Will the PCB-NZC relationship ever be the same again?

[Savak]

The PCB has been smarting for a very long time from the manner in which Bangladesh used it in the past due to which PCB held a grudge against it for a long time.

Will the PCB feel the same way about NZCB now?

 

[Sher Khan]

Wasim Khan was crying outside the Cricket Board building. If the CEO can be brought to tears by this recklessness of NZC. Imagine how the PCB as a whole must feel about NZC.

Wasim realises the huge impact this careless decision will have on Pakistan and Pakistan Cricket we are back to square one and the hard work and efforts are gone.

 

[PakLFC]

We should but we won't. This is because we always try to be extra nice to everyone so to get some Cricket. We lick their boots instead of ever saying"no" to anything or taking a stance.

 

[ahsan17]

We should but we won't. This is because we always try to be extra nice to everyone so to get some Cricket. We lick their boots instead of ever saying"no" to anything or taking a stance.

Basically this. PCB has been too diplomatic to these 2-3 cricket boards in the recent past. I do hope they don't forget this and don't tour NZ unless they tour Pakistan first.

 

[PakLFC]

Basically this. PCB has been too diplomatic to these 2-3 cricket boards in the recent past. I do hope they don't forget this and don't tour NZ unless they tour Pakistan first.

Not only at Cricket but generally we try to be too nice to even tourists. Always this thing of being great hosts gets up my nose. It is like we are begging other teams more then arranging tours. Outside Cricket we role out the red carpet for people who just don't deserve it.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Wasim Khan was crying outside the Cricket Board building. If the CEO can be brought to tears by this recklessness of NZC. Imagine how the PCB as a whole must feel about NZC.

Wasim realises the huge impact this careless decision will have on Pakistan and Pakistan Cricket we are back to square one and the hard work and efforts are gone.

Really? When did this happen that he cried?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Its very simple.

Tour NZ and withdraw on the first day citing intelligence telling that Pak team will be attacked.

Even the most powerful nation will be stung and NZ is just a small cog.

I would like to see how they react.

I am sure the current "Pakistani fans should calm down" will change to "block all ties with Pakistan" and Pakistan should have trusted NZ security.

Unilateral decisions stink.

No matter what the excuse.

 

[saeedhk]

Even if we remember this episode forever, what can we do apart from making memes and posting emotional statuses!

 

[Shafi]

PCB has beggar and boot licking mentality.There will not be any different in future.If NZ invite us 2 T20 matches, PCB will send players.

 

[Mesozoic]

Its very simple.

Tour NZ and withdraw on the first day citing intelligence telling that Pak team will be attacked.

And what good will come off that?

Pretty much everyone would think Pakistan are just being petty and are doing this out of spite. Yes, NZC will incur a few losses but things will be back to normal when an Australia or India or South Africa tours them a month later and then life goes on.

PCB would only have managed to sow doubts in the minds of every cricket board (even the ones that actually have no issues touring pak like SLC, CSA, CWI etc) and will only make them more hesitant to visit. I am sure PCB are smart enough to not go down that road and press the self-destruct button. Pulling off something like that would do much more damage to Pak cricket than Lahore 2009.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I think Pakistan needs to convince NZ to come in 2022 and establish good cricketing ties with them. This should not end everything and years of good relationship.

 

[Major]

Pakistan and nz relations were already bad when nz officials mistreated pakistani players back in the 2020 tour. They had threaten to sen us back.
And as usual, we were the diplomatic yes sir, koi nahi we will comply to your orders.

Now that event had been for gotten. We had nz coming in and we treated with royalty, and when they pull out like this, this will make the whole country angry. Plus what they did last time to us gets add up.

Pakistan should avoid inviting nz for series. To icc they should let them know that while the schdule does force them to play with nz, the issue is that if teams pull out due to security reason than pcb cant be arranging series in other grounds.

Icc should finance series in other grounds

 

[Rana]

And what good will come off that?

Pretty much everyone would think Pakistan are just being petty and are doing this out of spite. Yes, NZC will incur a few losses but things will be back to normal when an Australia or India or South Africa tours them a month later and then life goes on.

PCB would only have managed to sow doubts in the minds of every cricket board (even the ones that actually have no issues touring pak like SLC, CSA, CWI etc) and will only make them more hesitant to visit. I am sure PCB are smart enough to not go down that road and press the self-destruct button. Pulling off something like that would do much more damage to Pak cricket than Lahore 2009.

What good has being the nice guy done for Pakistan?!

Man get out of here with your fake sympathy

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

There is a saying that beggars cant be choosers.

In this case we are the beggars

Truth is we need to play competitive cricket with the likes of NZ, Aus and Eng whether or not they want to come to Pakistan

If we only decide to play against teams who visit Pakistan, i.e. the Zimbabwe's and West Indies of the world then good luck in performing well in major ICC events

 

[ahsan17]

There is a saying that beggars cant be choosers.

In this case we are the beggars

Truth is we need to play competitive cricket with the likes of NZ, Aus and Eng whether or not they want to come to Pakistan

If we only decide to play against teams who visit Pakistan, i.e. the Zimbabwe's and West Indies of the world then good luck in performing well in major ICC events

Self-respect is a thing too. Cricket at the end of the day is just a sport and people will take self-respect any day over ICC rankings or trophies. Too long Pakistan has been trying to lick the boots of these boards being the nice guy. This needs to end asap.

 

[RyanRyan10]

PCB has beggar and boot licking mentality.There will not be any different in future.If NZ invite us 2 T20 matches, PCB will send players.

That's true. And NZ will most likely rest their star players while Pak will send full strength side.

 

[Mesozoic]

What good has being the nice guy done for Pakistan?!

Man get out of here with your fake sympathy

I have zero sympathies for anyone here let alone "fake sympathies".

And yes.. It may come as a surpise to you but being a nice guy actually works fine most of the time. Unless you want Babar Azam and Co to go back to the staring blue seats in Dubai, you should be hoping for PCB to be one.

 

[Space Cat]

Obviously there is a massive **** storm right now but i really hope things can be resolved and NZ can come for a full tour soon.

 

[Space Cat]

Its very simple.

Tour NZ and withdraw on the first day citing intelligence telling that Pak team will be attacked.

Even the most powerful nation will be stung and NZ is just a small cog.

I would like to see how they react.

I am sure the current "Pakistani fans should calm down" will change to "block all ties with Pakistan" and Pakistan should have trusted NZ security.

Unilateral decisions stink.

No matter what the excuse.

You really think that would solve anything?

 

[UzmanBeast]

PCB has no obligation to keep a steady relationship with NZC if they were unable to disclose information to us, and instead, ruined the prospects of cricket in our country.

We don't owe them anything, let that be clear.

It's important to take this issue to the ICC and talk about what will happen next. NZC are behaving like a bunch of children, they are yet to address the situation and take notice of their actions and the implications on Pakistan cricket.

I don't think it's wise for us to continue a relationship with them. If they don't have the heart to try and reconcile, then why waste our time on them.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Even the way NZC treated the Pakistani players during the last tour, it was just callous.

Pakistan is a multi world cup winning team with pedigree, respect or f**k off.

Cut ties with NZC.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Obviously there is a massive **** storm right now but i really hope things can be resolved and NZ can come for a full tour soon.

After what happened yesterday, I can tell you 99% of Pakistan cricket fans don’t want NZ coming again for a tour. I’d rather have a team come over that’s actually looking to play cricket and not cause unnecessary drama.

 

[sweep_shot]

Probably not. Not at least for a very long time.

NZ should have completed the tour. There was no real threat.

 

[Babeikh]

Yes eventually the relationship will be the same - nothing in this universe is permanent. How quickly that happens, however, will depend on a number of things:

Was the threat really credible and genuine or was it a run of the mill routine kind of thing intelligence agencies come across on a daily basis? If it was really credible and genuine then nobody can blame the New Zealanders for wanting to leave. However we have made a lot of progress in Pakistan in the last few years - a couple of years ago Will and Kate went on a Pakistan tour. I cannot imagine there was ZERO threat to them. There must be countless jihadi type maniacs who would have loved to have got something in but their tour went ahead successfully. We have also had countless cricket tours now of Pakistan with cricketers from all over the world provided with immense security - helicopters, roads blocked, snipers, SSG commandos etc. So I find it difficult to believe it was a really genuine credible threat but we don't know because the New Zealanders haven't passed on the information.

Which brings me to my second point. No ifs, no buts, no we will do it next week or tomorrow or in a couple of hours. NOW. THIS VERY SECOND. They HAVE TO inform the relevant authorities in Pakistan of all the details of the threat - no not the details of their intelligence monitoring - the details of the threat. So that our agencies can investigate and take necessary action. Because at the moment, if the threat is genuine, there are dangerous people on the loose who could do some serious damage to people's lives and by not sharing the information the New Zealanders are showing criminal level arrogance and negligence

 

[JattMaula]

This, too, shall pass away.

 

[Shafi]

Obviously there is a massive **** storm right now but i really hope things can be resolved and NZ can come for a full tour soon.

Probably in another 20-30 years. Many of us will not be around to see that.

 

[Shafi]

Whole thing is staged not to tour Pakistan for another 20-30 years if not 50 years. Their players and management knew that and follow the script led by their government. They came to Pakistan for short holiday just for eye wash.

 

[Hasan123]

New Zealand will survive without playing Pakistan as playing the big 3 regularly will more than make up for it. Pakistan fans think they are more relevant than they actually are. Damaging our relationship with NZ cricket board does nothing.

 

[Aman]

Pakistan and nz relations were already bad when nz officials mistreated pakistani players back in the 2020 tour. They had threaten to sen us back.
And as usual, we were the diplomatic yes sir, koi nahi we will comply to your orders.

Now that event had been for gotten. We had nz coming in and we treated with royalty, and when they pull out like this, this will make the whole country angry. Plus what they did last time to us gets add up.

Pakistan should avoid inviting nz for series. To icc they should let them know that while the schdule does force them to play with nz, the issue is that if teams pull out due to security reason than pcb cant be arranging series in other grounds.

Icc should finance series in other grounds

https://www.news.com.au/travel/dest...d/news-story/04efedf917418beea9e560ce2aa621de

Just recently a rich Auckland couple tried to get out of Auckland on a special exemption and are getting hate from all corners for putting the country at risk.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cr...ise-for-irresponsible-and-inexcusable-actions
This isn't a Pakistan specific thing, we don't like people who don't respect the rules or our country and are straight up clowns.

 

[Major]

https://www.news.com.au/travel/dest...d/news-story/04efedf917418beea9e560ce2aa621de

Just recently a rich Auckland couple tried to get out of Auckland on a special exemption and are getting hate from all corners for putting the country at risk.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cr...ise-for-irresponsible-and-inexcusable-actions
This isn't a Pakistan specific thing, we don't like people who don't respect the rules or our country and are straight up clowns.

And we dont like people who use our vvip facilities than run away with their tail in between their leg when the time comes.

This is why every nz crixket related social media is recieving hatred

 

[Sir-fraz]

Pakistan and nz relations were already bad when nz officials mistreated pakistani players back in the 2020 tour. They had threaten to sen us back.
And as usual, we were the diplomatic yes sir, koi nahi we will comply to your orders.

Now that event had been for gotten. We had nz coming in and we treated with royalty, and when they pull out like this, this will make the whole country angry. Plus what they did last time to us gets add up.

Pakistan should avoid inviting nz for series. To icc they should let them know that while the schdule does force them to play with nz, the issue is that if teams pull out due to security reason than pcb cant be arranging series in other grounds.

Icc should finance series in other grounds

NZL is nation full of weak and meek people, who have given uo their rights and freedoms.

We shouldnt tour nzl in the forseeibke future untill they tour us again.

 

[Sir-fraz]

https://www.news.com.au/travel/dest...d/news-story/04efedf917418beea9e560ce2aa621de

Just recently a rich Auckland couple tried to get out of Auckland on a special exemption and are getting hate from all corners for putting the country at risk.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cr...ise-for-irresponsible-and-inexcusable-actions
This isn't a Pakistan specific thing, we don't like people who don't respect the rules or our country and are straight up clowns.

Bruv your nation sucks. You gave up rights and freedoms for an virus thats been endemic for a year... ya'll are boderline commie...

The only clown right now is your PM who bend over to the chinese communist leaders.

This is what happens when you have a nation full of weak and meek people. You guys cant even stand up against unlawful lockdowns lmao.

The whole world is laughing at NZL and AUS right now.

 

[Snatch]

NZL is nation full of weak and meek people, who have given uo their rights and freedoms.

Whole nation generalizations now? Okay

 

[Snatch]

The whole world is laughing at NZL and AUS right now.

Out of interest, how do you define the 'whole world'? USA, UK, Canada, India? You think those countries are laughing at NZ considering it was apparently the 5 eyes alliance?

I know you're upset, but you're being immature very immature at the moment.

 

[Titan24]

Whether its NZ who just completely didn’t regard anything or any other country, if they are happy to tour as per FTP then Pak should reciprocate the same courtesy otherwise it would be a pointless loop.

Sports has commercial aspects and Pak team is not created to fill the banks of other boards by touring them and when its there turn they use multiple reasons to avoid it. Pak has successfully hosted multiple countries, a lot of foreign players in PSL including NZ, Eng and Aus. However, if some boards have issues then Pak should reciprocate in a similar manner.

Its sports business after all and you are not here to make losses or creating players and teams so that other boards can earn.

 

[Aman]

Bruv your nation sucks. You gave up rights and freedoms for an virus thats been endemic for a year... ya'll are boderline commie...

The only clown right now is your PM who bend over to the chinese communist leaders.

This is what happens when you have a nation full of weak and meek people. You guys cant even stand up against unlawful lockdowns lmao.

The whole world is laughing at NZL and AUS right now.

Auckland has been in lockdown for a total of probably 10 weeks in over 16 months I think.

Rest of NZ has been in lockdown a total of 6 or 7 weeks.

That's great given outside this we've been able to roam around safely and interact with friends, go to events etc. Little impact on our medical infrastructure and a small number of deaths.

Way better than other countries are dealing it. The one thing we messed up was with vaccinations, hopefully we're at 90% by December and we wont need to go into lockdowns anymore.

 

[Titan24]

Out of interest, how do you define the 'whole world'? USA, UK, Canada, India? You think those countries are laughing at NZ considering it was apparently the 5 eyes alliance?

I know you're upset, but you're being immature very immature at the moment.

5 eyes alliance is UK, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

 

[Titan24]

Out of interest, how do you define the 'whole world'? USA, UK, Canada, India? You think those countries are laughing at NZ considering it was apparently the 5 eyes alliance?.

5 eyes alliance is UK, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

 

[Snatch]

5 eyes alliance is UK, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

I know that, I mentioned India as another example of a country that wouldn't fit into the posters' 'the rest of the world', which apparently is code for 'Pakistan'.

 

[Nasty Naz]

It is something NZ will need to make up for such as during a full tour in Pakistan in next year (Tests/ODI's/T20).

The way NZ handled this situation is extremely poor but they did at least have the intention of going ahead with the tour, which is something they wouldn't do in the past. They had been in Pakistan for nearly a week before pulling out so intention was to actually play.

Now, if this so called security threat turns out to be nothing and Pakistan continues to safe over the next year and they decide not to even bother touring, then that's where I'd imagine things will get very sour and PCB choosing not to tour back in retaliation.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

You really think that would solve anything?

It would send a message we are not going to just roll over and accept Pakistan is unsafe.

We were providing presidential level security.

And your government couldn't even share the intelligence that took them running all the way back to NZ with PCB or Pakistani govermnent.

What do you expect?

Distribution of sweets for this decision?

 

[UzmanBeast]

Whether its NZ who just completely didn’t regard anything or any other country, if they are happy to tour as per FTP then Pak should reciprocate the same courtesy otherwise it would be a pointless loop.

Sports has commercial aspects and Pak team is not created to fill the banks of other boards by touring them and when its there turn they use multiple reasons to avoid it. Pak has successfully hosted multiple countries, a lot of foreign players in PSL including NZ, Eng and Aus. However, if some boards have issues then Pak should reciprocate in a similar manner.

Its sports business after all and you are not here to make losses or creating players and teams so that other boards can earn.

I agree.

This is the way to go now.

Teams like South Africa, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and others who have toured Pakistan should get our full support.

Teams who make excuses should not be entertained.

We hardly play any cricket with Australia and New Zealand as it stands, so it won't be much of a change either way.

Even in England, they have been raking in profits from us over the course of the Pandemic. England is a board that will be concerned if Pakistan stops touring because there is a very large fan base there and a lot of people tune into our limited over games (just listen to the crowd in the 2nd T20I in this year's series).

I would be more than happy to see Pakistan tour and receive similar tours from countries that treat us with respect and uphold their own responsibilities.

Another thing PCB must do is tap into the viewership in Pakistan. There is great potential; we could literally be making double of what we make right now if we market the PSL right, and create ways for the average person to watch and enjoy the PSL.

Get in touch with local businesses, international businesses, celebrity sponsors, and a whole lot more. Make the PSL the biggest event in the country, and once you are making a lot of viewership revenue, you can then improve your own cricket and play on your own terms.

Money governs the world.

 

[Zaz]

No I hope they dont tour nz for the forseeable future

Play teams that treat pakistan with respect and as equals Enough is enough Play teams like south africa, sri lanka WI and co

If nz alongside eng, aus and ind dont want to play in pakistan then pakistan shouldnt tour them either full stop

 

[ManFan]

I certainly hope not.

It’s one thing when a team is threatened and another when you even refuse to share the information and leave right away.

No respect, no courtesy, no care.

 

[Savak]

PCB should demand NZCB make the intelligence public, prove its authenticity or pay up damages

NZCB needs to be tried, legally sued for damages for costs, broadcasting losses incurred by the PCB or be asked to make the intelligence public and to prove its authenticity

NZCB cannot be allowed to get away with this and still be allowed to keep the intelligence confidential

 

[Titan24]

NZ will have to prove something in dispute committees or international courts when things go there as its “our internal intel” wont be enough to justify losses and damages this sudden bag packing has caused.

 

[Savak]

NZ will have to prove something in dispute committees or international courts when things go there as its “our internal intel” wont be enough to justify losses and damages this sudden bag packing has caused.

I hope the courts are smart enough to assess the so called threat level vs the level of security that was provided by the Pakistani security forces and are also smart enough to rule that tweets by ttp or Indian news articles on a threat of a potential attack on the NZ Cricket Team are not justified reasons to just pack up and leave without discussing and revealing the evidence to the Pakistani authorities

 

[Gilly]

I hope the courts are smart enough to assess the so called threat level vs the level of security that was provided by the Pakistani security forces and are also smart enough to rule that tweets by ttp or Indian news articles on a threat of a potential attack on the NZ Cricket Team are not justified reasons to just pack up and leave without discussing and revealing the evidence to the Pakistani authorities

And NZC will argue that the PCB is smart enough to have insurance to cover any unexpected events and these losses will be covered by insurance.

 

[Savak]

And NZC will argue that the PCB is smart enough to have insurance to cover any unexpected events and these losses will be covered by insurance.

Insurance will not cover a security related abandonment which is why NZCB needs to prove the credibility, authenticity of this so called intelligence and threat and make the information public

 

[Buffet]

Threat perception of NZ may be vastly different than Pakistan. Pakistan may think that threat was not high and NZ may think that threat was high. There is no way to bridge that gap.

If it goes in dispute resolution, then in the future, more teams may think twice before touring Pakistan. Teams may start worrying that Pakistan's threat perception is at a different scale due to being desperate to bring international cricket back. They may be worried about first agreeing to tour Pakistan and if the visiting team gets a credible threat then Pakistan may take them to dispute resolution.

I think it's a bad idea if the main focus is to get an international cricket back. If the focus is just about this series then dispute resolution may help.

You have to remember that the NZ team had all intention to play otherwise they wouldn't have traveled to Pakistan. If they don't feel safe and you simply go through this dispute resolution arguing about the threat being not big then you may win one round, but it will become much harder to win future rounds.

 

[Gullycricket]

Threat perception of NZ may be vastly different than Pakistan. Pakistan may think that threat was not high and NZ may think that threat was high. There is no way to bridge that gap.

If it goes in dispute resolution, then in the future, more teams may think twice before touring Pakistan. Teams may start worrying that Pakistan's threat perception is at a different scale due to being desperate to bring international cricket back. They may be worried about first agreeing to tour Pakistan and if the visiting team gets a credible threat then Pakistan may take them to dispute resolution.

I think it's a bad idea if the main focus is to get an international cricket back. If the focus is just about this series then dispute resolution may help.

You have to remember that the NZ team had all intention to play otherwise they wouldn't have traveled to Pakistan. If they don't feel safe and you simply go through this dispute resolution arguing about the threat being not big then you may win one round, but it will become much harder to win future rounds.

Thing is they had a security team here for long time. Threat is always there but what the security team determines is that whether the country is able to provide adequate cover for any eventuality. They oked it and the team came , that means they were satisfied. Problem is the manner in which they decided to leave showing us as incompetent and inept to defend against threats. And they pushed back efforts to bring back cricket here.

 

[Buffet]

Thing is they had a security team here for long time. Threat is always there but what the security team determines is that whether the country is able to provide adequate cover for any eventuality. They oked it and the team came , that means they were satisfied. Problem is the manner in which they decided to leave showing us as incompetent and inept to defend against threats. And they pushed back efforts to bring back cricket here.

NZ was surely satisfied with the security situation before coming otherwise they wouldn't have come. But the security situation is fluid in nature. They could be satisfied with Pakistan's security, but I am not sure about its covering any eventuality. I don't think any team will tour Pakistan if they think that they have a direct threat against them. General threats will always exist.

It has very little to do with how good security Pakistan is providing. It is not a judgment on security staff's being inept. It is simply a situation where players won't play if they think that there is a direct threat targeting them. I am not sure if NZ will play even in Eng if they think that they are a direct target.

NZ team already knew about the generic threat situation in Pakistan. That's not an issue. They were satisfied with the security there.

 

[JattMaula]

Threat perception of NZ may be vastly different than Pakistan. Pakistan may think that threat was not high and NZ may think that threat was high. There is no way to bridge that gap.

If it goes in dispute resolution, then in the future, more teams may think twice before touring Pakistan. Teams may start worrying that Pakistan's threat perception is at a different scale due to being desperate to bring international cricket back. They may be worried about first agreeing to tour Pakistan and if the visiting team gets a credible threat then Pakistan may take them to dispute resolution.

I think it's a bad idea if the main focus is to get an international cricket back. If the focus is just about this series then dispute resolution may help.

You have to remember that the NZ team had all intention to play otherwise they wouldn't have traveled to Pakistan. If they don't feel safe and you simply go through this dispute resolution arguing about the threat being not big then you may win one round, but it will become much harder to win future rounds.

I think PCB has come to above conclusion. Ramiz has moved on and has requested Pakistan fans to support the Pakistan team in T20 wc.

 

[Space Cat]

NZC dont have the intelligence other than the bomb threats emailed to players which was investigated and proven to be hoax.

The threat to bomb the players hotel which ultimately caused the side to abandon the tour came through to the NZ government who did not give specifics to the touring party.

Ether way its a scary situation for the touring party and i am happy the are safe. Its a shame the tour couldnt go ahead but lives are more important than sport.

 

[Savak]

And NZC will argue that the PCB is smart enough to have insurance to cover any unexpected events and these losses will be covered by insurance.

If the PCB allows NZCB to get away with this episode, it will set a very dangerous precedent

 

[ahsan17]

NZC dont have the intelligence other than the bomb threats emailed to players which was investigated and proven to be hoax.

The threat to bomb the players hotel which ultimately caused the side to abandon the tour came through to the NZ government who did not give specifics to the touring party.

Ether way its a scary situation for the touring party and i am happy the are safe. Its a shame the tour couldnt go ahead but lives are more important than sport.

The hotel bombing story has been invented by the media. NZC CEO has said they haven't heard of it.

 

[Junaids]

NZCB needs to be tried, legally sued for damages for costs, broadcasting losses incurred by the PCB or be asked to make the intelligence public and to prove its authenticity

NZCB cannot be allowed to get away with this and still be allowed to keep the intelligence confidential

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION], you are a poster whom I like and respect. Immensely.

But I think that your emotions are getting the better of you here.

I understand that normal, decent Pakistanis are upset and hurt about what happened the other day.

But please understand two things.

1. The Kiwis came - before the English, before the Australians, and before the Indians. They are your friends and they came because they want a normal cricketing relationship with you.

2. If you sue them for this, you will just ensure that those other Cricket Boards - and you can add Cricket South Africa too - will never tour Pakistan.

New Zealand are your friends and they tried to help.

But their intelligence comes almost entirely from the UK and USA, and you can't seriously believe that they would authorise the release of classified intelligence so that the junior partner can go on tour to play a ball game.

 

[Savak]

And NZC will argue that the PCB is smart enough to have insurance to cover any unexpected events and these losses will be covered by insurance.

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION], you are a poster whom I like and respect. Immensely.

But I think that your emotions are getting the better of you here.

I understand that normal, decent Pakistanis are upset and hurt about what happened the other day.

But please understand two things.

1. The Kiwis came - before the English, before the Australians, and before the Indians. They are your friends and they came because they want a normal cricketing relationship with you.

2. If you sue them for this, you will just ensure that those other Cricket Boards - and you can add Cricket South Africa too - will never tour Pakistan.

New Zealand are your friends and they tried to help.

But their intelligence comes almost entirely from the UK and USA, and you can't seriously believe that they would authorise the release of classified intelligence so that the junior partner can go on tour to play a ball game.

Hmm if they are indeed our well meaning friends, they should reimburse the PCB for the costs of security and the damages ie the loss of broadcasting and gate revenue and not dissuade other ICC members from touring Pakistan

 

[Junaids]

Hmm if they are indeed our well meaning friends, they should reimburse the PCB for the costs of security and the damages ie the loss of broadcasting and gate revenue and not dissuade other ICC members from touring Pakistan

It's a similar situation to if Bangladesh had gone home after the Christchurch attack.

You can't blame people for going home after that kind of warning.

Why is it their fault? They went home because intelligence they were given effectively told them that Pakistan had failed to detect a critical threat and had failed to keep them safe. Why are they liable to compensate the people who didn't deliver on their assurances?

I think it's an unfortunate event, and one beyond the control of both boards and teams. And this is a risk which will always accompany tours of Pakistan.

But if you try to sue the people who were threatened, you will just ensure that nobody else agrees to tour.

 

[Energy]

The bomba was so understanding that they didn't do anything as long as NZC were going on about their business for a week whilst staying in the same hotel. The hospitality grew even better when the players safely used the airport route to travel back too. Nice bomba shabaash.

Completely agree with Savak's post. If you're not sharing the intelligence then you are liable to pay damages. Can't have it both ways on a unilateral decision.

Once the dust settles and nobody cares, after a year we'll hear that an email was supposedly circulated from an Indian origin bot/cell. That's how it works, it's too late by then anyway.

 

[Gilly]

Hmm if they are indeed our well meaning friends, they should reimburse the PCB for the costs of security and the damages ie the loss of broadcasting and gate revenue and not dissuade other ICC members from touring Pakistan

I would think that the contracts entered into prior to the tour would cover what happens in these situations. No one is suggesting that Pakistan did anything wrong or are at fault for anything, it must be frustrating for all involved.

 

[Junaids]

The bomba was so understanding that they didn't do anything as long as NZC were going on about their business for a week whilst staying in the same hotel. The hospitality grew even better when the players safely used the airport route to travel back too. Nice bomba shabaash.

Completely agree with Savak's post. If you're not sharing the intelligence then you are liable to pay damages. Can't have it both ways on a unilateral decision.

Once the dust settles and nobody cares, after a year we'll hear that an email was supposedly circulated from an Indian origin bot/cell. That's how it works, it's too late by then anyway.

I’ve covered this elsewhere.

Almost certainly, the NZ government was tipped off by American or British intelligence.

They will not have shared the details with the players or NZ Cricket, let alone the PCB.

Quite who you think is going to share intelligence with the PCB baffles me. I don’t think that MI6 and the CIA have a relationship with the PCB!

 

[MenInG]

New Delhi [India], September 19 (ANI): New Zealand pacer Mitchell McClenaghan has told Pakistan batsman Mohammed Hafeez that the BlackCaps should not be blamed for abandoning the tour of Pakistan, rather if there is someone to blame then it is the New Zealand government.

"Come now bro. This has a bad taste to it... Don't blame the players or the organisation... blame our government. They have only acted on the advice they have received. I'm absolutely certain these young men - all wanting to prove themselves wanted to play. they had no choice," tweeted McClenaghan.

On Saturday, Hafeez had taken a dig at New Zealand Cricket (NZC) for postponing their tour of Pakistan citing security threats. "Thanks to the secutity of pakistan forces to make arrangements to [MENTION=5628]blackcap[/MENTION]S to reach at airport Safe & Sound. Wonder same route & same security but no threat today???" tweeted Hafeez.

The Blackcaps abandoned their tour of Pakistan following a New Zealand government security alert, New Zealand Cricket (NZC) informed on Friday. New Zealand was slated to play their first match on Pakistan soil since 2003. The side was to play hosts on Friday in the first of three ODIs in Rawalpindi, before moving to Lahore for a five-match T20 series.

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan had also spoken to New Zealand counterpart Jacinda Ardern before Blackcaps announced they are abandoning their tour of Pakistan. Khan assured Ardern that Pakistan has one of the best intelligence systems in the world and that no security threat of any kind exists for the visiting team but NZC decided to return home after the NZ government security alert.

New Zealand Cricket Players Association chief executive Heath Mills echoed NZC chief executive David White's sentiments. "We've been across this process throughout and are fully supportive of the decision. The players are in good hands; they're safe -- and everyone's acting in their best interests," he said.

The New Zealand men's cricket team on Sunday arrived in Dubai after leaving Islamabad on a charter flight. The contingent of 34 players and support staff are now settling into their Dubai hotel and undergoing their 24-hour period of self-isolation. Of this group, 24 will return to New Zealand over the next week or so, as flights and MIQ rooms in New Zealand become available. (ANI)

 

[Energy]

I’ve covered this elsewhere.

Almost certainly, the NZ government was tipped off by American or British intelligence.

They will not have shared the details with the players or NZ Cricket, let alone the PCB.

Quite who you think is going to share intelligence with the PCB baffles me. I don’t think that MI6 and the CIA have a relationship with the PCB!

So what you're trying to say in lay terms is that Pakistan has 'no' control over events taking place in their own country. And it's the visitors who have all the right to come, go, prod, as they please, and at any given time of the day or night.

However, what Pakistan needs to do is arrange presidential level security personnel, host visitors in lavish hotels, and smile when get slapped on the face.

The more we do this, the more the entitlement of others increases. Therefore, I hope, this time, the PCB can have a spine and challenge NZC to either provide credible evidence or pay the damages.