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Will the next generation of Pakistan/Bangladesh players consistently defeat India ?

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Losses in emerging Asia Cup, under-19 Asia Cups and even under 19 World Cups and other tournaments over the last 5 -6 years to both PAK and BD teams is an ominous sign for the next generation of Indian cricketers.

There was a team when emerging Indian sides looked untouchable at least in Asia.

Seems like that's no longer the case and we aren't producing players with the raw ability that Pakistan and Bangladesh are producing.

So will next generation BD/PAK cricketers dominate India in international cricket as well?
 
It looks like this will keep happpening in the near future,,

cant see how the indians will challenege pakistan or bangladesh in the future, indian cricket is decreasing in terms of quality
 
There is always chalk and cheese because they way develop is different. Bangladessh youth team has been doing well for years. But at top level without much better coaching, game awareness, improved skills they get exposed. How many times South African has won u19 world cup. But look at the talent they unleash.
 
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For PAK vs IND, I feel the same. The young Pakistani cricketers have already started giving tough time to India. Maybe it is due to the fact that patriotism is on peak after May clashes between the both nations and it has played a crucial role in Pakistan's recent wins vs India.

Both sides are supercharged, but young Indian cricketers became prey to their emotions and aggression despite being talented. This guy Suryavanshi was one of the examples today. Lots of work need to be done on both sides to be emotionally stable.

Boys like Sameer Minhas, Ali Raza, Maaz Sadaqat, Saad Baig, Azan Awais, have great potential. Cannot forget this match either
 
Ball Blazer said:
For PAK vs IND, I feel the same. The young Pakistani cricketers have already started giving tough time to India. Maybe it is due to the fact that patriotism is on peak after May clashes between the both nations and it has played a crucial role in Pakistan's recent wins vs India.

Both sides are supercharged, but young Indian cricketers became prey to their emotions and aggression despite being talented. This guy Suryavanshi was one of the examples today. Lots of work need to be done on both sides to be emotionally stable.

Boys like Sameer Minhas, Ali Raza, Maaz Sadaqat, Saad Baig, Azan Awais, have great potential. Cannot forget this match either
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Our u19's have always been competitive. But beyond that they get mired in the rubbish system. India has a better system and they will develop their players. We won't. They used to have a system not too different to ours. But now theirs is better than ours. As long as we rely on pathetic vision less morons to run everything. And babus we have no chance.
 
Lmaoooo
It’s u 19

It’s under 19

It’s people under or 19 years old

It’s a pointless tournament.
No one cares.

Senior men’s is what matters. International cricket. And no it won’t happen for another 20 years.
 
the Great Khan said:
Our u19's have always been competitive. But beyond that they get mired in the rubbish system. India has a better system and they will develop their players. We won't. They used to have a system not too different to ours. But now theirs is better than ours. As long as we rely on pathetic vision less morons to run everything. And babus we have no chance.
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Unlike Indian players who just has one league to focus on pak players will have myriad of leagues they can take part in. CPL, BBL, 100, ILT20, MLCT20.. etc So they can easily get distracted
 
Pakistan is also a World Cup winning country that has produced some of the greatest cricketer ever. If they have a resurgence it won’t be a surprise, you’re making it seem like we are losing to Uganda or something.

Yes Bangladesh is what should concern us but then again, phases come and ago, other teams also have phases where they become very good. Remember Sri Lanka in the late 90s and 2000s they were a world beating team. India doesn’t own cricket. I her nations also play to win and we must welcome tough competition.
 
Look, winning helps breed confidence, but ultimately that has to be a development pathway for both this batch of players and the emerging team batch.

That means more considered Shaheen selections. It means regular runs in domestic competitions, in both regional and departmental competitions.

And most importantly, these guys need reps against high level competition. That means both SENA tours against actual A teams and hosting said teams as well.

An easy example of improvement is the Pakistan senior t20 side itself. It played India three times in the Asia Cup, and despite the three losses, each game increasingly more competitive.

The same applies to the age groups and the Shaheens. That’s how the difference between domestic and international competition is bridged for these kids
 
Good question. But my guess is it will take a considerable period of time for this change to show on the international level/senior men's level because the cricketing structures in both countries are very poor. Even if a player has raw talent, both countries don't have the system to take these players to the next level and turn them into finished products. Pakistan in particular are notorious for destroying good talents in a variety of ways, particularly fast-bowlers.
 
Consistently defeating India? Is India focusing on kabaddi now? That isn’t going to happen anytime now given how much money BCCI has poured into cricket and making it a viable career option for kids to pursue.

Beating India every now and then? Sure.
 
The development pathway is considerably different, and U-19 is not a guarantee of future success.

I was watching interview of Atherton and Nasser and they mentioned getting demolished by an Aussie u-19 team and none of the Aussies really even went on to have a FC career.

After this is where the rela test starts, and only those who are able to constantly evolve, and develop control over their own game progress to the next level.

Indian players will enter Ranji system which is one of the most robust FC tournaments globally. They may enter IPL franchises where they have access to top class coaching, facilities and players.

For our players, we dont even know which type of FC will exist next year, will it be departments or regions. We don't know how long it will last and who will be the coach, will we have random champions cups etc etc.Heck we don't even know what the pitches will be like.

India's players are entering structure, u-19 cricket is probably the last time our players will see some structure. Now they will enter the world of chaos.
 
It happens like occasional rains similar to seniors .One can take example of 2021 u19 wc final.There were Jaiswal, bishnoi, tilak , jurel from India. Even though they lost , every one went on to much higher horizons and consistently improving. Victorious bng team players have not evolved much in comparison. Even after disastrous Ct 17, india went to bring attacking spinners in the middle overs.After t20 wc 22/21, they brought batting till 8 to fix the issues.Pak and Bng teams aren't much interested in learning and improving. Retrospection is a banned term for them.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
The development pathway is considerably different, and U-19 is not a guarantee of future success.

I was watching interview of Atherton and Nasser and they mentioned getting demolished by an Aussie u-19 team and none of the Aussies really even went on to have a FC career.

After this is where the rela test starts, and only those who are able to constantly evolve, and develop control over their own game progress to the next level.

Indian players will enter Ranji system which is one of the most robust FC tournaments globally. They may enter IPL franchises where they have access to top class coaching, facilities and players.

For our players, we dont even know which type of FC will exist next year, will it be departments or regions. We don't know how long it will last and who will be the coach, will we have random champions cups etc etc.Heck we don't even know what the pitches will be like.

India's players are entering structure, u-19 cricket is probably the last time our players will see some structure. Now they will enter the world of chaos.
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True. At the under-19 level it is unstructured everywhere. First of all in a country like India finding the best under-19 itself is a massive hit or miss. I am sure there must be so many deserving guys not being able to make it because they are from small villlages or external influence. That is where IPL plays a massive role. IPL doesn't follow the conventional method of scouting. They even check instagram videos to locate talent. Bumrah was spotted randomly by JOhn wright. IN 2013 John wright noticed him for hsi unique action and raw pace with that action. Something struck his mind. If it were the old method Bumrah may have never played a Test match. Even IPL scouting is tough gig.

This is where Domestic premiere leagues play a role. This is not the BCCI running competition SMAT. This is the respective states/cities that run.. Each state/city that host premiere leagues will have their own trials. Anybody can go. You don't have to be a divisional player. If you have some unique skill you can showcase. Your search pool gets significantly wider with more leagues. Varun C basically a tennis ball bowler who was working as an architect and also trying to become a director/actor/musician. He went for trial. Played local premiere league. Then Dinesh karthik spotted him signed up for KKR. But for these little league he would have retired as an architect.

There are many stories like that.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
True. At the under-19 level it is unstructured everywhere. First of all in a country like India finding the best under-19 itself is a massive hit or miss. I am sure there must be so many deserving guys not being able to make it because they are from small villlages or external influence. That is where IPL plays a massive role. IPL doesn't follow the conventional method of scouting. They even check instagram videos to locate talent. Bumrah was spotted randomly by JOhn wright. IN 2013 John wright noticed him for hsi unique action and raw pace with that action. Something struck his mind. If it were the old method Bumrah may have never played a Test match. Even IPL scouting is tough gig.

This is where Domestic premiere leagues play a role. This is not the BCCI running competition SMAT. This is the respective states/cities that run.. Each state/city that host premiere leagues will have their own trials. Anybody can go. You don't have to be a divisional player. If you have some unique skill you can showcase. Your search pool gets significantly wider with more leagues. Varun C basically a tennis ball bowler who was working as an architect and also trying to become a director/actor/musician. He went for trial. Played local premiere league. Then Dinesh karthik spotted him signed up for KKR. But for these little league he would have retired as an architect.

There are many stories like that.
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And let’s be honest
Under 19 is probably 25 in Pakistan in reality

@Nikhil_cric

Indians actually looked under 19.
 
kron said:
And let’s be honest
Under 19 is probably 25 in Pakistan in reality

@Nikhil_cric

Indians actually looked under 19.
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Why do you have to come here and destroy a perfectly civil conversation. Do you have something stuck in your trousers?? Or were you taught to be this way? Every Pakistan player looked their age. And I should know as i have two of them at home. Idiot.
 
kron said:
And let’s be honest
Under 19 is probably 25 in Pakistan in reality

@Nikhil_cric

Indians actually looked under 19.
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Many Pakistani will take offence to this post but its actually true. Same reason BD won the last 2 Asia Cup u-19s & World Cup U19 but nothing came out of it in senior cricket

India had same problem earlier. Overage players wud dominate in youth cricket but not live up to expectations in seniors. Like Ambati Rayudu , Unmukt Chand , Baba Aparajith , Reetinder Sodhi. Now BCCI is strict on age fraud hence we are struggling in Asia Cup

Playing overage players in youth cricket oftem creates a false impression. So hold ur horses & wait for them to perform in senior cricket
 
the Great Khan said:
Why do you have to come here and destroy a perfectly civil conversation. Do you have something stuck in your trousers?? Or were you taught to be this way? Every Pakistan player looked their age. And I should know as i have two of them at home. Idiot.
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It’s under 19? Who even cares about these?

Senior is what matters.
 
Many Pakistani posters talk about structure here & they are right. Only thing is weeding out age frauds is equally important part of good structure

Dravid always talked against this practice as youth manager & forced BCCI to act. PCB needs to do the same
 
Like if Sameer Minhas is geuine 18 year old - then its great for Pakistan cricket

But what if Sameer is 23-24 years old. Then its a case of a older guy bullying teenagers. Just like that Pranav Dhanavde guy. That guy scored 1000 runs against 12 year olds & after initial hype faded into oblivion
 
NishanKonar said:
Like if Sameer Minhas is geuine 18 year old - then its great for Pakistan cricket

But what if Sameer is 23-24 years old. Then its a case of a older guy bullying teenagers. Just like that Pranav Dhanavde guy
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wins and losses are part of the game.
 
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the Great Khan said:
Why do you have to come here and destroy a perfectly civil conversation. Do you have something stuck in your trousers?? Or were you taught to be this way? Every Pakistan player looked their age. And I should know as i have two of them at home. Idiot.
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Hardly any Pakistani player looked their age.
 
NishanKonar said:
Like if Sameer Minhas is geuine 18 year old - then its great for Pakistan cricket

But what if Sameer is 23-24 years old. Then its a case of an older guy bullying teenagers. Just like that Pranav Dhanavde guy
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Shaheen shah is probably 35 tbh
Naseem lol biggest fraud ever. Add another 5 years. Was 16 for ages.

I will call out Indian ones too if I see it.

Shami is 40 in reality
Dhongi is probably 5 years older than his age.

I definitely think akashdeep is 35
 
kron said:
Shaheen shah is probably 35 tbh
Naseem lol biggest fraud ever. Add another 5 years. Was 16 for ages.

I will call out Indian ones too if I see it.

Shami is 40 in reality
Dhongi is probably 5 years older than his age.

I definitely think akashdeep is 35
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Dhoni Sehwag Yuvraj Zaheer Harbhajan Shami are all 3-4 years older than their official ages

There is a reason India & Pakistan win these U19 WCs but Australia wins the real WC

Bcoz Australia plays with actual u19s
 
NishanKonar said:
Dhoni Sehwag Yuvraj Zaheer Harbhajan Shami are all 3-4 years older than their official ages

There is a reason India & Pakistan win these U19 WCs but Australia wins the real WC

Bcoz Australia plays with actual u19s
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Sometimes ago a pak fan pointed out that domestic pak coaches themselves will ask/force players to reduce the age 4/5 years for better opportunities.
 
Playing India regularly in friendly bilaterals v playing India in rare ICC, Asia cup matches is two very different things

They will all be ok in regular bilaterals

Nothing can be said or predicted in ICC/Asia cup high intensity fixtures
 
kron said:
Really? Rich from a Bangla claiming to be an Indian.

Go follow Bangladesh.

I never cry at all. Go ahead and ban. Infact I got banned in icf lel. Dont care one bit.
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Oh, so now that you have been exposed, I suddenly became Bangladeshi? Waah waah. :yk :inti
 
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