding. 120 million good jobs means around 4 to 500 million people living a good life because of family structures. Infrastructure in India has improved leaps and bounds compared to just the last decade. India won't look like USA. It will look like Israel. However it will be a developed country in 25 years if this growth is maintained. It also means half the population will be under social security net. It is a burden but inevitable. As long as people have access to shelter, water, food, healthcare, education it's enough. Water issue has been mostly solved. Shelter is being taken care of, roads and transportation has doubled in the last decade compared to last 50 years. Healthcare is an issue and investments are being made. Education is trash currently and needs massive investments. Food and nutrition is another challenge where people aren't going hungry but don't have enough nutrition. These challenges will be tackled with investments and debt while India grows. As I said, it will look like Israel but not a Dubai
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Popular Punjabi rapper Shubhneet Singh has asked people to stop spreading "hate and negativity" after a controversy broke out over a hoodie he held up at a concert in London.
Some Indian social media users claimed the hoodie had imagery supporting the Sikh separatist movement.
The Canada-based singer said a fan threw it at him and he did not see what was on it before displaying it.
The issue of Sikh separatism is a sensitive topic in India.
The rapper - known to fans as Shubh - has been in controversies earlier as well over the issue.
In September, his India tour was cancelled after a row over an old social media post where he had shared an incorrect map of India. He was accused of supporting the demand for Khalistan, or a separate Sikh homeland - which had led to a violent insurgency in India in the 1980s. At the time, he had asked his critics to "refrain from naming every Punjabi as a separatist or anti-national".
That row occurred soon after ties deteriorated between Delhi and Ottawa - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his country was investigating the potential involvement of Indian government agents in the murder of a Sikh leader in Canada, an allegation India angrily denied.
Canada has the largest population of Sikhs outside India's Punjab state, and is home to popular Punjabi diaspora musicians such as Shubh.
The recent controversy began after Shubh's weekend concert in London - videos that began circulating on X (formerly Twitter) show him picking up a black hoodie from the floor and holding it up to the audience.
Critics said the hoodie showed the map of Punjab, along with a drawing of India's former prime minister Indira Gandhi being shot dead.
Gandhi was assassinated by her Sikh bodyguards in 1984, months after the Indian army stormed Sikhism's holiest shrine in Amritsar to flush out militants.
It's difficult to clearly establish the image on the hoodie from the hazy videos that are currently online.
On Tuesday, the rapper put up a statement as an Instagram story, where he said that "a lot of clothes, jewellery and phones were thrown at me by the audience at my first show in London".
"I was there to perform, not to see what got thrown at me and what is on it," he added.
He has received support from fans who have shared videos from his other shows, where he can be seen picking up items thrown on the stage and displaying them to the audience.
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Some Indian social media users claimed the hoodie had imagery supporting the Sikh separatist movement.
The Canada-based singer said a fan threw it at him and he did not see what was on it before displaying it.
The issue of Sikh separatism is a sensitive topic in India.
The rapper - known to fans as Shubh - has been in controversies earlier as well over the issue.
In September, his India tour was cancelled after a row over an old social media post where he had shared an incorrect map of India. He was accused of supporting the demand for Khalistan, or a separate Sikh homeland - which had led to a violent insurgency in India in the 1980s. At the time, he had asked his critics to "refrain from naming every Punjabi as a separatist or anti-national".
That row occurred soon after ties deteriorated between Delhi and Ottawa - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his country was investigating the potential involvement of Indian government agents in the murder of a Sikh leader in Canada, an allegation India angrily denied.
Canada has the largest population of Sikhs outside India's Punjab state, and is home to popular Punjabi diaspora musicians such as Shubh.
The recent controversy began after Shubh's weekend concert in London - videos that began circulating on X (formerly Twitter) show him picking up a black hoodie from the floor and holding it up to the audience.
Critics said the hoodie showed the map of Punjab, along with a drawing of India's former prime minister Indira Gandhi being shot dead.
Gandhi was assassinated by her Sikh bodyguards in 1984, months after the Indian army stormed Sikhism's holiest shrine in Amritsar to flush out militants.
It's difficult to clearly establish the image on the hoodie from the hazy videos that are currently online.
On Tuesday, the rapper put up a statement as an Instagram story, where he said that "a lot of clothes, jewellery and phones were thrown at me by the audience at my first show in London".
"I was there to perform, not to see what got thrown at me and what is on it," he added.
He has received support from fans who have shared videos from his other shows, where he can be seen picking up items thrown on the stage and displaying them to the audience.
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Pro-Khalistan Sikhs are in action.
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A major security breach was reported from Dibrugarh Central Jail in Assam where separatist leader and "Waris Punjab De" chief Amritpal Singh and his nine associates are currently lodged.
A spy camera, a smartphone, a keypad phone, pen drives, Bluetooth headphones and speakers, a smartwatch, and several other things were recovered today from the cell where the separatist leader and his nine associates were kept.
Taking to X, Assam top cop GP Singh said, "Reference NSA detenues at Dibrugarh Jail, Assam - On receipt of information about unauthorised activities taking place in NSA cell, additional CCTV cameras were installed in the public area of NSA Block. Inputs received confirmed unauthorised activities, based on which jail staff searched the premise of NSA Cell early this morning, leading to the recovery of a smartphone with SIM, a keypad phone, TV remote with keyboard, spy-cam pen, pen drives, Bluetooth headphones, and speakers and smart watch which were lawfully seized by the jail staff. The source of these unauthorised articles and the mode of induction is being ascertained. Further lawful action is being taken and steps being taken to prevent recurrence."
On April 23, 2023, Amritpal Singh was brought to the Dibrugarh Central Jail after the Punjab Police arrested him from the state's Moga district after several weeks of manhunt.
The radical Sikh preacher was charged under the stringent National Security Act, or NSA. His nine associates have also been charged under the NSA.
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A spy camera, a smartphone, a keypad phone, pen drives, Bluetooth headphones and speakers, a smartwatch, and several other things were recovered today from the cell where the separatist leader and his nine associates were kept.
Taking to X, Assam top cop GP Singh said, "Reference NSA detenues at Dibrugarh Jail, Assam - On receipt of information about unauthorised activities taking place in NSA cell, additional CCTV cameras were installed in the public area of NSA Block. Inputs received confirmed unauthorised activities, based on which jail staff searched the premise of NSA Cell early this morning, leading to the recovery of a smartphone with SIM, a keypad phone, TV remote with keyboard, spy-cam pen, pen drives, Bluetooth headphones, and speakers and smart watch which were lawfully seized by the jail staff. The source of these unauthorised articles and the mode of induction is being ascertained. Further lawful action is being taken and steps being taken to prevent recurrence."
On April 23, 2023, Amritpal Singh was brought to the Dibrugarh Central Jail after the Punjab Police arrested him from the state's Moga district after several weeks of manhunt.
The radical Sikh preacher was charged under the stringent National Security Act, or NSA. His nine associates have also been charged under the NSA.
NDTV
Spy Cam, Phones In Separatist Leader Amritpal Singh's Cell In Major Assam Jail Breach
A major security breach was reported from Dibrugarh Central Jail in Assam where separatist leader and "Waris Punjab De" chief Amritpal Singh and his nine associates are currently lodged.
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India should stop oppressing the Sikh community in India.
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This i agree with, we need to give empty land to Sikhs asap.
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applies to balochistan also and Pashtunistan.
Pak should get out of balochistan and stop pretending durand line is legitimate.
Two can play the same game.
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The Khalistan movement has taken a few steps ahead now since one of the prominent names of the Khalistan Movement got murdered in Canada.
But getting independence is not something that looked likely to be achieved.
But getting independence is not something that looked likely to be achieved.
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They can have their Khalistan in Canada. Why are Canadians bothering Indians with what Canadians want.
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Why doesn't the Indian government give them a province named 'Khalistan'? It would be a much better option compared to independence.
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Why will India give anything to Canadians?
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what about those who are living in India from centuries?
I have spent considerable amount of time in Punjab(while i was working in Chandigarh for 5 years and handling a wider territories which involved frequent travel in those areas).
I can assure you that i have never came across a single Khalistan sympathizer during my countless interactions with locals(since i am into banking sales). They are proud of their heritage, culture and customs(even the non-sikhs). This is a bit off topic sharing my experience but they would want you to learn their way if you're an outsider but wouldn't discriminate. Atleast i haven't faced any especially having a Bihari background ( we have a terrible reputation outside our state).
So why would Central govt give a state or province as you called it, to appease maybe 1 percent of total population which will add fuel to those Canadian, British or US Khalistani advocates? Also i have noticed these random Khalistani flags or tshirts with Khalistani leaders faces appear only during some protests etc as in present case of Farmers protest. Maybe to get attention of media or irritate authorities or to blackmail Govt( Fulfill our demands or we'll go Khalistan way).
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Hopefully, it happens soon. And then anyone who wants to live in Khalistan can move there, and live happily ever after,
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Some young freaks started so-called Khalistan movement that too in Canada, nothing in India…… IMO they won’t have heard “operation Bluestar” … when they heard/read about it, they will dispersed like rats
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What with them?
Khalistan movement is dead in India. Except a few fringe supporters they have nothing.
Its more a movement in Canada UK Australia etc.
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And you'll be amazed how ill-informed these f00ls can be.
Many Canadian Khalistanies think that it is the RSS that was responsible for the killing of Sikhs in 1984. It was in fact, the RSS that actually saved many Sikh families from Congress thugs back then.
Even that clown Jagmeet Singh believes this. It's weird how clueless propaganda can make people.
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Dude
Let it go, even the Khalistanis know, even if empty land was formed their survival is not possible due to the lack of; land routes, sea routes or airspace.
They get paid by the Chinese/Pakistanis to do a bit of bhangra here and there to cause issue for India, that is all there is to it.
Khalistanis know it is our ammayi Sonya's party that butchered the Sikhs, we all know what is happening, its all a game just play, and enjoy..
Freedom for Empty Land,, Zindabadd!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol
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There's a bigger chance of Pakistan being in delusional, empty dreams of an independent Kashmir, Khalistan and Nagaland lolDude
Let it go, even the Khalistanis know, even if empty land was formed their survival is not possible due to the lack of; land routes, sea routes or airspace.
They get paid by the Chinese/Pakistanis to do a bit of bhangra here and there to cause issue for India, that is all there is to it.
Khalistanis know it is our ammayi Sonya's party that butchered the Sikhs, we all know what is happening, its all a game just play, and enjoy..
Freedom for Empty Land,, Zindabadd!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No you do not have the wisdom to understand my points. No matter what the UN says or thinks it does not really matter to Pak. We use this as a bargaining tool in front of the world to tell them "this is the history of this dispute so don't call us terrorists". Can India end Pak interference in IoK? I don't think so otherwise would not have so many soldiers stationed there.
We are not depending on any Arab country when it comes to IoK. Hell, those guys don't even care about Palestinians then why would they do so about Pak? I don't know why you are telling me about bullet trains and GDP even though I know your economy is doing much better then ours.
Now you are going way off topic for sure. Kashmir is a fact as I speak and will remain so until the people are granted their wishes whatever they may be. I am sure you have noticed the situation has greatly changed all over the world since i last wrote and will continue to do so. Now I ain't saying that all Kashmiris if any want to be a part of Pak but most do not want to be a part of India.
Now the dragon China ain't gonna help us in anyway unless it benefits them. It just happens that liberating IoK from the Indian yolk is also very important for them. Cheap or not the China can fight and will do so when the hour comes, they do not have all those weapons for Eid or Diwali neither do they celebrate these festivities. You buy things to use them. The rest of your comments are just self glorification of your country.
As for Khalistan it can only be formed if there is a civil war situation in India like when Pak was formed. This Indian astrologer on youtube by the name off Nishant Bhardwaj believes Khalistan will be formed in Canada where there are 770,000 Sikhs. Indian's do not understand anything about how wars are fought nowadays. More then at the border they are fought within the country, 6th or 7th generation war as they call it. Indian people need to listen to the likes of Ashok Swain and Pravin Sawhney.
. Indian's do not understand anything about how wars are fought nowadays. More then at the border they are fought within the country, 6th or 7th generation war as they call it. Indian people need to listen to the likes of Ashok Swain and Pravin Sawhney.
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Terrorist Jarnail Bhindranwala Poster At Assam Dhaba, Owner Arrested
The Assam police arrested the owner of a dhaba in the state's Bongaigaon district for putting up posters of Khalistani leaders and flags.
The roadside eatery owned by one Gurmukh Singh had put up a banner of terrorist Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala. A poster of singer-politician Sidhu Moose Wala, who was shot dead in 2022, and a Khalistani flag were also put up.
The members of the BJP's youth wing informed the police about the posters following which the dhaba's owner was arrested, sources said.
Gurmukh Singh is from Punjab's Tarn Taran district and has been in Assam for years now, sources in the police said.
"We suspect that he displayed the posters at his dhaba to attract truck drivers, a significant number of whom are from Punjab. Otherwise, it would be irrational for him to put up such material," another police official said.
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The Assam police arrested the owner of a dhaba in the state's Bongaigaon district for putting up posters of Khalistani leaders and flags.
The roadside eatery owned by one Gurmukh Singh had put up a banner of terrorist Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala. A poster of singer-politician Sidhu Moose Wala, who was shot dead in 2022, and a Khalistani flag were also put up.
The members of the BJP's youth wing informed the police about the posters following which the dhaba's owner was arrested, sources said.
Gurmukh Singh is from Punjab's Tarn Taran district and has been in Assam for years now, sources in the police said.
"We suspect that he displayed the posters at his dhaba to attract truck drivers, a significant number of whom are from Punjab. Otherwise, it would be irrational for him to put up such material," another police official said.
Terrorist Jarnail Bhindranwala Poster At Assam Dhaba, Owner Arrested
The Assam police arrested the owner of a dhaba in the state's Bongaigaon district for putting up posters of Khalistani leaders and flags.
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Ideologies cannot be suppressed by oppression.
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According to Pew, 93 % of Indian Sikhs , associate very strongly with the Indian state.
Not sure why this has to be reiterated every now and then.
The percentages are bound to be higher in Canada and the UK maybe .
But at least in India, a call for a separate Sikh homeland is still dead .
Not sure why this has to be reiterated every now and then.
The percentages are bound to be higher in Canada and the UK maybe .
But at least in India, a call for a separate Sikh homeland is still dead .
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It died a long time ago. Funniest bit is that a lot of Pakistanis haven't lost hope and are still flogging the dead horse.
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Many sikhs lost their family members in wars with pakistan and still remember the stories of the horrors of partition from thier elders so they don't really have the best opinion of our neighbors
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At this point, I would say the movement is on part with the Texas secession movement in the States or the Yorkshire secession movement in the UK. I'm sure there are a few diehards who go about obsessing about each of these individual movements but none of them are relevant outside obscure message boards.
Ironically it was the current Indian government (or idiot representatives) who brought some limelight to the issue again by pursuing ill thought out ham-handed attempts to assassinate those irrelevant firebrands.
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Has Empty Land gotten independence yet ?
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Things have changed since then, they view Pakistan more favorably now and some even rate that above Indians.
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No they don't lol, how many indian sikhs have you spoken to
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Let alone observe guys like Yuvi and Bhaji, you will get the idea.
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I don't get it, both bhajji and yuvi are very patriotic. Bhajji even trolled Pakistan after the moon landing which I thought was silly.
Anyway, there are millions of indian sikhs and 2 celebs don't mean a thing
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Hope both you and me will be able to visit Khalistan in Canada in 20 years from now.
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Bumrah Dhawan gill are also Sikh just saying lol
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The answer to OP is NO.
Few hundred years from now, who knows what the world will be like. Maybe the national boundaries are created on what you identify as and we have a nation of people who identify as camels.
Few hundred years from now, who knows what the world will be like. Maybe the national boundaries are created on what you identify as and we have a nation of people who identify as camels.
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I think dhawan is not a sikh, he is a punjabi just like Kohli.
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are punjabis not sikhs
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Nope Dhawan is Sikh .
Married in Sikh tradition in 2012.
Shikhar Dhawan and Ayesha Mukherjee's marriage ended on nasty notes
Shikhar Dhawan and Ayesha Mukherjee were the heartthrobs of social media. Cricket fans were much more interested in cricketers’ private lives and reels than cricket.
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I’m a Punjabi and Sikh only fro one maternal grandparent, Kohli is a Punjabi but not Sikh.
There are various Punjabi Hindus..bollywood is filled them.
We do marry between each other though.. Kapil Sharma is an example that comes to mind.
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Bro I am punjabi hindu myself, look at comment I quoted which said that dhawan is a punjabi and not a sikh
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Ah ok.. but he is Sikh..based on the marriage, only reason he isnt Sikh and married via Sikhism is because his ex wife had already done the phere.
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My question to all Sikhs in India, do you remember the genocide of the Sikh community, particularly in Delhi, right after the assassination of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi? Despite that why compromise and continue living in India?
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Lok Sabha Election Results 2024: Separatist Amritpal Singh, Son Of Indira Gandhi's Assassin Win As Independents
Radical Sikh preacher Amritpal Singh and Sarabjeet Singh Khalsa, the son of one of the assassins of Indira Gandhi, are have made their maiden entry to Parliament.
Amritpal Singh won the Khadoor Sahib by a margin of 1,97,120 votes over his nearest rival and Congress candidate Kulbuir Singh Zira while Sarabjeet Singh Khalsa won in Faridkot by 70,053 over AAP's Karamjit Singh Anmol.
Both Amritpal Singh and Sarabjeet Khalsa contested the polls as Independents.
Political greenhorn and radical Sikh preacher Singh, the chief of the 'Waris Punjab De' outfit, is lodged in a jail in Assam after being slapped under the stringent National Security Act (NSA) a year ago.
His father Tarsem Singh on Tuesday thanked the Almighty and expressed gratitude to the 'sangat' (community) for their overwhelming support.
"It was the 'sangat' which fought this battle," he told PTI.
From youth to women and elderly people, everyone contributed in this election, said Singh who styled himself after dead Khalistani terrorist Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. He was arrested in Moga's Rode village on April 23 last year following an over a month-long manhunt.
Singh's father had earlier said his son was not willing to fight an electoral contest but he changed his mind at the instance of 'sangat'.
His supporters, mainly youth in the Khadoor Sahib parliamentary constituency, praised him for weaning them away from drugs and making them baptised Sikh.
Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) (Amritsar) head and Khalistan (separate Sikh homeland) sympathiser Simranjit Singh Mann extended his party's support to Singh and did not field any candidate from the Khadoor Sahib seat.
Paramjit Kaur Khalra, wife of human rights activist Jaswant Singh Khalra, led Singh's poll campaign. Paramjit Kaur Khalra had unsuccessfully contested from the Khadoor Sahib seat in the 2019 Lok Sabha polls.
However, SAD chief Sukhbir Singh Badal had asked people to evaluate if Singh had been "propped up by the central agencies".
He asked the people to determine whether a person who had acquired 'Sikhi saroop' a year earlier was fit to lead them. He also pointed out the dichotomy in Singh's earlier stand that he did not want to enter politics and was only interested in 'amrit parchar' and fighting the drug menace.
The radical Sikh preacher who styled himself after Khalistani terrorist Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, was arrested in Moga's Rode village on April 23 last year following an over a month-long manhunt.
He and his associates were booked under several criminal cases related to spreading disharmony among classes, attempt to murder, attack on police personnel and creating obstructions in the lawful discharge of duty by public servants.
The Khadoor Sahib constituency, which is known as a 'panthic' seat, has voters from all three regions -- Majha, Malwa and Doaba. It has nine assembly segments Jandiala, Tarn Taran, Khem Karan, Patti, Khadoor Sahib, Baba Bakala, Kapurthala, Sultanpur Lodhi and Zira.
Seven assembly segments are held by the AAP while one each by the Congress and an Independent.
Khalsa, the son of Beant Singh, one of the two assassins of late Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, is leading by a margin of over 60,000 votes in the Faridkot reserve parliamentary constituency against his nearest rival and AAP nominee Karamjit Singh Anmol.
Beant Singh and Satwant Singh, who were the bodyguards of the then Prime Minister, killed India Gandhi on October 31, 1984 at her residence.
"It is the 'sangat' of Faridkot which approached me to fight the polls," Khalsa had said earlier.
During the poll campaigning, Khalsa, who is based in Mohali, raised the issue of the 2015 sacrilege incidents in which the Sikh scripture Guru Granth Sahib was desecrated sparking protests and leading to the death of two anti-sacrilege protesters in Faridkot.
He also took up the issue of 'Bandi Singhs' (Sikh prisoners who completed their jail terms).
Apart from this, Khalsa raised the issues of drug menace, river water, farmers' demand for legal guarantee to minimum support price.
It was not the first time Khalsa fought elections. He had unsuccessfully fought the 2004 Lok Sabha polls from Bathinda seat on SAD (Amritsar) ticket and had polled 1.13 lakh votes. He had also unsuccessfully contested the 2007 Punjab assembly polls from Bhadaur seat in Barnala.
Khalsa had again tried his luck in the 2014 Lok Sabha polls from Fatehgarh Sahib seat on a BSP ticket but lost.
His mother Bimal Kaur was an MP from Ropar seat in 1989.
This time, Khalsa was pitted against AAP nominee and Punjabi actor Karamjit Anmol, BJP's Hans Raj Hans, Congress party's Amarjit Kaur Sahoke and SAD's Rajwinder Singh.
Faridkot Lok Sabha seat comprises nine assembly segments -- Nihal Singhwala, Bagha purana, Moga, Dharamkot, Gidderbaha, Faridkot, Kotkapura, Jaitu and Rampura Phul.
Except Gidderbaha, all eight assembly segments were represented by the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) candidates. Congress party's Amrinder Singh Raja Warring is an MLA from Gidderbaha.
In 2014, AAP nominee Sadhu Singh had won the Faridkot Lok Sabha seat while in 2019, Congress party's Mohammad Sadique won from this constituency.
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Radical Sikh preacher Amritpal Singh and Sarabjeet Singh Khalsa, the son of one of the assassins of Indira Gandhi, are have made their maiden entry to Parliament.
Amritpal Singh won the Khadoor Sahib by a margin of 1,97,120 votes over his nearest rival and Congress candidate Kulbuir Singh Zira while Sarabjeet Singh Khalsa won in Faridkot by 70,053 over AAP's Karamjit Singh Anmol.
Both Amritpal Singh and Sarabjeet Khalsa contested the polls as Independents.
Political greenhorn and radical Sikh preacher Singh, the chief of the 'Waris Punjab De' outfit, is lodged in a jail in Assam after being slapped under the stringent National Security Act (NSA) a year ago.
His father Tarsem Singh on Tuesday thanked the Almighty and expressed gratitude to the 'sangat' (community) for their overwhelming support.
"It was the 'sangat' which fought this battle," he told PTI.
From youth to women and elderly people, everyone contributed in this election, said Singh who styled himself after dead Khalistani terrorist Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. He was arrested in Moga's Rode village on April 23 last year following an over a month-long manhunt.
Singh's father had earlier said his son was not willing to fight an electoral contest but he changed his mind at the instance of 'sangat'.
His supporters, mainly youth in the Khadoor Sahib parliamentary constituency, praised him for weaning them away from drugs and making them baptised Sikh.
Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) (Amritsar) head and Khalistan (separate Sikh homeland) sympathiser Simranjit Singh Mann extended his party's support to Singh and did not field any candidate from the Khadoor Sahib seat.
Paramjit Kaur Khalra, wife of human rights activist Jaswant Singh Khalra, led Singh's poll campaign. Paramjit Kaur Khalra had unsuccessfully contested from the Khadoor Sahib seat in the 2019 Lok Sabha polls.
However, SAD chief Sukhbir Singh Badal had asked people to evaluate if Singh had been "propped up by the central agencies".
He asked the people to determine whether a person who had acquired 'Sikhi saroop' a year earlier was fit to lead them. He also pointed out the dichotomy in Singh's earlier stand that he did not want to enter politics and was only interested in 'amrit parchar' and fighting the drug menace.
The radical Sikh preacher who styled himself after Khalistani terrorist Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, was arrested in Moga's Rode village on April 23 last year following an over a month-long manhunt.
He and his associates were booked under several criminal cases related to spreading disharmony among classes, attempt to murder, attack on police personnel and creating obstructions in the lawful discharge of duty by public servants.
The Khadoor Sahib constituency, which is known as a 'panthic' seat, has voters from all three regions -- Majha, Malwa and Doaba. It has nine assembly segments Jandiala, Tarn Taran, Khem Karan, Patti, Khadoor Sahib, Baba Bakala, Kapurthala, Sultanpur Lodhi and Zira.
Seven assembly segments are held by the AAP while one each by the Congress and an Independent.
Khalsa, the son of Beant Singh, one of the two assassins of late Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, is leading by a margin of over 60,000 votes in the Faridkot reserve parliamentary constituency against his nearest rival and AAP nominee Karamjit Singh Anmol.
Beant Singh and Satwant Singh, who were the bodyguards of the then Prime Minister, killed India Gandhi on October 31, 1984 at her residence.
"It is the 'sangat' of Faridkot which approached me to fight the polls," Khalsa had said earlier.
During the poll campaigning, Khalsa, who is based in Mohali, raised the issue of the 2015 sacrilege incidents in which the Sikh scripture Guru Granth Sahib was desecrated sparking protests and leading to the death of two anti-sacrilege protesters in Faridkot.
He also took up the issue of 'Bandi Singhs' (Sikh prisoners who completed their jail terms).
Apart from this, Khalsa raised the issues of drug menace, river water, farmers' demand for legal guarantee to minimum support price.
It was not the first time Khalsa fought elections. He had unsuccessfully fought the 2004 Lok Sabha polls from Bathinda seat on SAD (Amritsar) ticket and had polled 1.13 lakh votes. He had also unsuccessfully contested the 2007 Punjab assembly polls from Bhadaur seat in Barnala.
Khalsa had again tried his luck in the 2014 Lok Sabha polls from Fatehgarh Sahib seat on a BSP ticket but lost.
His mother Bimal Kaur was an MP from Ropar seat in 1989.
This time, Khalsa was pitted against AAP nominee and Punjabi actor Karamjit Anmol, BJP's Hans Raj Hans, Congress party's Amarjit Kaur Sahoke and SAD's Rajwinder Singh.
Faridkot Lok Sabha seat comprises nine assembly segments -- Nihal Singhwala, Bagha purana, Moga, Dharamkot, Gidderbaha, Faridkot, Kotkapura, Jaitu and Rampura Phul.
Except Gidderbaha, all eight assembly segments were represented by the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) candidates. Congress party's Amrinder Singh Raja Warring is an MLA from Gidderbaha.
In 2014, AAP nominee Sadhu Singh had won the Faridkot Lok Sabha seat while in 2019, Congress party's Mohammad Sadique won from this constituency.
Lok Sabha Election Results 2024: Separatist Amritpal Singh, Son Of Indira Gandhi's Assassin Win As Independents
Election Results 2024: Radical Sikh preacher Amritpal Singh and Sarabjeet Singh Khalsa, the son of one of the assassins of Indira Gandhi, are have made their maiden entry to Parliament.
www.ndtv.com
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Sikhs already got their own land it’s called Brampton
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This is what I am saying as well, the Sikhs keep voting for their killers Congress to rule over them
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Seems like they only want their murderers to tell them what to do
The ones who wanted Sikh(Khalisthanis) homeland already got their homeland in Brampton.
The ones who want to be patriotic Indians have their home state in Punjab(India).
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And Wolverhampton, Bradford etc
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