Will Pakistan qualify for the 2019 World Cup semi-finals?

[Spin Master]

Pakistan is almost OUT of the WC. No chance

 

[TalhaSyed]

Sorry - what?

If I'm not mistaken we are talking about post 119 here right?

Ahhh ok yea - i missed that.

Yea it's a possibility - but I'm struggling to see NZ losing 4 out of their last 5 games.

 

[par]

If at all Pakistan makes it into semis, they will most probably face India. I can't wait

 

[xbronze]

Here we go boys game by game
This is what needs to happen.

West Indies vs Bangladesh, Match 23 - Bang
England vs Afghanistan, Match 24 - Eng
New Zealand vs South Africa, Match 25 - SA
Australia vs Bangladesh, Match 26 - Aus
England vs Sri Lanka, Match 27 - Eng
India vs Afghanistan, Match 28 - Ind
West Indies vs New Zealand, Match 29 - WI
Pakistan vs South Africa, Match 30 - Pak
Bangladesh vs Afghanistan, Match 31 - Bang
England vs Australia, Match 32 - Eng
New Zealand vs Pakistan, Match 33 - Pak
West Indies vs India, Match 34 - Ind
Sri Lanka vs South Africa, Match 35 - SA
Pakistan vs Afghanistan, Match 36 - Pak
New Zealand vs Australia, Match 37 - NZ
England vs India, Match 38 - Doesn’t matter
Sri Lanka vs West Indies, Match 39 - WI
Bangladesh vs India, Match 40 - India
England vs New Zealand, Match 41 - Eng
Afghanistan vs West Indies, Match 42 - WI
Pakistan vs Bangladesh, Match 43 - Pak
Sri Lanka vs India, Match 44 - Ind
Australia vs South Africa, Match 45 - SA

Bang 9 points
Windies 9 points
SA- 9 points
Aus- 10 points
NZ- 9 points
Pak 11 points

The most implausible results out of the above look like our games!!!!

The main games I feel are the NZ and Aus games, as we need them to NOT get to 11 points.

We are fans so we have to pray/hope/believe

@mehndi
[MENTION=136383]MSaad[/MENTION]
[MENTION=51324]aqeelPK[/MENTION]

You know things are bad for Pakistan cricket when... the only way for Pakistan to make it to the semis requires Afghanistan to lose all its remaining matches

 

[DeadlyYorker]

You know things are bad for Pakistan cricket when... the only way for Pakistan to make it to the semis requires Afghanistan to lose all its remaining matches

So far 1st match WI looking good to win , funny when need everymatch to be in thier favour first match is laughing in thier face

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

Truth is bitter. We have no chance. Just hope that india will not win WC. That will be moral victory for many people.

 

[Abdullah]

The key game is Pak vs NZ

Pakistan needs to beat SA, Afg & Bang - which given SAs fork in this competition shouldn't be an issue inshallah

NZ needs to lose to Aus & Eng - which given Aus and Engs form shouldn't be an issue inshallah

After that if Pak beats NZ both teams will end on 11 points and NRR comes into it

There are alternatives here, we could back NZ when they play Aus , should Bangladesh beat Aus on Friday. ( Again very possible of bang bat first)

 

[Abdullah]

So far 1st match WI looking good to win , funny when need everymatch to be in thier favour first match is laughing in thier face

There are alternatives, if WI win today , then lose to NZ, we can hope NZ beat Aus instead , and then Aus are on the brink too

 

[Abdullah]

Absolutely spot on. You have got it absolutely right with what needs to happen for Pakistan to qualify.

Can someone make this post of Abdullah's a sticky as we can then follow and keep tabs on Pakistan's likelihood of qualifying based on Abdullah's excellent forecast game by game?

I will redo 1 before Paks game, as things will be clearer then, and there is more than 1 way to skin this cat
Take today for example if WI win but then lose to NZ, we can support NZ in their game against Aus .
I also have a feeling that bang are going to beat Aus

 

[Jeetlodil]

Will Pakistan make it will be answered once the league round is over or Pakistan loses another league game whichever is earlier

 

[Abdullah]

Your scenarios are for Pakistan ending up ahead of both Australia and NZ, they need to be ahead of only one of those two. Most likely it will be NZ rather than Australia who will be eliminated if Pakistan makes it to the SFs.

Yes so there is room to manoeuvre within this. Except for us . We have to win all

 

[ar2020]

I think we can still qualify. Just have to beat SA next match. Then view NZ match as a QF. Last two matches are winnable.

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

Fake hopes all over the place. We are pathetic. We are out of WC. Come in to the reality.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

Time to give up on negativity, we will win the 2019 WC

 

[Afridi96]

Ahhh ok yea - i missed that.

Yea it's a possibility - but I'm struggling to see NZ losing 4 out of their last 5 games.

Assuming we win our next 4 games, NZ will have to lose to England and Australia which is likely and then lose or draw against one of SA/NZ. Which doesn’t look to bad (rain predicted for NZ Vs SA)

 

[TalhaSyed]

Assuming we win our next 4 games, NZ will have to lose to England and Australia which is likely and then lose or draw against one of SA/NZ. Which doesn’t look to bad (rain predicted for NZ Vs SA)

Yea there are a few otions there.

I also feel like NZ haven't really been tested yet.

Will be interesting to see how they perform against the stronger teams in the competition.

I think they will do well - but will be interesting to see if that is the case.

 

[TalhaSyed]

There are alternatives here, we could back NZ when they play Aus , should Bangladesh beat Aus on Friday. ( Again very possible of bang bat first)

Yea to be honest there are still a lot of games to play so a lot of different options.

If Im not wrong I think every team apart from Afg can still qualify for the Semi's. Infact - with rain I think even Afg can still qualify for the semis.

 

[Afridi96]

Yea there are a few otions there.

I also feel like NZ haven't really been tested yet.

Will be interesting to see how they perform against the stronger teams in the competition.

I think they will do well - but will be interesting to see if that is the case.

Yh exactly.

Also most Pakistani fans would have expected 3 losses for Pakistan anyways (rained out game vs Sri Lanka was unfortunate) so i still think Pakistan has a decent chance.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Yh exactly.

Also most Pakistani fans would have expected 3 losses for Pakistan anyways (rained out game vs Sri Lanka was unfortunate) so i still think Pakistan has a decent chance.

Yup lets see how things unfold inshAllah

 

[wasiqwaqar]

whats the updated scenario?

 

[PakLFC]

NZ defeating RSA has almost eliminated us from the tournament. Pak, RSA, Afghanistan and the West Indies are almost out off it. Pak does not deserve to be in the semi's, we have a terrible run rate as well that is gonna make it even harder for us to qualify.

 

[I think therfore I am]

In 92 WC rain saved Pak. In 2019 WC rain eliminates Pak, simple as that.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

In 92 WC rain saved Pak. In 2019 WC rain eliminates Pak, simple as that.

If Pakistan goes on to win all their matches, they will be on 11 points and if Australia loses all their remaining matches they will be on 10 points after beating Bangladesh of-course. But then again South Africa needs to beat Australia. Last 5 matches between the two sides SAF 4 AUS 1. So Pakistan can still qualify.

 

[I think therfore I am]

One can only hope

 

[PakWarrior]

Pakistan now has a 20% chance of making it to the Semis.

After NZ beating South Africa and Australia beating Bangladesh, it is now an absolute given the Pakistan must win all four games.

BUT with the above two victories for Australia and New Zealand and if you look at the remaining fixtures of NZ, Aus, India and England it is almost certain that these 4 teams will probably lose a maximum of two games only(each)

Australia now only need 1 victory to qualify.

NZ need to win 2 more wins to qualify but only a single victory should take them through.

England need two more victories.

India need a minimum of 2 victories to qualify.

SO We must now hope that England and India win 1 more game each only and lose the rest. Highly unlikely.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

I think India has to play really bad to not win two matches from Afg, Bangladesh, Lanka and WI even if we assume that they will loose to England

 

[MenInG]

Getting tougher by each match but victory against SA will give them renewed hope

 

[Afhan Ali]

Highly unlikely
I think match against SA will make our job easier.

Expecting a defeat against SA

 

[Snatch]

No chance in my opinion because I can't see Pakistan beating South Africa to start with.

Even though South Africa are struggling, they're still a stronger team than Pakistan.

 

[wasiqwaqar]

Pakistan can win SA if they bat first. Hopefully Haris comes in for Malik

 

[iky]

Have Pakistan still got a chance?

I know I may be getting carried away but after England defeat to Sri Lanka is there still hope for us?

England still have to play Australia India New Zealand Pakistan has to win all there 4 matches but there is still hope I can see a major twist coming

 

[DeadBall]

Yes, all we can do is believe. The time for negativity can come later. We got a pretty empty schedule for the next few months to take out all the dil ki bharas then.

 

[Obaidd]

Haris for Malik and Shaheen for Hassan.
I would consider only the match against Afg as easy. BD are in great form. Especially their batters.

 

[MSHKing]

Muhammad Nawaz is far better bowler and batsmen then Imad. He should have been there. Faheem Ashraf and Junaid should have been there as well. Inzi could not take the pressure from media and selected the team. Look at the pitches now. Faheem Ashraf would have been golden on slow pitches. Rizwan should have been included instead Malik. Better feilder and even better batsmen

 

[shockbound]

I know I may be getting carried away but after England defeat to Sri Lanka is there still hope for us?

England still have to play Australia India New Zealand Pakistan has to win all there 4 matches but there is still hope I can see a major twist coming

Rain!

 

[MSHKing]

I know I may be getting carried away but after England defeat to Sri Lanka is there still hope for us?

England still have to play Australia India New Zealand Pakistan has to win all there 4 matches but there is still hope I can see a major twist coming

YUP!!!
1. Pak need to win all the games
2. Other teams play bad.
Lets just say Pak win all 4.
SC
If Eng lose 2 out of 3 Pak go through.
If NZ win 1 game and Eng qualify, then it will decided on RR
Aus lose all games, Pak go through.

Bottom line is Pak needs to win all 4 and hope for the best. Aus vs NZ, and Eng vs NZ will be good games. If WI win tomorrow against NZ, group will become wide open. We wont be able to predict.

 

[maqbool]

Whether they will, I dont know, but it is possible from here.

1. Pakistan has to win 4 games in a row to get 11 points. (This has to happen)
AFG and SA are already out, and Pakistan winning run will knock Bangladesh out.
WI and SL also need to win all their remaining games to qualify, lets assume they dont.

Thus Pakistan needs to replace on of AUS, ENG, IND, NZ to qualify.

a) Australia (10) : Need to lose all 3 games Vs ENG, NZ, SA.... possible...but unlikely.
b) India (7): Should not win more than 2 games against AFG, WI, ENG, BAN, SL, and have a poorer run rate. Very very unlikely...
c) NewZealand (9): Should not win more than 1 game Vs WI, AUS and ENG and have a poorer run rate....possible...
d) England (8): SHould not win more than 1 game against AUS, IND, NZ. Most likely scenario

Basically if Pakistan win all 4 and England or NZ stutter, its possible to qualify

 

[Napa]

Basically at this point every game is a knockout game for Pakistan. Win 4 games in a row and you are possibly in the SFs. Win 2 more after than and you have the WC trophy.

 

[MMHS]

PAK can do that, but they have to match their last 1.5 years, in next 4 games - that's winning 4 games against WC opponents, which before WC, they did against AFG, NZ, SAF & SAF since December 2017. Interestingly, 3 of the next 4 opponents are also SAF, AFG & NZ ....................

 

[Dr_Bassim]

PAK can do that, but they have to match their last 1.5 years, in next 4 games - that's winning 4 games against WC opponents, which before WC, they did against AFG, NZ, SAF & SAF since December 2017. Interestingly, 3 of the next 4 opponents are also SAF, AFG & NZ ....................

Pakistan arent good enough to win 4 out of 4.

Even Bangladesh will give them a run for their money.

 

[MMHS]

Pakistan arent good enough to win 4 out of 4.

Even Bangladesh will give them a run for their money.

I think, I wrote you about 6 months back that on 5th July, I'll put money for BD to beat PAK. Still stand on that, but PAK can win the day as well.

 

[mon858]

We need to stop saying 4 games in a row. Need to simply think of them as 4 separate games. On paper based on current team performance, form, averages, etc they should be able to best a depleted South Africa, and regular Afghanistan and Bangladesh (though could get tough). The main issue could be NZ where they will have to work hard to dismiss Williamson and Taylor early and not drop their catches

 

[boomboomcheema]

Can Pakistan edge past England to qualify for the Semi Finals?

England look the most vulnerable among all the stronger teams.

England is currently at 8 Points from 6 matches, with a match left against India, Australia & New Zealand - teams who have almost qualified for the Semis.

So if England just loses 2 matches out of 3 , then they will be at 10 points.

And if Pakistan wins all matches they will be at 11 points.

Or

If England lose all matches they will remain at 8 points and Pakistan can afford to lose one match and win 3 matches out of 4 to reach 10 points and qualify for Semis.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

If we win all 4 and England lose 2. The former is highly unlikely

If we win 3 and England lose all. Both are highly unlikely

 

[big_gamer007]

Pakistan need to focus on one game at a time and win it. Stop worrying about what other teams are doing else it will create unnecessary pressure

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan have to win at least 3 (preferably 4) and England must not win any. Pakistan can go through then. This is assuming other teams (BD, SL etc.) don't make superior progresses.

 

[boomboomcheema]

If we win all 4 and England lose 2. The former is highly unlikely

If we win 3 and England lose all. Both are highly unlikely

England is definitely capable of losing against India and Australia, Lets be honest they have lost to Pakistan as well as Sri Lanka compared to whom India and Australia are much stronger teams.

If Pakistan somehow win today then they will definitely start believing in their chances.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Pakistan need to focus on one game at a time and win it. Stop worrying about what other teams are doing else it will create unnecessary pressure

Yeah it's not about Pakistan team to worry about. Was just assessing the scenarios as a fan.

 

[Mamoon]

Hopefully not. Pakistan deserves to go home in the group stage. It will be a complete mockery of the game if they somehow fluke their way into the semis, after playing pathetic cricket for so long.

If England miss out, it will be a terrible tragedy. They have worked so hard to build a world beating side for 4 years, and they were horribly unlucky against Sri Lanka.

India is the only team that deserves to eliminate England from the World Cup and vice versa. That is why the world deserves to see a final between these two sides, but even a semifinal would be great.

 

[AutoCrat]

If Pakistan win today, Pak vs BD will be a cracker of a match, both teams would be desperate to win.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Hopefully not. Pakistan deserves to go home in the group stage. It will be a complete mockery of the game if they somehow fluke their way into the semis, after playing pathetic cricket for so long.

If England miss out, it will be a terrible tragedy. They have worked so hard to build a world beating side for 4 years, and they were horribly unlucky against Sri Lanka.

India is the only team that deserves to eliminate England from the World Cup and vice versa. That is why the world deserves to see a final between these two sides, but even a semifinal would be great.

If pak go through then that means they deserved it. If eng can't even win 1 game out of 3 then they just don't deserve to go to the semis.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Can we focus on winning just one game at the moment?

 

[Rafa]

Hopefully not. Pakistan deserves to go home in the group stage. It will be a complete mockery of the game if they somehow fluke their way into the semis, after playing pathetic cricket for so long.

If England miss out, it will be a terrible tragedy. They have worked so hard to build a world beating side for 4 years, and they were horribly unlucky against Sri Lanka.

India is the only team that deserves to eliminate England from the World Cup and vice versa. That is why the world deserves to see a final between these two sides, but even a semifinal would be great.

Why are you always posting against Pakistan ? Have you ever supported the country and the team ?

 

[Mamoon]

If pak go through then that means they deserved it. If eng can't even win 1 game out of 3 then they just don't deserve to go to the semis.

Pakistan is incapable of beating New Zealand unless they get lucky. The gulf between the sides is considerable, and we don’t deserve any luck at this stage.

 

[BDfanforever]

If pak go through then that means they deserved it. If eng can't even win 1 game out of 3 then they just don't deserve to go to the semis.

Eng needs to win at least 2 out of 3 to guarantee semi spot. Winning just 1 game could still see them lose out to SRL/BD/Pak possibly.

You need minimum 11 points to progress.

 

[Mamoon]

Why are you always posting against Pakistan ? Have you ever supported the country and the team ?

Won’t talk about the country because it is off-topic. As far as the team is concerned, I support the team but I can no longer support mediocrity. I am sick and tired of Pakistan’s inability to become a dominant team.

 

[nandanraj]

Hopefully not...but wierd things have happened in cricket

 

[Ronaldo7]

Pakistan is incapable of beating New Zealand unless they get lucky. The gulf between the sides is considerable, and we don’t deserve any luck at this stage.

There's not much gulf between Pak and Nz.
Incapable is a way OTT word to use. If you were talking about ind or Eng I would agree but NZ? Nah.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

4 out of 4 ? I hope they atleast win against Afghanistan.

 

[DRsohail]

Hopefully not. Pakistan deserves to go home in the group stage. It will be a complete mockery of the game if they somehow fluke their way into the semis, after playing pathetic cricket for so long.

If England miss out, it will be a terrible tragedy. They have worked so hard to build a world beating side for 4 years, and they were horribly unlucky against Sri Lanka.

India is the only team that deserves to eliminate England from the World Cup and vice versa. That is why the world deserves to see a final between these two sides, but even a semifinal would be great.

England played terrible cricket against srilanka . they were not unlucky.

 

[Babbar]

Bangla has a chance to edge England, not Pakistan. Ind-Ban match is at the end of league matches. If India wins the remaining three, it won’t have much motivation to play hard and win against BD. And get Eng out of the way from the knockout round.

 

[Mamoon]

England played terrible cricket against srilanka . they were not unlucky.

The dismissals of Bairstow and Root were very unlucky. On the same pitch, England will easily beat the 9th ranked team 9 out of 10 times.

 

[Mamoon]

There's not much gulf between Pak and Nz.
Incapable is a way OTT word to use. If you were talking about ind or Eng I would agree but NZ? Nah.

Since Jan 2018, Pakistan and New Zealand have played 8 ODIs. New Zealand have won 6 and Pakistan have won 1.

I used Jan 2018 as a cut-off point because both sides have been unchanged since.

 

[PakWarrior]

Simple Equation now.

Pakistan go through to semis if:

England lose two out of their remaining 3 games AND Pakistan win all 4.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Since Jan 2018, Pakistan and New Zealand have played 8 ODIs. New Zealand have won 6 and Pakistan have won 1.

I used Jan 2018 as a cut-off point because both sides have been unchanged since.

That was coz of their 5-0 win over is in jan 2018. We just couldn't adapt to the conditions. They lost 4-1 against India at home. This shows that they're no world beaters.
We nearly won against them in the UAE as well.

 

[BDfanforever]

Since Jan 2018, Pakistan and New Zealand have played 8 ODIs. New Zealand have won 6 and Pakistan have won 1.

I used Jan 2018 as a cut-off point because both sides have been unchanged since.

Outside of NZ swinging conditions, they are pretty beatable to be honest. Even we have like 82% win ratio against them in the last decade outside of NZ.

 

[Mamoon]

That was coz of their 5-0 win over is in jan 2018. We just couldn't adapt to the conditions. They lost 4-1 against India at home. This shows that they're no world beaters.
We nearly won against them in the UAE as well.

It wasn’t about the conditions, they are simply a better side. India is a phenomenal team and clearly better than them. If New Zealand’s 4-5 key players bring their A game, Pakistan don’t stand a chance.

 

[Mamoon]

Outside of NZ swinging conditions, they are pretty beatable to be honest. Even we have like 82% win ratio against them in the last decade outside of NZ.

New Zealand were our punching bags till the mid 2000’s. However, in the last 6-7 years, they have been a different side. They have become quite ruthless.

We lost to them in the UAE in 2009 and 2014, we lost to them in Champions Trophy 2009 and World Cup 2011, we also lost to them in New Zealand in 2015, 2016 and 2018.

The only good result for Pakistan was the series win right before the 2011 World Cup. Apart from that, they have dominated us for quite some time now.

Historically though, we have been too good for them, especially during Akhtar’s peak. He scared the living daylights out of them around 2001-2002.

 

[Ronaldo7]

It wasn’t about the conditions, they are simply a better side. India is a phenomenal team and clearly better than them. If New Zealand’s 4-5 key players bring their A game, Pakistan don’t stand a chance.

Nz are no doubt a better side than pak but claiming that pak are incapable of beating them sounds, with all due respect, idiotic

 

[BDfanforever]

New Zealand were our punching bags till the mid 2000’s. However, in the last 6-7 years, they have been a different side. They have become quite ruthless.

We lost to them in the UAE in 2009 and 2014, we lost to them in Champions Trophy 2009 and World Cup 2011, we also lost to them in New Zealand in 2015, 2016 and 2018.

The only good result for Pakistan was the series win right before the 2011 World Cup. Apart from that, they have dominated us for quite some time now.

Historically though, we have been too good for them, especially during Akhtar’s peak. He scared the living daylights out of them around 2001-2002.

Ooh ok good to know. I will go check out that record when I get a chance during Akhtar time. I remember even Umar Gul was pretty good against them.

 

[Mueez]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] would England deserve to go through to the semis if they lose to Australia, India and New Zealand?

 

[Mamoon]

Nz are no doubt a better side than pak but claiming that pak are incapable of beating them sounds, with all due respect, idiotic

Pakistan is incapable of beating England, India, Australia and New Zealand. These sides are far better and far more professional. The only way we can beat them is if they have a meltdown or if we get lucky.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] would England deserve to go through to the semis if they lose to Australia, India and New Zealand?

Definitely not, but I back them to win at least 2 out of 3.

 

[Mueez]

Definitely not, but I back them to win at least 2 out of 3.

Okay thanks!

Interesting times ahead.

Some very exciting matches.

 

[indismart]

If they are able to beat South Africa then I think they would.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I would have thought at least one of these games will end up a washout so that will probably make all these permutations pointless anyway. The sides who are less dependent on every result going their way will go through, and Pakistan are not one of those.

 

[Khanusman1]

Road to semis

Alhamdulilah guys we played good today. Now all we need to do is somehow manage a win against New Zealand. Then we will have our momentum. Then we should beat both bd and afghan bros by 150 runs +. This would then take us to semis. We just need to make sure Amir and Wahab run through bd and afghan. Our batting isnt a worry against them because their bowling are very weak. Inshallah we got this.

 

[azimiqbal]

I don’t see us beating Bangladesh by 150 runs, problem am seeing with Pakistan team is third seamer and fielding is horrible.

 

[MenInG]

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[uak92]

Alhamdulilah guys we played good today. Now all we need to do is somehow manage a win against New Zealand. Then we will have our momentum. Then we should beat both bd and afghan bros by 150 runs +. This would then take us to semis. We just need to make sure Amir and Wahab run through bd and afghan. Our batting isnt a worry against them because their bowling are very weak. Inshallah we got this.

Shouldn't this be the road to WorldCup? Whole of Pakistan wants to just qualify for the Semis. They should instead look to win the WorldCup and not just qualify.