Will Pakistan get Covid vaccines from India?

[Napa]

But is India buying the AstraZeneca vaccine and donating it to other countries, or doing the same with Covaxin?

The Indian firm Serum Institute of India (which produces the AstraZeneca vaccine) sells its product to the Indian Government. As may be expected during the time of a pandemic, the government has a major say in who gets any vaccine manufactured in India.

 

[Napa]

The Serum Institute is just the manufacturer, yes? They are just the contractor manufacturing the product, kind of like how Foxconn is for Apple. So did GoI buy those doses from AstraZeneca and ship them to other countries for free?

There is a difference between a contractor who produces something for a foreign firm and a domestic firm that buys or licenses technology. In the former case the foreign firm owns the product, in the latter case the domestic firm owns the product. Serum Institute is an example of the latter case.

 

[Napa]

Some trickle of orders flowing, but it's for elite sections,

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Pakistan orders vaccines for parliamentarians, staff and families

There is no justification in giving the vaccine to parliamentarians and their families before the old people receive it.

 

[Buffet]

There is no justification in giving the vaccine to parliamentarians and their families before the old people receive it.

Agree here. Pretty much all countries have done the right way by giving it by age.

Anyway, separate orders from private sectors will make sure that vaccine supply will happen even if the government is not able to secure supply.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How do you know they aren't willing to take directly from India?

Because nothing of that sort has come out yet. Though some media reports say that atleast 7mn doses that Pakistan receive via Covax, will be manufactured in India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's funny and ironic how the BBC is pushing for Pakistan to get vaccines from India - its biggest adversary, a country it has a significant trust deficit with yet at the same time they fear monger about Russia and China and the west shouldn't trust their vaccines; it's like Pakistan's interests and concerns don't matter but the west are justified to have their own.

Pakistan already imports 90 per cent of its vaccines from India already. So why not the Covid vaccine?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So they have licensed AstraZeneca's vaccine. In Pakistan case, all the contracts are directly with the manufacturer, with the exception of Covax. So those vaccines could be manufactured in India, Nigeria, Ghana, Uruguay for all it matters.

That does remind - there was a thread while back that AstraZeneca vaccines would also be produced in Pakistan and BD. Perhaps Pakistan could leverage those vaccines for its own population.

In Pakistan's case, its getting vaccines from Sinopharm and Covax. Is there any other contract in place?

Out of the covax quota of 17mn that pakistan is getting, 7mn doses will be supplied by SII.

So ultimately pakistan is taking India made vaccines, but by a round about way.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Reasons may have nothing to do with politics,

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The federal government had approved AstraZeneca’s Covid-19 vaccine for emergency use in Pakistan. The Sindh Medical Stores representative said the registration had been done by Drap but his company could not get documentary approval from the authority (Drap) till date and even vaccine price could not be fixed. “However, we are not in a hurry as we could not get any guaranty from the supply line.

“As AstraZeneca vaccine is being prepared in India so India will get the vaccine first and then or meanwhile it will be given to Covax. Moreover, countries such as Nepal, Bhutan and Bangladesh have already paid in advance to get the vaccine,” he said.

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“We have very cordial relations with Serum Institute of India and we would try our best to procure it as early as possible,” he added.

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https://www.dawn.com/news/1602655/oxford-vaccine-may-cost-around-6-in-pakistan

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Govt is providing vaccines to countries which dont have advance commercial contracts, via govt to govt grants.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Indian firm Serum Institute of India (which produces the AstraZeneca vaccine) sells its product to the Indian Government. As may be expected during the time of a pandemic, the government has a major say in who gets any vaccine manufactured in India.

Any vaccine that has to be exported, needs govt export clearance.i hope there is no situation under which the govt has to block exports.

I hear EU is already considering blocking exports of vaccines.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Because nothing of that sort has come out yet. Though some media reports say that atleast 7mn doses that Pakistan receive via Covax, will be manufactured in India.

So you don't actually know that Pakistan are not willing to take directly from India, you are just assuming based on nationalist conjecture. Nothing has come out from either side, India or Pakistan. Covid vaccines are not some form of hi tech warhead to be used as leverage, if the aim is purely humanitarian, supply could be arranged through back channels by discussions initiated by either country. There is no need for finger pointing until we get a refusal from any side.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So you don't actually know that Pakistan are not willing to take directly from India, you are just assuming based on nationalist conjecture. Nothing has come out from either side, India or Pakistan. Covid vaccines are not some form of hi tech warhead to be used as leverage, if the aim is purely humanitarian, supply could be arranged through back channels by discussions initiated by either country. There is no need for finger pointing until we get a refusal from any side.

The announcement by Pakistan only mentions Sinopharm and Covax. Nothing else.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The announcement by Pakistan only mentions Sinopharm and Covax. Nothing else.

That is where they are getting their vaccines from currently, it doesn't mean that they wouldn't take from India if the opportunity was there. You are making assumptions that the lack of co-operation between India and Pakistan re Covid vaccines is down to Pakistan, but you have provided no evidence so far.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan should open a factory/lab and produce Chinese vaccine at home.

I wouldnt take any vaccine but something out of India, hell no.

 

[Napa]

Pakistan should open a factory/lab and produce Chinese vaccine at home.

I wouldnt take any vaccine but something out of India, hell no.

90% of vaccines given to Pakistani children are already from India.

 

[KingKhanWC]

90% of vaccines given to Pakistani children are already from India.

I know but those have been around for a while. Sorry but India has been involved in killing thousands of Pakistanis through proxy war. Both nations have been at some sort of proxy war for 20 years now. It makes no sense getting a new vaccine from India,vice versa.

Also Pakistan have plenty of capable people to produce vaccines in the country, just needs a big investment. It makes more sense esp since we have a Chinese vaccine which just needs to be mass produced. These vaccines are a new tech, not hardly to produce in large numbers.

 

[Napa]

I know but those have been around for a while. Sorry but India has been involved in killing thousands of Pakistanis through proxy war. Both nations have been at some sort of proxy war for 20 years now. It makes no sense getting a new vaccine from India,vice versa.

Also Pakistan have plenty of capable people to produce vaccines in the country, just needs a big investment. It makes more sense esp since we have a Chinese vaccine which just needs to be mass produced. These vaccines are a new tech, not hardly to produce in large numbers.

So you are okay with Pakistani children being vaccinated against small pox and polio using Indian vaccines because "those have been around for a while", but are "hell no" for Covid as it is a newer germ. Eminently logical I have to say, lucky Covid virus!

 

[KingKhanWC]

So you are okay with Pakistani children being vaccinated against small pox and polio using Indian vaccines because "those have been around for a while", but are "hell no" for Covid as it is a newer germ. Eminently logical I have to say, lucky Covid virus!

Its up to them and even this vaccine is their decision , not mine. Im just giving my pov. We dont know the long term side effects of these new mrna vaccines. You cannot even take the vaccine creators/manufactures to court in damages if your health is ruined. India doesnt want to sell vaccines to Pakistan because they like the people, they want to make money. Pak could spend less and produce their own, the Chinese could come over and within a couple of weeks build factory labs and train staff. MRNA vaccines can be produced on mass quickly, it's not a big issue.

 

[Nadeemp]

90% of vaccines given to Pakistani children are already from India.

Is that true?

 

[Napa]

Is that true?

That's what the BBC article in the OP says.

 

[Lonewarrior]

not gonna happen, read the indian comments ....

 

[Dingolfy]

not gonna happen, read the indian comments ....

I don’t think any govt would care for what internet trolls say.

 

[Lonewarrior]

I don’t think any govt would care for what internet trolls say.

and as i said before, we have other options available, we wont ask from India for Covid vaccine .....

 

[ahsan17]

So it looks like the 60% figure peddled by India, i.e. that 60% of all vaccines are manufactured in India, is a lie. This figure has been peddled many times by certain people on this forum as well.

https://m.thewire.in/article/health...imated-indias-capacity-to-make-covid-vaccines

Do read close to the end of the article is it goes into great detail.