Will Pakistan become a dominant force in the white-ball formats after Babar Azam's resignation?

[Bewal Express]

Whether Usman would have played for Pakistan or not is your assumption, not based on facts.

As for Naqvi, he hasn't even been in charge for a year, so blaming him doesn't make sense.

Imran Khan appointed Ramiz Raja what did he actually do? he couldn't crack the codes for the pitches and we were losing on the trot at home, and Naqvi cracked the code in 6 months and we won 2 tests vs England Or does that not count?

If Babar is truly talented, he needs to show it. I’d rate him higher if he could elevate his strike rate to at least 140-145, given the position he plays in T20s.His average doesn’t matter much in this format.

However, he is a solid ODI batsman, though I would still rate Fakhar higher."

Usman Khawaja would never have played for PK because they system is a total lottery which eats up talent and destroys it.
Naqvi is a figure head for a system that has continued for decades. Each chairman bar RR was rewarded for political services. We have had Generals, Bureaucrats, money launderers, election riggers and now a thug that kills people for money.These guys have no interest in cricket bar the odd press conference and this ad hocism and lack of a proper system is the reason our system is a lottery.
Babar is the most talented player we have produced this century- Michael Vaughan said he was the 3rd best PK batter he had seen. He played against most of our modern greats bar Miandad. Maybe you can find someone neutral that thinks AA or Sharjeel are even FC level at this point in time.

 

[Bewal Express]

If you don't understand what a powerplay is or the difference in power-hitting of Babar and Asif, its better you just keep out out these technical discussions, they arnt for, just stick to the basics like cheering for Babar and Rizwan.

Should we put SSA and Naseem as openers because if the criteria is only to hit a 6 or two then they can average 10-15. It's all good saying we need to hit more sixes but when you have to also factor in is going on and actually scoring 50s and 100s( although it's rare) to put a score on the board.

 

[emranabbas]

Usman Khawaja would never have played for PK because they system is a total lottery which eats up talent and destroys it.
Naqvi is a figure head for a system that has continued for decades. Each chairman bar RR was rewarded for political services. We have had Generals, Bureaucrats, money launderers, election riggers and now a thug that kills people for money.These guys have no interest in cricket bar the odd press conference and this ad hocism and lack of a proper system is the reason our system is a lottery.
Babar is the most talented player we have produced this century- Michael Vaughan said he was the 3rd best PK batter he had seen. He played against most of our modern greats bar Miandad. Maybe you can find someone neutral that thinks AA or Sharjeel are even FC level at this point in time.

Usman Khawaja's point is based on assumptions, not facts, unless you can provide evidence to prove it. There's no need to repeat it like a parrot since it's grounded in speculation rather than factual information.


Rameez Raja was the only chairman chosen on political grounds and personal connections, not merit.
Here are the facts, not assumptions:

1. The Hindu article on Imran Khan nominating Rameez Raja
2. NDTV report on Rameez Raja considering resignation after Imran Khan's ouster

If you're going to accept Michael Vaughan’s opinions as gospel, you also need to accept his praise of Asif Ali:

• Michael Vaughan impressed with Asif Ali’s power-hitting

Also, regarding your claim that top teams won’t pick Babar Azam for their T20 team, here's Michael Vaughan you:

• Michael Vaughan on why top teams wouldn't pick Babar Azam

 

[Devadwal]

Definitely,they started well lets see how they will perform in South Africa and champion trophy.

 

[Bewal Express]

Usman Khawaja's point is based on assumptions, not facts, unless you can provide evidence to prove it. There's no need to repeat it like a parrot since it's grounded in speculation rather than factual information.


Rameez Raja was the only chairman chosen on political grounds and personal connections, not merit.
Here are the facts, not assumptions:

1. The Hindu article on Imran Khan nominating Rameez Raja
2. NDTV report on Rameez Raja considering resignation after Imran Khan's ouster

If you're going to accept Michael Vaughan’s opinions as gospel, you also need to accept his praise of Asif Ali:

• Michael Vaughan impressed with Asif Ali’s power-hitting

Also, regarding your claim that top teams won’t pick Babar Azam for their T20 team, here's Michael Vaughan you:

• Michael Vaughan on why top teams wouldn't pick Babar Azam

I accept its on assumptions but it doesn't take a rocket scientist or even someone with a mono brain cell to realise that we are 5th or sixth for a reason and bar the odd spurt, we have been for many years in ODi cricket. We last reached the ODI WC final in 1999 and before Babar took over as captain we had failed to get out of the group stages for 3 tournament in a row in T20 WCs.
So Michael Vaughan once praised AA. Look at the difference in praise. One is described as the 3rd best PK batsman and other can hit the odd six

 

[Rana]

You make points based upon a century ago.How did I personally attack you ?.

He’s right though. Your exposing yourself lack of knowledge of how the powerplay works in cricket

 

[shamaan]

He’s right though. Your exposing yourself lack of knowledge of how the powerplay works in cricket

I perfectly know how power play works and the answer isn't Asif Ali.

 

[Rana]

I perfectly know how power play works and the answer isn't Asif Ali.

What’s the answer then?

 

[Abdullah]

babar has 8 sixes in total of 70 power plays he's batted in. First powerplay is the easiest session to clear the boundary so why has it still not been done?

You didn't understand the point. A good batsman has more chance of hitting a boundary on a good ball in the power play compared to outside the powerplay.
That's why Babar should open rather than bat down the order.
Nobody talked about trying to hit sixes

 

[Abdullah]

Your best hitters bat in the powerplay too

Not true at all.
You also have to look at the composition of your team.
Miller Klassen Phillips Mitchell Surya Pandya Russell Marsh are a few examples for you

 

[Rana]

Not true at all.
You also have to look at the composition of your team.
Miller Klassen Phillips Mitchell Surya Pandya Russell Marsh are a few examples for you

You don’t constantly look to fit in 1-2 rubbish players to open for 4 years and keep failing.

 

[emranabbas]

You didn't understand the point. A good batsman has more chance of hitting a boundary on a good ball in the power play compared to outside the powerplay.
That's why Babar should open rather than bat down the order.
Nobody talked about trying to hit sixes

Statistically speaking, Babar has hit just 8 sixes across the 60 powerplays he’s played in,

In World Cup powerplays specifically, he has participated in 17 of them, facing 207 balls and hitting 22 fours but no sixes, with a dot-ball percentage of 53%.

His average in these powerplays is 30, with a strike rate of 87.

So tell me what point did I not understand?

Your saying the best batsmen should play the powerplay, as he has more chances to hit boundries so explain these stats?

Also why did the best batsmen not play the superover?

Even a blind man knows babar is wasting the powerplay and hurting the chances of Pakistan wining, he just doesn't have the ability to hit boundries on top of that he wastes too many balls as his dot percentage shows

 

[emranabbas]

I accept its on assumptions but it doesn't take a rocket scientist or even someone with a mono brain cell to realise that we are 5th or sixth for a reason and bar the odd spurt, we have been for many years in ODi cricket. We last reached the ODI WC final in 1999 and before Babar took over as captain we had failed to get out of the group stages for 3 tournament in a row in T20 WCs.
So Michael Vaughan once praised AA. Look at the difference in praise. One is described as the 3rd best PK batsman and other can hit the odd six

Understandable but the assumption would hold weight if it came from someone sensible not a blind babar fan. Or just like you said someone who even has a mono brain cell which clearly you don't have unfortunately.

Don't talk about world cups


2021: Asif Ali carried the team, without him, we wouldn’t have gotten past the group stages.

2022: Babar averaged only 17 with a strike rate of 93. We made it to the semis mainly thanks to rain and the Netherlands beating South Africa.
2 were heavily depending on other teams, think we lost to zimbabwe in that world cup

2023: horror show even Afghanistan beat usand we didn't go to semis

2024: We lost to the USA lol again no semis


So, let’s not overrate our recent World Cup performances.

So what semis are you talking about that Babar took us to?

 

[Bewal Express]

Understandable but the assumption would hold weight if it came from someone sensible not a blind babar fan. Or just like you said someone who even has a mono brain cell which clearly you don't have unfortunately.

Don't talk about world cups


2021: Asif Ali carried the team, without him, we wouldn’t have gotten past the group stages.

2022: Babar averaged only 17 with a strike rate of 93. We made it to the semis mainly thanks to rain and the Netherlands beating South Africa.
2 were heavily depending on other teams, think we lost to zimbabwe in that world cup

2023: horror show even Afghanistan beat usand we didn't go to semis

2024: We lost to the USA lol again no semis


So, let’s not overrate our recent World Cup performances.

So what semis are you talking about that Babar took us to?

I may not have a brain cell but nor do you and your hater friends. I gave you a neutral opinion on Babar, someone that doesn't have a dog in the fight. On the other hand you had him quoting that AA can hit some 6s
I rest my case

 

[emranabbas]

I may not have a brain cell but nor do you and your hater friends. I gave you a neutral opinion on Babar, someone that doesn't have a dog in the fight. On the other hand you had him quoting that AA can hit some 6s
I rest my case

No don't rest your case when your losing a argument,

he also said no team will take on Babar

And he said asif can hit sixes and Babar can't so clearly asif should be playing the powerplay in t20's

 

[Bewal Express]

No don't rest your case when your losing a argument,

he also said no team will take on Babar

And he said asif can hit sixes and Babar can't so clearly asif should be playing the powerplay in t20's

For a guy that has no alternatives bar AA, some WK that once scored 42 and a fat guy that also fixes Matches. I think I am happy to rest my case. Come back to me when you have something

 

[topspin]

And nor do the Aussie players and pundits. It's not as if they don't know their cricket. I asked you for a single source from Australians and so far nothing.

Only an idiot would come up with this methodology for rating players. This is a shocking take coming from a teacher. You’ve been given a responsibility to teach things based on evidence and you’re out here trying to convince us this 30 year old, who’s yet to produce a single memorable innings of note, that he’s “too young and too classy” and “he would walk into the Australian team”.

I did address your question and explained why it’s irrelevant. Australian pundits don’t need to embarrass him when their bowlers have already done it to him. He also embarrassed himself during the 2022 WT20, which was played in Australia. Even tail enders can score more runs at a strike rate of above a ball.

The ex-players and pundits are paid to drive traffic. As mentioned by @emranabbas if you are going to use Michael Vaughan’s recent opinion of Babar then you cannot disregard when he wrote:

The World’s best T20 teams wouldn’t pick Babar Azam​

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If we are to assume Michael Vaughan is to be taken seriously, as a knowledgable pundit, then all this means is he doesn’t rate Pakistani batsmen because on one hand he’s claiming that Babar is not worthy of playing for one the top the T20 teams and then later on say he’s one of the 3 best Pakistani batsmen of all time.

Everybody knows he’s a flip flop merchant, who can’t be taken seriously.

You’re clearly not fit to post on cricket in matters, so please do everyone a favour and stick to TP.

 

[Bewal Express]

Only an idiot would come up with this methodology for rating players. This is a shocking take coming from a teacher. You’ve been given a responsibility to teach things based on evidence and you’re out here trying to convince us this 30 year old, who’s yet to produce a single memorable innings of note, that he’s “too young and too classy” and “he would walk into the Australian team”.

I did address your question and explained why it’s irrelevant. Australian pundits don’t need to embarrass him when their bowlers have already done it to him. He also embarrassed himself during the 2022 WT20, which was played in Australia. Even tail enders can score more runs at a strike rate of above a ball.

The ex-players and pundits are paid to drive traffic. As mentioned by @emranabbas if you are going to use Michael Vaughan’s recent opinion of Babar then you cannot disregard when he wrote:

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If we are to assume Michael Vaughan is to be taken seriously, as a knowledgable pundit, then all this means is he doesn’t rate Pakistani batsmen because on one hand he’s claiming that Babar is not worthy of playing for one the top the T20 teams and then later on say he’s one of the 3 best Pakistani batsmen of all time.

Everybody knows he’s a flip flop merchant, who can’t be taken seriously.

You’re clearly not fit to post on cricket in matters, so please do everyone a favour and stick to TP.

So you have no sources and you want us to believe that actually know something. Imagine me writing an essay without quoting the contemporary experts and saying trust me because I also watch cricket. Why do you think that modern great captains like Vaughan rate him so highly? Or the current Aussie players and the retired? You are nothing compared to those guys

 

[emranabbas]

For a guy that has no alternatives bar AA, some WK that once scored 42 and a fat guy that also fixes Matches. I think I am happy to rest my case. Come back to me when you have something

When I asked you for alternative other than saim and fakhar you couldn't come up with a single name. I'm still waiting

 

[topspin]

So you have no sources and you want us to believe that actually know something. Imagine me writing an essay without quoting the contemporary experts and saying trust me because I also watch cricket. Why do you think that modern great

I don’t need to give you sources when all the stats I’ve posted are available on the public domain.

Younis Khan is my favourite Pakistan player of all time. Michael Clarke once said during a game that’s he’s “an all-time great”, which is debatable when you consider the fact that he didn’t do anywhere near as well in white ball cricket.

The difference between you and I is, I’m not going to be some moron and use Michael Clarke’s words of generosity to support my argument (if to was going to make one) about Younis Khan’s ATG credentials and I certainly wouldn’t challenge those who dispute his ATG status by demanding them to bring up views from other Australian pundits, who agree with their takes.

As a matter of fact, I have already named 2 x notable pundits, who have no interest in conforming to the consenus. They have both exposed Babar for being selfish. One of them, indirectly, claimed Babar was behind the doctored super flat wickets we saw last year.

So this means I have given you sources in addition to the facts and statistics but you have shifted the goalposts and asked for Australian pundits because you’re nothing more than Babar shill.

 

[emranabbas]

@shamaan @Bewal Express

It's OK boys you can come out of hiding

 

[Bewal Express]

@shamaan @Bewal Express

It's OK boys you can come out of hiding

I would be in hiding if I pray for PK to lose or suggest a WK that once scored 42 in a match or suggested AA as captain.

 

[emranabbas]

I would be in hiding if I pray for PK to lose or suggest a WK that once scored 42 in a match or suggested AA as captain.

Finally your back welcome bro

AA would have definitely scored more than 3 runs off 2 balls so would that wicket keeper who scored 42 not out off 18 balls

We are not joking when we say babar isn't fit for t20 he's only a odi players

 

[Bewal Express]

Finally your back welcome bro

AA would have definitely scored more than 3 runs off 2 balls so would that wicket keeper who scored 42 not out off 18 balls

We are not joking when we say babar isn't fit for t20 he's only a odi players

Yes we know he would scored 15. What does Riz average? You are comparing the great Riz (best WK in the World and a good batter) with a guy that averages 15.

And if these guys are so good why not pick them? Who is stopping you? Afterall you have your own Criminal Hulk Hogan in charge

 

[shamaan]

@shamaan @Bewal Express

It's OK boys you can come out of hiding

Have you cheered up