Will Pakistan qualify for the 2019 World Cup semi-finals?

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan still in with a chance of qualifying but South Africa now cannot qualify for the semi-finals <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSA</a> <a href="https://t.co/WICO1TrOur">pic.twitter.com/WICO1TrOur</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1142848505813319681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Mamoon]

The only road is to Heathrow. This was a good win against a terrible team, but we have no chance of qualifying for the semifinals. The top 4 will stay as it is.

 

[rhony]

SA lost to everybody out there but nevertheless this was a much needed win for Pak. I don't see Pak winning against NZ and BD though. As expected, it will be India vs Aus, Eng vs NZ in the SF. AUS and Eng will play the final with AUS winning the cup

 

[Kianig89]

Pakistan have a slimmest of chance or really a chance its like more of a chance but still a chance

 

[Ronaldo7]

SA lost to everybody out there but nevertheless this was a much needed win for Pak. I don't see Pak winning against NZ and BD though. As expected, it will be India vs Aus, Eng vs NZ in the SF. AUS and Eng will play the final with AUS winning the cup

You don't see them winning against bd? Seriously?

 

[Sarwar89]

Pakistan needs to win 3 remaining matches before even thinking about any other scenario.

 

[CricketDon]

Beat New Zealand. We will qualify.

We’d beat Bangladesh and Afghanistan and end up on 11 points.

England will lose to India and New Zealand. Australia game is 50/50.

Pakistan should focus solely on New Zealand and forget run rates and any other possibility.

 

[RainStopsPlay]

Beat New Zealand. We will qualify.

We’d beat Bangladesh and Afghanistan and end up on 11 points.

England will lose to India and New Zealand. Australia game is 50/50.

Pakistan should focus solely on New Zealand and forget run rates and any other possibility.

You're not winning against BD!

 

[rhony]

You don't see them winning against bd? Seriously?

None of us actually did for years actually. BD won the last 4 or 5 times both teams played. BD is actually at their strongest now too.

 

[JibranAnsari]

if england win two more matches , tournament is over for bd , pak and windies.


sl may still have a chance if they win their matches with good rr.

 

[Slog]

Pakistan is incapable of beating England, India, Australia and New Zealand. These sides are far better and far more professional. The only way we can beat them is if they have a meltdown or if we get lucky.

To be honest we played a good game against Australia and the sides were fairly evenly matched. If we’d taken basic catches probably would have won.

Not saying we are equal but the game suggests that the gulf is not wide and on a basic level it’s a fair comparison.

Honestly I feel we’ve done better than expected so far this World Cup and only the West Indies game has been a big setback and unexpected result. If the Sri Lankan game wasn’t washed out I would have backed us to beat them and then we’d be doing well on the points table. India was expected loss and even there I think we were competitive for 70-75 of the overs

 

[Ronaldo7]

None of us actually did for years actually. BD won the last 4 or 5 times both teams played. BD is actually at their strongest now too.

Can people stop talking about those 4 wins???????????

3 out of those 4 were in 2015 FGS. STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM.

 

[Ronaldo7]

You're not winning against BD!

Gonna thrash them. Easily.

 

[BakuGM]

The only road is to Heathrow. This was a good win against a terrible team, but we have no chance of qualifying for the semifinals. The top 4 will stay as it is.

OK this is posting material, I will repost on 26th June when we beat New Zealand, inshallah.

 

[amvbfm]

Will need one of the top four to drop out. India are unlikely to lose out on a spot while NZ are already on 11 and it is also unlikely that their NRR will drop below Pakistan's. Australia need to lose all of their three matches for Pakistan to have a chance and that too seems rather unlikely.

The most likely scenario therefore is for England to lose 2 of their 3 matches and Pakistan to win their remaining matches. SL too will need to lose one of their remaining matches for this scenario to work. So 1)win all three matches 2) Eng lose 2 matches 3)SL lose one match

 

[angeldsoul]

Actually if pak win next 3 and deliver a phainta
To Afghanistan we could easily end up with better nrr
Then nz If they somehow lost next 3

In fact interesting scenario would be
If England win only 1 of next 2 and nz lose next 2 then on last game we could qualify with either team winning. And possibly on nrr if nz lose along as we win next 3

 

[BakuGM]

The only scenario Pakistan needs to work on is winning the remaining 3 games and the rest will take care of itself.

 

[Suleiman]

Peaking at the right time

 

[aloo paratha]

Most likely scenario is that England loses at least 2 of their next 3 and Pakistan wins all 3 remaining games. We can also make it with 2 wins from the remaining games if England manages to lose all 3.

 

[big_gamer007]

I have a feeling Pakistan will win this world cup. Bookies will become super rich if that happens

 

[Hasan123]

It's unlikely we will qualify.

 

[BaankeJi]

Congratulations to Pakistan for win against SA.
3 more to go!

 

[LegendAli]

I have a feeling Pakistan will win this world cup. Bookies will become super rich if that happens

I have a feeling India will win the World Cup, they're not going to lose a game from here on and dominate the finals to a massive victory.

 

[pakistani pride]

None of us actually did for years actually. BD won the last 4 or 5 times both teams played. BD is actually at their strongest now too.

This is soo funny. Its 4 wins and 3 are from 2015...

 

[The streak is Alive]

I know it is mathematically possible, but I don't see Pakistan qualifying. England are too good to lose 2 of their next 3 games.

And one would have to say that it would be a fair reflection of the kind of cricket Pakistan has played 5 / 6th position finish on the points table.

 

[Kroll]

To be honest we played a good game against Australia and the sides were fairly evenly matched. If we’d taken basic catches probably would have won.

Not saying we are equal but the game suggests that the gulf is not wide and on a basic level it’s a fair comparison.

Honestly I feel we’ve done better than expected so far this World Cup and only the West Indies game has been a big setback and unexpected result. If the Sri Lankan game wasn’t washed out I would have backed us to beat them and then we’d be doing well on the points table. India was expected loss and even there I think we were competitive for 70-75 of the overs

It's a problem we seem to have in every match we play.

 

[Ronaldo7]

This is soo funny. Its 4 wins and 3 are from 2015...

People just look at numbers but never the context...

 

[Stewie]

We need to ply out of or skin to beat NZ

If we manage to do that, all bets are off. The Indian team can come out lay wearing BD shirts and we will still win (just don’t tell them it’s India)

The fate of this campaign now depends on the next game .. as well as a hopefully few England losses. Preferably against Ind and Aus ..

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

This is what teams need to do to qualify:

1. Newzealand: Win one game (currently on 11: 13 is safe)
2. Australia: Win one game and hope Sl/BD don't end at 12 (currently on 10: 12 can be safe, 13 is safe)
3. India: Win two games (currently 9, 13 is safe but has 4 games left and two against asian sides)
4. England: Win two games and hope Sri lanka doesn't win three games (currently at 8, need 12 to be 100 percent safe)
5. Srilanka / Bangla (Win all three and hope 1,2,3,4 do not corss 12)
6. Pakistan: Win all three games and hope one of the top four teams has bad meltdown and that BD/Srl don't replace them)

West Indies have an even slimmer chance than Pak but mathematically they still in it.

Let's just first beat Nzl inshAllah and see what happens next.

 

[rhony]

People just look at numbers but never the context...

What context? Pak's campaign has been up and down with no plan. Get blasted by WI , win against Eng, lose badly against Ind, win against SA. Look at BD's campaign. They have improved with every game and their batting seems to be one the best in the WC.

 

[Ronaldo7]

What context? Pak's campaign has been up and down with no plan. Get blasted by WI , win against Eng, lose badly against Ind, win against SA. Look at BD's campaign. They have improved with every game and their batting seems to be one the best in the WC.

Last time I checked the table, pak and bd both had the same amount of wins and points.
Improved every game? Well done . They beat the 9th ranked team well done. It was our bad day that we lost to wi. They've gotten thrashed by eng. Their bowling is minnow level. I don't understand where all of this hype is coming from.
They've been the same as pak in the WC

 

[The_Odd_One]

Excuses are running out for England. If they lose two more matches against India, New Zealand, and Australia, they will rightly fail to qualify for the semis.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Excuses are running out for England. If they lose two more matches against India, New Zealand, and Australia, they will rightly fail to qualify for the semis.

I believe if they lose against aus, India will streamroll eng. Eng just can't take pressure.

 

[hitthestump]

This win against SA was good, but were any of the below issues addressed today?

1. Imam's game can only ever go up to 3rd gear, nothing more
2. Babar cannot finish a game off
3. Safaraz's role as a batsman is still unknown
4. Whoever shares the new ball with Amir is taking off all the pressure that Amir puts on
5. Bowlers 4, 5 and 6 cannot buy a wicket
6. Sub par fielding and dropped catches galore

It was a good win but in my opinion absolutely nothing has changed, Pak will still fall deservedly short.

 

[Deewana]

Lets not get too ahead of ourselves

I have seen alot of chest thumping by our fans since the victory vs South Africa
A kind reminder, that we still have to win the next 3 matches

vs Nz
Unbeaten this tournament (and yeah defeating an undefeated Nz side in 92 has nothing to do with current side)
and a kind reminder that we have won just 1 of last 10 completed ODIs vs Nz

vs Afghanistan
a Side thar defeated us in warm up and ran us extremely close in Asia cup and yeah almost defeated tournament favourites India, so no cakewalk either

vs Bangladesh
a team who has troubled everyone and defeated us in our last 4 Odis


And even if we somehow win these 3 matches which is almost impossible looking at our recent form
then we need England to lose atleast 2 matches out of Next 3 (our most probable way to reach SFs)
Vs Aus (a side they defeated 5-0 and 4-1 recently)
vs Ind (a side they defeated 2-1)
vs Nz (a side they defeated 3-2 in Nz)


So the conclusion is we hardly have a 5% chance to reach SFs

 

[slipcatch]

I have seen alot of chest thumping by our fans since the victory vs South Africa
A kind reminder, that we still have to win the next 3 matches

vs Nz
Unbeaten this tournament (and yeah defeating an undefeated Nz side in 92 has nothing to do with current side)
and a kind reminder that we have won just 1 of last 10 completed ODIs vs Nz

vs Afghanistan
a Side thar defeated us in warm up and ran us extremely close in Asia cup and yeah almost defeated tournament favourites India, so no cakewalk either

vs Bangladesh
a team who has troubled everyone and defeated us in our last 4 Odis


And even if we somehow win these 3 matches which is almost impossible looking at our recent form
then we need England to lose atleast 2 matches out of Next 3 (our most probable way to reach SFs)
Vs Aus (a side they defeated 5-0 and 4-1 recently)
vs Ind (a side they defeated 2-1)
vs Nz (a side they defeated 3-2 in Nz)


So the conclusion is we hardly have a 5% chance to reach SFs

England is going to lose 2 out of those three games.

I can't say anything about Pakistan making it to semi-final.

 

[Syed1]

Well there is always that one guy who takes up the mantle of being the debby downer

 

[Mamoon]

To be honest we played a good game against Australia and the sides were fairly evenly matched. If we’d taken basic catches probably would have won.

Not saying we are equal but the game suggests that the gulf is not wide and on a basic level it’s a fair comparison.

Honestly I feel we’ve done better than expected so far this World Cup and only the West Indies game has been a big setback and unexpected result. If the Sri Lankan game wasn’t washed out I would have backed us to beat them and then we’d be doing well on the points table. India was expected loss and even there I think we were competitive for 70-75 of the overs

Australia handed the game to us on a platter but we are too poor to capitalize. Anyway, I think our campaign was done and dusted in the very first game. Losing to West Indies isn’t the end of the world, but we completely destroyed our NRR. We have been walking a tightrope since.

It is wishful thinking to believe that we can sneak into the semifinals. There are still 15 group games to go and we need pretty much every result in our favor. It is not happening.

 

[rhony]

People just look at numbers but never the context...

What context? Pak's campaign has been up and down with no plan. Get blasted by WI , win against Eng, lose badly against Ind, win against SA. Look at BD's campaign. They have improved with every game and their batting seems to be one the best in the WC.

 

[rhony]

Last time I checked the table, pak and bd both had the same amount of wins and points.
Improved every game? Well done . They beat the 9th ranked team well done. It was our bad day that we lost to wi. They've gotten thrashed by eng. Their bowling is minnow level. I don't understand where all of this hype is coming from.
They've been the same as pak in the WC

Their plan all along has been to come close to big teams, beat WI, SL, Pak, Afg and slay one of the Giants. They are going to run India close, beat Afg and will beat Pak. Pak will the one under pressure in that game. BD's batting is way more consistent than Pak's.

 

[barah_admi]

Pak just need to concentrate on winning and hope that Eng drop points against Ind and Aus.

 

[topspin]

I can't see NZ, Aus and India crashing out. England losing 2 of their 3 next games is what we have to hope for, however there is more chance that they will bounce back and go on to win all their remaining fixtures than lost most of them.

We really had a golden chance to beat the Aussies, who were below par, but Pakistan are so awful they can't even beat them on a bad day!

 

[Jin Chacha]

To be honest we played a good game against Australia and the sides were fairly evenly matched. If we’d taken basic catches probably would have won.

Not saying we are equal but the game suggests that the gulf is not wide and on a basic level it’s a fair comparison.

Honestly I feel we’ve done better than expected so far this World Cup and only the West Indies game has been a big setback and unexpected result. If the Sri Lankan game wasn’t washed out I would have backed us to beat them and then we’d be doing well on the points table. India was expected loss and even there I think we were competitive for 70-75 of the overs

This. The gulf between the first and second tier sides in this world cup is not huge and even the best sides have some serious vulnerabilities. We exploited these vulnerabilities against England and if not for some brainless batting could have done the same against Australia. We probably dont deserve to qualify for the semis on merit but on our good days are comparable to most other teams in terms of quality.

 

[Abdullah]

We need to take a game at a time.
I am unsure about what I want to happen in the eng Vs Aus game.

If England win, it keeps the pressure on Aus , eng and NZ ( assuming we beat NZ)

 

[msb314]

We need to take a game at a time.
I am unsure about what I want to happen in the eng Vs Aus game.

If England win, it keeps the pressure on Aus , eng and NZ ( assuming we beat NZ)

There is absolutely no benefit of "keeping pressure" on Aus, NZ and India. Our only hope if for England to lose and lose big to ensure their NRR goes down.

Not sure about predicted weather yet but England must lose 2 out of their 3 games for Pakistan to have a chance. Of course the unstated assumption is that we have to win all of our remaining games.

 

[Abdullah]

There is absolutely no benefit of "keeping pressure" on Aus, NZ and India. Our only hope if for England to lose and lose big to ensure their NRR goes down.

Not sure about predicted weather yet but England must lose 2 out of their 3 games for Pakistan to have a chance. Of course the unstated assumption is that we have to win all of our remaining games.

Yes but if Aus lose , they are still not through and nor are England.
So they both are plausible to catch up.
Once one team is through the other team may make it through blthe following game, then it's all over
And England's NRR is irrelevant to us

 

[msb314]

Yes but if Aus lose , they are still not through and nor are England.
So they both are plausible to catch up.
Once one team is through the other team may make it through blthe following game, then it's all over
And England's NRR is irrelevant to us

Australia are pretty much through so no point talking about them. The only other chance we have is if we beat NZ and hope England and Australia do the same. Pakistan and NZ will both be left on 11 points and it will come down to NRR.

Hopefully we will get a chance to boost our NRR further by beating Afghanistan.

It is in our best interests to hope Australia absolutely smashes NZ and England whilst India also beats England by a heavy margin...

 

[Usergame]

You don't see them winning against bd? Seriously?

Its a 50/50 game maybe 60/40 to BDesh. Similar ability team but I think bdesh overall have a higher ceiling than pakistan at the moment . They look the better team too overall

 

[Abdullah]

Australia are pretty much through so no point talking about them. The only other chance we have is if we beat NZ and hope England and Australia do the same. Pakistan and NZ will both be left on 11 points and it will come down to NRR.

Hopefully we will get a chance to boost our NRR further by beating Afghanistan.

It is in our best interests to hope Australia absolutely smashes NZ and England whilst India also beats England by a heavy margin...

Aus could lose to England ,,NZ and then there last ame against SA becomes must win.
But no ur right . Aus to beat Eng.
That way we aren't out even if we lose to NZ&#55357;&#56841;

 

[ads101]

I hope we do and don't think it's that impossible, but head says we won't. I feel Pakistan will beat Bangladesh and Afghanistan, but think New Zealand will win.

I also think despite England's struggles, I feel like they will beat both New Zealand and Australia and lose to India.

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

I hope we do and don't think it's that impossible, but head says we won't. I feel Pakistan will beat Bangladesh and Afghanistan, but think New Zealand will win.

I also think despite England's struggles, I feel like they will beat both New Zealand and Australia and lose to India.

I think england will beat india and loose to NZ and Aus.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Its a 50/50 game maybe 60/40 to BDesh. Similar ability team but I think bdesh overall have a higher ceiling than pakistan at the moment . They look the better team too overall

And what makes you think that?
Jeez. People have been day dreaming or what on this forum.
They've lost heavily to England and India (warm up match). Their bowling is very very below par. What's all this fake bravado about?
The only two teams they've beaten are the 9th ranked wi team and the down and out SA team.
They've failed against the top teams.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Their plan all along has been to come close to big teams, beat WI, SL, Pak, Afg and slay one of the Giants. They are going to run India close, beat Afg and will beat Pak. Pak will the one under pressure in that game. BD's batting is way more consistent than Pak's.

They're not going to beat Pak. I can't believe I have to say this to convince someone. If you want to be deluded then that's your choice but no need to spread your delusion to me.
I highly doubt they'll run India close tbh. Anything over 280 will be beyond BD.

 

[IndianHero]

Will that single point cost Pakistan to qualify for semis ?

Which will be fourth team to drop out of top 4 ? Pakistan can have 11 points if they win remaining three matches but which will be team that will vacate its position to pakistan for the semis berth ?

Right now,

New Zealand 11 points
Australia 10 points
India 9 points
England 8 points


If England beats Australia & India they are thru (12 points)
If India beats Bangladesh, Sri lanka they are thru (13 points)
If New Zealand looses all matches (11 points)
Even If Australia beats South Africa they are thru (12 points)


So is the new zealand the team that will sacrifice its position ? But NRR for new zealand is +1.306 and for pakistan is -1.265 , so can pakistan still qualify for semis ? If new zealand wins at least one match they will be with 12 points so will that 1 point cost pakistan the semis berth ?


I would love to see India vs pakistan semi final happening but situation looks only 50-50 changes for that to happen..

 

[zain41]

all the scenarios have been posted..for pak to go through
-pak need to win out (nz/bd/afg)
-england need to lose two from (aus/ind/nz)
-lanka need to lose one from (ind/windies/s.a)

pak can also go through if nz lose all their remaining matches (aus/pak/eng) but that will be a tie on points if pak win out so nrr will matter

 

[Suleiman]

I don’t think it’s guaranteed anymore England will beat Aus or Ind. India look unstoppable rn, It’s 60-40 for England in their game vs Aus.

 

[zain41]

never know under pressure anything can happen NZ might not be a freebie either against eng but lets see ...pak basically already in knock out stages as of now

 

[zain41]

hindsight is 20/20..cant blame rain or that single point..should have beat windies and that game against aus was very winnable

 

[Bilal7]

What will hurt Pakistan is the loss against West Indies. That was a very winnable game had we put them in to bat or batted sensibly ourselves. Sri Lanka are not pushovers and a tie isn't a disaster.

Personally, I want both England and Pakistan to go through but that is looking very difficult unless Pakistan absolutely hammer the minnows and NZ's campaign gets completely derailed.

 

[zain41]

everything will be clearer after wednesday night...it can start tomorrow for pak if afg beat bang that would mean bangladesh going out and might help pak... meaning for bangladesh the pak game would be meaningless...then tuesday aus eng..if england lose tuesday and pak win wednesday semis would still be well alive for pak

 

[CricketAnalyst]

It's not impossible.

If Pakistan win everything, it's extremely like they are through. Assuming Pakistan can win against NZ (which is the tough part), the other two games, Pakistan is definitely a favourite.

The main win-conditions are then:

A) NZ lose to Aus and Eng. This will make Pakistan and NZ tied. While this might look bad because -1.26 vs + 1.30 run-rate. 3 wins for Pakistan and 3 losses for NZL will mean a pretty large change to NRR and it might potentially be enough.

B) Eng lose two games. The good thing is if England do win against NZL, then Scenario A just requires Aus to beat NZL. If NZL beat England, then all Pakistan need is for England to not beat both India and Australia (which is actually very hard for them to do).

There are other possibilities (like India collapsing and losing everything) but I don't think even the most optimistic PP members would consider likely.

 

[giri26]

To be really frank it is still long way away and Pakistan does require other teams to slip up quite a bit for them to qualify. They also need to win games with good margins to improve their NRR. Next few days will give better picture of the scenario. Tomorrow's game is cruci for Pakistan and other teams as well. England need to lose for Pakistan to feel safe.

 

[Asif321]

Crucial game tommrow if England lose
It will make Pakistan more motivated and confident

 

[Kriketer]

Australia handed the game to us on a platter but we are too poor to capitalize. Anyway, I think our campaign was done and dusted in the very first game. Losing to West Indies isn’t the end of the world, but we completely destroyed our NRR. We have been walking a tightrope since.

It is wishful thinking to believe that we can sneak into the semifinals. There are still 15 group games to go and we need pretty much every result in our favor. It is not happening.

Campaign was not done and dusted in the first game, that was just usual Pakistan's startup to any tournament. Pakistan will win against NZ.

Mamoon ji you better be ready to eat your words, Pakistan is making it to semis.

Boyz are only playing well from here on

 

[Obsessed_in_a_good_way]

How can Pakistan qualify. Scenarios

Updated after game #34 (IND vs WI)

Playing around with scenarios. Unfortunately, we don't control our destiny ... we need to win the last two (AFG, BD), and hope that other results go our way. Here are some possibilities.

If SL wins remaining matches (SA, WI, IND), then they'll qualify.
ENG vs NZ game will determine the 4th team

If BD beats IND and PAK, then they're through, and ENG v NZ will determine the final arrangement

If ENG beats IND and NZ then AUS, IND, ENG are through, and PAK/NZ are tied for 4th spot. NRR will come into play

Crucial for Pakistan: India should win remaining matches (ENG, BD, SL). If they lose any one, we have problems. Will they lose on purpose? Or will they field a weak team and/or not take the games seriously? Let's wait and see.

Any other scenarios we should be looking at???

 

[DeadlyYorker]

Updated after game #34 (IND vs WI)

Playing around with scenarios. Unfortunately, we don't control our destiny ... we need to win the last two (AFG, BD), and hope that other results go our way. Here are some possibilities.

If SL wins remaining matches (SA, WI, IND), then they'll qualify.
ENG vs NZ game will determine the 4th team

If BD beats IND and PAK, then they're through, and ENG v NZ will determine the final arrangement

If ENG beats IND and NZ then AUS, IND, ENG are through, and PAK/NZ are tied for 4th spot. NRR will come into play

Crucial for Pakistan: India should win remaining matches (ENG, BD, SL). If they lose any one, we have problems. Will they lose on purpose? Or will they field a weak team and/or not take the games seriously? Let's wait and see.

Any other scenarios we should be looking at???

If nz beat eng ,eng remains on 10 points and pak winning rest vs bd,afg is most likey so they ll finish on 11,why u need to put tie with nz when u qualify if eng stuck on 10? 3rd scenario u wrote is completly wrong ,under no condition nz has anything to do with pak qualification

Only if eng gets to 12 points or not is to be seen

 

[Obsessed_in_a_good_way]

If nz beat eng ,eng remains on 10 points and pak winning rest vs bd,afg is most likey so they ll finish on 11,why u need to put tie with nz when u qualify if eng stuck on 10? 3rd scenario u wrote is completly wrong ,under no condition nz has anything to do with pak qualification

Only if eng gets to 12 points or not is to be seen

Check this out. If ENG beats IND and NZ:
AUS === 9-8-1-0 === 16 points
INDIA == 9-7-1-1 === 15
ENG === 9-6-3-0 === 12
NZ ==== 9-5-3-1 === 11
PAK ====9-5-3-1 === 11

 

[DeadlyYorker]

Check this out. If ENG beats IND and NZ:
AUS === 9-8-1-0 === 16 points
INDIA == 9-7-1-1 === 15
ENG === 9-6-3-0 === 12
NZ ==== 9-5-3-1 === 11
PAK ====9-5-3-1 === 11

Pakistan is at -0.98and nz is at what +1? I dont think pak can play that good to change NRR from -0.98 to even +0.5 and then still nz has to lose -0.5 to even have these scenarios,in this one pak has got almost no chance to qualify considering poor NRR they have,eng is only way to go which is really possible considering they have unbeaten indian side to confront

 

[GLORY OF '92]

We need SL to lose. I don't think Eng can win 2.

But SL can do it I think. They have the know how.

 

[farazaidi]

We need SL to lose. I don't think Eng can win 2.

But SL can do it I think. They have the know how.

Anything can happen really but in terms of probability, ENG are more likely to beat IND than SL.

Although I'd back India to win against both

 

[bantu]

Pakistan’s best option is to win their remaining two matches and hope England lose one their two remaining matches..

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Will Bangladesh help Pakistan reach semis?

Scenario:

Consider England wins 1 out of 2, and stay on 10 pts.

If Pakistan wins against Afg, they'll be on 9 pts, with one match remaining against Ban.

If Ban loses against India, they'll stay on 7 pts, with one match against Pak.


So, coming to Pak vs Ban,

If Ban wins, England will become the 4th semi finalist as they'll have 10 pts, whereas Ban and Pak will be on 9 pts.

Whereas, if Pak wins, Pak will move to semis, as Pak will end up with 11 pts, whereas Eng will be on 10 pts.



So, will Bangladesh help Pakistan if they're already out of the tournament themselves?

If I can recall correctly Pak did help Ban in some qualification to get the full status.

 

[Abdullah]

3 losses, 1 win and 1 Washout out of 5 matches.

Yet, team will somehow win the remaining 4 matches and reach the semis when NZ loses all 4 matches.

Yeah and pigs will fly.

Doc are you still alive, how u feeling.
We may not make the semis , but minimum target should be to be the best of the rest!

 

[msb314]

What should be our margin of victory against Bang to overtake NZ on NRR?

With NZ losing to Australia today - we have another option of sneaking in to the SF's if England wins tomorrow - that is if England beats NZ in their final game - Pak and NZ will both be level on 11 points!

However, our NRR is -0.792 whilst NZ's is 0.542.

Any mathematicians here who could tell us what should be our margin of victory or max number of overs to chase in order to overtake NZ on NRR? Suppose for simplicity if NZ loses their final game by 50 runs? Or 100 runs?

 

[blackanhyellow]

Should concentrate on winning which will be difficult enough.

Banglabros are a very good team now and are in form.

Tough match.

 

[AutoCrat]

For that to happen both NZ and BD have to lose by almost impossible margins as the NRR gain/loss from one match will just sink into the average so far.

 

[PakLFC]

I don't see us going through on run rate. Eng has to lose to India or NZ.

 

[finalfantasy7]

put it this way, we have to win big i would say 70runs+ and new Zealand will have to lose by roughly 40 runs/opposition chasing score in 44th over

 

[light]

You're not going to go through with NRR trying to beat banglabros black and blue. They have been in super form in the WC. If this AFG match was tough, don't think they won't be tougher. The form you guys are in, I say you are fav but they are still no push over. 55-45 in favor of PAK if you ask me. Shakib is the key. Getting his wicket early is the match for PAK.

 

[Abdullah]

This is what needs to happen
India defeat England
India smash Bangla bros

We can then look at the table to see who we support in the England Vs nz game.

I think it would be better for England to smash kiwi and then that puts bangladesh out.

We then have to beat Bangladesh well to potentially overtake kiwi into 3rd spot avoiding India in the semi

The problem would be that if eng lose to both India and kiwi, Bangladesh can progress and I don't want that In our game. I would rather they are out if contention when we play them. The deciding factor is the run rate difference after their India game