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Heard PCB is in talks with ICC on this issue.

Since the WC is shifted to Oct-Nov, PCB is booking the Feb March slot for the PSL so that max international stars can take part.

Can someone update?

If it happens then it will be fantastic for the league.
 
If it happens, I will welcome criticism of the league for not being able to attract the best names out there.

However there are still massive hurdles.

Most top players will be required by their IPL franchises to ensure they remain fit for the 2 month tournament which will most likely take place immediately after. So a lot of them most likely might still give it a miss, whereas you could be earning $3-400k for a 1 month period before the big IPL Pay day.

I sincerely hope BCCI and PCB come to a resolution where they feel they could protect each other’s best interest.
 
PSL shouldn’t get a window but even if it does, it will not make a significant difference in terms of attracting the best contemporary overseas players simply because we do not have enough money.

The best players in the world, especially fast bowlers, will not risk missing IPL due to injury/fatigue because of some pocket change that they might earn from PSL.

However, we are told that PSL already has the best bowling among all leagues, so I wonder why we are trying to rope in more international stars?
 
International cricket is more or less redundant now. There is no need for white ball bilateral cricket.

Let's just have proper test series and.leave the rest of the calender for T20 leagues

That's where cricket is heading. It is inevitable. It's not about what is right or wrong.
 
We need to understand that the best players in the world at the peak of their powers will not suddenly make a beeline to play in the low-budget league just because they do not have any international commitments.

That is why PSL does not deserve a window. We do not have the financial power to convince the likes of Warner, Smith, Starc, Cummins, Boult, Williamson, Archer, Stokes, Buttler, Rabada etc. to risk their multi-million IPL contracts for some spare change in PSL.
 
We need to understand that the best players in the world at the peak of their powers will not suddenly make a beeline to play in the low-budget league just because they do not have any international commitments.

That is why PSL does not deserve a window. We do not have the financial power to convince the likes of Warner, Smith, Starc, Cummins, Boult, Williamson, Archer, Stokes, Buttler, Rabada etc. to risk their multi-million IPL contracts for some spare change in PSL.
So as a pakistani cricket fan do you want the psl to have a seperate window or for it to attract more foreign stars to make the league more enjoyable and marketable?
 
We need to understand that the best players in the world at the peak of their powers will not suddenly make a beeline to play in the low-budget league just because they do not have any international commitments.

That is why PSL does not deserve a window. We do not have the financial power to convince the likes of Warner, Smith, Starc, Cummins, Boult, Williamson, Archer, Stokes, Buttler, Rabada etc. to risk their multi-million IPL contracts for some spare change in PSL.
its like Conor McGregor talking about khabib
all we can hear is murrmurrmurr
 
Realistically the IPL is the only league which will have it's own window. I think we should just accept that.
 
Surely the ICC makes some financial benefit from the IPL getting a window, looks like Wasim Khan is ready to splash that cash on the ICC as well.

“‘Main baarish kar doo paise keee jo tu ho Jaye meri”:money
 
Instead of a separate window, PCB should go all out for a more realistic goal of signing more international regulars. Not talking about the Warners and the Stokes' , but atleast a few second tier regulars like Reeza Hendricks, Rassie VDD, Carey , Neesham, Willey, Seifert, Shai Hope etc etc....
 
psl should consider fewer more higher paid overseas players, so teams aren't forced to field 4 overseas players a game. with only six teams you can easily have 8 local players per local xi.

instead u should have a fixed overseas budget that the franchises can spend on however many players they want, so if u want to spend $200,000 on one player, or $50,000 on four its up to you, and you can fill up the rest with local players.

also fitness is more of a issue with fast bowlers, and the psl doesnt really need too many, in the regional tourny northern had a international level bowling attach. so pcb should focus overseas players on top quality wicket keepers and batsmen, which there is a dearth of in psl.
 
PSL won’t get any separate window for sure. It’s even more impractical considering CV-19 has shrieked cricket calendar by a year and lots of make ups need to be done.

I think, instead of trying for separate window, which will be another expensive waste of time; what PCB should do is shift PSL during IPL season - either way PAK players are going to IPL while there are only few common players in both leagues, PSL won’t miss much. PSL’s competition isn’t IPL rather international cricket - shifting PSL during IPL window still will leave them better player pools than current picks. Also, IPL left overs (players who missed IPL contracts), will be far more committed to prove a point in expectations that a great PSL season might make their chances better for next IPL draft - I am sure overall standard will get better.

PSL during IPL window and PSL draft a week after IPL draft - I am certain that with same budget, PSL’s foreign collection will be much better - lots of active internationals will participate.
 
PSL during IPL window and PSL draft a week after IPL draft - I am certain that with same budget, PSL’s foreign collection will be much better - lots of active internationals will participate.


Precisely. These are some of the names that went unsold in the IPL auction....

Martin Guptill
Colin De Grandhomme
Evin Lewis
Kusal Perera
Heinrich Klassen
Mark wood
Matt Henry
Shai Hope
Mushfiqur Rahim
Andile Phehlukwayo


Now compare them to some of the dead weight that play in the PSL.
 
Precisely. These are some of the names that went unsold in the IPL auction....

Martin Guptill
Colin De Grandhomme
Evin Lewis
Kusal Perera
Heinrich Klassen
Mark wood
Matt Henry
Shai Hope
Mushfiqur Rahim
Andile Phehlukwayo


Now compare them to some of the dead weight that play in the PSL.

Add Root, Adil, Hales, Livingston, Head, Carey, Handscomb, McDermott, Phillipe, Khwaza, Mitch Marsh, Southee, Janeman Malan, Moulder, Markram, Mustafiz, Mahmudullah, Liton, Saifuddin and whole bunch of other active internationals. IPL picks only 64 international players & they don’t/can’t pick the top 64 due to budget cap - what will be left still is a fantastic pool.
 
Completely agree with this. PSL needs more high-quality international players, and it may just happen in the coming version (PSL6) as most players will be wanting to get into a rhythm before the T20 World Cup, and being played in Pakistan, given that there is some iota of similarity with Indian wickets, it could look a fine prospect for PSL.
 
March end to may is IPL window.

Aus Nz SA play their home season in feb so that window is ruled out.

PSL's realistic chance is to organise the tournament during IPL and outbid the IPL teams to get the players.
 
What is fuss about getting" big" international superstar. PSL is alright without big names As long Pakistani fans are enjoying the tournament there shouldn't be any desperation or sacrifices to sign big names for mickey mouse league .
 
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Tbh the matches are quite epic as it is. But I would definitely like to see a few big name batsmen in the tournament such as DeQock, Butler, Stokes, Warner, Ab, Pooran
 
Tbh the matches are quite epic as it is. But I would definitely like to see a few big name batsmen in the tournament such as DeQock, Butler, Stokes, Warner, Ab, Pooran

Just need 2 more full season in Pakistan. You will notice alot of positive changes just wait and watch
 
Do people really want this? I get bored of the PSL within 2-3 weeks. International cricket is more interesting. I'd never want any league to get preference over international cricket. I already don't like how IPL gets a window, if the trend keeps going international cricket will be eliminated apart from World Cups.
 
Just need 2 more full season in Pakistan. You will notice alot of positive changes just wait and watch

Honestly man. This years IPL was very entertaining but I thought the PSL was brilliant as well even though it has so many limitations and obstacles in comparison to the IPL. It also exposed so many of our mediocre players who get the nod from the Pak management but do not have much respect and value by the franchise owners/managements.

I was disappointed to see Rahat Ali and Mohammad Irfan to feature in the play offs for their side but I believe the Franchises didn’t have much choice because of how Covid has altered the plans now. Besides that, the tournament has been excellent.
 
PSL’s best bet is to advertise itself as a farm league for the IPL. Scout international talents who are not picked in the IPL but have a point to prove. Let them use PSL as an audition to stand out and move on to the ultimate thing which is the IPL contract.

Obviously neither the franchise owners or educated folk like Mani/ Wasim K are delusional to think they are an alternative or competitor to IPL, so best option would be to take this route.

Trust me even if 2-3 players standout in PSL and move on to make a big impact in the IPL, that itself will be a great advertisement and will make Indian audience and other cricket fans tune in to see who will be the next big thing who will come out of it will and make it to the big leagues.

Ego is usually the biggest road block to progress. PSL definitely has potential and the fan base but I think the delusional that they are IPL’s competition will hold them back.

So right now don’t think PSL is big enough to get a window but sure if it starts getting the eyeballs as IPL farm league it will eventually get one.
 
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Australia and New Zealand are scheduled to play in Feb and March. Can anyone confirm?
 
psl should consider fewer more higher paid overseas players, so teams aren't forced to field 4 overseas players a game. with only six teams you can easily have 8 local players per local xi.

instead u should have a fixed overseas budget that the franchises can spend on however many players they want, so if u want to spend $200,000 on one player, or $50,000 on four its up to you, and you can fill up the rest with local players.

also fitness is more of a issue with fast bowlers, and the psl doesnt really need too many, in the regional tourny northern had a international level bowling attach. so pcb should focus overseas players on top quality wicket keepers and batsmen, which there is a dearth of in psl.

I said this earlier as well.

3 players worth $300-500k plus 8 local players is plenty to raise the standard.
 
This maybe a very ignorant question, pardon me if I offend anyone here, but can't the billionaires from Pakistan and Pakistan-origin-Americans/Britishers/Australians/Canadians come together to invest and raise PSL to a very high performing and high-paying league? They could reap dividends in the long run wrt their brands, like many IPL owners are doing now. What do the (very) rich people of Pakistan think about this?
 
This maybe a very ignorant question, pardon me if I offend anyone here, but can't the billionaires from Pakistan and Pakistan-origin-Americans/Britishers/Australians/Canadians come together to invest and raise PSL to a very high performing and high-paying league? They could reap dividends in the long run wrt their brands, like many IPL owners are doing now. What do the (very) rich people of Pakistan think about this?

I think indians are more interested in 🏏 than Pakistani's. Do u agree?
 
This maybe a very ignorant question, pardon me if I offend anyone here, but can't the billionaires from Pakistan and Pakistan-origin-Americans/Britishers/Australians/Canadians come together to invest and raise PSL to a very high performing and high-paying league? They could reap dividends in the long run wrt their brands, like many IPL owners are doing now. What do the (very) rich people of Pakistan think about this?

Because Pakistan is an unstable country in every aspect. These super rich overseas Pakistanis are not going to invest millions of dollars in a state where things can go south anytime.

Security situation is relatively good now but the threat will continue to linger on. All it takes is one terrorist attack and Pakistan cricket will be back to square one.

IPL is a completely different ball-game because Pakistan will probably need 50 years of progression to reach the level India is currently at.
 
Because Pakistan is an unstable country in every aspect. These super rich overseas Pakistanis are not going to invest millions of dollars in a state where things can go south anytime.

Security situation is relatively good now but the threat will continue to linger on. All it takes is one terrorist attack and Pakistan cricket will be back to square one.

IPL is a completely different ball-game because Pakistan will probably need 50 years of progression to reach the level India is currently at.

No I think we just need to win one more ICC T20 world cup and we are ahead
 
Ok. I hope the security situation remains good for a few more years for the investors to trust the system nd invest money into the game.

IPL is an unexpected success. Weird, because Pakistan and India were in a very similar position (economically) twenty years ago and in terms of per capita income they are not very different even today.

Because Pakistan is an unstable country in every aspect. These super rich overseas Pakistanis are not going to invest millions of dollars in a state where things can go south anytime.

Security situation is relatively good now but the threat will continue to linger on. All it takes is one terrorist attack and Pakistan cricket will be back to square one.

IPL is a completely different ball-game because Pakistan will probably need 50 years of progression to reach the level India is currently at.
 
I think indians are more interested in �� than Pakistani's. Do u agree?


I agree about the cricket madness in India. But what are Pakistanis interested then, in terms of entertainment/sports?
 
I think indians are more interested in 🏏 than Pakistani's. Do u agree?

May be that is why BCCI gets its act right because it knows that it’s the fans that make them the richest board in the world. About time PCB caters to the fans as well. Do you agree?
 
This maybe a very ignorant question, pardon me if I offend anyone here, but can't the billionaires from Pakistan and Pakistan-origin-Americans/Britishers/Australians/Canadians come together to invest and raise PSL to a very high performing and high-paying league? They could reap dividends in the long run wrt their brands, like many IPL owners are doing now. What do the (very) rich people of Pakistan think about this?

pakistan has a massively under developed corporate sector when compared to india. a lot of pakistan's wealth is tied into agricultural land holdings, which tends to be decentralised and de-corporatised.

the service sector again, is massively decentralised with smaller players rather than larger (for the size of pakistans population) corporates.

furthermore the larger of the landholders exploit political influence for material gain and spotlight and fame is the last thing they want, and most of their operations are run in a commercially inefficient manner.

this all reduces the domestic market for goods in pakistan signifcantly compared to india (which has one or two major corporate hubs, the rest is similarish to pakistan), thus reduces the value of advertising, branding and subsequently the psl as a whole to investors both foreign and domestic before considerations such as political and security developments.
 
This is very insightful. Thank you [MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION], I understand the context better now.


pakistan has a massively under developed corporate sector when compared to india. a lot of pakistan's wealth is tied into agricultural land holdings, which tends to be decentralised and de-corporatised.

the service sector again, is massively decentralised with smaller players rather than larger (for the size of pakistans population) corporates.

furthermore the larger of the landholders exploit political influence for material gain and spotlight and fame is the last thing they want, and most of their operations are run in a commercially inefficient manner.

this all reduces the domestic market for goods in pakistan signifcantly compared to india (which has one or two major corporate hubs, the rest is similarish to pakistan), thus reduces the value of advertising, branding and subsequently the psl as a whole to investors both foreign and domestic before considerations such as political and security developments.
 
pakistan has a massively under developed corporate sector when compared to india. a lot of pakistan's wealth is tied into agricultural land holdings, which tends to be decentralised and de-corporatised.

the service sector again, is massively decentralised with smaller players rather than larger (for the size of pakistans population) corporates.

furthermore the larger of the landholders exploit political influence for material gain and spotlight and fame is the last thing they want, and most of their operations are run in a commercially inefficient manner.

this all reduces the domestic market for goods in pakistan signifcantly compared to india (which has one or two major corporate hubs, the rest is similarish to pakistan), thus reduces the value of advertising, branding and subsequently the psl as a whole to investors both foreign and domestic before considerations such as political and security developments.

Very informative post. POTW material?
 
BCCi - IPL
CA - BBL
ECB - T20 Blast

And the rest feed off scraps.

That's how it is.
 
No I think we just need to win one more ICC T20 world cup and we are ahead

It is time for the delu.... word again but you will get triggered as usual.

Winning a WT20 will have no long-term consequences because Pakistan as a country and PCB as a board have far bigger problems than what winning a tournament can solve.

The complete lack of impact that the Champions Trophy had on Pakistan ODI cricket is enough evidence.

It is a myth that IPL succeeded because India won the WT20 in 2007. That victory served nothing more than a sweet coincidence.

IPL succeeded because BCCI correctly forecasted T20 cricket’s future growth and was able to sell the idea to Bollywood stars and business tycoons in India.

More impotently, India had a positive global image in terms of security with a lot of foreign investment already, plus they did not find themselves struggling to get out of the FATF grey list like Pakistan.

The success/failure of a cricket board is not independent on the socioeconomic and political factors of its country.

For PSL and Pakistan cricket to achieve parity with IPL and Indian cricket, Pakistan as a country will first have to achieve parity with India.

The following would need to happen:

- economic growth, especially in the corporate sector. The big techno players need to seriously think about investing in Pakistan’s human capital. You cannot pump billions into your cricket when your economy is surviving on loans and IMF handouts.

- a complete shift of Pakistan’s reputation and global image. No more FATF grey list and a country that is no longer associated with terrorism and religious extremism.

Then and only then can PCB consider competing with BCCI. Do you think a mere WT20 win can achieve the above?
 
I think indians are more interested in �� than Pakistani's. Do u agree?

No, I don't agree - billionaires are billionaires for a reason and they know how to make money, do know how to invest money. Shahid Khan has invested money enough in Jaguars and Fulham, fraction of which can change entire PSL's landscape, let alone one franchise - but he won't do that not because he is not interested or he is not patriotic enough or he doesn't have money. Another technical problem is that, one billionaire can't change anything in franchise system because there are caps put into it - it has to be six billionaires for six franchise and everyone willing to spend/invest.

These people invest money after calculating ROI - not even Abrahamovic or Rybolovlev with their looted money from Russian Mafia spend it for Chelsea or Monaco with out a confirmed return. This year Lampard was given an open cheque book, because CFC has made it to UEFA CL - Roman wants to help his Manager as much as possible to ensure a return in CL next year - that's guaranteed around $120-150mn; while Monaco is selling players in last few years after collecting marquee players at premium, but it couldn't sustain with that cost in French League, now in closer to relegation battle than CL qualification.... Rybolovlev still lives in Principality and owns over $8bn.

It's only in PakPassion that I read about financial potential of PSL - in reality, PCB is in legal tussle with the owners and they'll accommodate the owners' demand, wait & see. The way PSL (or even IPL) is running isn't sustainable as a business model - these billionaire/millionaire owners won't put their money in a system where they don't have much control. Franchise system works in North America because there the League is owned by the Franchise owners, not by US/Canadian Sports federation or ministry. These owners unanimously appoint a Commissioner to run the competition & draft on their behalf within the laws of the game, in a viable financial model and under the perimeters set by the sports governing body of the county - Head of Sports operation looks after the team affairs while the owners control the business and financials - make money out of the gate, endorsements & media rights.

I am quite honest about my assessment and I can categorically tell you that PSL won't stand any chance even against BPL financially because of the wealth BPL owners have accumulated legally or illegally. But, if you had noticed my posts on BPL long before Covit hit the world, I categorically wrote that BPL will lost it's mojo this year (2019) - not that suddenly Bangladesh or the BPL owners have become poor or BD market has lost apatite for BPL; rather because of a change in Govt. policy, previously which allowed Franchise to use BPL as a laundry house to wash-out their black money. This year, it was changed to a financial model which had to be audited at source and expense notes are to be submitted in National Board of Revenue - suddenly the interest for BPL & love for cricket evaporated and BCB had to buy out all 7 Franchises ..... pay $70K to Mo Amir (previous year he got at least $200K) and now has cancelled this year's BPL. Next year, Mo Amir might not even play in BPL for $35K.... who knows.

IPL in India makes sense, just like EPL in UK, Chinese Super League in China or NFL in USA. If PSL over estimates it's might, it'll end like New York Cosmos. An NFL cheapest ticket is around $200 and those stadiums holds 80K+ capacity crowd, Super Bowl sells 15 second ad time at around $10-12 mn........... MU still receives over $120mn from gate and over $35mn from Chevrolet/year, Barcelona would have crossed $1bn this year bar Covit as annual gross revenue ..... the scales are different - so are the investments - nothing emotional here.
 
It is time for the delu.... word again but you will get triggered as usual.

Winning a WT20 will have no long-term consequences because Pakistan as a country and PCB as a board have far bigger problems than what winning a tournament can solve.

The complete lack of impact that the Champions Trophy had on Pakistan ODI cricket is enough evidence.

It is a myth that IPL succeeded because India won the WT20 in 2007. That victory served nothing more than a sweet coincidence.

IPL succeeded because BCCI correctly forecasted T20 cricket’s future growth and was able to sell the idea to Bollywood stars and business tycoons in India.

More impotently, India had a positive global image in terms of security with a lot of foreign investment already, plus they did not find themselves struggling to get out of the FATF grey list like Pakistan.

The success/failure of a cricket board is not independent on the socioeconomic and political factors of its country.

For PSL and Pakistan cricket to achieve parity with IPL and Indian cricket, Pakistan as a country will first have to achieve parity with India.

The following would need to happen:

- economic growth, especially in the corporate sector. The big techno players need to seriously think about investing in Pakistan’s human capital. You cannot pump billions into your cricket when your economy is surviving on loans and IMF handouts.

- a complete shift of Pakistan’s reputation and global image. No more FATF grey list and a country that is no longer associated with terrorism and religious extremism.

Then and only then can PCB consider competing with BCCI. Do you think a mere WT20 win can achieve the above?

You are a rational guy. So what do you think is a constructive way for Pakistan Cricket to improve.

There is definitely a large pool of cricket resources after India and probably more than Eng,Aus or even Bangladesh as well.

Forget about the political climate because Srilankan cricket thrived during their worst crisis, similarly SA once the entire apartheid stigma had died down somewhat is struggling with other issues that is plaguing their cricket . WI is not a
Country so there is always going to be politics

I might have ideological differences or traditional
Rivalry or whatever but would be interesting to hear a constructive opinion on the way forward.

Cricket will definitely be poorer without Pakistan cricket which has always provided great talents and even now at their weakest they can have an off say to beat big teams in any format even though they cannot do it 8 out of 10 times.
 
Franchise system works in North America because there the League is owned by the Franchise owners, not by US/Canadian Sports federation or ministry. These owners unanimously appoint a Commissioner to run the competition & draft on their behalf within the laws of the game, in a viable financial model and under the perimeters set by the sports governing body of the county - Head of Sports operation looks after the team affairs while the owners control the business and financials - make money out of the gate, endorsements & media rights........

IPL in India makes sense, just like EPL in UK, Chinese Super League in China or NFL in USA. If PSL over estimates it's might, it'll end like New York Cosmos. An NFL cheapest ticket is around $200 and those stadiums holds 80K+ capacity crowd, Super Bowl sells 15 second ad time at around $10-12 mn........... MU still receives over $120mn from gate and over $35mn from Chevrolet/year, Barcelona would have crossed $1bn this year bar Covit as annual gross revenue ..... the scales are different - so are the investments - nothing emotional here.

insightful, so i guess part of paving the way forward is greater transparency and partial ownership with the franchise owners of a devolved league product, so owners have incentive have a very long term investment commitment.

i dont think PSL is overestimating or over committing itself, but its difficult to say unless the teams and league release audited financial information.
 
No, I don't agree - billionaires are billionaires for a reason and they know how to make money, do know how to invest money. Shahid Khan has invested money enough in Jaguars and Fulham, fraction of which can change entire PSL's landscape, let alone one franchise - but he won't do that not because he is not interested or he is not patriotic enough or he doesn't have money. Another technical problem is that, one billionaire can't change anything in franchise system because there are caps put into it - it has to be six billionaires for six franchise and everyone willing to spend/invest.

These people invest money after calculating ROI - not even Abrahamovic or Rybolovlev with their looted money from Russian Mafia spend it for Chelsea or Monaco with out a confirmed return. This year Lampard was given an open cheque book, because CFC has made it to UEFA CL - Roman wants to help his Manager as much as possible to ensure a return in CL next year - that's guaranteed around $120-150mn; while Monaco is selling players in last few years after collecting marquee players at premium, but it couldn't sustain with that cost in French League, now in closer to relegation battle than CL qualification.... Rybolovlev still lives in Principality and owns over $8bn.

It's only in PakPassion that I read about financial potential of PSL - in reality, PCB is in legal tussle with the owners and they'll accommodate the owners' demand, wait & see. The way PSL (or even IPL) is running isn't sustainable as a business model - these billionaire/millionaire owners won't put their money in a system where they don't have much control. Franchise system works in North America because there the League is owned by the Franchise owners, not by US/Canadian Sports federation or ministry. These owners unanimously appoint a Commissioner to run the competition & draft on their behalf within the laws of the game, in a viable financial model and under the perimeters set by the sports governing body of the county - Head of Sports operation looks after the team affairs while the owners control the business and financials - make money out of the gate, endorsements & media rights.

I am quite honest about my assessment and I can categorically tell you that PSL won't stand any chance even against BPL financially because of the wealth BPL owners have accumulated legally or illegally. But, if you had noticed my posts on BPL long before Covit hit the world, I categorically wrote that BPL will lost it's mojo this year (2019) - not that suddenly Bangladesh or the BPL owners have become poor or BD market has lost apatite for BPL; rather because of a change in Govt. policy, previously which allowed Franchise to use BPL as a laundry house to wash-out their black money. This year, it was changed to a financial model which had to be audited at source and expense notes are to be submitted in National Board of Revenue - suddenly the interest for BPL & love for cricket evaporated and BCB had to buy out all 7 Franchises ..... pay $70K to Mo Amir (previous year he got at least $200K) and now has cancelled this year's BPL. Next year, Mo Amir might not even play in BPL for $35K.... who knows.

IPL in India makes sense, just like EPL in UK, Chinese Super League in China or NFL in USA. If PSL over estimates it's might, it'll end like New York Cosmos. An NFL cheapest ticket is around $200 and those stadiums holds 80K+ capacity crowd, Super Bowl sells 15 second ad time at around $10-12 mn........... MU still receives over $120mn from gate and over $35mn from Chevrolet/year, Barcelona would have crossed $1bn this year bar Covit as annual gross revenue ..... the scales are different - so are the investments - nothing emotional here.

Wow what a knowledgeable post.

Do u see plenty of revenue when inshAllah fans are back in stadiums and full houses in PSL? Add to that a home and away system? Can they at least be profitable?
Can PSL become second to IPL? No shame in being second to them
 
Wow what a knowledgeable post.

Do u see plenty of revenue when inshAllah fans are back in stadiums and full houses in PSL? Add to that a home and away system? Can they at least be profitable?
Can PSL become second to IPL? No shame in being second to them

I think, we should stop bringing IPL here - it's not necessary for PSL to be compared to anyone, rather it can be successful within it's own right. Think about Turkish Soccer league ...

Revenue is just a number - bottom line is, weather PSL is keeping it's market interest intact within a budget that it can earn and remain profitable. I don't see the discussion in that line - every discussion is about how much money is paid and how much more required .... money is resource here - the more, always the better, but somewhere it has to be tied. No shame even being 3rd or 4th or 5th as long as it's serving the purpose. You see, still CA has enough wealth both financially and talentwise - they give a damn about BBL, top Aussies often skip it and they don't even stop their National schedule for that. Is it second, third, fourth... 10th?

Regarding profitability, I put it other way - PSL will have to find a way to remain popular and earn profit as well. You back calculate the numbers, should be able to figure out the possible cash out flow - the end justifies the means.

At present, I don't like the way PSL is operating or perceived at PP. First, I don't like it to be the Pensioner's Super League - retired or Kolpak players without any future making easy money here. Just like Malik/Hafeez can bully inexperienced or substandard teams from their vast experience, these 35+ brigade are bullying PSL - do you ever think these Weise, Dunk or Samit, Tahir has any further International future or any hunger, or they can match-up their heroics of 5-6/10-12 years back?

So, first thing is PSL should change it's stand - bring young, aspirant International players who'll use PSL for their stepping stone for bigger deals at IPL or EPL - there shouldn't be any shame in that; Ajax Amsterdam has supplied super players throughout their history - they are proud of their academy, respected as well by others. Young, active players will give their 100% and they'll make their countrymen to follow PSL more - trust me, instead of washed up Tamim, Mahmudullah, Mushi, Shakib .. had PSL brought Liton, Taskin, Mustafiz or Saifuddin; it's interest would have been quadruple in BD, at least Tamims are still active Internationals ...... PSL is bringing retired or forgotten players at premium cost!!!!

Second thing is the realization with whom PSL is competing - not with IPL, CPL, BBL, BPL or EPL. There are several soccer leagues going around Europe at same time - that doesn't mean Apollon Limassol's fan stop watching their team when Liverpool is playing ManU. PSL is competing with International cricket - it won't get regular International players without a dedicated window, it can't pay enough to force a window.
Only fools would believe that ICC is helping IPL with a window - ICC was forced to do that because cricket boards couldn't handle their own players; so indirectly they asked ICC to give IPL a window to save their pride ..... 35 years back, English County season monopolized 5 months of year as such that from April to SEP, there were no cricket elsewhere - do you think ICC helped them? PSL should look for it's best interest for PAK cricket and as I said - the best time I see is arranging PSL during IPL - it'll save PAK domestics 2 months, PAK National team 2 months (otherwise they'll be sitting on Biryani during IPL for many, many years to come), and PSL will get better value for money.

These UHD streaming, gana bazana are useless staff - subject to economy of a system, no need to stress for that as long as cricket is good. Pay sweet, that shameless guy Adnan Sami will come to sing "PAK saar zamin ..." twice every day in PSL grounds. What people are interested is not the dance of half naked cheerleaders, for that we adults can go to striptease - people are interested to see the next emerging players from PAK and cricket as a whole .... PSL's official average age is worthy of the taunt : Pensioner's league and it's growing since most of those common faces are coming every years - a year senior than previous tournament.

So, implementing just few things can bring lot more quality & sustainability in PSL -

1. Proper Home & Away contest, preferably on better wickets & outfields
2. Young, active and hungry foreign recruits, MUST be active internationals
3. Position PSL as a platform for young players - French Liga 1 uses a slogan "the league of future stars" or something in that line. A youthful collection, both domestically and International - players who have a future and ambition. We can bash him always, but I'll like to see Musa Khan more than Rahat Ali, don't care who performs better, just one example. PSL can compete with IPL only on subjective parameters - youthfulness, emerging talents, hidden gems ..... these cheap shot of using former players telling how good PSL is compared to IPL sounds like empty vessels in seasoned ears of mine, when PAK cricket itself is sinking.
4. A selective draft to ensure local players are participating for their home town as much as possible. It's possible since the drafts are for fixed amount - put icon players for their town at least for 2-3 years when PSL is back at home - Babar for Lahore, Amir/Imad for Islamabad, Shaheen for Peshawar, Sarfraz for Karachi .... yes, six teams have to be balanced, but no harm in keeping couple of local icons.
5. Spread-out the last few games a bit more so that fans can enjoy the last minute's thrill - who makes the cut & who misses out. Using IPL window gives enough time without costing International schedule

After that, once the brand has it's own identity - put muscles in it - more investment, bigger pay cheque, global presence, may be dedicated window ..... The whole basket will get fatter, won't matter how much you are spending, as long as - the end justifies the means.
 
Potw!! :14:

i think, we should stop bringing ipl here - it's not necessary for psl to be compared to anyone, rather it can be successful within it's own right. Think about turkish soccer league ...

Revenue is just a number - bottom line is, weather psl is keeping it's market interest intact within a budget that it can earn and remain profitable. I don't see the discussion in that line - every discussion is about how much money is paid and how much more required .... Money is resource here - the more, always the better, but somewhere it has to be tied. No shame even being 3rd or 4th or 5th as long as it's serving the purpose. You see, still ca has enough wealth both financially and talentwise - they give a damn about bbl, top aussies often skip it and they don't even stop their national schedule for that. Is it second, third, fourth... 10th?

Regarding profitability, i put it other way - psl will have to find a way to remain popular and earn profit as well. You back calculate the numbers, should be able to figure out the possible cash out flow - the end justifies the means.

At present, i don't like the way psl is operating or perceived at pp. First, i don't like it to be the pensioner's super league - retired or kolpak players without any future making easy money here. Just like malik/hafeez can bully inexperienced or substandard teams from their vast experience, these 35+ brigade are bullying psl - do you ever think these weise, dunk or samit, tahir has any further international future or any hunger, or they can match-up their heroics of 5-6/10-12 years back?

So, first thing is psl should change it's stand - bring young, aspirant international players who'll use psl for their stepping stone for bigger deals at ipl or epl - there shouldn't be any shame in that; ajax amsterdam has supplied super players throughout their history - they are proud of their academy, respected as well by others. Young, active players will give their 100% and they'll make their countrymen to follow psl more - trust me, instead of washed up tamim, mahmudullah, mushi, shakib .. Had psl brought liton, taskin, mustafiz or saifuddin; it's interest would have been quadruple in bd, at least tamims are still active internationals ...... Psl is bringing retired or forgotten players at premium cost!!!!

Second thing is the realization with whom psl is competing - not with ipl, cpl, bbl, bpl or epl. There are several soccer leagues going around europe at same time - that doesn't mean apollon limassol's fan stop watching their team when liverpool is playing manu. Psl is competing with international cricket - it won't get regular international players without a dedicated window, it can't pay enough to force a window.
Only fools would believe that icc is helping ipl with a window - icc was forced to do that because cricket boards couldn't handle their own players; so indirectly they asked icc to give ipl a window to save their pride ..... 35 years back, english county season monopolized 5 months of year as such that from april to sep, there were no cricket elsewhere - do you think icc helped them? Psl should look for it's best interest for pak cricket and as i said - the best time i see is arranging psl during ipl - it'll save pak domestics 2 months, pak national team 2 months (otherwise they'll be sitting on biryani during ipl for many, many years to come), and psl will get better value for money.

These uhd streaming, gana bazana are useless staff - subject to economy of a system, no need to stress for that as long as cricket is good. Pay sweet, that shameless guy adnan sami will come to sing "pak saar zamin ..." twice every day in psl grounds. What people are interested is not the dance of half naked cheerleaders, for that we adults can go to striptease - people are interested to see the next emerging players from pak and cricket as a whole .... Psl's official average age is worthy of the taunt : Pensioner's league and it's growing since most of those common faces are coming every years - a year senior than previous tournament.

So, implementing just few things can bring lot more quality & sustainability in psl -

1. Proper home & away contest, preferably on better wickets & outfields
2. Young, active and hungry foreign recruits, must be active internationals
3. Position psl as a platform for young players - french liga 1 uses a slogan "the league of future stars" or something in that line. A youthful collection, both domestically and international - players who have a future and ambition. We can bash him always, but i'll like to see musa khan more than rahat ali, don't care who performs better, just one example. Psl can compete with ipl only on subjective parameters - youthfulness, emerging talents, hidden gems ..... These cheap shot of using former players telling how good psl is compared to ipl sounds like empty vessels in seasoned ears of mine, when pak cricket itself is sinking.
4. A selective draft to ensure local players are participating for their home town as much as possible. It's possible since the drafts are for fixed amount - put icon players for their town at least for 2-3 years when psl is back at home - babar for lahore, amir/imad for islamabad, shaheen for peshawar, sarfraz for karachi .... Yes, six teams have to be balanced, but no harm in keeping couple of local icons.
5. Spread-out the last few games a bit more so that fans can enjoy the last minute's thrill - who makes the cut & who misses out. Using ipl window gives enough time without costing international schedule

after that, once the brand has it's own identity - put muscles in it - more investment, bigger pay cheque, global presence, may be dedicated window ..... The whole basket will get fatter, won't matter how much you are spending, as long as - the end justifies the means.
 
It is time for the delu.... word again but you will get triggered as usual.

Winning a WT20 will have no long-term consequences because Pakistan as a country and PCB as a board have far bigger problems than what winning a tournament can solve.

The complete lack of impact that the Champions Trophy had on Pakistan ODI cricket is enough evidence.

It is a myth that IPL succeeded because India won the WT20 in 2007. That victory served nothing more than a sweet coincidence.

IPL succeeded because BCCI correctly forecasted T20 cricket’s future growth and was able to sell the idea to Bollywood stars and business tycoons in India.

More impotently, India had a positive global image in terms of security with a lot of foreign investment already, plus they did not find themselves struggling to get out of the FATF grey list like Pakistan.

The success/failure of a cricket board is not independent on the socioeconomic and political factors of its country.

For PSL and Pakistan cricket to achieve parity with IPL and Indian cricket, Pakistan as a country will first have to achieve parity with India.

The following would need to happen:

- economic growth, especially in the corporate sector. The big techno players need to seriously think about investing in Pakistan’s human capital. You cannot pump billions into your cricket when your economy is surviving on loans and IMF handouts.

- a complete shift of Pakistan’s reputation and global image. No more FATF grey list and a country that is no longer associated with terrorism and religious extremism.

Then and only then can PCB consider competing with BCCI. Do you think a mere WT20 win can achieve the above?

Right ok. So IPL is great...and India has won one World Cup, so has Pakistan. So basically one is a better Tamasha than the other because it sold its idea better to Bollywood stars and Tycoons? But it has not resulted in more championships for India, right so we are delusional for stating facts.

I argued this with you before as well. Let the Window happen first, and let Pakistan not sign those superstars that enable IPL to be very good in the first place with that window provided to Pakistan. When it happens, I’ll join you in cursing the PSL management.
 
Heard PCB is in talks with ICC on this issue.

Since the WC is shifted to Oct-Nov, PCB is booking the Feb March slot for the PSL so that max international stars can take part.

Can someone update?

If it happens then it will be fantastic for the league.

As much as i love the PSL and how much I'm looking forward to tomorrow's final, we need more competitive stars to be in the league specifically bowlers like Rabada, Cummins, Starc and Archer. The IPL is much more competitive in comparison to PSL, however the PSL has a wide variety of talented Pakistan bowlers and we get a good exhibition of Pakistan batsmen.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] good post, but i disagree on your core suggestion, there is a fundamental difference when monaco or ajax develops young talent, they are tied to contracts that these clubs monetise. psl cant hold any player to a contract to stop them upping and leaving for the ipl one season or two seasons in, therefore immediate product is far more important than long term investment.

the psl teams are trying to build brands because they are all new themselves, and the only way to do that is by winning, and as unglamourous as it is older players with global t20 experience add a lot of value to an inexperienced league.

i dont think forcing franchises to include more young overseas players within the current salary restriction is practical, hence why i think reducing the overall number of foreign players makes more sense so you can compete with other leagues for tier 2 players.
 
Love how everyone's writing essays in this thread - The news clearly makes a lot of posters uncomfortable here :)) :))

Anyways if we do get a window, that'll be cool and all but even if we don't I am ok with it because a T20 league shouldn't be any longer than 15-20 days including playoffs.
 
There's been several POTW suggestions here which says something. Some posters (Mamoon, mhhs, ElRaja) have really provided an insightful analysis here and may it continue.

[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] it could be worth pinging some posts in this thread over to Wasim Khan at some point so he can have a read of people's ideas.
 
Love how everyone's writing essays in this thread - The news clearly makes a lot of posters uncomfortable here :)) :))

Anyways if we do get a window, that'll be cool and all but even if we don't I am ok with it because a T20 league shouldn't be any longer than 15-20 days including playoffs.

Man this is seriously unbearable .Seems very concern faces didn't know psl has become that much important
 
Love how everyone's writing essays in this thread - The news clearly makes a lot of posters uncomfortable here :)) :))

Anyways if we do get a window, that'll be cool and all but even if we don't I am ok with it because a T20 league shouldn't be any longer than 15-20 days including playoffs.

Man this is seriously unbearable .Seems very concern faces didn't know psl has become that much important

I love how some posters here make valid, well thought out posts and then some people react like children and strawmanning. Which of their points do you not agree with? People talk about economy, geography, business model, plan,future, ideas and your reply is - HA HA, you are jealous

Also, i always laugh at the conspiracy mindset. Everyone is out to get Pakistan and everyone is upset when Paksitan is doing well. Its Trump supporter like delusional mentality. And it comes across as very juvenile
 
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Add Root, Adil, Hales, Livingston, Head, Carey, Handscomb, McDermott, Phillipe, Khwaza, Mitch Marsh, Southee, Janeman Malan, Moulder, Markram, Mustafiz, Mahmudullah, Liton, Saifuddin and whole bunch of other active internationals. IPL picks only 64 international players & they don’t/can’t pick the top 64 due to budget cap - what will be left still is a fantastic pool.
Agreed.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] good post, but i disagree on your core suggestion, there is a fundamental difference when monaco or ajax develops young talent, they are tied to contracts that these clubs monetise. psl cant hold any player to a contract to stop them upping and leaving for the ipl one season or two seasons in, therefore immediate product is far more important than long term investment.

the psl teams are trying to build brands because they are all new themselves, and the only way to do that is by winning, and as unglamourous as it is older players with global t20 experience add a lot of value to an inexperienced league.

i dont think forcing franchises to include more young overseas players within the current salary restriction is practical, hence why i think reducing the overall number of foreign players makes more sense so you can compete with other leagues for tier 2 players.


Soccer model is different than T20 franchise cricket. A soccer club identifies/scouts players as young as 6 years old, then invest on the kid, sometimes establish their families as well (parents given jobs, house, free schooling for siblings ...). After investing 10-12 years in hundreds of kids, some of these kids might be good enough to sign first pro contract at 18. That model is built on players development - clubs will develop players and cash on them, some clubs do it better than others - but itÂ’s not that only small clubs are developers, even top clubs can have functional academies - MU has played over 1050 consecutive league games with at least one player from their academy, La Messia has produced more world class players in last 20 years than most nations...

T20 is a bit different ball game - here the trick or target is not to develop players; which is impossible in 10 weekÂ’s tournament, neither through that version of cricket. Here the credit is for finding uncut gems, give them exposers and may be one or two of them every year will end-up as a top class player. It doesnÂ’t matter if a player from AFG, WIN or Bangladesh or Nepal makes a name in PSL in one season and leaves for IPL next one, never comes back ..... peopleÂ’ll follow the next season to see which next unknown star to be born. Couple of years back Sandeep Lamichanne made IPL draft - was he that good? No, it was for a different purpose and it did take IPL to Nepal big time. Sandeep didnÂ’t make it to IPL again, but he got into BPL, PSL, CPL ... it can happen both ways.

Also, in club soccer there is a major factor is transfer-fee - clubs invest money on youth in a hope that they can recover the investment with profit from transfer fees - thatÂ’s the business model of French, Dutch & Portuguese league - they bring talented kids from Latin America, Africa, East Europe and give them exposure, highest number of U19 players start in top divisions in these three leagues .... these kids stay there till 19-23 then move to UK, Spain, Italy, Germany, Turkey, China or Russia; clubs make hefty profit and next batch takes over.

This is the only viable route for PSL to position itself - a brand that identifies young players, gives them opportunities to shine; doesnÂ’t matter if the player leaves next year - PSL isnÂ’t investing in their development, only expense is wage for the service these players are giving in that season. Otherwise, PSL actually wonÂ’t compete even with BPL if it tries to go via spending route or play naughty with ICC - why, i can explain with hard core numbers, but that’ll creat unnecessary bitterness.
 
Soccer model is different than T20 franchise cricket. A soccer club identifies/scouts players as young as 6 years old, then invest on the kid, sometimes establish their families as well (parents given jobs, house, free schooling for siblings ...). After investing 10-12 years in hundreds of kids, some of these kids might be good enough to sign first pro contract at 18. That model is built on players development - clubs will develop players and cash on them, some clubs do it better than others - but itÂ’s not that only small clubs are developers, even top clubs can have functional academies - MU has played over 1050 consecutive league games with at least one player from their academy, La Messia has produced more world class players in last 20 years than most nations...

T20 is a bit different ball game - here the trick or target is not to develop players; which is impossible in 10 weekÂ’s tournament, neither through that version of cricket. Here the credit is for finding uncut gems, give them exposers and may be one or two of them every year will end-up as a top class player. It doesnÂ’t matter if a player from AFG, WIN or Bangladesh or Nepal makes a name in PSL in one season and leaves for IPL next one, never comes back ..... peopleÂ’ll follow the next season to see which next unknown star to be born. Couple of years back Sandeep Lamichanne made IPL draft - was he that good? No, it was for a different purpose and it did take IPL to Nepal big time. Sandeep didnÂ’t make it to IPL again, but he got into BPL, PSL, CPL ... it can happen both ways.

Also, in club soccer there is a major factor is transfer-fee - clubs invest money on youth in a hope that they can recover the investment with profit from transfer fees - thatÂ’s the business model of French, Dutch & Portuguese league - they bring talented kids from Latin America, Africa, East Europe and give them exposure, highest number of U19 players start in top divisions in these three leagues .... these kids stay there till 19-23 then move to UK, Spain, Italy, Germany, Turkey, China or Russia; clubs make hefty profit and next batch takes over.

This is the only viable route for PSL to position itself - a brand that identifies young players, gives them opportunities to shine; doesnÂ’t matter if the player leaves next year - PSL isnÂ’t investing in their development, only expense is wage for the service these players are giving in that season. Otherwise, PSL actually wonÂ’t compete even with BPL if it tries to go via spending route or play naughty with ICC - why, i can explain with hard core numbers, but that’ll creat unnecessary bitterness.

What you are talking about is PSL acting as a kind of feeder system to IPL and to the international teams for the unknown talent. IPL did that in the beginning years for players like Shaun marsh and David miller.
The only thing is I am not sure if it will satisfy the Pakistani ego to be second fiddle, especially to India.
They have the best upcoming talent which is mismanaged.
 
What you are talking about is PSL acting as a kind of feeder system to IPL and to the international teams for the unknown talent. IPL did that in the beginning years for players like Shaun marsh and David miller.
The only thing is I am not sure if it will satisfy the Pakistani ego to be second fiddle, especially to India.
They have the best upcoming talent which is mismanaged.

Ego & superiority complex has cost PAK lot, lot - not only in cricket. Somewhere, it has to change and some generation has to learn it from past - why not from PSL? Supplying players is not being second fiddle, rather it’s part of a supply chain, which is better than isolation.

The sports world is a feeder system - nothing to be shamed or insulted in it. Every sports has a tier system - either in own country or globe as a whole. In that regard the biggest feeder in world soccer are Brazil & Argentina. The amount of talent that Russia & Canada has produced in ice hockey is mind blowing and these players won Stanley Cup for Detroit Redwings, Canadians, Maple Leafs, Pittsburg Penguins, Chicago Blackhawks .... in EPL hundreds of young players are loaned to championship, for game time .... there has to be a coexistence.
 
I don't foresee that.....BBL couldnt ....PSL though relatively smaller in length can be given a window....but I think it won't....
 
Love how everyone's writing essays in this thread - The news clearly makes a lot of posters uncomfortable here :)) :))

Anyways if we do get a window, that'll be cool and all but even if we don't I am ok with it because a T20 league shouldn't be any longer than 15-20 days including playoffs.

Is there a news of getting one.....then it is a welcome change
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] why does PSL have to operate during the IPL window for this to take place? Won’t it lure less broadcasting views as majority is dominated by IPL, so better to have it before or after? Even a clash with an international fixture will still lose less views than a clash with IPL as 90% of cricket world watches IPL.

Secondly let’s say there are two objectives of PSL, not just one. First one is money in which case we can discuss the argument as per the terms you’ve laid out in earlier posts in this thread (and excellent points made). If I were to say that second objective is talent development of Pakistani players as well, we want to provide them with higher profile cricketers such as Faf, Brathwaite, who also play IPL, rather than only include emerging prospects. Will Pakistan ever be able to compete with India or any other nation in international fixtures if pak players fail to not only play IPL but also play in PSL with England, Windies, Aussie players who also play IPL.

As the money is beginning to grow with a return to Pakistan, I can feasibly see PSL offering more competitive contracts than CPL and BBL, not IPL though, so at least we will begin to lure the players who play 2 T20 leagues a year.

Under the direct competition same-window model, we will lose these players as well, and be restricted to the “left overs” (you have mentioned some excellent names, but Joe Root is hardly a competitive T20 player compared even to Tom Banton who is playing IPL). In fact if you look at Banton, it’s a prime case where IPL is also performing the dual role of talent development that you want PSL to undertake - we can’t even lock Banton for PSL over IPL, and others like him, so is it smart to operate in the same window? How will we perform talent development of the top class talent?
 
Precisely. These are some of the names that went unsold in the IPL auction....

Martin Guptill
Colin De Grandhomme
Evin Lewis
Kusal Perera
Heinrich Klassen
Mark wood
Matt Henry
Shai Hope
Mushfiqur Rahim
Andile Phehlukwayo


Now compare them to some of the dead weight that play in the PSL.

Musfiq not keen on travelling to. PAK.....Hope is not a t20 hope......local bowlers are better than perera Wood Phehlukwayo......so it's left with Klassen Lewis Guptil ColindG.....not much to take the risk of organising PSL in the same time of IPL....moreover Jordan Faf Steyn Mills Russell might not play PSL........
ITS simply not worth it...

Best way....make 3 foreigners and 2 emerging player mandatory per team.....less overseas players mean the overseas rooster is more stronger and marketable......also more money can be spend to sign high profile internationals.......preferably batsmen and allrounders.......

This is the only way.....and the fifth edition of PSL showed it has its own charisma and attraction.....

The more it is held in home country the more it will grow.......
 
Is there a news of getting one.....then it is a welcome change

PSL getting a window would be counter productive right now, I can go into lengthy details on how it would be such, but there is no point since (a) Private comp windows are directly correlated on how much revenue PCB puts in the ICC pool (because a window allows more revenue due to targeted Intl players & media rights), and (b) How does it affect the big 3 - That's the reality of the situation.

Typing some make believe (analysis) without having access to top level PCB administration is futile because this is nothing more than a flex by Wasim. In the last 2 years I've made trips into the HPC and Lahore HQ quite a few times. The direction the administration is taking is good one because our primary concern is to completely cut off that UAE venue (including for the likes of AUS/ENG/NZ) so as to build revenue in the next 2-5 years. Once that revenue is there, we will push a greater share into the pool and then from there onwards we'd look at a window. The requisition would have far greater weight at that point than right now - This request is a pivot for the future (nothing more).
 
PSL getting a window would be counter productive right now, I can go into lengthy details on how it would be such, but there is no point since (a) Private comp windows are directly correlated on how much revenue PCB puts in the ICC pool (because a window allows more revenue due to targeted Intl players & media rights), and (b) How does it affect the big 3 - That's the reality of the situation.

Typing some make believe (analysis) without having access to top level PCB administration is futile because this is nothing more than a flex by Wasim. In the last 2 years I've made trips into the HPC and Lahore HQ quite a few times. The direction the administration is taking is good one because our primary concern is to completely cut off that UAE venue (including for the likes of AUS/ENG/NZ) so as to build revenue in the next 2-5 years. Once that revenue is there, we will push a greater share into the pool and then from there onwards we'd look at a window. The requisition would have far greater weight at that point than right now - This request is a pivot for the future (nothing more).

Good analysis brother.....
Also IPL getting more teams.. say...12 ...and BBL increasing it's length many teams won't like the window...esp those countries like BD IRL who missed out on international. Fixture more often......plus....lengthier tournament means more strains and chance of injury and that's y i think many players esp bowlers even indian players goona skip it in future..........

This is where PSL is an alternative for many.....relatively smaller tournament....and if they somehow get 2 offer same money.....which can be a reality if PSL imposes only 3 overseas player in XI per team and with more PSL at home more revenue can be generated......SO in 2 or 3 years PSL can offer similar money to international players who would then have a good reason to skip IPL .....and hence avert injuries ..

Also many players don't get game time and won't get it in future too like Miller Banton Tye plus few unsold players like CDG Guptil can be easily persuaded and bought.....

Yes IPL purse will only rise but once it is 10 plus team tournament many local and foreign players would skip it.......
 
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Right ok. So IPL is great...and India has won one World Cup, so has Pakistan. So basically one is a better Tamasha than the other because it sold its idea better to Bollywood stars and Tycoons? But it has not resulted in more championships for India, right so we are delusional for stating facts.

I argued this with you before as well. Let the Window happen first, and let Pakistan not sign those superstars that enable IPL to be very good in the first place with that window provided to Pakistan. When it happens, I’ll join you in cursing the PSL management.

If you are tying the success of a T20 league with the number of WT20s won by the host nation, then the Caribbean Premier League is the best T20 league in the world because West Indies have won two WT20s, and even the Sri Lankan league is better than IPL and PSL.

So when Pakistan inevitably fails to win next year, I am sure you will use your own logic and stop propagating the laughable myth that PSL bowling is the best among all leagues.

The Premier League is widely considered to be the league in the world, but since it emerged in its current form, England have won 0 tournaments.

If we use your logic then Ligue 1 is better than the Premier League because Ligue 1 has given France three trophies in the Premier League era.

In fact, even Greek and Portuguese leagues can be considered better because both countries have won Euros in the Premier League era.

By now, I hope it is clear to you how your logic practically works and the direction in which it is heading.

Besides, if you are hell-bent on linking T20 leagues with the success of the host nation, then you can also say that India have won the ODI World Cup in the IPL era and have consistently ranked in the top 3 in ODIs and T20Is in the IPL era.

As far as the window is concerned, again, PSL does not deserve a window because it does not have the financial muscle to attract the best contemporary players in the world.

The real reason why IPL has a window is because it has the power to sabotage international cricket.

As I said earlier, the top players in the world will not suddenly make a beeline to play in PSL because the schedule is not clashing with international commitments.

The only way they will play is if PSL raises its salary cap to match their worth. If and when that happens, ICC will automatically be forced to give PSL a window without PCB begging for one.
 
Musfiq not keen on travelling to. PAK.....Hope is not a t20 hope......local bowlers are better than perera Wood Phehlukwayo......so it's left with Klassen Lewis Guptil ColindG.....not much to take the risk of organising PSL in the same time of IPL....moreover Jordan Faf Steyn Mills Russell might not play PSL........
ITS simply not worth it...


Kusal Perera...not Thisara. He's a tier above Vilas, Walton etc...

Phehlukwayo is an all-rounder and I'm pretty sure he'll have buyers in a league where the likes of Gregory and Delport are in high demand.

Shai Hope has 136 SR in T20Is and is also a wk. Once again Vilas, Walton..... you get the point. If Tamim Iqbal can.... Shai Hope most definitely can ....

And if you think Mark Wood wouldn't find a place in any PSL XI, then well....I got nothing to say.

You can always work it out with Mushfiqur. You never know. Alex Hales wasn't interested in the beginning. Now he's in Karachi.
 
You are a rational guy. So what do you think is a constructive way for Pakistan Cricket to improve.

There is definitely a large pool of cricket resources after India and probably more than Eng,Aus or even Bangladesh as well.

Forget about the political climate because Srilankan cricket thrived during their worst crisis, similarly SA once the entire apartheid stigma had died down somewhat is struggling with other issues that is plaguing their cricket . WI is not a
Country so there is always going to be politics

I might have ideological differences or traditional
Rivalry or whatever but would be interesting to hear a constructive opinion on the way forward.

Cricket will definitely be poorer without Pakistan cricket which has always provided great talents and even now at their weakest they can have an off say to beat big teams in any format even though they cannot do it 8 out of 10 times.

Pakistan cricket needs a factory reset because our mentality and cricket culture is rotten to the core.

I would say that hardly 1% of the people in Pakistan understand cricket and have high cricket IQs. This includes the players, coaches, ex-players, media analysts, fans etc.

We misdiagnose our problems and provide dumb solutions. In other words, we are truly clueless in each and every aspect. Plus our obsession with considering India our rival in 2020 instead of accepting the fact that Indian cricket left Pakistan cricket in its dust years ago is also hurting us big time.

Pakistan has a huge market and with a massive pool of players. In these aspects, Pakistan is second only to India. However, making structural changes are easy but changing your mentality is very, very difficult.

First you have to accept your rotten mentality before you can hope for improvement. That is why the future is dark and Pakistan will remain a mediocre team.
 
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[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] why does PSL have to operate during the IPL window for this to take place? Won’t it lure less broadcasting views as majority is dominated by IPL, so better to have it before or after? Even a clash with an international fixture will still lose less views than a clash with IPL as 90% of cricket world watches IPL.


I'm pretty sure atleast 95% of IPL viewership comes from within India. Same for PSL with Pakistan. How is that going to make any difference?

Most Pakistanis will watch a PSL game over an IPL one and there are 200M+ of them. It's that simple.
 
Kusal Perera...not Thisara. He's a tier above Vilas, Walton etc...

Phehlukwayo is an all-rounder and I'm pretty sure he'll have buyers in a league where the likes of Gregory and Delport are in high demand.

Shai Hope has 136 SR in T20Is and is also a wk. Once again Vilas, Walton..... you get the point. If Tamim Iqbal can.... Shai Hope most definitely can ....

And if you think Mark Wood wouldn't find a place in any PSL XI, then well....I got nothing to say.

You can always work it out with Mushfiqur. You never know. Alex Hales wasn't interested in the beginning. Now he's in Karachi.

Jab Allah ne Rauf Hasnain Shinwari Naseem ko diya hai.......Wood ka kya darkar....

Forget Wood .....Curran won't find buyer .

Don't compare 2 leagues....if u say Delport Gregory Dawson Vijoyen have takers here but not in IPL....THEN I can give same rationale behind Gayle Curran Isru Udana who would never be bought here no matter how big their achievement in IPL is.......
As long Pak attract young English talent and few experienced pros from around the globe baring India ofcourse......it won't matter.......we are having Faf today......tomorrow we may get Warner .....

Hope is not as marketable as others like Klarseen DeCock......or even Ronchi......

Walton is a decent keeper and good hitter ....

Kushal perera don't have the consistency plus he would cost an overseas spot....

The future of PSL with 7 8 teams is definitely brighter than the current lot of overseas players...
 
I'm pretty sure atleast 95% of IPL viewership comes from within India. Same for PSL with Pakistan. How is that going to make any difference?

Most Pakistanis will watch a PSL game over an IPL one and there are 200M+ of them. It's that simple.

It's about making most out of any deal and investment which won't be possible then...

Plus many overseas player wouldnt be available for PSL for obvious reasons...
 
I'm pretty sure atleast 95% of IPL viewership comes from within India. Same for PSL with Pakistan. How is that going to make any difference?

Most Pakistanis will watch a PSL game over an IPL one and there are 200M+ of them. It's that simple.

It’s about non-Pakistani viewership, those numbers count too. We might not have a lot of that right now but the plan is to grow those numbers, and even if they don’t grow, we certainly don’t want to reduce them by clashing with IPL
 
Can we cut out this PSL is low quality, IPL is better rubbish from this thread.

Seems same people with same agenda appear in every thread and destroy it.

I will start deleting irrelevant posts
 
It’s about non-Pakistani viewership, those numbers count too. We might not have a lot of that right now but the plan is to grow those numbers, and even if they don’t grow, we certainly don’t want to reduce them by clashing with IPL

Yeah I know they count but don't you think they're miniscule compared to the viewership you get from Pak. So won't it be too much of a risk to compromise on the overall quality of the league for the sake of an additional (fractional) viewership?

Also remember that most of the non-pakistani viewership would most likely be from overseas Pakistanis (in UK, Canada, US etc). So that won't change too.
 
Yeah I know they count but don't you think they're miniscule compared to the viewership you get from Pak. So won't it be too much of a risk to compromise on the overall quality of the league for the sake of an additional (fractional) viewership?

Also remember that most of the non-pakistani viewership would most likely be from overseas Pakistanis (in UK, Canada, US etc). So that won't change too.

Aren’t we fundamentally compromising the quality of the league anyways by clashing with IPL, so we lose all the mercenaries who do 2 or more T20 leagues a year?

Essentially, PSL’s competition is not with IPL it’s with CPL BBL etc, in terms of luring these mercenaries.
 
PSL won’t get any separate window for sure. It’s even more impractical considering CV-19 has shrieked cricket calendar by a year and lots of make ups need to be done.

I think, instead of trying for separate window, which will be another expensive waste of time; what PCB should do is shift PSL during IPL season - either way PAK players are going to IPL while there are only few common players in both leagues, PSL won’t miss much. PSL’s competition isn’t IPL rather international cricket - shifting PSL during IPL window still will leave them better player pools than current picks. Also, IPL left overs (players who missed IPL contracts), will be far more committed to prove a point in expectations that a great PSL season might make their chances better for next IPL draft - I am sure overall standard will get better.

PSL during IPL window and PSL draft a week after IPL draft - I am certain that with same budget, PSL’s foreign collection will be much better - lots of active internationals will participate.

A seperate window of 2-4 weeks for PSL will simply mean no other international cricket going on between this period.

-which means 100% international player availability (Subject to agreement through agent/agencies)
-All broadcasting companies and production houses available
-All international icc approved umpires Available
-Potential Sponsors getting a much better value for their investment as the exposure will be exclusive during that 2-4 week period.

It’s not a question about competing with the IPL, it’s a simple question about giving the best quality of cricket, production and exposure of Sponsored products to the Pakistani awaam and the Pakistan cricket fans from across the globe. If the cricket community itself wants to engage like they do in the IPL, that is also welcome.

PCB can and should achieve 10 times more with PSL if it is given that exclusive window, and if it doesn’t then I will be the first to write off the PCB even before [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] does for letting down the Pakistani viewership and the global cricket community with a poor product even though they had a level playing field with the IPL this time.

However, I once again reiterate that I do not think it is sensible to get this window a couple of weeks before the IPL window, this will do PCB no good as the priority for the top players is to still remain 100% fit for the IPL.

I don’t know what is the compromise that the ICC have made with the BCCI for this exclusive window, but I wouldn’t bet against the fact that there is definitely some serious financial incentive or benefit involved which the ICC finds very hard to refuse. ICC are a business before an organisation, and they have been milking their money from India and Pakistan throughout even though the two countries have been in bad terms since 2009. If Wasim Khan uses the PCB profits to hit the right chords, then he may be in business with them
 
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/69...deals-after-securing-windows-for-psl-editions

Article from July for those who are interested. Seems Ehsan Mani has pulled some strings to get an unofficial deal?

Let’s see the PCB scheduling for 2021 PSL and the Player list in the Draft system. Not getting my hopes up high yet. If they have secured that perfect window as mentioned in the article, then they can also give the Pakistani fans players like Quinton DeQock and David Warner
 
Aren’t we fundamentally compromising the quality of the league anyways by clashing with IPL, so we lose all the mercenaries who do 2 or more T20 leagues a year?

Essentially, PSL’s competition is not with IPL it’s with CPL BBL etc, in terms of luring these mercenaries.

Not really.

As brother [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] mentioned, IPL for all it's riches can only have 64 foreign players. There will always be dozens of quality international regulars that won't get an IPL contract. I can name probably 50 international regulars that didn't feature in the recently concluded season that will surely take PSL's quality up a couple of notches.

Don't you think Guptill, de Grandhomme, KJ Perera, Klassen etc are a better draw than the current lot?
 
If I have a choice between Adam Lyth and Hanrik Klaasen, I know I am pick Lyth 100/100 times.

You are either significantly good enough to improve a T20 side as an overseas or you are simply not. Guptil and Root are fair examples but I don’t know if these guys have personal issues with traveling to Pakistan, or demand an unrealistic premium.

PSL only needs the following top draws:

Jos Butler
Ben Stokes
Eoin Morgan
Kagiso Rabada
Quinton DeQock
Anrich Nortje
Nicholas Pooran
Jofra Archer
David Warner
Steven Smith
Pat Cummins (for crying out loud)
Trent Boult
Mitch Santner
Faf Duplesis

It’s a long list, but if we can’t have them then it’s no point to have an exclusive window
 
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