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Will Pakistan qualify for the 2019 World Cup semi-finals?

Will Pakistan qualify for the 2019 World Cup semi-finals?


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When the Mathematicians have to bail us out ..... god help us !!!! We are not a good side .... YET !!! So we have to swallow the bitter pill .... and hope we play better NEXT time. Watch the other Teams battle it out and get our kicks that way !!!!
 
That's a net difference of 1.334 in the net run rate between the two teams.

The formula for NRR is; Net Run Rate = (Total Runs Scored / Total Overs Faced) – (Total Runs Conceded /Total Overs Bowled)

I don't know how many overs we have faced/played and runs we have scored/conceded but this deep in the tournament to have a rise of 1.3 in the NRR is next to impossible.
 
That's a net difference of 1.334 in the net run rate between the two teams.

The formula for NRR is; Net Run Rate = (Total Runs Scored / Total Overs Faced) – (Total Runs Conceded /Total Overs Bowled)

I don't know how many overs we have faced/played and runs we have scored/conceded but this deep in the tournament to have a rise of 1.3 in the NRR is next to impossible.

1.3 runs for a 50 over game translates to 65 runs. NZ and Pakistan have played 7 games, so I would say the difference to be made up is about 7 x 65 = 445 runs.
 
People here are not getting the Point of this thread


The Poster has probably made the following assumptions:

1) England win both of there matches (England = 12 points)

2) This also means, Nz have 11 points

3) Bangladesh winning or losing vs India doesn't matter as they will still have maximum 9 points

Now coming onto the thread since we have 9 points and can only have 11 if we defeat Bangladesh, then overtaking Nz on run rate will be our only probability to go to Semis (assuming India wins 1 of the match vs SL or Bangladesh)


Hence Assuming Nz losses to England by 50 runs then what will be the required margin to overtake them on NRR
 
1.3 runs for a 50 over game translates to 65 runs. NZ and Pakistan have played 7 games, so I would say the difference to be made up is about 7 x 65 = 445 runs.

If ICC posted the total runs conceded and scored it would be much easier to calculate. But yeah at this stage in the tournament it's next to impossible to increase the NRR by that much.
 
put it this way, we have to win big i would say 70runs+ and new Zealand will have to lose by roughly 40 runs/opposition chasing score in 44th over

Assuming Nz loses to England by 50 runs
and we are chasing 250 vs Bangladesh, in how many overs would we need to chase it to overtake Nz's NRR
 
That defeat vs WI maywell be the reason we miss out on SFs
and yeah that bloody washout vs SL
 
If ICC posted the total runs conceded and scored it would be much easier to calculate. But yeah at this stage in the tournament it's next to impossible to increase the NRR by that much.

My calculations are not completely correct but only approximate as many games did not go all the way to 50 overs. Anyway, any margin of over 200 runs leave aside 400 runs from one remaining game for both teams is almost impossible to make up.

Conclusion: England has to lose to India for Pakistan to have a chance to get to the semis, and if that happens they will likely be ranked #4 and will face Australia in the semis.
 
Assuming Nz loses to England by 50 runs
and we are chasing 250 vs Bangladesh, in how many overs would we need to chase it to overtake Nz's NRR

As the margin is about 400 runs, to make up 400 - 50 = 350 runs, you would have to score 250 runs in about minus 10 overs.
 
My calculations are not completely correct but only approximate as many games did not go all the way to 50 overs. Anyway, any margin of over 200 runs leave aside 400 runs from one remaining game for both teams is almost impossible to make up.

Conclusion: England has to lose to India for Pakistan to have a chance to get to the semis, and if that happens they will likely be ranked #4 and will face Australia in the semis.

Correction, if England loses to India, then India will likely be ranked #1 and would face #4 ranked Pakistan in the semis. Chance for Pakistan to avenge Mohali 2011.
 
My calculations are not completely correct but only approximate as many games did not go all the way to 50 overs. Anyway, any margin of over 200 runs leave aside 400 runs from one remaining game for both teams is almost impossible to make up.

Conclusion: England has to lose to India for Pakistan to have a chance to get to the semis, and if that happens they will likely be ranked #4 and will face Australia in the semis.
If India are ranked #1, then Pakistan(#4) will face India in SF.
For India to be #1, they need to beat BD, SL after England.
 
If England score 350 and bowl NZ out for 100, NZ's NRR will be -0.188 approx.
If Pakistan score 350 and bowl BD out for 150, Pak's NRR will be -0.141 approx.

So give or take a few runs. If in the 2nd scenario, BD were to be bowled out for 200 then Pakistan's NRR would drop to -0.282.
 
If England score 350 and bowl NZ out for 100, NZ's NRR will be -0.188 approx.
If Pakistan score 350 and bowl BD out for 150, Pak's NRR will be -0.141 approx.

So give or take a few runs. If in the 2nd scenario, BD were to be bowled out for 200 then Pakistan's NRR would drop to -0.282.

That's impossible.
Only way we can enter in the semifinals is india beating England. As i don't see NZ winning against England
 
My calculations are not completely correct but only approximate as many games did not go all the way to 50 overs. Anyway, any margin of over 200 runs leave aside 400 runs from one remaining game for both teams is almost impossible to make up.

Conclusion: England has to lose to India for Pakistan to have a chance to get to the semis, and if that happens they will likely be ranked #4 and will face Australia in the semis.

Yeah hopefully India drop a game to one of Bangladesh or SL so we don't have to face them in the Semis. :yk I'd much rather face Australia then India. We have had no answer for India's spinners. Australia if we played a bit smarter we could of beat them.
 
Yeah hopefully India drop a game to one of Bangladesh or SL so we don't have to face them in the Semis. :yk I'd much rather face Australia then India. We have had no answer for India's spinners. Australia if we played a bit smarter we could of beat them.

No team is beating Australia. India or Pakistan. It is the business end.
 
Yeah hopefully India drop a game to one of Bangladesh or SL so we don't have to face them in the Semis. :yk I'd much rather face Australia then India. We have had no answer for India's spinners. Australia if we played a bit smarter we could of beat them.

* could HAVE beat them.

Please, as an English teacher, this mistake is a pet peeve! 'Could of' is not correct in any shape or form.
 
India can do a big favour today and calm the nerves
It will be straight equation then for Pakistan
 
When the Mathematicians have to bail us out ..... god help us !!!! We are not a good side .... YET !!! So we have to swallow the bitter pill .... and hope we play better NEXT time. Watch the other Teams battle it out and get our kicks that way !!!!

GOD has lot lot more serious responsibilities & activities than helping to win cricket matches for teams.:lara
 
That's impossible.
Only way we can enter in the semifinals is india beating England. As i don't see NZ winning against England

this is cricket where a lot depends on the toss.What if on a juicy pitch NZL bowlers bundle out ENG for about 240 max & Kane & co chase down that .Kane is a master at chasing down low targets.
 
If ICC posted the total runs conceded and scored it would be much easier to calculate. But yeah at this stage in the tournament it's next to impossible to increase the NRR by that much.

Go to cricinfo's points table. You will get the runs conceded and scored and the number of overs as well.
 
Basically NRR will not help Pakistan in this tournament.

England need to lose one of their final two games and Pak need to beat Bangladesh.

No need to discuss NRR equations any further.
 
If England score 350 and bowl NZ out for 100, NZ's NRR will be -0.188 approx.
If Pakistan score 350 and bowl BD out for 150, Pak's NRR will be -0.141 approx.

So give or take a few runs. If in the 2nd scenario, BD were to be bowled out for 200 then Pakistan's NRR would drop to -0.282.

Yep. And as bad as NZ are, I don't see them losing by that margin. Pakistan need an England loss. That loss to Windies has damaged Pakistan's NRR beyond repair.
 
Pakistan don't need anyone to lose or win, if Pakistan will win, Pakistan will qualify for the semi finals, since NZ lost NZ still has 11 points, and if NZ win against England, England will be out and if NZ get beaten by England (only if England already beaten India by then) England will make it to Semi.
There'll be no run rate issue because in round robin Pakistan beaten NZ so things won't come to NZ.
 
Pakistan don't need anyone to lose or win, if Pakistan will win against Bangladesh, Pakistan will qualify for the semi finals, since NZ still has 11 points, and if NZ win against England, England will be out and if NZ get beaten by England (only if England already beaten India by then) England will make it to Semi.
There'll be no run rate issue because in round robin Pakistan beaten NZ so things won't come to RR.
 
GOD has lot lot more serious responsibilities & activities than helping to win cricket matches for teams.:lara

yes. often see this inshah allah pak win comments. we indians too have this habit of bringing god into such petty issues. i still remember one famous comment during the india pak world cup match years back. we have the support of krishna siva allah jesus zoroastrian guru nanak and buddha so will win huh..come on.. god should fix bigger issues if there is any god and not cricket matches
 
A difference of 1.334 in favour of NZ, that means in 8 matches played by both the teams will make it 1.334 * 8 = 10.64 . Now multiply that by 50 overs
50 * 10.64= 534
That's it
Eng must beat NZ by 267 runs & Pak must repeat that with Bangladesh. God forbid if NZ Vs eng is a close match then Pakistan must get Bangladesh
All-out on 100 and chase that target in 7.3 overs.
/Dream
 
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Yeah I did the math guys it's not happening. :yk Just hope India beat England and then we beat Bangladesh.
 
People will never learn. Yeah everybody says it "Pakistan are there or thereabout in tournament cricket" But tell me how many of you actually believed we would beat England, South Africa, and New Zealand before the tourney started. Hell some of you guys were even saying "this is worse than our 2015 World Cup team" People like that should be ashamed either they don't know a thing about cricket or didn't watch the 2015 World Cup or never looked at that squad. You had to be kidding me to think this team would of done worse than the last team. This team is good they have all the talent in the world there is a reason they won the 2017 CT, and no it was not a fluke. When our players are in the groove they are hard to stop the only real weakness in our team is the ability to play good spin bowling.
 
England will beat India and New Zealand :)

Bangladesh will beat Pakistan

SF

Australia vs England

India vs New Zealand

F

Australia vs India

India WC champions 2019
 
People will never learn. Yeah everybody says it "Pakistan are there or thereabout in tournament cricket" But tell me how many of you actually believed we would beat England, South Africa, and New Zealand before the tourney started. Hell some of you guys were even saying "this is worse than our 2015 World Cup team" People like that should be ashamed either they don't know a thing about cricket or didn't watch the 2015 World Cup or never looked at that squad. You had to be kidding me to think this team would of done worse than the last team. This team is good they have all the talent in the world there is a reason they won the 2017 CT, and no it was not a fluke. When our players are in the groove they are hard to stop the only real weakness in our team is the ability to play good spin bowling.

A lot of are fans are so negative and so pessimistic. I was at Headingley yesterday and all the fans were dead and out. There was a few of us yesterday and we were all jeering. I knew that we were going to win..once Pakistan is in their zone, they are dangerous. It's only themselves that can be blamed from here on now.

We're winning this and no doubt about it. InshaAllah
 
A lot of are fans are so negative and so pessimistic. I was at Headingley yesterday and all the fans were dead and out. There was a few of us yesterday and we were all jeering. I knew that we were going to win..once Pakistan is in their zone, they are dangerous. It's only themselves that can be blamed from here on now.

We're winning this and no doubt about it. InshaAllah

Exactly I was watching the match yesterday and was kind of disappointed with the enthusiams of the crowd. With Sarfraz out they were sitting with hands on their heads like our last batsman just got out and #11 was coming in next. The crowd at Edgbaston was much better in this regard, into the match the whole way through!
 
People will never learn. Yeah everybody says it "Pakistan are there or thereabout in tournament cricket" But tell me how many of you actually believed we would beat England, South Africa, and New Zealand before the tourney started. Hell some of you guys were even saying "this is worse than our 2015 World Cup team" People like that should be ashamed either they don't know a thing about cricket or didn't watch the 2015 World Cup or never looked at that squad. You had to be kidding me to think this team would of done worse than the last team. This team is good they have all the talent in the world there is a reason they won the 2017 CT, and no it was not a fluke. When our players are in the groove they are hard to stop the only real weakness in our team is the ability to play good spin bowling.

Exactly I was watching the match yesterday and was kind of disappointed with the enthusiams of the crowd. With Sarfraz out they were sitting with hands on their heads like our last batsman just got out and #11 was coming in next. The crowd at Edgbaston was much better in this regard, into the match the whole way through!

Exactly. There was a new Cricket fan next to me and I think it was like 50 needed and he was like so tense. I'm like chill out we got this and he was like no way no way.

The crowd need to give confidence to the team. I love Edgbaston, that is one of the best grounds and they are so much more livelier.
 
People will never learn. Yeah everybody says it "Pakistan are there or thereabout in tournament cricket" But tell me how many of you actually believed we would beat England, South Africa, and New Zealand before the tourney started. Hell some of you guys were even saying "this is worse than our 2015 World Cup team" People like that should be ashamed either they don't know a thing about cricket or didn't watch the 2015 World Cup or never looked at that squad. You had to be kidding me to think this team would of done worse than the last team. This team is good they have all the talent in the world there is a reason they won the 2017 CT, and no it was not a fluke. When our players are in the groove they are hard to stop the only real weakness in our team is the ability to play good spin bowling.

And yes we are qualifying.
I think they should change the batting order though. Fakhar is out of form, would be better to drop him to 3 or for the BD match he maybe OK as they have more pacers.
 
And yes we are qualifying.
I think they should change the batting order though. Fakhar is out of form, would be better to drop him to 3 or for the BD match he maybe OK as they have more pacers.

Chill bro, Fakhar has an average of 42 @95 against top 5/6 teams. Yeah he's had a bad patch. But he's still got 40's against England, India, and SA. Plus if we're chasing a 300+ score he is crucial to our chances. He's struggled a bit in this tourney but he's the best opener we have had SINCE Saeed Anwar! Give the dude some space he always comes good when in a rut. Tell me which of our great openers in the past have averaged 40+ @ 90+ against top sides. He's the type of player your suppose to back and a couple of bad games don't mean you drop your 2 year investment.
 
Exactly. There was a new Cricket fan next to me and I think it was like 50 needed and he was like so tense. I'm like chill out we got this and he was like no way no way.

The crowd need to give confidence to the team. I love Edgbaston, that is one of the best grounds and they are so much more livelier.

Yeah that's probably the best crowd I have ever seen at Edgbaston they were cheering on every run and every wicket!
 
People will never learn. Yeah everybody says it "Pakistan are there or thereabout in tournament cricket" But tell me how many of you actually believed we would beat England, South Africa, and New Zealand before the tourney started. Hell some of you guys were even saying "this is worse than our 2015 World Cup team" People like that should be ashamed either they don't know a thing about cricket or didn't watch the 2015 World Cup or never looked at that squad. You had to be kidding me to think this team would of done worse than the last team. This team is good they have all the talent in the world there is a reason they won the 2017 CT, and no it was not a fluke. When our players are in the groove they are hard to stop the only real weakness in our team is the ability to play good spin bowling.

Chill bro, Fakhar has an average of 42 @95 against top 5/6 teams. Yeah he's had a bad patch. But he's still got 40's against England, India, and SA. Plus if we're chasing a 300+ score he is crucial to our chances. He's struggled a bit in this tourney but he's the best opener we have had SINCE Saeed Anwar! Give the dude some space he always comes good when in a rut. Tell me which of our great openers in the past have averaged 40+ @ 90+ against top sides. He's the type of player your suppose to back and a couple of bad games don't mean you drop your 2 year investment.

I didn't mean to drop Fakhar!
I meant put him at number 3 just to get his confidence back as when he is a rhythm player and when is he on song, seems so much at ease.
 
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NRR system isn’t ideal.

In my opinion, teams who are tied on points should be separated based on their ranking leading up to the World Cup, but the rankings should not be adjusted during the duration of a World Cup.

ICC needs to give incentive to teams for achieving a higher ranking. Teams that occupy the top positions should be rewarded for their consistency and this will also give bilateral ODIs better context.

The Test Championship knockouts will be based on rankings, and it is time for ICC to incorporate rankings in the World Cup as well.
 
I didn't mean to drop Fakhar!
I meant put him at number 3 just to get his confidence back as when he is a rhythm player and when is he on song, seems so much at ease.

You can't be chopping and changing the team. Babar is our #3 you can't move players into his spot. That's like India moving Kohli up to open to accommodate Rahul. You can't do that. Like I also said Fakhar is our best opener since Saeed Anwar you can't be moving him from his spot based on a couple failures. He will come good IA.
 
Pakistan definitely deserves to get into semi finals. They have beaten the likes of New Zealand, England, South Africa and would have defeated Sri Lanka(if not rain) as well.

Losing to Australia and India is understandable as most teams would lose to them. Windies was an off-day for them and they will prove it by defeating BD.

England don't deserve after losing to Pakistan, Sri Lanka apart from the loss against the formidable Australian side and none of their matches vs weaker sides being affected with rain as it happened for Pak. However,if they beat both India and NZ, we can say that they deserve to go to semis.
 
NRR faceoff against New Zealand is impossible. The best chance was our match against New Zealand in which we had a chance to bowl New Zealand out under 150 (Which we didn't). So now it's just today's game, India vs England that we should all look forward too.
 
I think England will beat India on this road of a pitch (as the reports suggest). But if the England vs India match gets close, I am backing India to win it. England have choked against SL already and it will be fresh in their minds.

NZ did not play strong opposition in the first phase of the WC and now are being found out - overreliant on Kane W and the lower order to bail them out. England should be able to beat them.

Pakistan Vs Bangladesh will be interesting....I feel Bangladesh have been looking more consistent, favor them slightly to win.
 
If England beats both India and NZ....

Here's a scenario that would see Pakistan qualifying ahead of NZ......

If England beat NZ by 250 runs scoring 350 off 50 & bowling NZ out for 100 in the 50th over,
NZ's for and against would end up being.... 1588/344 (4.616) and 1913/398.1 (4.805) so NZ's NRR would end up finishing on -0.189

If Pakistan achieved the same result against Bangladesh. Their for and against would be 2060/388.5 (5.30) and 1873/353.4 (5.29) so Pakistan's NRR would end up being +0.1

However I should point out....if Pakistan only beat Bangladesh by 150 runs (say 350 vs 200), then Pakistan's NRR would end up being -0.28 and NZ would qualify.
 
NRR will come back to haunt us

And so it should, It's part of tournament play that if you're going to win, win well & if you're going to lose, put in a good fight and make sure it's a close loss.

Pakistan aren't consistent enough to deserve to go through.
 
Bangaldesh? :)))

You have a good sense of humour.

You guys barely got past Afghanistan, still think you're gonna reach semis let alone win the WC? LOL...I really like the Pakistani team but it's morons like you which really makes me wanna change my mind.
 
Bangladesh can beat India and Pakistan it is not impossible and not improbable . I hope they qualify, they are the next best team in this world cup after Australia, India England and New Zealand.

And what r u basing this on?

They've lost against the top teams barring sa.

Bangladesh are overrated af.

Pakistan have more points than bd and it will stay the same when bd get banged by Ind.
 
Their batting is more assured than pakistan so far in this tournament Shakib, Mushfiqul, Dass, but their pace bowling is their weak link. They will not be under Pressure for political reasons when playing india as pak were.
Pakistan have an ok attack with the exception of Amir. Pak struggled against quality Afghan spinners.
I don't see why Bangla cannot beat an inconsistent pak batting team with Fakhar failing more often than not and who is also a dunce against any kind of spin as we have seen so far....a walking wicket for bangla.
 
Why don't people just chill and watch the games now.
It is in out own hands. We will know how much we need to beat bang by if we are to overleap NZ.( Assuming option 2 and England winning both games)
That will be the game where Babar goes into beast mode and does a Kohli Hobart chase. 340 in 36 overs
 
Why don't people just chill and watch the games now.
It is in out own hands. We will know how much we need to beat bang by if we are to overleap NZ.( Assuming option 2 and England winning both games)
That will be the game where Babar goes into beast mode and does a Kohli Hobart chase. 340 in 36 overs

People really don't realize how big the NRR difference is. It's not gonna be hard, like 340 in 36 overs. It's gonna be impossible. Perhaps something like chase down 350 in 20 overs. Or bat first, score 600 and win by perhaps 350 runs. That's how big the gap is. I haven't done any maths there btw, just a logical guess. It's India/NZ to beat Englandd or bust.
 
Why don't people just chill and watch the games now.
It is in out own hands. We will know how much we need to beat bang by if we are to overleap NZ.( Assuming option 2 and England winning both games)
That will be the game where Babar goes into beast mode and does a Kohli Hobart chase. 340 in 36 overs

Agree. And our team has done fairly well this time. Yes people are going to blame over WI loss but lets not forget it was among our early games we had no clear picture of future standings. Other than that, our team has done whatever they could to stay afloat. We shouldnt worry about the outcome and enjoy their probable last WC victory.
 
Agree. And our team has done fairly well this time. Yes people are going to blame over WI loss but lets not forget it was among our early games we had no clear picture of future standings. Other than that, our team has done whatever they could to stay afloat. We shouldnt worry about the outcome and enjoy their probable last WC victory.

Probably our second best WC performance after 2011 WC in the last 16 years.
 
I firmly believe that even GOD is conspiring for Pakistan...The way pakistan won against Afghanistan...i believe World Cup 2019 is for pakistan...
 
You guys barely got past Afghanistan, still think you're gonna reach semis let alone win the WC? LOL...I really like the Pakistani team but it's morons like you which really makes me wanna change my mind.

India also barely got past Afghanistan. Good logic
 
I firmly believe that even GOD is conspiring for Pakistan...The way pakistan won against Afghanistan...i believe World Cup 2019 is for pakistan...

No, not God, it was the umpire but a good try though. Imad should have been back in the pavillion when he was clearly out but ruled otherwise. Afg was cheated out of a win
 
Assuming bangladesh will lose to India so after IndvsEng, Bangladesh is already out of this WC.

England winning this have already knocked out Srilanka for whatever slim chances they had.
 
All rests on NZ beating England, India beating Bangladesh and Pakistan beating Bangladesh
 
All rests on NZ beating England, India beating Bangladesh and Pakistan beating Bangladesh

IF NZ beat England, we should still have a chance even if BD beat India as we would just need that win over BD to qualify directly
 
Pakistan likely will defeat BD by a big margin

You guys barely got past Afghanistan, still think you're gonna reach semis let alone win the WC? LOL...I really like the Pakistani team but it's morons like you which really makes me wanna change my mind.
Pakistan is gelling as a team and will likely defeat BD by a big margin. BD is reliant on Shakib and Mushfiq. I think consistent pace bowling in the channel of uncertainty will undo BD. Imad is finding form at the right time and Hafeez will be effective against their left handers.
 
Pakistan is gelling as a team and will likely defeat BD by a big margin. BD is reliant on Shakib and Mushfiq. I think consistent pace bowling in the channel of uncertainty will undo BD. Imad is finding form at the right time and Hafeez will be effective against their left handers.

Not to forget the red hot form of Babar Azam and Haris Sohail.
 
IF NZ beat England, we should still have a chance even if BD beat India as we would just need that win over BD to qualify directly

India vs Bangladesh is irrelevant for us. It doesnt matter who wins or lose, we still have to beat Bangla and hope England loses to NZ.
 
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