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if BCB decline touring, Bangladeshi players should be taken out of the PSL drafts. If Pakistan is so unsafe, you shouldn't be going at any time.
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Why are the BCB puppets of the BCCI, but the SLC not?
Because the SLC are "manly" enough to make their own decisions while the BCB has to consult with the BCCI beforehand. The reason being that the Bangladeshi government and the Indian government both hate Pakistan while Sri Lanka doesn't. This is also one of the reasons why the Afghani cricket board isn't too keen on Pakistani tours either
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Nonsense.
We want a 3-ODI series on short notice? SLC are on the job. Hosting an Asia Cup if we can't have Pakistan play on our soil? No problemo. IPL players transferred from Chennai to other teams? From Colombo to Mumbai with love!
Sri Lanka are just as big our puppets as Bangladesh. The problem in this context lies with Pakistan not willing to have them in the UAE ever.
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Then why waste bandwidth discussing something you already know...move on try to invite some other team’s
You do realise that they're in talks with several other countries not just Bangladesh?
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The PCB's new policy is that if you prefer playing in the UAE you will share the costs.
I doubt that the BCB will pay extra money just to play against Pakistan. So I don't see any tour happening.
Do the Bangladeshis realize that this is their best chance to beat Pakistan in tests? They could be missing out on something big here.
I doubt that the BCB will pay extra money just to play against Pakistan. So I don't see any tour happening.
Do the Bangladeshis realize that this is their best chance to beat Pakistan in tests? They could be missing out on something big here.
This will be a part of the WTC. So if they don't come then they will have to concede their points.
This isn't a random test tour. It has value.
I don't think you can blame BD , they depends a lot on India, can;t afford to annoy them. The country was created by India, so no surprise.
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The tour will go on as planned if SL tour goes successful. BD will have no choice then
How about Australia and England? They also don't want to annoy India?
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BCB using BCCi government excuses.
Cant even be original
Cant even be original
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So if decisions are not according to pcb's, they are not independent?
PCBs policy, not ICC's.
PCB can request nations to tour, they cannot force them. Can they dictate terms like these to SENA countries? Likely No.
Unless majority of countries tour pakistan, these pcb policies will be only on paper.
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Cricket Australia is the biggest BCCI puppet, havent toured Pakistan since 1998.
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What excuse are Bangladesh going to use?
Security issues?
But Sri Lanka would have toured Pakistan by then so the security excuse would become invalid
They are different nations but it would seem bizarre for them not to tour when though a mid ranked table team would have toured for 2 tests before them.
You're trying too hard to justify what Bangladesh are trying to do so I don't give this conversation is going anywhere. So you either agree or you don't
How can you possibly compare Australia with England??
They're much bigger boards. They form the BIG 3 with India so they have that liberty. Bangladesh do not as they're a smaller board than the PCB.
There's a conflict of power here which you are not understand.
This comparison of yours is just absurd if I'm honest. It's common sense.
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Come on guys you should know this
BCB are not going to visit unless a go ahead is given by GOI
Afghanistan and Bangladesh are puppets of India so get over it
BCB are not going to visit unless a go ahead is given by GOI
Afghanistan and Bangladesh are puppets of India so get over it
Their relationship with the other boards is good. BCCI would be willing to host series against Pakistan but they're government isn't obliging. The BCB has said if their government allows them then they will play in Pakistan.
It's the governments who are at conflict here not the boards
If we go by your logic, majority of the test playing nation's players needs to be booted out of psl. That includes the likes of AUS (who hasn't toured pak since 2000 i believe?), ENG, NZ, and the list goes on.
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It's clear than day that Pakistan is now safe as much as any country in the world. Security situation is improved.
If upcoming tour go as planned than BD will have no choice only BD current govt hate towards Pakistan can detained it's team touring Pakistan
Is Bangladesh's board as strong as the 3 boards mentioned?
For the PCB, BCB is just above Zimbabwe in terms of power so we can force or rather threat them if you don't oblige with our demands. We can't do that with the bigger boards because they have more power than us.
Frankly, whether or not Bangladesh has a tour with us in Pakistan or not it'll not affect how the SENA countries perceive us. So we can't act strict with the SENA countries as we need them to tour us whether it be now or in 2-3 years time. With Bangladesh, it should be a given that they tour like Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka are doing given how good our security situation is now.
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Agree that security situation has improved drastically especially in cities like Lahore, Karachi etc but it's all about the perceptions.
Only series' Pakistan hosted in the recent years were against second or third string teams with players locked in their hotel rooms. That's why the next series against Sri Lanka is crucial as they have decided to send a full strength team. Once this series gets done without any issues and with positive feedback from the players, other teams will be willing to tour as well.
No point blaming BCCI and GOI for anything and everything.
Only series' Pakistan hosted in the recent years were against second or third string teams with players locked in their hotel rooms. That's why the next series against Sri Lanka is crucial as they have decided to send a full strength team. Once this series gets done without any issues and with positive feedback from the players, other teams will be willing to tour as well.
No point blaming BCCI and GOI for anything and everything.
I see that you paint people of different nationality with different stoke of color. That alone makes your logic biased towards a certain group of people. With that being said, your logic sounds even more lunatic than the previous guy
Perception plays a key part in situations like these. Champions Trophy 2017 went ahead in Eng seamlessly just a day after terror attack in London. No team complained because they have trust on British police/establishment.
Pakistan has zero credibility globally and people percieve its law n order as a joke. Even though few cities like Lahore etall are probably as safe as Mumbai or London, its due to trust deficiency boards are reluctant to tour. No team wants to go there and being surrounded by SPG commandos 24/7 as if they are in jail.
It is a wrong notion that just because SL toured, BD also have to tour Pakistan. As much as I would love for cricket to be back in Pak regularly, this is the reality.
Best bet for PCB would be to ask boards to share the expenses if matches are to be played in UAE.
Pakistan has zero credibility globally and people percieve its law n order as a joke. Even though few cities like Lahore etall are probably as safe as Mumbai or London, its due to trust deficiency boards are reluctant to tour. No team wants to go there and being surrounded by SPG commandos 24/7 as if they are in jail.
It is a wrong notion that just because SL toured, BD also have to tour Pakistan. As much as I would love for cricket to be back in Pak regularly, this is the reality.
Best bet for PCB would be to ask boards to share the expenses if matches are to be played in UAE.
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Are England or Australia slated to tour in the next year? There's no point talking about them right now. I would fo the same with South Africans in 2021 if they don't come, as they are scheduled to tour before PSL.
Again, if Pakistan is safe enough to play a T20 league in, it's also safe for international cricket.
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Yup, tour is subject to permission from "government",
not even original excuses
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It's all about power. Bangladesh doesn't have any so we can boss them around. The big 3 have lot of power so we can't boss them around.
This is common sense. I don't see how my logic was more "lunatic"
Just to clarify, I don't think PAK is as unsafe as the media portraits it to be. However, there is no trust. You can't blame x,y,z country for that. That is on PCB/PAK government. Had that Srilankan team at that time not been shot at, regular visit from BAN/SL/WI/(even SA) would have been going on. Unfortunetly that event did take place so PCB can sing and dance about the security situation as much as they want (like i said previously, it is way safer than what people portraits it to be), that trust was broken.
So by your own logic, PCB deserves the treatment from the big 3 and rest of the test nation that doesn't want to tour you guys and for good reason? Starting to realize why I said your logic was lunatic?
What do they say again? What goes around, comes back to bite you in the rear end
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You're continuously missing the point. plenty of regular Bangladesh players have put their names in the draft for PSL, which is going to take place entirely in Pakistan. If Pakistan is safe enough to come to for the PSL, it is safe enough for international cricket. If you think it's not safe for international cricket, you don't get to come for the PSL, as simple as that. You can't pick and choose.
That doesn't discount the argument that BCB is arguably BCCI's puppet.
There are a couple things to consider.
First, if this was FIFA or other football boards, they would have shown much more strength in making sure cricket returns to Pakistan. ICC has shown very little strength in helping cricket return to Pakistan even though it is awfully clear Pakistan is safe for cricket now (this is not an opinion, this is just data). One African board forced teams to play in Africa after a much worse attack on a team in which players actually died. FIFA backed them to make sure teams didn't stop touring Angola. Here, ICC completely left it to the boards and didn't do much. If the governing council doesn't show mettle, the boards will do whatever players will please. This responsibility lies entirely with ICC.
Second, an event that took 10+ years is not a reasonable excuse to tour in 2019. You can reasonable use that as an excuse for a few years, but after 10 years you have to look at the current ground reality, which can change (and has changed) significantly in 10 years.
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Yep. ICC have deemed Pakistan safe for international cricket. If teams refuse to play in Pakistan, they should be forfeiting the games.
Don't think I got my point acrossed clearly. Let's say I said that Pakistan is a safe enough place for me to visit. Tom beside me can have a complete opposite view with the same informations both of us are provided with. A team doesn't consist of 1-3 players, it consists of 15 players usually, coaching staffs, sometimes family members. Just because 1 or 2 said they have no problem on visiting a certain country, that doesn't necessarily include the whole staff + player in the list. Same with kiwi players/aus players/etc. Just because x, y and z put up their name to play psl doesn't mean the whole team is ok with it.
Also from what I have read, seems like thier government also have a big role on the decision of this tour
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Again, I don't PERSONALLY THINK Pakistan is a battle hazard place as the media portraits it out to be. It's like any other regular country, with wonderful people I would assume going on with their lives, where once in a while, crazy radical decides to do something stupid and gets blown out of proportion. Now, what others thinks is their own business. I agree that ICC has not been upto the mark on helping out PCB but breaking trust in any type of relationship/truth/unable to deliver on what was promised has sever consequences. You are witnessing it first hand. However, what I don't agree with is forcing someone to do something they are not comfortable with.
After reading this and some of the other tweets on Twitter, I sincerely hope we don't tour Pakistan. Infact, I think we should boycott Pakistan completely. The racism and delusional superiority complex is bright as daylight. "BCB is a puppet of BCCI", "Bangladesh is a colony of India" like REALLY?
When it comes to sports, the governing body has to play a strong role instead of abdicating its role to individual boards like what ICC has done. This notion about a 10 year old incident being used to justify not touring Pakistan is also absurd IMO. That excuse should only reasonably be used for a few years at most. After that, you have to look ground reality. ICC has completely failed the PCB in pushing the other boards to tour Pakistan, especially in the recent past when the security situation has dramatically gotten better. You have to look at how football boards and FIFA would have dealt with this (and there are examples of this), where they came down with an iron fist.
With respect to forcing someone to do something they are not comfortable with, this is about a professional sporting board, not individual people. They should be fulfilling their obligations. If we continue down this route, I can tell you their bar for visiting countries like Pakistan or Bangladesh is much higher than India or England, because the latter are more glamorous. if left to the boards, they will continue doing what their players want, which is to play cricket in more glamorous places. ICC has to step in and do its job or punish these boards. And before anyone says that "Pakistan should make itself more glamorous", no. This is professional sports, not tourism.
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Australia havent toured Pakistan since 1998, NZ since 2002. But Eng SA and India toured till 2008.
Did the reasons of Aussies or Kiwis become invalid because eng SA and India toured?
Just because lankans tour, doesnot means others will.
But if majority of teams tour then others will be willing to tour.
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PCB will threat? Lol. And do what exactly?
This superiority complex of few pakistanis is their undoing.
Your analogy with Aussies and Kiwis is not a valid analogy, because those countries did not tour BEFORE to England, SA, WI, India, etc did. In the case of BD, they would be not touring AFTER SL did tour.
The key difference is that once a tour happens, it demonstrates a stronger security presence and situation.
The other notable thing is that when both times Australia and NZ had tours scheduled, there were major escalations in the terrorism situation in Pakistan, which was not present when other countries toured. Australia actually send their A team around that time because during that year the security situation was quite stable.
If they don't play with us, they'll have to concede their points.
Good for us. Won't have to play 2 matches and will get points for it too
Once again, you're going on and on about how this is professional sport, ICC's fault, some are saying India's fault, BCB's fault, yadi yadi yada. No one cares. You are only looking at the issue through a pakistani point of view, once you start looking through an outsider's point of view, it becomes very clear on why its hard for you guys to attract teams to play in pakistan. England still visited BD after the restaurant terrorist attack, where as you guys are no where close to even closing such a deal with them. You guys are even having a terrible time convincing BD to come and visit. That should already tell you where teams stands TRUSTING Pakistan's security. It's unfair to blame others for your team's misfortune, it's completely PCB's fault on breaking the trust in the first place. Trust is something you don't play around with, once it's broken, you never get it back fully. It's the same concept in a relationship, if you find out that your partner cheated, even if you got back together, that trust will never be the same ever again.
While we are on this subject, I see several guys are mentioning that 10 years is a long time, so on and so forth. People should forget and move on. However, since this thread is about Pak cricket and BCB, people are still salty about the cancled tour between bd/pak. Some of you guys are not even able to forget and move past that, you want rest of the world to forget about a terrorist attack towards a team. I don't understand this logic nor do I understand this argument.
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Who said they will concede points? When did PCB become ICC?
Majority of teams dont tour Pakistan. If Lankans want to be the exception they can be. Doesnt mean other teams will have to follow the Lankans.
So if BCB does what every other team except SL is doing, no one will punish them.
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These teams refused to tour even when other teams were willing to tour. Now when except SL no other team is willing to play tests in Pakistan, why will BD tour?
They have every right to refuse like other countries and ICC cant force them. Unless ICC is willing to force every country to tour pakistan.
Leave ICC, International tennis Federation shifted the Davis cup ties outside Pakistan.
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Stick to topic not usual diversion tactics .Davis cup is entire different matters between 2 enemy countries .Bd have send there emerging, u16 and women team to pakistan recently .When was last time india sent u16 or women team to Pakistan?
And also hold some card close to your chest because if bd tour pakistan you will look like a stupid .so don't be too sure without any official announcement
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Whether BD tours or not is up to BD. My point is that the choice lies with BD. PCB can force them.
Just because SL toured, doesnot mean BD will too.
BD and Pakistan are not very friendly either.
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Where is official statement about pcb" forcing" bd board .Ofcourse it is there choice and pcb will decide what to do with them if they don't tour
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Question is whether pcb can take coercive action, like asking BD to forfeit points?
That decision will lie with the ICC.
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1)since bcb already make a mind of not touring with mens international team in pak sending u16,emerging and women team to Pakistan was wrong move
2)Sl test series is vital for pakistan if it goes well .Pcb case will be stronger .
3) don't know what will icc do if bd government get involved and give no clearance to bcb .More like tour will be fortified
4)worse case scenario pcb will shift test matches to uae and just oblige to icc rule and fulfill icc commitment about icc test championship
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Surely ICC must have thought about all these issues when designing this competition - should have been made crystal clear.
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1. No one knows yet, what bcb will do. We only have reports.
2. Well, yes and no.
3. Unless ICC is willing to force every team to tour pakistan, they cannot force BD alone.
4. Will be the sensible solution if BD refuses. But posters here are saying PCB is more powerful than bcb and can force them, bcb will lose points etc etc etc.
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Well only thing is ICC cannot force BD to tour and dock them points and then allow other countries the choice to play their matches with pakistan on neutral ground.
Either everyone gets the choice of deciding between Uae and pakistan or no one gets it.
Secondly, all tour agreements are bilateral.
I just mentioned in my previous posts that Australia and NZ had tours scheduled at times of major escalations, and in between Australia A toured.
I've been mentioning that ICC should force, or at the very least penalize countries for not touring Pakistan.
The reasoning mentioned there was due to political issues between the country and not safety issues.
I carefully explained why ICC hasn't done its job and that there are examples from other sports where governing bodies came down much stronger after such incidents. You completely ignored that, and are repeating your arguments that I have already answered. This is not about Pakistani POV, this is just basic logic. The fact that other sport governing bodies have dealt with these cases much better than ICC is not a Pakistan POV and speaks volumes. It seems like you don't want to listen to those cases and have very little interest in finding how ICC could have helped significantly more.
Ditto with it being professional sport, which you completely ignored as well. You keep using analogies of people's individual lives, which are completely useless and nonsensical in the context of professional sports. There's a reason why I brought up the fact that this is professional sports, and if that does not matter to you then you should not be making arguments, because that is a very important point here.
You are comparing opinions of people on a forum v/s what cricket boards are doing. Does that help in understanding why your comparison is faulty?
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1. What was the escalation for ever Australia tour for 20 years?
2. No sporting body will force when majority of its members are opposed to it. ICC is what its members make it. There are issues and members vote on it. You think PCB has votes to make anything out of this? No.
1996 WC, SL was backed by Bcci and they got enough votes in the ICC to have Aus and WI penalised for not playing in SL. Right now no pbe except SL is willing to play in Pakistan, so ICC cant do jack. Cant force, cant penalize.
Thats one point,
Other one is that if ICC forces and a team visits pakistan, and someone is injured or worse killed in a terror attack, what do you think will happen to the ICC executives? They will be sued for forcing this tour despite the team having reservations.
The ITF shifted the tour as AITA said the situation is not safe for Indians to visit pakistan in view of the political situation. The reason was safety.
The govt made it clear that it will be ITFs responsibility if team is sent to pakistan.
ITF understood where it was heading. They changed the venue.
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No sporting body will force teams to tour, when majority of the members refuse. The votes on the executive committee and general assembly will simply shoot down any such proposal.
And on top of that if a governing body forces such a tour, then they will have to face the consequences of any untoward incident.
What will ICC do if 10 of its 12 members say we will not visit Pakistan? The proposal is gone. Voted down.
Don't be so gullible. The reason was obviously not safety. They just didn't want to visit Pakistan because they're Indians. Even if Pakistan was as safe as Nepal, India would have used the "safety" excuse. It's all a bluff and you know it but you're choosing to ignore it
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That's because the relationship between pak and India wasn't as bad before the Pulwama attack than after.
Now it's on another level and isn't going to improve.
You think another "aane do" series is possible?
Not a chance
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Visits have happened even after wars.
This is a security issue and ITF agreed it was not safe.
Not clear what you are asking here.
I gave examples of other sporting bodies showing more strength. Your example could've worked there, but it doesn't, because the sporting body stepped in and made sure other boards didn't pull the non-sense that cricketing boards have been pulling for years.
If they are scared of getting sued, they should not play cricket anywhere. As a matter of fact, no sports should happen anywhere. Athletes have been killed or injured throughout the globe. The scenario you mentioned has not happened.
Yes, a political situation that only effects Indians. No one else.
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1. What escalation happened that Aussies couldnot tour for 20 years?
2. What example?
Do you understand that ICC has power due to its members? Majority of members do not want to visit pakistan. No sporting body can go againist the majority of its members. Because the members will just outvote the proposal. What will the sporting body do? Throughout majority of its members? You sir think that ICC will say go to Pakistan and everyone will go. No. Boards will simply ask for a vote in the executive council and get this shot down.
3. Have teams been forced to go despite majority of them saying we wont go? No. Sometimes one or two teams refuse and they are dealt with. Here everyone is refusing except 1 or 2.
4.Security situation that has made sure majority of teams dont tour pakistan.
In 2002, there was an attack near NZ team hotel. In 2008, there was a surge in terrorism. In between, in 2005, the same time England was visiting, Australia A visited.
I gave an example of the attack on team in Angola around 2010 before to you.
They can vote down initially, but if the ICC leadership kept pushing continuously, they would have eventually budge over a time. It might have taken a few years, but not 10+ years. You generally look at these things in the short term, and I look at them in the long term. You said weakened teams visiting Pakistan won't help anyone, when weakened PSL teams were visiting, and I said it will still help in the long term. It did help in the long term, as SL is now going to visit for a test match, which they were unwilling to do just a few months ago. ICC members can shoot down proposals in the short term, but if ICC leadership kept pushing and kept going at it weeks and months on out, the situation could be different in the long term.
This has nothing to do with getting sued because player might get injured or killed.
The explanation India used for the AITA was that the political situation has spiraled out of controlled since India did what it did in Kashmir in August. You are now twisting that to suggest something else entirely.
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1. From 1998 to 2008, 10 years. Not once could Aussie team find it suitable to play 1 match in pakistan? Really?
2. And i showed you how the Angola team wanted to play on, but was called back by its govt. The african football body took this as govt interference and banned Angola. Angola sued them in CAS. Fifa stepped in and lifted the ban. So no, not even Fifa will risk security.
3.Icc leadership is chosen by its membes via vote. So they do whats good for majority of the members.And members have made their views known. There is nothing anyone can do unless majority agrees.
4. AITA told ITF that pakistan is not safe. The situation is even worse after recent events. ITF agreed. The reason was security.
The toured in 1998. Their next scheduled tours were in 2002 and 2008. Unless you are saying they should have been touring out of schedule?
And did other teams stop touring because of that? No, since a strong action was taken, nothing of the sort happened.
That's not how it works. ICC leadership are not (or are not supposed to be, at least) a lackey of its members. There's a reason why BCCI was in dispute with Shashank Manohar. They can be voted in by whomever but they can still independently push for things they want. And that's what ICC leadership should have done.
You are quite literally twisting what happened. Here's the Indian complaint:
https://www.rediff.com/sports/repor...use-to-travel-to-pakistan-tennis/20191015.htm
The security situation in Pakistan isn't even mentioned in the complain.
Anything that happened after that was based on this complaint and its merits.
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I am just going to assume you are giving your opinion without reading mine. Go back to my post previously where I fully AGREED WITH YOU on ICC not being supportive towards your team. Perhaps, you are the one repeating over and over again without actually acknowleding what others have stated? The fact that I agreed with you on ICC not doing their part, and you failed to acknowledge it, tells me that it was a waste of my time explaning my POV. You don't have to agree with my POV, that's fine, but to completely disregard what I stated and just dishing out your own opinion does not make the debate interesting.
Also what exactly do you mean by individual life? A team consists of players + team members (individual lives) - they don't agree, no one to represent the sport. How in the world is that nonsensical? Regardless, I did not mention individual lives, rather talked about a team/board. The only place where I talked about Indivdual players is when I quoted the other guy explaning to him that just cause x, y, z agreed to travel from a certain team, doesn't mean all the players will be willing to travel, that infact is a fair and valid point. If a team consists of 15 players, only 4 agrees, rest says no, team can't magically tour with 3-4 players.
"You are comparing opinions of people on a forum v/s what cricket boards are doing. Does that help in understanding why your comparison is faulty?"
There is a reason that paragraph was completey seperated and even took a different direction - might want to reread it again. My reply to you was on the previous paragraph, 2nd paragraph was a general comment on the subject regarding the people on the forum/community and you're trying to windle down the second paragraph with the first. Come on man, that was uncalled for.
Doesn't seem like you read my post so here i'll sum it up for you here - basis of my argument was loosing trust. Once you break it, expect to bend over and over again and it still may not come back fully unfortunetly.
I am just going to assume you are giving your opinion without reading mine. Go back to my post previously where I fully AGREED WITH YOU on ICC not being supportive towards your team. Perhaps, you are the one repeating over and over again without actually acknowleding what others have stated? The fact that I agreed with you on ICC not doing their part, and you failed to acknowledge it, tells me that it was a waste of my time explaning my POV. You don't have to agree with my POV, that's fine, but to completely disregard what I stated and just dishing out your own opinion does not make the debate interesting.
Also what exactly do you mean by individual life? A team consists of players + team members (individual lives) - they don't agree, no one to represent the sport. How in the world is that nonsensical? Regardless, I did not mention individual lives, rather talked about a team/board. The only place where I talked about Indivdual players is when I quoted the other guy explaning to him that just cause x, y, z agreed to travel from a certain team, doesn't mean all the players will be willing to travel, that infact is a fair and valid point. If a team consists of 15 players, only 4 agrees, rest says no, team can't magically tour with 3-4 players.
"You are comparing opinions of people on a forum v/s what cricket boards are doing. Does that help in understanding why your comparison is faulty?"
There is a reason that paragraph was completey seperated and even took a different direction - might want to reread it again. My reply to you was on the previous paragraph, 2nd paragraph was a general comment on the subject regarding the people on the forum/community and you're trying to windle down the second paragraph with the first. Come on man, that was uncalled for.
Doesn't seem like you read my post so here i'll sum it up for you here - basis of my argument was loosing trust. Once you break it, expect to bend over and over again and it still may not come back fully unfortunetly.
Ok, that's not completely unfair, however, I'll go back to the fact that it's been 10+ years, and that excuse can only be used for so long. They need to look at the current ground reality instead of acting like its 2009.
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1. So what stopped the tours in 2002 and 2008? Pakistan hosted the 2008 Asia cup. No?
2.The other teams took their decision. Angola took theirs and FIFA supported Angola. Lol at strong decision. That decision was overturned by FiFa the moment Angola went to CAS.
3. The ICC leadership is to work for its members. Manohar was elected because of BCCIs support. Then when the BCCI was run by the courts he went anti BCCI to get votes. Now the BCCI is back, lets see how long Manohar survives.
And no, No ICC leadership can work independently. Things has to pass the executive committee vote. Already Manohar is at loggerheads with Bcci and now ECB and CA has issues with him.
He thinks he can rule ICC by playing the politics of getting support of the smaller boards against BCCI ECB and CA. Lets see how that plays out.
4. The ITF has sought our response on Pakistan's appeal. Our stand has not changed. We still feel that security concerns remain in Pakistan for our players and neutral venue is a better option. We will convey this to the ITF on Tuesday. ITF will let us know a final decision by November 18," AITA secretary Hironmoy Chatterjee told PTI.
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....-firm-on-security-concerns-1617998-2019-11-11
We know what ITF decided.
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I hear that a final decision on the tour will not come till SL tour is over.
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According to reports, PCB have proposed to play one of the Tests as a D/N fixture in Karachi. No response received yet, though.
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I think it all depends upon SL tour. BCB is just delaying stuff for now..
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Don't think there will be a resumption in cricketing ties between these two countries especially with the excuses that are still coming out of the BCB.
Even for a second lets entertain such scenario...
Any xyz team lose points for this.
What happens next ? You think icc decides who plays who in bilateral series?No they are bilateral series and are decided and arranged by respective countries.
As we have already know most countries dont deem fit to visit pak so on next FTP they simply wont arrange a single home series for pakistan and pakistan will be on tremendous loss and pcb knows it.thats why they still play on neutral venues even if its a burden on thier revenue.
Yes icc trophies case is completely something else and pak is most likly going to play in tournaments inside india.there will be noise but they will play ofc.
And for major icc tournaments inside pak! Im not aware which one they have been alotted to even consider discussing this!
So what pcb can do? Slowly convince countries like BD,SL,WI to play home series in pakistan and let other countries see the results and slowly pull them in..
Yes its a long process may take next 5-10-15 years who knows but thats the only option they have since they are not well off to mess with otherboards at all.
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I thought I will see majority posts from BD fans. Seems like cricketjoshila is all BD fans combined in one, specially when it comes to anti-Pakistan agenda.
On topic: if BD women team, SL Men team can visit, there should be no excuse. Pakistan is indeed safe, and as per the latest safety index for cities released, it is safer than Mumbai, Delhi, Melbourne, and several European cities. Why not visit and enjoy the hospitality. Stop being dictated by BCCI all the time BCB, man up and tour.
On topic: if BD women team, SL Men team can visit, there should be no excuse. Pakistan is indeed safe, and as per the latest safety index for cities released, it is safer than Mumbai, Delhi, Melbourne, and several European cities. Why not visit and enjoy the hospitality. Stop being dictated by BCCI all the time BCB, man up and tour.
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