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As a muslim it is our belief that Islam will rise and Muslims will dominate the world again.

The question is how?

I cannot see how Modi’s hindu India will accept the word of Islam. Neither can I see how Trump’s America will see light. Enough said of China and its treatment of minorities.

Will there be a natural disaster that will wipe away the non-muslims? The atomic war is bound to happen though. But wouldnt that be an end to humanity?

The thought of the future is scary.

I would also love to hear what the hindus or Christians believe as future.
 
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Muslims ruled the Indian subcontient for a few hundred years. They ruled spain for like 700 years. Do we even need to 'conquer' the world?
 
Strange thread.

Well, it could be by conquest, which is how Islam spread, and very successfully at that. There's far too much discord within the Ummah for that to happen though. National problems aside, even within the religion there are deviant sects which aren't allowed to call themselves Muslims, there are groups of people dismissed as munafiqun, there is simply not enough unity for Islam to 'conquer the world'.

I must say, I am quite glad that is the case.
 
Among all the Nations that you have mentioned, China has the least or close to a zero chance of ever being under the rule of Islam. There is no chance of Islam ever prospering in China, Korea and Japan.

India has a healthy Muslim population so some Muslim majority parts of India could come under Islamic rule in the future but over a billion Hindus are a reality that will never be ruled by Muslims again.

Don't see Islam having a chance of gaining territory in USA but in a few European countries like the UK and France we could witness a growth in Muslim Population over the next century that could lead to divisions in the future.
 
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In a way Islam has taken over the world; awareness.

Whether good or bad publicity, Islam is always a talking point in almost every country.

As the saying goes, all publicity is good!
 
I would also love to hear what the hindus or Christians believe as future.

Hindus have no such desire. Those who want to adopt Hinduism can, others can follow whatever belief system they like. They can even follow another monotheist religion and still believe in the Vedas.
 
Hindus have no such desire. Those who want to adopt Hinduism can, others can follow whatever belief system they like. They can even follow another monotheist religion and still believe in the Vedas

Is there a full moon out tonight?

What does one call who believes in both Monotheism and Polytheism? I call them confused but I guess there is a technical term?
 
Is there a full moon out tonight?

What does one call who believes in both Monotheism and Polytheism? I call them confused but I guess there is a technical term?

Accepting the Vedas does not require polytheism. There are Hindus who do not believe in any God. "Atheist" and "nastik" in Hinduism have very different definitions. 3 of the 6 main schools of thought of Hinduism believe that God does not exist.
 
Hindus have no such desire. Those who want to adopt Hinduism can, others can follow whatever belief system they like. They can even follow another monotheist religion and still believe in the Vedas.
Interesting. I guess that is very similar to Judaism and most other religions.

Only Muslims have had the desire to spread their word.
 
Interesting. I guess that is very similar to Judaism and most other religions.

Only Muslims have had the desire to spread their word.

"Only muslims" Lol

Forgotten the largest religion in the world?
 
Accepting the Vedas does not require polytheism. There are Hindus who do not believe in any God. "Atheist" and "nastik" in Hinduism have very different definitions. 3 of the 6 main schools of thought of Hinduism believe that God does not exist.

If you don't believe in God, then what IS hinduism? Isn't it just atheism but just some people believe in God and others don't?
 
Interesting. I guess that is very similar to Judaism and most other religions.

Only Muslims have had the desire to spread their word.

I think most of the major religions are like that, especially Islam and Christianity. I used to have Jehovah's witnesses come up to my door every week.

Hinduism, Buddhism, etc are exceptions as far as their "leniency" goes.

If you don't believe in God, then what IS hinduism? Isn't it just atheism but just some people believe in God and others don't?

For that you will need to study the texts (start off with the Gita, then find translations of the Vedas and Upanishads if you're so inclined). It is not a set of rules, but much more like philosophical teachings.
 
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If you don't believe in God, then what IS hinduism? Isn't it just atheism but just some people believe in God and others don't?

Hinduism is a word introduced by Britishers and Hindu by Arabs. India for centuries believed in Sanatan Dharma, eternal way for lack of better words.

Sanatan Dharma is about seeking and not believing. Seeking of Moksha or seeking of rid yourself from bad things. Karma is a pillar of Sanatan Dharma, your Karma is action either by doing or thinking something. One will see the results of his or her Karma in this life or next life.

Sanatan Dharma also believe in Incarnation, Soul never dies and keep changing the body based on Karma from this life.

I can go on and on but bottom line is Sanatan Dharma gives you freedom to do whatever you want in order to bring happiness, peace within your life and you are free to take any direction or route you seek. Thay is the other reason, you see so many God and Godesses in India but that doesn't bother anyone.

God resides within you, your Soul is the ultimate God. Inner cleansing is the top most priority for Sanatan Dharma.
 
Is there a full moon out tonight?

What does one call who believes in both Monotheism and Polytheism? I call them confused but I guess there is a technical term?

It simply means some Hindus believe in one God only (as in Islam) and other may believe multiple gods. But both are Hindus.
 
Hindus have no such desire. Those who want to adopt Hinduism can, others can follow whatever belief system they like. They can even follow another monotheist religion and still believe in the Vedas.

isn't ISKCON like a weird offshoot of Hinduism ? they are the closest thing to Jehovah's witnesses although a lot less intrusive. They still do mark their presence in public places with their colourful displays
 
isn't ISKCON like a weird offshoot of Hinduism ? they are the closest thing to Jehovah's witnesses although a lot less intrusive. They still do mark their presence in public places with their colourful displays

What is weird about it?
 
Why is hinduism being discussed on a thread about Muslim world domination? Hinduism is not even a challenger.
 
Depends what you mean by dominate. They can dominate the headlines so Muslims are well on the way there.
 
There's no doubt in my mind that whatever happens, happens only if Allah wants it to happen. Having risen to prominence from literally a desert, our forefathers and ancestors created an empire, the likes of that were never seen before and won't ever be seen again until when it's time.

When people talk about empires other than that, the past and even now, they talk about power and wealth. None of these empires not even the ones of today stand anywhere next to the moral richness of the Muslim empire. When Alcohol was banned, it was thrown away by people without a second question and today even after countless researches and people admitting of the problems that it causes, people continue to make excuses to use it.

Modern world is set on principles that are bound to create unhappiness for a majority of the public. No matter how much money a country has, no matter how rich they tend to be, no matter if their foreign exhange accounts are overflowing with cash, the underlying unhapiness and depression of the people is visible. I'm living in a first world country, i've seen their systems, I'm even impressed by them and wish for our country to adopt these things but at the same hand I also see majority of people whom I meet dealing with some kind of depression related issues. People are living longer, but are they happy and content? Not really and this is not me saying this, the happiness index shows that as well. Also, there are other factors that need to be considered based on your experience that don't really show up in indexes.

Being a Muslim, I don't wish anyone any evil, I hope all those who hate us and think of us as enemies find it in their hearts that we don't even have a fight with them. The will of Allah will take its course like it has before and like it will do even after we become food for the bacteria. He knows how to do things, and he does it in ways that we cannot comprehend.
 
As a muslim it is our belief that Islam will rise and Muslims will dominate the world again.

The question is how?

I cannot see how Modi’s hindu India will accept the word of Islam. Neither can I see how Trump’s America will see light. Enough said of China and its treatment of minorities.

Will there be a natural disaster that will wipe away the non-muslims? The atomic war is bound to happen though. But wouldnt that be an end to humanity?

The thought of the future is scary.

I would also love to hear what the hindus or Christians believe as future.

Let's say there was a button to do all that and establish Muslim dominance, would you press it? :inzi2
 
Very unlikely. More likely that the Islamic world would have greater divisions and differences would increase, some muslim countries will secularise and it would become easier to leave Islam for many that don't want to identify with it anymore. Also with sharply declining fertility rates in the Muslim world, i think it would be extremely difficult for Islam to dominate anytime in the future. That era is long gone.
 
We need to define what we mean by domination. Moreover, the premise of XYZ embracing Islam or a natural disaster wiping out non-Muslims shows exactly what is wrong with Muslims today.

When you consider the state of Muslims today and the economic conditions of most Muslim countries, why would the masses want to embrace Islam?

What have the Muslims achieved since the 14th century (when the Islamic Golden Age ended) that would convince countries like USA, China and Russia etc. to adopt Islam at a state level or have the majority of their population converted to Islam?

In the last few centuries, what have Muslims as a community contributed to the world? Absolutely nothing.

Perhaps our most significant contribution has been to make feeble attempts to put down science that does not align with our beliefs. What hope is there for the future when you see so-called educated Muslims flatly denying evolution and being dismissive of outer space research?

If it were left to us Muslims, we would still be living in the 15th century. However, we feel no shame in criticizing the powers who made the world what it is today using their own made technology.

Muslims will never dominate the world if they continue to:

breed like rabbits, obsess with converting everyone to Islam, deny scientific breakthroughs and advancements, cry about Islamophobia, justify their sorry state because of a grand conspiracy and dismiss every atrocity in the non-Muslim word as inside jobs.

Individual people cannot drive change. Your average American with a 38 inch waist and a cheeseburger in his hand has not made America the superpower that it is today - it is the result of the competitive environment that their governments have been able to create and the resources that they have spent on R&D that have allowed people to thrive, and more importantly, they have not allowed religion to hold them back.

Rich Muslims countries with an abundance of resources have the potential to bring revolution in the Muslim world. I am not looking at countries like Pakistan.

We are in the dumps and our PM firing tweets from his office will not change the perception of Muslims in the world.

However, Muslim countries with resources need to catalyze this change. They need to embrace science and stop treating it like some boogeyman.

They need to invest more in R&D and develop a culture where people are not afraid of violating the teachings of Islam by believing in science. This fear of clash between Islam and science is what drives educated Muslims to pull wool over their eyes and deny evolution which is a fact.

We need to stop overemphasizing on life after death because it is very demotivating - when you tell the masses that this world is insignificant and the only thing that matters is preparation for afterlife, you are not providing them with an environment in which they actively work to make the world a better place and are more concerned with what will happen to them when they die.

The harm that Muslims have done to themselves in the last 5-6 centuries cannot be reversed quickly. This will be a long, drawn out process, but if the Muslim world is prepared to look in the mirror and change their ways, the perception of Muslims and Islam will change over the next 200-300 years and perhaps we will be in a position to dominate the world.

But then again, why dominate? What is the urge and the need to dominate? Why can’t we be one of the many religions in the world? Why not hope for a world where there is interfaith harmony and people simply keep their religions to themselves, but ensuring that their different religious beliefs do not clash with their common goal of human advancement, which is not only an ambition but a necessity for human survival.
 
Interesting points [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. The decline is Islamic civilisation since 1200 CE has been remarkable, and serves as a lesson of what literal interpretation of Bronze Age thinking does to a once great society.

Though personally I think Western culture is on the decline too - it probably hit zenith with the Moon landings and is stagnating - and the Chinese will dominate in the second half of the 21st century.
 
As a muslim it is our belief that Islam will rise and Muslims will dominate the world again.

The question is how?

I cannot see how Modi’s hindu India will accept the word of Islam. Neither can I see how Trump’s America will see light. Enough said of China and its treatment of minorities.

Will there be a natural disaster that will wipe away the non-muslims? The atomic war is bound to happen though. But wouldnt that be an end to humanity?

The thought of the future is scary.

I would also love to hear what the hindus or Christians believe as future.

What about a pandemic wiping out billions of non Muslims? The Black Death in the 1300s for example killed 1/4 of the world’s population.

#God moves in mysterious ways.
 
Interesting points [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. The decline is Islamic civilisation since 1200 CE has been remarkable, and serves as a lesson of what literal interpretation of Bronze Age thinking does to a once great society.

Though personally I think Western culture is on the decline too - it probably hit zenith with the Moon landings and is stagnating - and the Chinese will dominate in the second half of the 21st century.

Economically the chinese may dominate but socially they live in a world of their own. They've banned many websites and some are only chinese made specifically. I've barely seen any chinese people on twitter possible due to it being banned.
 
This is mostly due to the Christians. Their faith is VERY weak. I see so many christians making fun out of Jesus. I don't think there are many TRUE christians left most are just christians by name.

Depends what you call a true Christian. Following the example of Jesus is more important than belief in his divinity IMO.
 
Depends what you call a true Christian. Following the example of Jesus is more important than belief in his divinity IMO.

But jesus didn't do some of the things most christians do these days. Don't want to go in detail.
 
Poor leadership is the biggest issue. The Muslim world is too divided and more interested in dominating each other.

Look at the major international Muslim organisations like the OIC and Arab League - what functions do they serve other than being a talking shop for ageing despots and tyrants ? How have they contributed towards the welfare of the Muslim world in the last 25-30 years ?

Also no society or community can rise without education or commitment to forward progress. Closed, ultra-conservative societies cannot thrive in today's world. Even Saudi Arabia has now accepted it needs to move at least into the 20th Century in terms of women's rights. Iran may be a theocracy but their ayatollahs have accepted the need for women's empowerment through educational opportunities (the female literacy rate in Iran puts Pakistan to shame) and access to free birth control.

On a micro-level, there's more Muslim communities can do to better integrate themselves into the modern world. I see it for myself in the UK where we lag behind in socioeconomic indicators.

I've nothing against religiosity, but how do parents help their children to succeed in today's world when you think your responsibilities towards them start and end by instructing them to recite scriptures with correct Arabic pronunciation rocking back and forth like a parrot ? Or tell the daughters to be covered head to toe in a burqa so nobody can even engage in basic human interactions with them ?

What employment or real world skills will you derive from such an education ? It's ideal to have a religious education as part of a broader curriculum including science, but if that's all you know then don't be surprised when you struggle to make a living, integrate into society and live in silos, ghettoised from everyone else.
 
We need to define what we mean by domination. Moreover, the premise of XYZ embracing Islam or a natural disaster wiping out non-Muslims shows exactly what is wrong with Muslims today.

When you consider the state of Muslims today and the economic conditions of most Muslim countries, why would the masses want to embrace Islam?

What have the Muslims achieved since the 14th century (when the Islamic Golden Age ended) that would convince countries like USA, China and Russia etc. to adopt Islam at a state level or have the majority of their population converted to Islam?

In the last few centuries, what have Muslims as a community contributed to the world? Absolutely nothing.

Perhaps our most significant contribution has been to make feeble attempts to put down science that does not align with our beliefs. What hope is there for the future when you see so-called educated Muslims flatly denying evolution and being dismissive of outer space research?

If it were left to us Muslims, we would still be living in the 15th century. However, we feel no shame in criticizing the powers who made the world what it is today using their own made technology.

Muslims will never dominate the world if they continue to:

breed like rabbits, obsess with converting everyone to Islam, deny scientific breakthroughs and advancements, cry about Islamophobia, justify their sorry state because of a grand conspiracy and dismiss every atrocity in the non-Muslim word as inside jobs.

Individual people cannot drive change. Your average American with a 38 inch waist and a cheeseburger in his hand has not made America the superpower that it is today - it is the result of the competitive environment that their governments have been able to create and the resources that they have spent on R&D that have allowed people to thrive, and more importantly, they have not allowed religion to hold them back.

Rich Muslims countries with an abundance of resources have the potential to bring revolution in the Muslim world. I am not looking at countries like Pakistan.

We are in the dumps and our PM firing tweets from his office will not change the perception of Muslims in the world.

However, Muslim countries with resources need to catalyze this change. They need to embrace science and stop treating it like some boogeyman.

They need to invest more in R&D and develop a culture where people are not afraid of violating the teachings of Islam by believing in science. This fear of clash between Islam and science is what drives educated Muslims to pull wool over their eyes and deny evolution which is a fact.

We need to stop overemphasizing on life after death because it is very demotivating - when you tell the masses that this world is insignificant and the only thing that matters is preparation for afterlife, you are not providing them with an environment in which they actively work to make the world a better place and are more concerned with what will happen to them when they die.

The harm that Muslims have done to themselves in the last 5-6 centuries cannot be reversed quickly. This will be a long, drawn out process, but if the Muslim world is prepared to look in the mirror and change their ways, the perception of Muslims and Islam will change over the next 200-300 years and perhaps we will be in a position to dominate the world.

But then again, why dominate? What is the urge and the need to dominate? Why can’t we be one of the many religions in the world? Why not hope for a world where there is interfaith harmony and people simply keep their religions to themselves, but ensuring that their different religious beliefs do not clash with their common goal of human advancement, which is not only an ambition but a necessity for human survival.

Very decent post that. Ironically Muslim belief in the importance of the afterlife often makes them take this one for granted. I mentioned the arabic saying once before: believe in Allah but tie your camel first.

Muslims need to look after the camel a bit better as it were, thinking about domination is like a beggar dreaming how he would spend a million dollars.
 
Very decent post that. Ironically Muslim belief in the importance of the afterlife often makes them take this one for granted. I mentioned the arabic saying once before: believe in Allah but tie your camel first.

Muslims need to look after the camel a bit better as it were, thinking about domination is like a beggar dreaming how he would spend a million dollars.

True
 
As a muslim it is our belief that Islam will rise and Muslims will dominate the world again.

The question is how?

I cannot see how Modi’s hindu India will accept the word of Islam. Neither can I see how Trump’s America will see light. Enough said of China and its treatment of minorities.

Will there be a natural disaster that will wipe away the non-muslims? The atomic war is bound to happen though. But wouldnt that be an end to humanity?

The thought of the future is scary.

I would also love to hear what the hindus or Christians believe as future.

I personally feel that religion business will go bankrupt in next 50 years. Everyone start to realize that we human have made the God to control the masses. It's like ruling people and force them not to think outside the box.

If you want complete domination of Muslims, I wonder what you trying to achieve after that? Peace? Proud that Islam is everywhere?

I would sign up for domination of any one religion if it guarantee the peace and prosperity to the world, but you know it can never achieve! In fact there will be more pain.
 
This is mostly due to the Christians. Their faith is VERY weak. I see so many christians making fun out of Jesus. I don't think there are many TRUE christians left most are just christians by name.

Simply not true. If anything their faith is the strongest, after Judaism.

The people you see making fun out of Jesus are either plebs who push freedom of speech too far to the point they believe they have a right to offend, or militant Atheists.
 
I personally feel that religion business will go bankrupt in next 50 years. Everyone start to realize that we human have made the God to control the masses. It's like ruling people and force them not to think outside the box.

If you want complete domination of Muslims, I wonder what you trying to achieve after that? Peace? Proud that Islam is everywhere?

I would sign up for domination of any one religion if it guarantee the peace and prosperity to the world, but you know it can never achieve! In fact there will be more pain.

Bankrupt in 50 years? Religion was opposed from day one of human civilization, and is still going strong today.

As for religion ushering more pain, I put to you WW1 and WW2 were not the result of religion, but austerity and political ideologies, namely, socialism. Or how about USA waging illegal wars for the purpose of bestowing democracy?

If God is not controlling the masses, then the media, financial, and political elite certainly are.
 
Simply not true. If anything their faith is the strongest, after Judaism.

The people you see making fun out of Jesus are either plebs who push freedom of speech too far to the point they believe they have a right to offend, or militant Atheists.

I'm sorry but you're wrong. Churches are empty even on Sundays. As i said they're pretending to be christians. They don't follow or even consider the teachings of Christianity when they do things.
Proper christians are very religious that i agree with.
 
Simply not true. If anything their faith is the strongest, after Judaism.

The people you see making fun out of Jesus are either plebs who push freedom of speech too far to the point they believe they have a right to offend, or militant Atheists.

Of course freedom of speech has the right to offend, it's kind of in the name.
 
Tell me what you think a “true Christian” is and I will answer.

A Christian can tell you better but i see it as a person who tries to follow the teachings of jesus as you previously said.
 
The only way Muslims can dominate the world is through population growth. Science and Tech wise, they are no where close to the West and East Asians.
 
Bankrupt in 50 years? Religion was opposed from day one of human civilization, and is still going strong today.

As for religion ushering more pain, I put to you WW1 and WW2 were not the result of religion, but austerity and political ideologies, namely, socialism. Or how about USA waging illegal wars for the purpose of bestowing democracy?

If God is not controlling the masses, then the media, financial, and political elite certainly are.

Religions are going strong from last 30 to 40 years. All the fanatic believes had no place before.

I agree religions were used as a tool to concquor countries but those people never cared for religion.

I may be wrong but this is my assessment of the history in which religion was just a tool.

Nowadays people are more fanatic.

But I strongly believe that as more people are getting smarter by day and can think for what is good and what is not good for them, they will ask questions and if there is no logical explanations to the stories, they will refute them.

Even GOD comes to this earth and he can not logically justify something, new generations will refuse to accept.

Truth will be the ultimate authority and not opposite.
 
The only way Muslims can dominate the world is through population growth. Science and Tech wise, they are no where close to the West and East Asians.

Only thing I can tell with assurance is that if Muslim have control over this earth, there will be no secularism or democracy..
 
I'm sorry but you're wrong. Churches are empty even on Sundays. As i said they're pretending to be christians. They don't follow or even consider the teachings of Christianity when they do things.
Proper christians are very religious that i agree with.

America and Britain are still proud Christian countries, in fact just about all of the most successful countries in the world consider themselves Christian. Just because they don't still live in the 4th century doesn't mean they have abandoned Christianity. It is part of their identity even if they are not fanatical about all the dogma.
 
The future is going to be dominated by atheist and agnostics. With internet access and education to more people, slowly religion will be wiped out from the face of earth. I can already see many Muslims , Christians and Hindus breaking free from religion. Islam being most conservative, will be the last stronghold of religions but it will eventually go away.
 
The globally dominant denomination is not/ will not be based on religion, or even political ideology. Its all based on interests. Those days are gone when we used to say Islam vs Christianity vs some other random followers of a religion.

Post Second World War it was capitalism vs communism/socialism, but even that dynamic has changed. Most dominant countries in the world are some form of capitalist/socialists/oligarchy. The concept of nationalism is getting stronger.

But I have a feeling it’s all about money and power these days. Nations make allies based on those interests. There is no point in trying to conquer the world in the traditional sense. Its all about having diplomatic and trade influences. And US, China and Russia are leading that race.

The Chinese in particular have really changed the game. Why conquer when you can fund your allies and weaker nations and get them to your corner? That’s what they are doing with Pakistan.
 
The only way Muslims can dominate the world is through population growth. Science and Tech wise, they are no where close to the West and East Asians.

You need a refund. I suggest you read up on the contribution of Muslims towards science.

Here's a word - Alcohol. Guess who discovered the process of distillation for your kind? Need another? Algebra. Not enough? Algorithm.

You guessed it, words beginning with AL typically stem from the Muslim world, or better known as, Arabic.
 
As a muslim it is our belief that Islam will rise and Muslims will dominate the world again.

The question is how?

I cannot see how Modi’s hindu India will accept the word of Islam. Neither can I see how Trump’s America will see light. Enough said of China and its treatment of minorities.

Will there be a natural disaster that will wipe away the non-muslims? The atomic war is bound to happen though. But wouldnt that be an end to humanity?

The thought of the future is scary.

I would also love to hear what the hindus or Christians believe as future.

According to Hadith, Imam Mahdi and Jesus (PBUH) will come to the rescue of Muslims, who will face immense trials and tribulations, due to the persecution from the Dajjal but after he is defeated, Jesus will establish a caliphate and Islam will be the prominent belief worldwide.
 
You need a refund. I suggest you read up on the contribution of Muslims towards science.

Here's a word - Alcohol. Guess who discovered the process of distillation for your kind? Need another? Algebra. Not enough? Algorithm.

You guessed it, words beginning with AL typically stem from the Muslim world, or better known as, Arabic.

All that is true but Muslims have not made any major contributions to the sciences in a long long time for various reasons. But that doesn’t mean we can’t change that. Most scientific contributions now are not looked at from behind the veil of religion anymore.
 
Dr Abdus Salam comes to mind. Pakistani Nobel laureate in the field of high energy physics. Too bad we disowned him. But his contributions are immense and not much talked about at least in Muslim circles.
 
You need a refund. I suggest you read up on the contribution of Muslims towards science.

Here's a word - Alcohol. Guess who discovered the process of distillation for your kind? Need another? Algebra. Not enough? Algorithm.

You guessed it, words beginning with AL typically stem from the Muslim world, or better known as, Arabic.

What Muslims did hundreds of years ago means Zilch now. Has anything come from Muslim world in the past 200 yrs?
Name me a Islamic country that you can call a global power militarily and technologically like a Japan or Germany or USA etc..

Arab countries are Sub Saharan African countries without Oil. Pakistan is only Islamic country which is a nuclear power. We all know where Pakistan stands when it comes to Science and Technology.
 
What Muslims did hundreds of years ago means Zilch now. Has anything come from Muslim world in the past 200 yrs?
Name me a Islamic country that you can call a global power militarily and technologically like a Japan or Germany or USA etc..

Arab countries are Sub Saharan African countries without Oil. Pakistan is only Islamic country which is a nuclear power. We all know where Pakistan stands when it comes to Science and Technology.

Those contributions laid the foundation to what is being discovered now. It is ignorant to say that they mean Zilch now.
For example, the openers lay the foundation and then the middle order try to take that further where the team sets a big score. If the openers fail, it would take more effort from the middle order to improve the situation. You can't say that just coz the middle order scored a lot of runs the openers' efforts mean zilch. Likewise in this situation the same idea is used.
 
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What Muslims did hundreds of years ago means Zilch now. Has anything come from Muslim world in the past 200 yrs?
Name me a Islamic country that you can call a global power militarily and technologically like a Japan or Germany or USA etc..

Arab countries are Sub Saharan African countries without Oil. Pakistan is only Islamic country which is a nuclear power. We all know where Pakistan stands when it comes to Science and Technology.
How can they mean zilch? That stuff is the foundation of science now. And you should look up dr Abdus Salam for more recent contribution to science.

But yes, I agree our contributions in the fields of science and tech are not where they should be.
 
How can they mean zilch? That stuff is the foundation of science now. And you should look up dr Abdus Salam for more recent contribution to science.

But yes, I agree our contributions in the fields of science and tech are not where they should be.

Muslims were innovative centuries ago. How your grandfathers lived has no bearing on you. You have to look at the present and it will take decades before any Islamic country will be taken seriously on a world stage.
 
What Muslims did hundreds of years ago means Zilch now. Has anything come from Muslim world in the past 200 yrs?

OIL.

Don't worry about it, by your thinking ancient Hindus and Indians did sweet FA for humanity and for their country. So much for professing peace in the love of present Vedas.
 
Muslims were innovative centuries ago. How your grandfathers lived has no bearing on you. You have to look at the present and it will take decades before any Islamic country will be taken seriously on a world stage.

Define “seriously”? Whether it is for one thing or another other leaders including your own Modi ji roll out the red carpets for leaders of oil rich Muslim nations. And obviously Pakistan is taken seriously as well because every time tensions with India get high, the world sits up and starts taking notice. Nuclear capability has that effect. I would say that’s serious enough.
 
Define “seriously”? Whether it is for one thing or another other leaders including your own Modi ji roll out the red carpets for leaders of oil rich Muslim nations. And obviously Pakistan is taken seriously as well because every time tensions with India get high, the world sits up and starts taking notice. Nuclear capability has that effect. I would say that’s serious enough.

Having nuclear tech does not mean the country is advanced. Pakistan is still backward and is no where in the tech scene. All of the latest and greatest comes from West or China/Japan now. Its a fact. Pakistan has got to go a long way before it can reach that level. Unfortunately by then, the mentioned countries will be even more advanced.

Modi is a businessman and he will hug even a donkey if it is willing to invest billions in India or trade with India.
 
The fact that Pakistan has developed nuclear weapons... doesn't mean much to me.

I understand that thanks to it there won't be a major war against India (or any other country), ever.

But still, I'd be way prouder if Pak had a decent Universal Healthcare for its citizens.

The problem with Muslim world is corrupt 'leaders'/dictators etc.
 
The fact that Pakistan has developed nuclear weapons... doesn't mean much to me.

I understand that thanks to it there won't be a major war against India (or any other country), ever.

But still, I'd be way prouder if Pak had a decent Universal Healthcare for its citizens.

The problem with Muslim world is corrupt 'leaders'/dictators etc.
Yeh i get your point.

One thing you can feel proud though, our army personnel are one of the best in the world. In particular our air force.
 
Define “seriously”? Whether it is for one thing or another other leaders including your own Modi ji roll out the red carpets for leaders of oil rich Muslim nations. And obviously Pakistan is taken seriously as well because every time tensions with India get high, the world sits up and starts taking notice. Nuclear capability has that effect. I would say that’s serious enough.

Agreed. If we talk about the big muslim countries of the world (Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, UAE, Malaysia, Qatar etc), all of them are taken very seriously, for one reason or the other.

The question really is that can these countries come on the same page and build a united muslim block? Only that can lead to something more dominant in today’s world.
 
Define “seriously”? Whether it is for one thing or another other leaders including your own Modi ji roll out the red carpets for leaders of oil rich Muslim nations. And obviously Pakistan is taken seriously as well because every time tensions with India get high, the world sits up and starts taking notice. Nuclear capability has that effect. I would say that’s serious enough.

If you think world comes to intervene becuz they dont want to loose India, they won't even look back if it was only for Pakistam..come on, you are much intelligent!
 
If you think world comes to intervene becuz they dont want to loose India, they won't even look back if it was only for Pakistam..come on, you are much intelligent!

USA needs us to get out of Afghanistan. Obviously the superpower needs to take us seriously lol.
 
Dr Abdus Salam comes to mind. Pakistani Nobel laureate in the field of high energy physics. Too bad we disowned him. But his contributions are immense and not much talked about at least in Muslim circles.
he was not even a muslim lol
 
As a muslim it is our belief that Islam will rise and Muslims will dominate the world again.

The question is how?

I cannot see how Modi’s hindu India will accept the word of Islam. Neither can I see how Trump’s America will see light. Enough said of China and its treatment of minorities.

Will there be a natural disaster that will wipe away the non-muslims? The atomic war is bound to happen though. But wouldnt that be an end to humanity?

The thought of the future is scary.

I would also love to hear what the hindus or Christians believe as future.

Are you talking about end times after Jesus is back? As far as I know the people at that time will be divided in 2 groups: with Jesus and against Jesus. And when Jesus win then people against Jesus will change to be with him.
 
What makes people think that there won't be any new religion? Who is guarantee that today's religions will survive after 100 or 200 years?

Everyone forgets that your life is only span in within 100 years..world will survive and nee people will come for another thousands of years..

So chill only thing is dominant n this world is the DEATH..nothing conquers anything..

And your God/Allah/Bhagwan is also temporary and he/she doesnt solve anything in your life.
 
A Christian can tell you better but i see it as a person who tries to follow the teachings of jesus as you previously said.
Ok. I would say that a lot of people who attend church on Sundays and sing the hymns and pray and study their Bibles do not act in a very Christian way, as though they know the words of scripture to recite but do not connect to the meanings of the words. Their Christianity is more of identity than selfless love and forgiveness.
 
What makes people think that there won't be any new religion? Who is guarantee that today's religions will survive after 100 or 200 years?

Everyone forgets that your life is only span in within 100 years..world will survive and nee people will come for another thousands of years..

So chill only thing is dominant n this world is the DEATH..nothing conquers anything..

And your God/Allah/Bhagwan is also temporary and he/she doesnt solve anything in your life.

The average Life expectancy is decent in terms of years so the claim that religions would die out just because the people who initially followed it died is not valid.
Also Christianity has been here for like 2000 years, hinduism like 10000 years, judaism started even before christianity. All of them still have a decent following. Islam is going to nearly match Christianity in terms of following by 2060. Also according to islam, people following islam will die down a lot and when that happens the end will be near.
 
You need a refund. I suggest you read up on the contribution of Muslims towards science.

Here's a word - Alcohol. Guess who discovered the process of distillation for your kind? Need another? Algebra. Not enough? Algorithm.

You guessed it, words beginning with AL typically stem from the Muslim world, or better known as, Arabic.
How did muslims invent alebra?
 
I want Pakistan to resurrect itself. The rest doesn’t matter to me
 
The average Life expectancy is decent in terms of years so the claim that religions would die out just because the people who initially followed it died is not valid.
Also Christianity has been here for like 2000 years, hinduism like 10000 years, judaism started even before christianity. All of them still have a decent following. Islam is going to nearly match Christianity in terms of following by 2060. Also according to islam, people following islam will die down a lot and when that happens the end will be near.

Fair enough but what makes you so sure that there won't be any new religion established in coming years?
 
Fair enough but what makes you so sure that there won't be any new religion established in coming years?

'Religions' are established every day. A new 'major' religion can't be formed because there won't be any credibility behind whatever belief the religion holds.
 
'Religions' are established every day. A new 'major' religion can't be formed because there won't be any credibility behind whatever belief the religion holds.

The Abrahamic religions believe their final messenger has already delivered their message. So no conversions will happen from the major religions to the new one. Hence no growth meaning no significant effect on the world. The new 'religion' will be more of a cult than a proper religion.
 
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