Will the PSL get a window for the next three versions?

[Thunderbolt14]

Not really.

As brother [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] mentioned, IPL for all it's riches can only have 64 foreign players. There will always be dozens of quality international regulars that won't get an IPL contract. I can name probably 50 international regulars that didn't feature in the recently concluded season that will surely take PSL's quality up a couple of notches.

Don't you think Guptill, de Grandhomme, KJ Perera, Klassen etc are a better draw than the current lot?

In principle you’re completely right, like I mentioned earlier, settling for second and reaping the advantages of also being in IPL’s window would be a very effective strategy. It’s probably the only realistic one.

But let’s stretch reality a bit, somehow PSL secures its own window. That’s fundamentally more beneficial right? So I can see why the PCB is lobbying for such a situation, if not in the next few years then maybe 5-10 years down the road.

It ultimately comes down to how popular T20 leagues are going to become, and whether PSL can beat CPL, BBL, etc for second place.

If in 2030 most of cricket viewership cares mostly for T20 leagues to the extent that ICC gives a window to the top two or top 3 leagues, then being second best to IPL is a very very good place to be.

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] why does PSL have to operate during the IPL window for this to take place? Won’t it lure less broadcasting views as majority is dominated by IPL, so better to have it before or after? Even a clash with an international fixture will still lose less views than a clash with IPL as 90% of cricket world watches IPL.

Secondly let’s say there are two objectives of PSL, not just one. First one is money in which case we can discuss the argument as per the terms you’ve laid out in earlier posts in this thread (and excellent points made). If I were to say that second objective is talent development of Pakistani players as well, we want to provide them with higher profile cricketers such as Faf, Brathwaite, who also play IPL, rather than only include emerging prospects. Will Pakistan ever be able to compete with India or any other nation in international fixtures if pak players fail to not only play IPL but also play in PSL with England, Windies, Aussie players who also play IPL.

As the money is beginning to grow with a return to Pakistan, I can feasibly see PSL offering more competitive contracts than CPL and BBL, not IPL though, so at least we will begin to lure the players who play 2 T20 leagues a year.

Under the direct competition same-window model, we will lose these players as well, and be restricted to the “left overs” (you have mentioned some excellent names, but Joe Root is hardly a competitive T20 player compared even to Tom Banton who is playing IPL). In fact if you look at Banton, it’s a prime case where IPL is also performing the dual role of talent development that you want PSL to undertake - we can’t even lock Banton for PSL over IPL, and others like him, so is it smart to operate in the same window? How will we perform talent development of the top class talent?

I don’t think there’ll be any change in viewership of PSL - infact, if anything viewership will increase from other nations to watch their current players, India as well as they’ll be keen to see who could be next. Also, if viewership is dependent on the marquee collection, then PSL will never stand any chance - forget IPL or EPL, in an open market economy they won’t out bid players from BBL, BPL, even CPL or SAF league. PSL has to build a brand that’s beyond the names - again, you know how much Mo Amir got from last BPL compared to previous years - they have slashed cost by 35%, highest paid only player at $170K; viewership didn’t reduce, neither gross revenue.

Also, compare it other sports - same day, almost similar time English, Spanish, Italian & Bundesliga games are played - each league has its own niche, home & abroad. I for one watch couple of EPL games in Saturday/Sunday morning ... then switch to Spain. In North American sports as well NFL, NBA, NHL are played almost simultaneously, MLB play-offs are played in October when NLF is on; in that regard I don’t see any challenges of PSL happening during IPL as PAK players are not part of IPL.

The left over concept is a mental block - IPL can’t pick all the best players as they have budget cap, in fact they hire some craps as well. Also, IPL doesn’t pay too money to every players, it’s inflated price for few but there are very good players sold at $100-125K, even $75k .... many of them would join PSL for similar or even slightly less money & make an impact in the field, rather than from IPL bench. As I said, if I filter out the unbidden players of IPL, 42 of those will increase PSL’s standard considerably than Dinesh Ramdhin batting at four PSL final chartering our kid Anamul.

No, I don’t see PSL offering more money than other leagues in foreseeable future - in fact I’ll be happy if it’s not forced to reduce the bucket. PSL is just a fraction of PAK’s economy, not a separate entity - at current state of PAK’s economy PSL will struggle to sustain even at this rate. Bringing PSL in PAK will help PCB to reduce cost, but income won’t increase significantly from gate money. Infact, once PSL returns entirely to PAK with 34 games, you’ll see average attendance declining after first week, peaking up in last week. It’s the middle class that fill the ground - PAK’s per capita earning doesn’t suggest middle class has that much disposable income to spend $200-300 for a PSL season ticket. PCB will have to reduce ticket price significantly for a sell out PSL once entirely it’s shifted to PAK. Second source of income is endorsement & branding - I guess you have better idea how much PAK’s corporate houses are interested to invest in cricket ..... it took 70 years to move out domestic cricket from Corporate paid jobs to semi professional state. That’s why, I’ll reteriate the point again - trying to show financial muscle or negotiation might will only sink PSL & PCB further. It’s good to have some bullish words here in PP, but WK & Ehsan Mani do know what it takes to pay bills in green backs at 163 rate.....

The final one is the competitive part - this one I am not sure, but I can share my view point. Induction/mentoring with/from star players does help players, but first thing is that you have to have the skilled player pool to add value. PAK made two T20 WC Finals when there was no PSL, therefore you never know while I am not sure if most of current lot is reperable or not, even if you surround them with all the stars. However, excluding IPL, still the players pool that PSL can extract with affordable price will be much, much, much better than current pensioners - PAK players might miss the words of wisdom from Imran Tahir about how good or bad PSL is compared to IPL ..... but hind side is, they might actually face Adil Rashid in match conditions - you take your pick, which one you want.

 

[MMHS]

In principle you’re completely right, like I mentioned earlier, settling for second and reaping the advantages of also being in IPL’s window would be a very effective strategy. It’s probably the only realistic one.

But let’s stretch reality a bit, somehow PSL secures its own window. That’s fundamentally more beneficial right? So I can see why the PCB is lobbying for such a situation, if not in the next few years then maybe 5-10 years down the road.

It ultimately comes down to how popular T20 leagues are going to become, and whether PSL can beat CPL, BBL, etc for second place.

If in 2030 most of cricket viewership cares mostly for T20 leagues to the extent that ICC gives a window to the top two or top 3 leagues, then being second best to IPL is a very very good place to be.

No - separate window won’t be good for PSL, PCB won’t be able to handle it. Do you understand that a separate window means apart from PAK players & 42 foreigners, rest of the cricket world will be incognito for two months - PSL’s honey has to be sweet enough that these 42 breaks free and force their respective board to go incognito as well.

Be realistic bro, I have found you quite intelligent and don’t have the usual attitude problem - I have seen you acccepting logic. Forget about the Stokes or Kohlis or Warners or Rabadas ..... do you really think Niclus Pooran or Tamim or Tom Banton or Chris Lynn are going to tussle with their board for $75k that PSL will pay them? Separate window can only work if PSL can buy out the time with worthy price, otherwise it’ll end up in tears for PCB and they’ll loose both ends. And, if they try to over shoot their budget for the sake of the window, not only PSL, PCB will go bankrupt. Before day dreaming, just try to figure out the broadcast deal for IPL & compare it with PSL - you are intelligent enough, and don’t have attitude problem............

 

[naseem]

Not really.

As brother [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] mentioned, IPL for all it's riches can only have 64 foreign players. There will always be dozens of quality international regulars that won't get an IPL contract. I can name probably 50 international regulars that didn't feature in the recently concluded season that will surely take PSL's quality up a couple of notches.

Don't you think Guptill, de Grandhomme, KJ Perera, Klassen etc are a better draw than the current lot?

What if the no. Of teams increase to 10 12 in coming years......ut will be close to 100 overseas player.....it is not a viable solution

 

[Thunderbolt14]

No - separate window won’t be good for PSL, PCB won’t be able to handle it. Do you understand that a separate window means apart from PAK players & 42 foreigners, rest of the cricket world will be incognito for two months - PSL’s honey has to be sweet enough that these 42 breaks free and force their respective board to go incognito as well.

Be realistic bro, I have found you quite intelligent and don’t have the usual attitude problem - I have seen you acccepting logic. Forget about the Stokes or Kohlis or Warners or Rabadas ..... do you really think Niclus Pooran or Tamim or Tom Banton or Chris Lynn are going to tussle with their board for $75k that PSL will pay them? Separate window can only work if PSL can buy out the time with worthy price, otherwise it’ll end up in tears for PCB and they’ll loose both ends. And, if they try to over shoot their budget for the sake of the window, not only PSL, PCB will go bankrupt. Before day dreaming, just try to figure out the broadcast deal for IPL & compare it with PSL - you are intelligent enough, and don’t have attitude problem............

Indeed, you’re completely right - I don’t think it is likely we will get the window and I made this clear already. We simply don’t have the numbers to back it up, hence I won’t calculate the broadcast deal as I know we can’t hold enough leverage for 1 month of no cricket internationally just so minimal number of international cricketers can earn money.

Your previous post is right as well for the same reason, so I agree in principle - you’ve comfortably established why the thread title is unlikely, impossible, to become a headline. But following on from this, to play devil’s advocate, I suggest a scenario where ICC and most boards shoot themselves in the foot, and give PSL a window. Just to understand your argument better - if I put on my tinfoil hat and the ICC gives PSL the window because they are feeling nice - why is this bad for PSL?

Certainly this situation exists in a vacuum - unlikely to happen but no harm lobbying for it, right? Beyond wasted energies of course.

 

[kingusama92]

MMHS is right about the feeder system.

I feel a blended setup would do tremendously well for both nations.

Essentially, you would have each IPL team connected to a PSL team (i.e. Mumbai & Lahore). There would be a system where IPL teams send roster players to the PSL for development purposes while footing a portion of the salary.

So, the PSL would access not only the IPL leftovers (free agents) but also young roster players from the IPL. Hell, they could even use it to warm up IPL players coming back from injuries (i.e. David Warner going across the border for a few games after a minor calf injury).

Why would the BCCI do this?

They get a ready-made league to develop their young talent in and they would get a better read on their investments before paying larger salaries. Plus, it would increase the value of their on-field product over the long-term.

Why would the PCB do this?

Access to loads of quality players, improved quality of play for Pakistani prospects, increased stability, and a stronger brand that likely leaves the non-IPL T20 leagues behind. You also get the added value of IPL teams paying a portion of the salaries for developing players.

Unfortunately, the political relationship between the two nations is horrible making it difficult to setup.

 

[Rana]

MMHS is right about the feeder system.

I feel a blended setup would do tremendously well for both nations.

Essentially, you would have each IPL team connected to a PSL team (i.e. Mumbai & Lahore). There would be a system where IPL teams send roster players to the PSL for development purposes while footing a portion of the salary.

So, the PSL would access not only the IPL leftovers (free agents) but also young roster players from the IPL. Hell, they could even use it to warm up IPL players coming back from injuries (i.e. David Warner going across the border for a few games after a minor calf injury).

Why would the BCCI do this?

They get a ready-made league to develop their young talent in and they would get a better read on their investments before paying larger salaries. Plus, it would increase the value of their on-field product over the long-term.

Why would the PCB do this?

Access to loads of quality players, improved quality of play for Pakistani prospects, increased stability, and a stronger brand that likely leaves the non-IPL T20 leagues behind. You also get the added value of IPL teams paying a portion of the salaries for developing players.

Unfortunately, the political relationship between the two nations is horrible making it difficult to setup.

Come on man, we are not this desperate. All of this talk of what can, will happen if the window is allowed is pointless until the Window is actually granted and during what period in the calendar year it is provided.

I dont think we need to dream about becoming feeders to Mumbai Indians or KKR etc. The main thing we need to do is ensure that our game is at its best with the agencies and the agents who handle the player's and their agreements with the franchises across the world. Trust me, when the window is provided and if it isnt just before the IPL, you will see some of the best players in the world in the PSL regardless of the maximum fee of $300-400k even for Ben Stokes.

 

[Mamoon]

A seperate window of 2-4 weeks for PSL will simply mean no other international cricket going on between this period.

-which means 100% international player availability (Subject to agreement through agent/agencies)
-All broadcasting companies and production houses available
-All international icc approved umpires Available
-Potential Sponsors getting a much better value for their investment as the exposure will be exclusive during that 2-4 week period.

It’s not a question about competing with the IPL, it’s a simple question about giving the best quality of cricket, production and exposure of Sponsored products to the Pakistani awaam and the Pakistan cricket fans from across the globe. If the cricket community itself wants to engage like they do in the IPL, that is also welcome.

PCB can and should achieve 10 times more with PSL if it is given that exclusive window, and if it doesn’t then I will be the first to write off the PCB even before [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] does for letting down the Pakistani viewership and the global cricket community with a poor product even though they had a level playing field with the IPL this time.

However, I once again reiterate that I do not think it is sensible to get this window a couple of weeks before the IPL window, this will do PCB no good as the priority for the top players is to still remain 100% fit for the IPL.

I don’t know what is the compromise that the ICC have made with the BCCI for this exclusive window, but I wouldn’t bet against the fact that there is definitely some serious financial incentive or benefit involved which the ICC finds very hard to refuse. ICC are a business before an organisation, and they have been milking their money from India and Pakistan throughout even though the two countries have been in bad terms since 2009. If Wasim Khan uses the PCB profits to hit the right chords, then he may be in business with them

Level playing field is earned and not handed on a platter out of charity.

As long as PSL remains a low budget league, it does not deserve a window.

 

[Rana]

If you are tying the success of a T20 league with the number of WT20s won by the host nation, then the Caribbean Premier League is the best T20 league in the world because West Indies have won two WT20s, and even the Sri Lankan league is better than IPL and PSL.

So when Pakistan inevitably fails to win next year, I am sure you will use your own logic and stop propagating the laughable myth that PSL bowling is the best among all leagues.

The Premier League is widely considered to be the league in the world, but since it emerged in its current form, England have won 0 tournaments.

If we use your logic then Ligue 1 is better than the Premier League because Ligue 1 has given France three trophies in the Premier League era.

In fact, even Greek and Portuguese leagues can be considered better because both countries have won Euros in the Premier League era.

By now, I hope it is clear to you how your logic practically works and the direction in which it is heading.

Besides, if you are hell-bent on linking T20 leagues with the success of the host nation, then you can also say that India have won the ODI World Cup in the IPL era and have consistently ranked in the top 3 in ODIs and T20Is in the IPL era.

As far as the window is concerned, again, PSL does not deserve a window because it does not have the financial muscle to attract the best contemporary players in the world.

The real reason why IPL has a window is because it has the power to sabotage international cricket.

As I said earlier, the top players in the world will not suddenly make a beeline to play in PSL because the schedule is not clashing with international commitments.

The only way they will play is if PSL raises its salary cap to match their worth. If and when that happens, ICC will automatically be forced to give PSL a window without PCB begging for one.

When have I ever said that the PSL bowling as a whole is the best amongst all leagues? I and others have always argued and with good reason that the local fast bowling resources in the PSL are very good and are most definitely better than the IPL's. I have never ever denied that the Bowling attacks of Mumbai Indians and Delhi Capitals are the best in all of Franchise cricket. But yes I will keep arguing Dilbar, Shaheen and Rauf are a better local pace trio than 70% of the fast bowling attacks in the IPL.

The football to cricket argument is so flawed. The best Premier league sides throughout the last two decades have had 80-90% foreign players as a part of their regular starting XI. Whereas, all franchise leagues must have 65% local participation (7 local players are a must including 1 local emerging player). Does the Premier League have the same rules on their starting XI, or the Spanish league, or the Italian league? So, it is an apples and oranges comparison again. If the Premier League, Spanish League and the Italian league have a rule of fielding 7 local players and only 4 foreign players in the starting XI quota, then maybe we can start using this analogy of The English Premier league being the best means England, Spain and Italy should win every European cup and World cup. Whilst you make a fair point, but it still cannot be compared with Franchise cricket.

The other flaw with this comparison is that Footballers have ironclad contracts that tie them down to a club for lengthy periods of 1-5 years, and more in some cases. Cristiano Ronaldo cannot represent Juventus during the winter and LA Galaxy during the summer to maximise his earnings, unlike AB DeVilliers who can represent RCB during March-April, Middlesex from July to August, Joburg from September to November, Trinidad at some point as well and Melbourne during December. Once again, the dynamics are completely uncomparable unless the ICC makes it a rule that All active international players can only be centrally contracted to one franchise throughout the calendar year. Then maybe Mamoon we can start comparing Premier league football to premier league cricket?

If the fact that having the best league should not warrant the national side winning more silverware isnt a valid argument, then Why else do the BCCI selectors look at IPL performance as the key indicator of who should represent India for T20s and the T20i world cup if the IPL isnt expected to keep up the playing standard and bring silverware for the country? So Mumbai indians can walk through to an IPL Championship every year considering it is the toughest league in the world, but India cannot win the T20 world cup as regularly as they should considering the wealth of players and talent they have at their disposal from this excellent league? No point making excuses for what is dissappointing. West Indies are multiple champions in their format, but nearly all of their players are some of the best players in the Franchises they represent in India and other parts of the world.

The point about India being ranked in the top 3 in the world definitely is in line with the success of the IPL, there is no denying that.

 

[Rana]

Level playing field is earned and not handed on a platter out of charity.

As long as PSL remains a low budget league, it does not deserve a window.

You can keep saying that, but I dont see why OP has created this thread in the first place. Thunderbolt also shared an article on this topic of the perfect window for 'next three years'. I said this earlier, I will wait to see the scheduling for the next PSL and also the players that have made themselves in the next Draft. Until Then, these are just rumours. But you can bet your house one one stance by me,

-If the PCB get the window exclusively to them and they fail to attract some of the names I have already listed, then I will join you and curse the PCB for letting us down.

-But if the PCB do get those huge names that have been used to as leverage over PSL in an insulting way by IPL fans like yourself: Tou phir main tujhe Rulaon ga.

 

[Gullycricket]

I think, we should stop bringing IPL here - it's not necessary for PSL to be compared to anyone, rather it can be successful within it's own right. Think about Turkish Soccer league ...

Revenue is just a number - bottom line is, weather PSL is keeping it's market interest intact within a budget that it can earn and remain profitable. I don't see the discussion in that line - every discussion is about how much money is paid and how much more required .... money is resource here - the more, always the better, but somewhere it has to be tied. No shame even being 3rd or 4th or 5th as long as it's serving the purpose. You see, still CA has enough wealth both financially and talentwise - they give a damn about BBL, top Aussies often skip it and they don't even stop their National schedule for that. Is it second, third, fourth... 10th?

Regarding profitability, I put it other way - PSL will have to find a way to remain popular and earn profit as well. You back calculate the numbers, should be able to figure out the possible cash out flow - the end justifies the means.

At present, I don't like the way PSL is operating or perceived at PP. First, I don't like it to be the Pensioner's Super League - retired or Kolpak players without any future making easy money here. Just like Malik/Hafeez can bully inexperienced or substandard teams from their vast experience, these 35+ brigade are bullying PSL - do you ever think these Weise, Dunk or Samit, Tahir has any further International future or any hunger, or they can match-up their heroics of 5-6/10-12 years back?

So, first thing is PSL should change it's stand - bring young, aspirant International players who'll use PSL for their stepping stone for bigger deals at IPL or EPL - there shouldn't be any shame in that; Ajax Amsterdam has supplied super players throughout their history - they are proud of their academy, respected as well by others. Young, active players will give their 100% and they'll make their countrymen to follow PSL more - trust me, instead of washed up Tamim, Mahmudullah, Mushi, Shakib .. had PSL brought Liton, Taskin, Mustafiz or Saifuddin; it's interest would have been quadruple in BD, at least Tamims are still active Internationals ...... PSL is bringing retired or forgotten players at premium cost!!!!

Second thing is the realization with whom PSL is competing - not with IPL, CPL, BBL, BPL or EPL. There are several soccer leagues going around Europe at same time - that doesn't mean Apollon Limassol's fan stop watching their team when Liverpool is playing ManU. PSL is competing with International cricket - it won't get regular International players without a dedicated window, it can't pay enough to force a window.
Only fools would believe that ICC is helping IPL with a window - ICC was forced to do that because cricket boards couldn't handle their own players; so indirectly they asked ICC to give IPL a window to save their pride ..... 35 years back, English County season monopolized 5 months of year as such that from April to SEP, there were no cricket elsewhere - do you think ICC helped them? PSL should look for it's best interest for PAK cricket and as I said - the best time I see is arranging PSL during IPL - it'll save PAK domestics 2 months, PAK National team 2 months (otherwise they'll be sitting on Biryani during IPL for many, many years to come), and PSL will get better value for money.

These UHD streaming, gana bazana are useless staff - subject to economy of a system, no need to stress for that as long as cricket is good. Pay sweet, that shameless guy Adnan Sami will come to sing "PAK saar zamin ..." twice every day in PSL grounds. What people are interested is not the dance of half naked cheerleaders, for that we adults can go to striptease - people are interested to see the next emerging players from PAK and cricket as a whole .... PSL's official average age is worthy of the taunt : Pensioner's league and it's growing since most of those common faces are coming every years - a year senior than previous tournament.

So, implementing just few things can bring lot more quality & sustainability in PSL -

1. Proper Home & Away contest, preferably on better wickets & outfields
2. Young, active and hungry foreign recruits, MUST be active internationals
3. Position PSL as a platform for young players - French Liga 1 uses a slogan "the league of future stars" or something in that line. A youthful collection, both domestically and International - players who have a future and ambition. We can bash him always, but I'll like to see Musa Khan more than Rahat Ali, don't care who performs better, just one example. PSL can compete with IPL only on subjective parameters - youthfulness, emerging talents, hidden gems ..... these cheap shot of using former players telling how good PSL is compared to IPL sounds like empty vessels in seasoned ears of mine, when PAK cricket itself is sinking.
4. A selective draft to ensure local players are participating for their home town as much as possible. It's possible since the drafts are for fixed amount - put icon players for their town at least for 2-3 years when PSL is back at home - Babar for Lahore, Amir/Imad for Islamabad, Shaheen for Peshawar, Sarfraz for Karachi .... yes, six teams have to be balanced, but no harm in keeping couple of local icons.
5. Spread-out the last few games a bit more so that fans can enjoy the last minute's thrill - who makes the cut & who misses out. Using IPL window gives enough time without costing International schedule

After that, once the brand has it's own identity - put muscles in it - more investment, bigger pay cheque, global presence, may be dedicated window ..... The whole basket will get fatter, won't matter how much you are spending, as long as - the end justifies the means.

Wow.POTW material. Fully agree with you especially on the retired and washed out players part. PSL needs Naseem, Musa etc and plucking talented youngsters from U19 rather than S Tanvir, Rahat or M irfan. Superb analysis

 

[ElRaja]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] raised point of regular pak fan not being able to afford tickets, if theres around 34 games a season and pcb dont increase it, eventually across 6 or 7 venues i dont think cities will have too much difficulty filling 10 to 15k grounds for 5 or 6 games, especially when u consider how big some pak cities are.

also i think pcb should remain cognizant of how its young local talent that sparks interest in these leagues, fundamentally i dont think anyone will ever support franchise teams like they do pak, or like european fans support their soccer clubs.

i think the point raised earlier, 3 overseas + 2 emerging is the right formula, it manages costs plus keeps it fresh with new young players every year. (also maybe worth linking the regional teams to the franchises, so franchises can pull un-contracted talent from specific regions)

i think as long as pcb dont get greedy, dont increase teams, keep the tournament light in terms of fixtures and host games across lots of diff venues across pak the core product will sustain interest.

fwiw i think this is one of the more interesting threads on PP, so many diff considerations and povs.

 

[ataullah]

India playing England during PSL. I think they done us over here. The dates cover all PSL event.

 

[shamaan]

India playing England during PSL. I think they done us over here. The dates cover all PSL event.

Hopefully the likes of roy bantom meon get to play the first half of the psl and then go to india for the t20s vs india

 

[Revolution]

Hopefully the likes of roy bantom meon get to play the first half of the psl and then go to india for the t20s vs india

Bud, there is minimum second week of quarantine period for international travellers in india.
Shifting from PSL will be ruled out.

 

[Greenstorm]

I like MMHS's idea of holding PSL during IPL, we should get on it before someone else does. Players like Root and Williamson don't play in IPL. Them playing in PSL will be far more beneficial for local players than playing with Pooran and Gregory types.

 

[Mesozoic]

I like MMHS's idea of holding PSL during IPL, we should get on it before someone else does. Players like Root and Williamson don't play in IPL. Them playing in PSL will be far more beneficial for local players than playing with Pooran and Gregory types.

Williamson does.

 

[ChTab]

I like MMHS's idea of holding PSL during IPL, we should get on it before someone else does. Players like Root and Williamson don't play in IPL. Them playing in PSL will be far more beneficial for local players than playing with Pooran and Gregory types.

I think it would affect tv viewership in massive way, even some or may be most Pakistani would watch IPL because it has much bigger stars.

Even if all the pakistani's did watch PSL I seriously doubt that even 2 % of remaining cricket world would watch PSL over IPL, IMO late October is much better window to stage PSL.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Williamson does.

With addition of two more teams, expect IPL to recruit more foreigners.

 

[saeed5646]

I like MMHS's idea of holding PSL during IPL, we should get on it before someone else does. Players like Root and Williamson don't play in IPL. Them playing in PSL will be far more beneficial for local players than playing with Pooran and Gregory types.

1)Don't agree with this .Psl is separate league and doesn't have any connection with ipl it will do more harm than good .It will be tag as "inferior league to ipl "which doesn't look good for any league .Also if ipl changes dates for ipl what will pcb do ?depending on bcci is not good idea as it have prove in the past .

 

[UzmanBeast]

1)Don't agree with this .Psl is separate league and doesn't have any connection with ipl it will do more harm than good .It will be tag as "inferior league to ipl "which doesn't look good for any league .Also if ipl changes dates for ipl what will pcb do ?depending on bcci is not good idea as it have prove in the past .

Same, IPL will hog the better players. If PCB can get its own window from February to March, it will be greatly beneficial for the development of the league. PSL needs big players to improve the standard of the league and to generate more revenue which can be used to invest in the domestic structure. PSL needs to be held for its own development as opposed to worrying about the stature compared to IPL. We need to accept that we can become the second best league in the world, and we should point our focus towards that idea and work towards it, so that the ICC, if they ever decide to change schedules, will have to give equal treatment towards the PSL and IPL if PSL becomes the second-best league in the world.

That being said, it can be done. PSL 6 has a great opportunity to bag some foreign stars who will be keen on playing on similar surfaces to those in India. It needs to leave a good impression, and hopefully, if there are crowds, it will be a great season. There are some new rules in the BBL as well, and if they don't work out well, the PSL can easily gain more viewership from disappointed BBL fans.

 

[Greenstorm]

I think it would affect tv viewership in massive way, even some or may be most Pakistani would watch IPL because it has much bigger stars.

Even if all the pakistani's did watch PSL I seriously doubt that even 2 % of remaining cricket world would watch PSL over IPL, IMO late October is much better window to stage PSL.

No, Pakistanis won't watch IPL during PSL.

There is no international cricket during IPL so international viewership will be compensated.

 

[Greenstorm]

With addition of two more teams, expect IPL to recruit more foreigners.

This can be an issue as India will surely take some step to diss Pakistan. What do you think [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] ?

 

[MMHS]

This can be an issue as India will surely take some step to diss Pakistan. What do you think [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] ?

Still there will be enough left over for PSL rather than paying pension to Dinesh Ramdhin or chartering Anamul.

Second point is, IPL doesn’t pay obnoxiously high to everyone - there will be very good players who can have comparable payment from PSL as well and they will play every game in PSL.

Third, PSL can adopt something that was used in BPL - pay as you play. Hire players with small base price but pay based on availability- this will increase the financial capacity of Franchises. They might offer one “icon” contract in to top players, which can bring few of them in PSL over IPL. On open bidding, let alone IPL, PSL won’t bring players over BPL, therefore no point dreaming about separate window - it won’t happen ever.

I read here that hardly any Pakistani watches IPL (or those who born in PAK or to Pakistani parents but watch IPL are not Pakistani), therefore tv audiences shouldn’t be any issue - if anything international audiences should increase because people would be interested to watch their active internationals playing in PSL rather than retired players earning pension.

 

[ataullah]

Hopefully the likes of roy bantom meon get to play the first half of the psl and then go to india for the t20s vs india

That can happen but i wanted buttler and stokes

 

[shamaan]

That can happen but i wanted buttler and stokes

Both play test cricket doubt think they will come as for bantom roy they only will play t20s and odis if they dont need to quaranteen they will come for the first couple weeks

 

[shamaan]

Bud, there is minimum second week of quarantine period for international travellers in india.
Shifting from PSL will be ruled out.

Could that change ?

 

[KoyoAli]

No, Pakistanis won't watch IPL during PSL.

There is no international cricket during IPL so international viewership will be compensated.

These days Pakistanis don't even watch IPL anyway. I haven't seen anyone follow IPL in a very long time./ There was a time when every shop with a TV had IPL on during the season. Now I can not find one single person who watches a game even.

The most that would happen is with overseas viewership. However, I don't think PSL should be held in the IPL season. It seems more like a short-term solution, to a problem that doesn't exist. PSL is very popular in Pakistan, despite the International stars not being half as recognizable as the IPL.

Only thing PSL needs is money, that will come in as more season are held at home. Cricket is not as popular in Pakistan as it used to be even as early as 10 years ago. All we need is for the National Team to start winning on a consistent basis again to get the interest back up. That is the only real goal we need to work towards. Gimmicks like the ones proposed here only work in discussions. They have no practical use.

 

[Greenstorm]

These days Pakistanis don't even watch IPL anyway. I haven't seen anyone follow IPL in a very long time./ There was a time when every shop with a TV had IPL on during the season. Now I can not find one single person who watches a game even.

The most that would happen is with overseas viewership. However, I don't think PSL should be held in the IPL season. It seems more like a short-term solution, to a problem that doesn't exist. PSL is very popular in Pakistan, despite the International stars not being half as recognizable as the IPL.

Only thing PSL needs is money, that will come in as more season are held at home. Cricket is not as popular in Pakistan as it used to be even as early as 10 years ago. All we need is for the National Team to start winning on a consistent basis again to get the interest back up. That is the only real goal we need to work towards. Gimmicks like the ones proposed here only work in discussions. They have no practical use.

PCB can decide after evaluating the number of quality players PSL will loose vs those they can get if PSL is conducted during IPL. Nevertheless, It is an interesting idea to look into.

Majority of quality overseas players in PSL are from England and considering that India has scheduled a series with them during PSL, PCB will have to take some decision. At least what they can do is to bring down international caps to 2 per team instead of 4. I would rather like to see a local prospect like Haris Khan or Nasir Nawaz in PSL instead of Samit Patel and Gregory.

 

[shamaan]

PCB can decide after evaluating the number of quality players PSL will loose vs those they can get if PSL is conducted during IPL. Nevertheless, It is an interesting idea to look into.

Majority of quality overseas players in PSL are from England and considering that India has scheduled a series with them during PSL, PCB will have to take some decision. At least what they can do is to bring down international caps to 2 per team instead of 4. I would rather like to see a local prospect like Haris Khan or Nasir Nawaz in PSL instead of Samit Patel and Gregory.

Defonitely 2 foreign would be ok 3 at most with 2 emerging players per team that would be good

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]'s post on holding the PSL during the IPL window should be required reading for PCB administrators as a serious proposition, even if they disagree with it's reasoning or conclusion.

However, as [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] noted, is a separate calendar spot something that the PCB is seriously considering? Or is just a 'pivot' for the future.

If it's the latter, then the whole discussion here is moot. PCB is just doing the smart thing- make the request knowing you'll be rejected or put on hold, but you've put a marker in place for a future when you're hopefully more financially viable. And then move aggressively on it.

But if we're arguing in theory, I like MMHS's PSL alongside IPL idea because it works well on multiple levels. As of today, and under present circumstances, because I can't speak for the future.

A separate window with no international cricket played may be unlikely for PCB to get at this time. Assuming you get it, the franchise owners need to be invested in the idea as well in terms of upping player compensation to get the big names, and it's not clear whether it will be financially viable. Then again, unless the comps are really really high (as high or higher than IPL), why would the really elite international players play? Depending on the calendar, especially if they put international games or an IPL/ BBL payday at risk through injury?

It seems to me that a separate window with no international games is just an ego trip. At this time.

The PSL alongside IPL is a brilliant idea in theory. One, the pool of internationals who get left out of IPL is still of a very high quality. These players would have spent some time and effort prepping or hoping for an IPL call up, and I'm sure an alternative would be very attractive to some of them. This should attract more high quality foreign talent.

Two, the bulk of TV watching from these leagues is from within market. So it's not as if PSL is losing out on significant audiences. Pakistani fans will tune in regardless. As an Indian fan I don't watch PSL or BBL. So I don't see PSL economics being impacted on that way. I mean your viewing isn't going to go that much if it's a separate window, nor will it come down that much if at all, if it's in the same window.

Three, it seems to work as a basic business concept, and that's why I love the idea. It's a bit of an ambush strategy. You're not taking on the 1000 pound gorilla (IPL) head on. Instead you're leveraging the IPL's strengths to your own use. And you're doing the smartest thing - starting small (comparatively) and slow instead of going for some unlikely grand plan, thereby minimising risk. Given a few years and the PSL can be as established on the better players' calendars as a very viable alternative. Given a few years and franchises would have developed the revenue streams and heft to maybe dream bigger.

And here's the thing- who says you have to stay that way. With additional revenues and financial clout you could then seek a separate exclusive calendar spot.

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]'s post on holding the PSL during the IPL window should be required reading for PCB administrators as a serious proposition, even if they disagree with it's reasoning or conclusion.

However, as [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] noted, is a separate calendar spot something that the PCB is seriously considering? Or is just a 'pivot' for the future.

If it's the latter, then the whole discussion here is moot. PCB is just doing the smart thing- make the request knowing you'll be rejected or put on hold, but you've put a marker in place for a future when you're hopefully more financially viable. And then move aggressively on it.

But if we're arguing in theory, I like MMHS's PSL alongside IPL idea because it works well on multiple levels. As of today, and under present circumstances, because I can't speak for the future.

A separate window with no international cricket played may be unlikely for PCB to get at this time. Assuming you get it, the franchise owners need to be invested in the idea as well in terms of upping player compensation to get the big names, and it's not clear whether it will be financially viable. Then again, unless the comps are really really high (as high or higher than IPL), why would the really elite international players play? Depending on the calendar, especially if they put international games or an IPL/ BBL payday at risk through injury?

It seems to me that a separate window with no international games is just an ego trip. At this time.

The PSL alongside IPL is a brilliant idea in theory. One, the pool of internationals who get left out of IPL is still of a very high quality. These players would have spent some time and effort prepping or hoping for an IPL call up, and I'm sure an alternative would be very attractive to some of them. This should attract more high quality foreign talent.

Two, the bulk of TV watching from these leagues is from within market. So it's not as if PSL is losing out on significant audiences. Pakistani fans will tune in regardless. As an Indian fan I don't watch PSL or BBL. So I don't see PSL economics being impacted on that way. I mean your viewing isn't going to go that much if it's a separate window, nor will it come down that much if at all, if it's in the same window.

Three, it seems to work as a basic business concept, and that's why I love the idea. It's a bit of an ambush strategy. You're not taking on the 1000 pound gorilla (IPL) head on. Instead you're leveraging the IPL's strengths to your own use. And you're doing the smartest thing - starting small (comparatively) and slow instead of going for some unlikely grand plan, thereby minimising risk. Given a few years and the PSL can be as established on the better players' calendars as a very viable alternative. Given a few years and franchises would have developed the revenue streams and heft to maybe dream bigger.

And here's the thing- who says you have to stay that way. With additional revenues and financial clout you could then seek a separate exclusive calendar spot.

The thing is, you need to analyze every situation with logic first to come up with some hypothesis, then cross check it with facts (data). The first "trigger" movement in PP is that arranging PSL during IPL is like being second fiddle - so, the idea must be to down play PSL & PAK cricket. This has come from the fundamental mistake of assumptions at the start - IPL is not PSL's competitor, rather it's international cricket - IP, actually is giving PCB an excellent opportunity to upgrade their player pool and it's applicable for PAK more so because PAK players are not going to play in IPL in near future.

In Europe, leagues are played simultaneously in every country - that doesn't mean EPL or La Liga is bullying others because they pay higher. I for one in last two days have switched channel several times - there was Manchester Derby, Madrid Darby, Fulham -Liverpool, Everton - Chelsea, Barca's game, Juve's game, PSG-Lyon ..... I actually have forgotten which time what game I have seen. It can happen in cricket as well.

And, trust me - I indeed got a bit nervous as the first sight of this thread ..... first thing came to mind that PCB might think too big of themselves and waste some time & energy in this effort of "dedicated window", which is never going to happen.

 

[ataullah]

PSL could resume in May, clashing with the IPL
Given a packed international calendar, that could be the only time to stage the tournament without having to void it

What remains of the 2021 Pakistan Super League might end up being played as soon as May this year, setting up a potential direct clash with the latter stages of the Indian Premier League. Given the packed nature of the international calendar, culminating with the T20 World Cup in October and November, ESPNcricinfo understands that if the PSL is to be completed this year, May is the only window for it. Otherwise the season may be in danger of being voided.

The PCB CEO expressed confidence they would find time to complete the league, saying they were already looking at various options. "We will be looking at other windows and we hope to play the event at a later time," Wasim Khan said. "What's taking place right now is that we are carefully and slowly exiting, exiting players from our environment so that we can safely get them out and they can start to travel to wherever they need to travel in terms of moving forward. But we want to continue and finish the PSL."
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

 

[b.lesner]

Most top players will be required by their IPL franchises to ensure they remain fit for the 2 month tournament which will most likely take place immediately after.

Need to take it further away from IPL, If IPL is in march PSL should be in September its best window as in feb-march no Australian, New Zealand, South African or Top English players are available if its taken away from IPL in other half of year I'm sure top players will come and need to increase platinum money to 1 million dollar.