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What will Narendra Modi do with his mandate? The Bharatiya Janata Party and its supporters ask, not unreasonably, that critics wait upon events. Spokespersons for the party reiterate that Narendra Modi has promised development for all. They rather ruin the effect of this by tacking on ‘and appeasement of none’. The word ‘appease’ is a curious choice in this context. Appeasement is generally used to describe the propitiation of all-powerful beings, mortal or divine, but the BJP always uses it to describe the republic’s treatment of its most depressed and marginalized community, Indian Muslims.

If there is one obvious feature of this election, it is the BJP’s successful consolidation of the Hindu vote in a whole range of constituencies. Not one of the BJP’s 282 successful Lok Sabha candidates is a Muslim, and it’s fair to say that no one is surprised. The party’s spokespersons argue that the BJP has no time for tokenism, that Muslims will draw closer to the BJP once they experience the Modi-inspired development that lifts everyone’s boats.

We must hope they are right but even if they are, republican democracy is about fraternity and an election which sees the BJP hugely expand its footprint in India geographically while remaining, in its personnel and its voters, a near-exclusively Hindu party, should be a cause for real concern, not least for the party.

The flip side to Hindu consolidation is the political marginalization of minorities. I use the word minorities advisedly because the well-publicized failure of the BJP to win Muslim votes has been explained away as a form of false-consciousness peculiar to Muslims. The BJP’s explanation is that the Muslims have, yet again, been brainwashed by pseudo-secular propaganda into believing the worst.

But Muslims weren’t alone in their repudiation of the BJP. The Centre for the Study of Developing Societies’ polling data (which is the only access we have to estimates of community-wise voting), tell us that Christians were even more emphatic in their rejection of the party. According to the CSDS, 9 per cent of Muslim voters voted for the BJP and the equivalent percentage amongst Christians was even lower, at 8 per cent. Given the BJP’s refrain that Narendra Modi’s campaign was centred on growth and governance to the exclusion of all things sectarian, someone needs to explain why Christians didn’t respond to the universal economic rationality of the BJP’s message.

The simple explanation might be that India’s minority citizens felt threatened by the BJP’s majoritarianism. Five years ago, the BJP in Odisha justified and explained away violent attacks on Christians in Kandhamal district. Subramaniam Swamy, now chairman of the BJP’s strategic action committee, demanded in an article written as recently as 2011 the disenfranchisement of all non-Hindus (not just Muslims) who didn’t defer to their Hindu origins.

It follows, then, that the expectations raised by Narendra Modi’s campaign are mixed with foreboding, not just amongst Muslims and Christians but for those Indians who think that majoritarian politics is a bad fit for a diverse country and who dislike the BJP’s brand of paranoid nationalism. The BJP might, of course, mutate into an Indian version of the German Christian Democratic Union, a centre-right party mindful of the niceties of a liberal democratic republic, but given that the party is led by Narendra Modi and Amit Shah, it’s fair to say that this ‘remains to be seen’. In the interim it’s inevitable that the new government’s composition, its initiatives and pronouncements will be parsed for clues that might reveal its nature and its intentions.

The first signs aren’t reassuring. Modi had 71 BJP members of parliament in Uttar Pradesh to choose from for ministerial office and he chose to make Sanjeev Baliyan, the MP from Muzaffarnagar, a minister of state. Baliyan was accused of violating prohibitory orders and promoting enmity between communities during the riots in Muzaffarnagar in September 2013. Thus not only did the BJP win western UP on the back of communal rioting, one of the riot-accused is now part of Narendra Modi’s first ministry.

The BJP has argued that Baliyan was framed by a hostile state government and it should be noted that he hasn’t been convicted of a crime, but it’s worth remembering that Narendra Modi has form in this matter. Maya Kodnani, who was widely believed to have been involved in the killings in Naroda Patia in 2002, was made minister of women and child development in 2007, five years after the riots. She served for two years till her past caught up with her; she was convicted of murder and conspiracy to murder in 2012 and was sentenced to 28 years in prison. A Modi sarkar looking to put its sectarian past behind it, wouldn’t have doubled down on Sanjeev Baliyan; it would have waited for him to be exonerated of these serious charges before elevating him to ministerial office.

The other sign that the BJP might default to its gut positions in spite of its growth-and-governance message, is that within 24 hours of taking office, the new minister of state in the prime minister’s office, Jitendra Singh, declared that “[w]e are in the process of repealing Article 370 and are in talks with the stakeholders”. He subsequently claimed he had been misquoted, that he had “never said anything quoting the Honourable Prime Minister”. As clarifications go, this one was mystifying because he hadn’t been accused of quoting the prime minister in the first place, but the MP from Udhampur seemed driven to say what he said by a core agenda that outweighed such niceties as tactics and timing.

What do these signs suggest? I think it’s reasonable to assume that the BJP isn’t going to literally reconstitute the republic in the near future. I can’t see the BJP manoeuvering to amend the Constitution’s preamble to drop the word ‘secular’ for example, a word, incidentally, inserted into it by Indira Gandhi in her most authoritarian phase. Nor can I see Narendra Modi amending Article 25 of the Indian Constitution which guarantees freedom of religion. The one thing he isn’t going to do is give critics a clear-cut reason for saying ‘I told you so’. Also, as a practical matter, the BJP doesn’t have the votes either in Parliament or the provincial legislative assemblies to make constitutional amendments.

On the other hand, the BJP has a core constituency that is committed to majoritarian consolidation and this base vote will certainly wish to be ‘appeased’. There is a range of Hindutvavadi issues that this government could sponsor without attempting formal amendments to the Constitution.

For example, given Modi’s reference to the ‘pink revolution’ during the election campaign, it’s not unreasonable to expect that the government will move to curb the trade that exists in beef cattle. This has the double virtue of being consonant with the directive principles of the Constitution and attentive to Hindu sensibilities on the subject. There have been attempts to pass a Central law on the matter of cow slaughter that haven’t gone anywhere, so it’s possible that a Modi government could try to move decisively on this.

The BJP could also try to enact an anti-conversion law. Several Indian states have versions of the Freedom of Religion Act, all of which are, ironically, designed to constrain freedom of choice in the matter of religion. They are explicitly aimed at curbing proselytization and conversion. So a person planning to convert has to seek permission from an officer of the state. The officer then makes a judgment as to whether the desire to convert is of the individual’s free will or is in fact coerced or induced.

These acts have clauses that keep ‘reconversion’ to Hinduism outside the purview of the act since re-conversion is seen as a return to the person’s original, authentic state. Since the Supreme Court has ruled that converting others isn’t part of the fundamental right to propagate one’s faith, the BJP, given its majority, might attempt to push an all-India bill to this effect through Parliament.

Which brings us to the matter of the Babri Masjid and the Ram Mandir.

While the Supreme Court has stayed the Allahabad High Court judgement and taken it on appeal, there is nothing to prevent a Modi government, given its mandate and clout to ‘encourage’ the various parties to the dispute to settle. The BJP has consistently maintained that it would like to build a Ram Mandir through a negotiated consensus, which is code for the Muslim parties to the dispute ceding their claim to the site of the razed mosque.

In the past, the BJP has pleaded the compulsions of coalition government as an explanation for not doing anything to fast-track the Ram Mandir. Given its comfortable majority, it no longer has to attend to the sensibilities of less sectarian coalition partners. With the term of the UP assembly due to expire in 2017, there is every reason to believe that the BJP will agitate this issue (which is, after all, a part of its election manifesto) in the run up to the provincial elections.

The BJP likes to argue that its critics are alarmist in an irresponsible way. But these issues (and others, like the uniform civil code) cumulatively have the potential for making minorities feel that they are being singled out for unwelcome attention.

We are surrounded in South Asia by nations that struggle with the violent and demoralizing consequences of a turn towards majoritarianism: Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are cautionary tales. India’s principal success as a nation state is that amid these semi-failed countries, it has, in comparison, been an oasis of pluralist calm.

Should government policy and legislation begin to imply that India is, de facto, a Hindu state, this might energize the BJP’s base but it will almost certainly cause a profound sense of alienation amongst large swathes of the republic’s citizenry. So before that happens, we need to consider the point at which the implementation of the BJP’s ‘core agenda’ might become a threat to the cohesion of the nation state. Whether we’re partisans of the BJP or its critics, this is a conversation we need to have today and every day through the duration of this Modi sarkar.
 
The minister for Minority affairs has made a strong claim in this direction, which, I believe has Modi's full backing.

NEW DELHI: Minority affairs minister Najma Heptullah on Tuesday said Muslims were not minorities by any stretch of the imagination and instead Parsis with their dwindling population qualified for the tag.

On her first day in office, Heptullah appeared determined to reorient the ministry by playing down its role in welfare of Muslims and dismissing the policies espoused by the UPA government.

"Muslims are not minorities. Parsis are. We have to see how we can help them so that their numbers don't diminish," she told reporters when asked how her government proposed to take Muslim welfare forward.

With more questions about the community being lobbed at her, Heptullah snapped back, "This is not the ministry for Muslim affairs, this is the ministry for minority affairs."
 
Preaching of religion should stop but conversion should be allowed.
 
Good answers by Hepteullah. Its time the Secularists realize that Sikhs , Jains , Buddhists , Parsis are the real minorities in India. Bloody Congress has changed the definition of Minorities = Muslims only.
 
Good answers by Hepteullah. Its time the Secularists realize that Sikhs , Jains , Buddhists , Parsis are the real minorities in India. Bloody Congress has changed the definition of Minorities = Muslims only.

Even Bloody BJP supporter Romali rotti added Christianity and muslims to the minorities
 
Muslims form the second biggest religion in India. They are responsible towards the minorities as much as Hindus.
 
Made sense, didn't she?

I will respect her if she says the same thing as an independent speaker and not as a BJP minister. BJP made a muslim say that, I am sure if a Hindu minister had said so, there would be an uproar.
 
I will respect her if she says the same thing as an independent speaker and not as a BJP minister. BJP made a muslim say that, I am sure if a Hindu minister had said so, there would be an uproar.

Oh come on! So insecure..
 
What is the concept of minority in India isnt india a secular state and not a religious one(like pakistan) for e.g. Here in germany there are no minorities every german citizen is same religion is personal and should not be part of any gov document.

What is point if religious minority in a secular state ??
 
What is the concept of minority in India isnt india a secular state and not a religious one(like pakistan) for e.g. Here in germany there are no minorities every german citizen is same religion is personal and should not be part of any gov document.

What is point if religious minority in a secular state ??

U can thank congress for that, who started this minority appeasement politics to help them with their vote banks.
Modi has clearly said 'development for all, appeasement for none' but some people seem to have a problem with it.
 
U can thank congress for that, who started this minority appeasement politics to help them with their vote banks.
Modi has clearly said 'development for all, appeasement for none' but some people seem to have a problem with it.

I am talking about constitution?? Here also some parties use these points to score some political points but it doesn't matter apart from may be 1 or 2 local seats.
 
Muslims form the second biggest religion in India. They are responsible towards the minorities as much as Hindus.

Percentage of African Americans in USA is similar to percentage of Muslims in India and they are considered minority in USA.
 
What is the concept of minority in India isnt india a secular state and not a religious one(like pakistan) for e.g. Here in germany there are no minorities every german citizen is same religion is personal and should not be part of any gov document.

What is point if religious minority in a secular state ??

To protect the rights of minority. It's provided by Indian constitution.
 
What is a Hindu state anyway? It would be useful if someone could put a definition on it. I would have thought that the whole point of building a party around the Hindu religious values was to impose those across India, otherwise what is the point?
 
I am talking about constitution?? Here also some parties use these points to score some political points but it doesn't matter apart from may be 1 or 2 local seats.

You think if Indians actually followed their constitution properly we would be in a mess right now?
The word 'securalism' has been so badly abused in our country, just to justify anything done for minorities in the name of secularism.
People are so fed up of the word that they call secularists as 'sickularists'
 
To protect the rights of minority. It's provided by Indian constitution.

I failed to put forward my question properly I guess... India is a secular state so why minority based on religion or ethnicity ?? I am not trying to score any points just asking a question.
 
U can thank congress for that, who started this minority appeasement politics to help them with their vote banks.
Modi has clearly said 'development for all, appeasement for none' but some people seem to have a problem with it.

Building Ram temple is part of BJP manifesto and it would count appeasement of Hindu majority by BJP.
 
Building Ram temple is part of BJP manifesto and it would count appeasement of Hindu majority by BJP.

It's been part of the BJP manifesto for over two decades. Does that mean it will get built? There's more chance of Indians arresting American diplomats and subjecting them to a cavity search.
 
Building Ram temple is part of BJP manifesto and it would count appeasement of Hindu majority by BJP.

Actually if u go talk to the hindus in ayodhaya, they say they do nt care that much if Ram temple is built or not, they want communal harmony, there was a news channel which interviewed some people and all said the same thing that they want communal harmony.
It is organizations like VHP (vishwa hindu parishad) and other affliated hindu organizations that want ram temple built.
Bjp has to keep their interests that's why they wrote that, I'm sure they are not going to do much about it.
 
I failed to put forward my question properly I guess... India is a secular state so why minority based on religion or ethnicity ?? I am not trying to score any points just asking a question.

I guess the justification was that since Hindus formed a larger proportion of the population, Muslims would not be politically well represented and hence to safeguard their interests, there are provisions for them as a religious minority.
 
Percentage of African Americans in USA is similar to percentage of Muslims in India and they are considered minority in USA.
African Americans suffered slavery and racial discrimination for over a 100 years. Muslims in the subcontinent did not. That was a stupid comparison.
 
I guess the justification was that since Hindus formed a larger proportion of the population, Muslims would not be politically well represented and hence to safeguard their interests, there are provisions for them as a religious minority.

Fair enough... But then in reality india is not much different from Pakistan and other such countries in this regard.
 
It's been part of the BJP manifesto for over two decades. Does that mean it will get built? There's more chance of Indians arresting American diplomats and subjecting them to a cavity search.

They were able to demolish Babri Mosque, though BJP denies any direct role in it.
 
Actually if u go talk to the hindus in ayodhaya, they say they do nt care that much if Ram temple is built or not, they want communal harmony, there was a news channel which interviewed some people and all said the same thing that they want communal harmony.
It is organizations like VHP (vishwa hindu parishad) and other affliated hindu organizations that want ram temple built.
Bjp has to keep their interests that's why they wrote that, I'm sure they are not going to do much about it.

Spokesperson from VHP was reminding BJP few days ago about building of Ram temple in Aayodhaya to fulfill their party manifesto.
 
Fair enough... But then in reality india is not much different from Pakistan and other such countries in this regard.

Secularism in India is unlike what is present in France and Germany. You will find a lot of Hindus complain about "Muslim appeasement" because we don't have a uniform civil code, muslims get subsidies from the government to perform hajj, reservations in educational institutes etc.
 
Secularism in India is unlike what is present in France and Germany. You will find a lot of Hindus complain about "Muslim appeasement" because we don't have a uniform civil code, muslims get subsidies from the government to perform hajj, reservations in educational institutes etc.

In some states there are reservations for muslims in educational institutes as well.
 
So the general sentiment is that Pakistani Mullahs want India to be secular and Pakistan to be an Islamic state?

Interesting.
 
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Actually if u go talk to the hindus in ayodhaya, they say they do nt care that much if Ram temple is built or not, they want communal harmony, there was a news channel which interviewed some people and all said the same thing that they want communal harmony.
It is organizations like VHP (vishwa hindu parishad) and other affliated hindu organizations that want ram temple built.
Bjp has to keep their interests that's why they wrote that, I'm sure they are not going to do much about it.

But this is the first time BJP has full majority on its own.

If RSS dosn't push for its agenda now (I mean in these 5 years), no one knows when it will get the next chance.

So that makes this a complex issue.

We just have to wait and watch.
 
So the general sentiment is that Pakistani Mullah want India to be secular and Pakistan to be an Islamic state?

Interesting.

Actually it makes sense cos eventually India and other countries will be captured and Islamic rule will be established all over the world (according to some).
 
I hate this secularism really don't know why people want Pakistan to be a secular nation, I mean Pakistan was made for the Muslims if it not had been Muslims struggle than we would have been living in India under a tyrannical law
 
I hate this secularism really don't know why people want Pakistan to be a secular nation, I mean Pakistan was made for the Muslims if it not had been Muslims struggle than we would have been living in India under a tyrannical law

How is the law in India tyrannical towards Muslims?
 
But this is the first time BJP has full majority on its own.

If RSS dosn't push for its agenda now (I mean in these 5 years), no one knows when it will get the next chance.

So that makes this a complex issue.

We just have to wait and watch.

I think Modi will do other works first to build his image as a performer.. there is time left for Ram Temple, and the sentiment isn't that much after the Babri Mosque demolition.. prior to that, many Hindus saw the Mosque as a sign of oppression and insult to their religion.. hence it had to go.

Not many are inclined to build Temple there, because it doesn't directly relate to the "pride" now as much as when Babri mosque was standing there as a sign of insult to Hindus.
 
So the general sentiment is that Pakistani Mullah want India to be secular and Pakistan to be an Islamic state?

Interesting.

religious right always freaks out seeing mirror.
 
What's wrong in making india a Hindu nation most of their population is Hindu

Majority of Hindus would not want a Hindu nation including myself. The secular state is inherently more egalitarian than any Buddhist, Christian, Islamic, Hindu state and most Indians accept this.
 
I think Modi will do other works first to build his image as a performer.. there is time left for Ram Temple, and the sentiment isn't that much after the Babri Mosque demolition.. prior to that, many Hindus saw the Mosque as a sign of oppression and insult to their religion.. hence it had to go.

Not many are inclined to build Temple there, because it doesn't directly relate to the "pride" now as much as when Babri mosque was standing there as a sign of insult to Hindus.

Yep. Modi will definitely do other works first.

RSS also knows about it.

You may be right reg the pride angle. It could be a possibility (though it was not right to demolish the mosque after declaring your country to be secular).

I would be glad if RSS just walks away from this Ram temple issue. Its a bombshell.
 
Majority of Hindus would not want a Hindu nation including myself. The secular state is inherently more egalitarian than any Buddhist, Christian, Islamic, Hindu state and most Indians accept this.

Why would a Hindu not want a Hindu state? Is there some fear among Hindus also if the state becomes Hindu state ?
 
Yep. Modi will definitely do other works first.

RSS also knows about it.

You may be right reg the pride angle. It could be a possibility (though it was not right to demolish the mosque after declaring your country to be secular).

I would be glad if RSS just walks away from this Ram temple issue. Its a bombshell.

I think demolition of the mosque was very much the Hindu sentiment (either original or flamed), but it had to happen, and I don't see anything wrong with that (provided it's proven it was built the way it was told to Hindus).

It has nothing to do with secularism.. an illegal structure had to go. Though I believe it should have happened through a Court order rather than mob demolishing it.
 
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African Americans suffered slavery and racial discrimination for over a 100 years. Muslims in the subcontinent did not. That was a stupid comparison.

USA abolished slavery in 1865. De jure racial discrimination ended in 60s. African Americans were doing as well as their white counterparts until crack epidemic hit African American community in 80s.

Muslim in India are discriminated right now based on their religion. Percentage of Muslims in Govt. jobs is much lower compare to their total population size. They cannot buy property in better neighborhoods and this is true for well known Muslims too. Muslims are being ghettoize in India and do not blame some of them for celebrating Pakistan win against their birth nation next time when you treat them like second class citizens.
 
I have a question.

If they do establish India to be a Hindu state (hypothetically), will they use the Hindu jurisprudence?

If they do, Modi himself has to step down. He is not a kshatriya.
 
Why would a Hindu not want a Hindu state? Is there some fear among Hindus also if the state becomes Hindu state ?

There is both fear and longing it would seem. Best to get past this issue once and for all, but then we thought we had done that when the last BJP govt collapsed, yet here we are once again.
 
I think demolition of the mosque was very much the Hindu sentiment (either original or flamed), but it had to happen, and I don't see anything wrong with that (provided it's proven it was built the way it was told to Hindus).

It has nothing to do with secularism.. an illegal structure had to go. Though I believe it should have happened through a Court order rather than mob demolishing it.

What illegal structure?

It was built at a time when our Constitution wasn't even formed.
 
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What is a Hindu state anyway? It would be useful if someone could put a definition on it. I would have thought that the whole point of building a party around the Hindu religious values was to impose those across India, otherwise what is the point?

I am sure that even Vishwa Hindu Parishad doesn't know how to define a Hindu state. Only yesterday a colleague claimed that in Hinduism, every belief is valid. In that case, India is already a Hindu state.
 
Why would a Hindu not want a Hindu state? Is there some fear among Hindus also if the state becomes Hindu state ?

It is not a question of fear. It is the belief that only a secular state would see progress. Just look at secular Europe and the Islamic Middle East. Where would you prefer to live given a choice between the two? Religion has to be completely divorced from politics at all levels.
 
If there can be catholic, muslim, buddhist and atheist countries, why shouldn't there be a hindu country?
 
IS it true that somebody sugggested in parliament to ban the azaan for fajr prayer :L
 
USA abolished slavery in 1865. De jure racial discrimination ended in 60s. African Americans were doing as well as their white counterparts until crack epidemic hit African American community in 80s.

Muslim in India are discriminated right now based on their religion. Percentage of Muslims in Govt. jobs is much lower compare to their total population size. They cannot buy property in better neighborhoods and this is true for well known Muslims too. Muslims are being ghettoize in India and do not blame some of them for celebrating Pakistan win against their birth nation next time when you treat them like second class citizens.

Muslims are less represented in states such as UP and Bihar because they are less educated than their counterparts in Kerala,TN etc. where they are significantly present in government positions. Ghettoisation of african Americans still does take place inspite of the government. That's the case with Indian muslims as well. It is not because of systematic discrimination by the state.
 
It is not a question of fear. It is the belief that only a secular state would see progress. Just look at secular Europe and the Islamic Middle East. Where would you prefer to live given a choice between the two? Religion has to be completely divorced from politics at all levels.

Yes, my question is : are Hindus scared of religion playing a role of putting forth strict Hindu guidelines and will not allow Hindus to live the way they want also ? Or are they worried about what will happen to their fellow muslims/christians ?
 
Building Ram temple is part of BJP manifesto and it would count appeasement of Hindu majority by BJP.

Haha babari masjid verdict is a complete joke, I hope supreme court cancels high court's verdict
 
So the general sentiment is that Pakistani Mullahs want India to be secular and Pakistan to be an Islamic state?

Interesting.

USA abolished slavery in 1865. De jure racial discrimination ended in 60s. African Americans were doing as well as their white counterparts until crack epidemic hit African American community in 80s.

Muslim in India are discriminated right now based on their religion. Percentage of Muslims in Govt. jobs is much lower compare to their total population size. They cannot buy property in better neighborhoods and this is true for well known Muslims too. Muslims are being ghettoize in India and do not blame some of them for celebrating Pakistan win against their birth nation next time when you treat them like second class citizens.

Read above your answer.
 
Yes, my question is : are Hindus scared of religion playing a role of putting forth strict Hindu guidelines and will not allow Hindus to live the way they want also ? Or are they worried about what will happen to their fellow muslims/christians ?

Well the truly spiritual Hindus live by very strict guidelines and do so even in a secular state. Enforcing these guidelines on the less religious/non religious and the minorities (Christians/Muslims) would be unjust.
 
USA abolished slavery in 1865. De jure racial discrimination ended in 60s. African Americans were doing as well as their white counterparts until crack epidemic hit African American community in 80s.

Muslim in India are discriminated right now based on their religion. Percentage of Muslims in Govt. jobs is much lower compare to their total population size. They cannot buy property in better neighborhoods and this is true for well known Muslims too. Muslims are being ghettoize in India and do not blame some of them for celebrating Pakistan win against their birth nation next time when you treat them like second class citizens.

What about the utter discrimination of non Muslims in Pakistan?
 
Well the truly spiritual Hindus live by very strict guidelines and do so even in a secular state. Enforcing these guidelines on the less religious/non religious and the minorities (Christians/Muslims) would be unjust.

A lot of Hindus don't want these strict guidelines to be forced on them.
 
Dude, you please read what I said earlier.. when did I claim it was the fact that it was built by demolishing Ram Temple ?

Here is the sequence of events. What did I misinterpret?

I think demolition of the mosque was very much the Hindu sentiment (either original or flamed), but it had to happen, and I don't see anything wrong with that (provided it's proven it was built the way it was told to Hindus).

It has nothing to do with secularism.. an illegal structure had to go. Though I believe it should have happened through a Court order rather than mob demolishing it.

What illegal structure?

It was built at a time when our Constitution wasn't even formed.

Because it was built by demolishing an existing Ram Temple..

That is the Hindu's claim.

What does court say about it?

Here in wikipedia, different versions are there - Hindu, Jain, Muslim and British.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babri_Mosque
 
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Ghettoization of a minority community is generally in interest of the leaders of that community. It is better if a community forms 30% of the voters in one constituency than 10% in 3. Without the ghettos, the representation of the minorities will be further diluted.
 
A lot of Hindus don't want these strict guidelines to be forced on them.

I don't either. In a secular state you have a choice to follow such guidelines of your own free will. In a Hindu state they would be forced on me. I wouldn't want that and most Hindus won't either
 
Here is the sequence of events. What did I misinterpret?

Read this part in the first post you quoted :

(provided it's proven it was built the way it was told to Hindus).


I expect the rest of the arguments will follow based on this premise and I don't need to post the disclaimer in each of the posts.
 
it is testimony to the success of the conspiracy against hindus, that the first to object to anything hindu, are the hindus themselves. when will hindus wake up. when will they start asserting their pride in their religion. they think it is cool to eat beef because muslims and christians do so. they even term their religious events as mythology. do you see muslims or christians terming any of their miracles as mythology? and if you are a proud hindu, they(the so called secular hindus) will call you an internet hindu, have you seen anyone called internet christian or internet muslim? they even use the term hindu rate of growth, what has religion to do with growth of economy?? and what is this fashion of saying oh my God, and inshaAllah by hindus, to either sound secular or cool?

if you don't take pride in your religion, then don't expect others to respect your religion.
 
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I don't either. In a secular state you have a choice to follow such guidelines of your own free will. In a Hindu state they would be forced on me. I wouldn't want that and most Hindus won't either

Fair enough.. I just wanted to understand the reason of your reluctance.. I thought it was driven by your concern of the fellow muslims/christians.
 
Read this part in the first post you quoted :

(provided it's proven it was built the way it was told to Hindus).


I expect the rest of the arguments will follow based on this premise and I don't need to post the disclaimer in each of the posts.

I glossed over that point. Didn't notice it when I read it first.

My apologies then.
 
What's wrong in making india a Hindu nation most of their population is Hindu
India is not growing with tolerance rather polarizing with fanatic religionists of all kinds. and yes, minorities are quite large in numbers(25crore or more) and Hindu nation is a fascist ideology propagated by RSS whose agendas are not really that much different from radical Islamists(or may be far more worse).
 
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