Will this be a blessing in disguise for India before T20WC 2022?

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This is the worst that could have happened before the WC. Team management and selectors have to take some harsh decisions now. I think we should send a young team full of players who are not afraid of playing their shots and enjoying the game.

One look at players like Rohit, KL and Kohli tells these three are under stress. KL looks like someone who is always short of confidence. Kohli isn't the same anymore. He wastes too many deliveries. Rohit is getting old. He is sloppy in the field also.

Less said about players like Chahal and Pant the better. Expectations are high from them but they don't deliver. Especially Pant who was preferred over inform Karthik. It's better to look ahead and send a young team for the world cup just like 2007 WC.

Guys like Gill, Samson, Kishan, Bishnoi, Umran should be picked.

 

[Champ_Pal]

No suitable replacements available. Only Bumrah will walk into the team. The rest of team will remain the same.

This Asia cup will be quickly forgotten. Nothing will change.

 

[IAJ]

Well they had opportunities to try out new players against Ireland, Windies and Zimbabwe. When they didn't do that, no way they will send them to Down Under.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Well they had opportunities to try out new players against Ireland, Windies and Zimbabwe. When they didn't do that, no way they will send them to Down Under.

Kishan, Samson, Umran etc did play against those sides. Samson was in good touch but Pant was preferred over him and this is the problem with this team. Guys who don't perform keep getting chances after chances whereas others like Shaw, Gill, Samson, Kishan and even Umran will get limited opportunities. Bishnoi is the latest example.

 

[IAJ]

Kishan, Samson, Umran etc did play against those sides. Samson was in good touch but Pant was preferred over him and this is the problem with this team. Guys who don't perform keep getting chances after chances whereas others like Shaw, Gill, Samson, Kishan and even Umran will get limited opportunities. Bishnoi is the latest example.

Well, that is pure stupidity from the selectors. You need to give players a longer run, how will you build the team? But this happens in Pakistan as well.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Well, that is pure stupidity from the selectors. You need to give players a longer run, how will you build the team? But this happens in Pakistan as well.

They have invested too much in the current bunch to discard them like a pack of used cigarettes.

India plays a lot of cricket. This Asia cup will be forgotten very soon.

 

[shamaan]

No suitable replacements available. Only Bumrah will walk into the team. The rest of team will remain the same.

This Asia cup will be quickly forgotten. Nothing will change.

Kishan should be brought into the squad.

 

[shamaan]

I think one or two of Kohli,KL or Pant should be dropped.

 

[shamaan]

The management picked the wrong squad they were atleast 1 pacer down.

 

[Cricwc2021]

India isn’t the team they are until 2019 WC. Not sure why they went back to medium pacers when they have some real fast bowlers. Indian also need to get rid of their inconsistent and over the hill players in this format.

 

[Gayle_Force]

India is a great team and I don’t think the performance in the Asia Cup changes that. This team is fully capable of winning the World Cup. My only hope is that this Asia Cup brings some Indian Fans down to earth.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think one or two of Kohli,KL or Pant should be dropped.

Kohli and Pant should be dropped. I will say once again give the keeping gloves to KL Rahul. He was pretty confident when he was playing as a wicketkeeper batsman. Rahul Dravid's batting also improved after becoming a wicketkeeper. As a keeper you have to judge every ball and as a result of that your batting also improves. He is not a tullaybaaz like Pant. He plays proper cricketing shots and it is all in his mind.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol no. Either they will not make any changes or bring in Chahar or Thakur etc.

There is a defiant attitude with the team management.

 

[Champ_Pal]

India is a great team and I don’t think the performance in the Asia Cup changes that. This team is fully capable of winning the World Cup. My only hope is that this Asia Cup brings some Indian Fans down to earth.

The obnoxious fans that come to the stadium are mostly drunk. My friends who regularly go to India vs West Indies matches that are played in Florida tell me that most drunk Indian fans keep hurling abuses and even do not leave Indian players from the onslaught. They told me that they specifically target Kohli whenever he fields at the boundary line.

 

[ads101]

Think this marks the change towards franchise cricket. After Kohli is gone, I think India will pick their players for t20 based on IPL cricket, whosever in form and consistently performs. Like a reward for playing well in IPL. I don’t think there will be a set national team anymore in t20s for India.

I think India are currently hurting from the fact there aren’t those younger big name batsmen in the squad. Even Pakistan have Babar and Rizwan. It’s just more a revolving door with India’s youngsters, no one has really stood out from India to take up the mantle from Kohli or even Rohit. Most of the younger Indian batsmen are more famous for their IPL teams than for India.

I think India will probably field stronger t20 teams like that too, then having a whole proper national set up, it will probably also lead to greater professionalism and competition in IPL too.

 

[shamaan]

Kohli and Pant should be dropped. I will say once again give the keeping gloves to KL Rahul. He was pretty confident when he was playing as a wicketkeeper batsman. Rahul Dravid's batting also improved after becoming a wicketkeeper. As a keeper you have to judge every ball and as a result of that your batting also improves. He is not a tullaybaaz like Pant. He plays proper cricketing shots and it is all in his mind.

Pant should definitely be dropped he's had to many opportunities but I'd replace him with Kishan.

 

[Champ_Pal]

After the T20 WC, Indian T20 team will give chances to Gill, Shaw, Rajat Patidar, Sharma from Sunrisers Hyderabad etc...

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Another problem with this Indian team is there are too many potential captains. Our selectors are also dumb. In one series Dhawan was our captain, then Pant, Pandya, KL Rahul became captain one by one. Kohli is an ex captain and if I am not wrong even Bumrah captained India in one of the matches? Then you have guys like Iyer, Ashwin, Jadeja, Karthik. They play 3 months of IPL and still they don't have any clarity about captaincy and wicketkeeper batsman. And this is the team of richest cricket board on planet earth?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pant should definitely be dropped he's had to many opportunities but I'd replace him with Kishan.

Personally I would replace him with Samson. He is a pretty good wicketkeeper and not a hack at all.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

I suppose Bumrah is a huge factor

 

[shamaan]

Personally I would replace him with Samson. He is a pretty good wicketkeeper and not a hack at all.

Fair enough Samson is good though.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Absolutely a blessing in disguise. India will do much better at the World T20.

Gloom and doom predictors and naysayers forget that we just won a T20 series in England with pretty much a similar side. This team did not become #1 ranked overnight by beating a few minnows. It has actually played well.

I still think their on field decision making has not been as good as it should have been but there's nothing to suggest it's a bad team. Yet.

 

[Major]

Wasnt the last world t20 a blessing in disguise for them? They should had learned and be prepare right now.

This team lost to sri lanka of all the teams out there. At this rate, even afghanistan might defeat them.

Indias bowling is a joke. 130kph bowlers running in...

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Absolutely a blessing in disguise. India will do much better at the World T20.

Gloom and doom predictors and naysayers forget that we just won a T20 series in England with pretty much a similar side. This team did not become #1 ranked overnight by beating a few minnows. It has actually played well.

I still think their on field decision making has not been as good as it should have been but there's nothing to suggest it's a bad team. Yet.

Wow so our win in England T20 series is important but Asia Cup was an irrelevant tournament for you? This team became number 1 how? By playing bilaterals? Are these the same bilaterals which you also call meaningless here?

 

[docteurmanish]

India learned from last World Cup . Batting is much better and new talent discovered .

I would want to see the effect of sides batting second in dubai . Seems to me that there is a 5-10 percent benifit of batting second .

In t20 u don’t get second chances . Better to fail here . But approach is much better than ever .

Once bumrah is back , chahar is back , it will be a decent team again .

Only issue is with pace - india has 145 k bowlers - mohsin khan , porel etc .

 

[Madplayer]

India's combinations have been atrocious in this tournament apart from the first game vs Pakistan.

I can't believe I am saying this but they are missing the balance that Jadeja brings. I have never rated Jadeja as a lower order batsman but clearly he is India's best bet these days given his all-round abilities.

Captaincy has been mediocre too. Hooda is not a lower order batsman. DK should replace him or Pant.

KL Rahul is a slightly better version of Umar Akmal, temperament wise.

And they're doing everything they can to destroy Arshdeep's confidence. At least yesterday Arshdeep should have bowled the 19th over instead of Bhuvi. I believe Arshdeep needs to work more on his new ball bowling but he can be an asset in death overs. With Bumrah and him, India could really defend low scores.

Overall, India has confused itself with too many players in the pool and no consistency in selection and playing XI.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India's combinations have been atrocious in this tournament apart from the first game vs Pakistan.

I can't believe I am saying this but they are missing the balance that Jadeja brings. I have never rated Jadeja as a lower order batsman but clearly he is India's best bet these days given his all-round abilities.

Captaincy has been mediocre too. Hooda is not a lower order batsman. DK should replace him or Pant.

KL Rahul is a slightly better version of Umar Akmal, temperament wise.

And they're doing everything they can to destroy Arshdeep's confidence. At least yesterday Arshdeep should have bowled the 19th over instead of Bhuvi. I believe Arshdeep needs to work more on his new ball bowling but he can be an asset in death overs. With Bumrah and him, India could really defend low scores.

Overall, India has confused itself with too many players in the pool and no consistency in selection and playing XI.

I have always rated Jadeja but our local experts here only use him as someone who can take the blame for their overhyped superstars failures.

 

[ExpressPacer]

This is the worst that could have happened before the WC. Team management and selectors have to take some harsh decisions now. I think we should send a young team full of players who are not afraid of playing their shots and enjoying the game.

One look at players like Rohit, KL and Kohli tells these three are under stress. KL looks like someone who is always short of confidence. Kohli isn't the same anymore. He wastes too many deliveries. Rohit is getting old. He is sloppy in the field also.

Less said about players like Chahal and Pant the better. Expectations are high from them but they don't deliver. Especially Pant who was preferred over inform Karthik. It's better to look ahead and send a young team for the world cup just like 2007 WC.

Guys like Gill, Samson, Kishan, Bishnoi, Umran should be picked.

Most average player in this Indian team is SKY.

The rest have something to show for at the very least. Rohit and VK have proven themselves over the years. Pant has performed decently enough in Tests to be continued with. KL Rahul is a decent enough opener and has done the job several times.

It is SKY, however, who is continually failing. These 30s at a low strike rate, I'm afraid, are not good enough. The man is overhyped to the moon like he is the second coming of AB De Villiers but this is the 3rd time in a row in this tournament that he has failed to perform versus a decent opposition.

There is so much batting talent in India but for some reason, the rope is also very long for below-average players like SKY. He may have a range of flashy shots and good wristwork but there is no point in that when he is a bang on average player.

 

[OldWarHorse]

So the Blessing in Disguise bug now bites Indian fans as well.

 

[Majestic]

Your team is not a T20 oriented team, the earlier you understand the better it is.

A great T20 team is one who has couple of powerful middle order batsman who can hit sixes with ease and in crunch situations. Neither India nor Pakistan has. Australia and England have that.

A great T20 team is one whose bowling attack is top notch. Bowling attack matters the most as you cannot compromise on that aspect. You need a quality pacer who can bowl 140k+ and quality spinners as well. India don't have. Pakistan atleast is good in that aspect. Australia are also good in this, England barring Archer don't have the quality in bowling either.

India will be a high class ODI and Test team (except in swing conditions) but in T20s, they are not good enough.

 

[Majestic]

Hack Pant needs to be dropped.

Play Jadeja/Hooda( if Jadeja unfit) at 4 instead of Pant.

Play DK at 7.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Your team is not a T20 oriented team, the earlier you understand the better it is.

A great T20 team is one who has couple of powerful middle order batsman who can hit sixes with ease and in crunch situations. Neither India nor Pakistan has. Australia and England have that.

A great T20 team is one whose bowling attack is top notch. Bowling attack matters the most as you cannot compromise on that aspect. You need a quality pacer who can bowl 140k+ and quality spinners as well. India don't have. Pakistan atleast is good in that aspect. Australia are also good in this, England barring Archer don't have the quality in bowling either.

India will be a high class ODI and Test team (except in swing conditions) but in T20s, they are not good enough.

But but we have IPL where top rated international cricketers play and we have money too so finding 11 top notch cricketers to play for India shouldn't be a problem.
[MENTION=143730]AMSS[/MENTION] are you not going to say #ThankYouIPL?

 

[ExpressPacer]

Can the Indian posters please shed some light on this important question of mine?

I fail to understand why India refuse to play their genuine fast bowlers.

Over the years, I've heard about many Indian fast bowlers that have the ability to bowl at high speeds - Tyagi, Mavi, Saini, Umran, to name a few.

I get it that Indian posters love to talk about control over pace. However, at the end of the day, pace makes a huge difference. The way India has wasted express bowlers like Varun Aaron and the way it is wasting its current lot of fast bowlers, I am amused to see the surprise of Indian posters.

The fact is, bowlers like Bumrah, Arshdeep and Pandya to an extent, just don't trouble the batsmen with their gentle medium pace.

 

[Mamoon]

India is still an incredible team and several notches about other Asian sides. Pakistani fans are delusional - they are living in a fool’s paradise if they think Pakistan is better or at par with India now.

Both the World T20 and the Asia Cup was in UAE, and India simply picked the wrong bowling attack for these conditions twice.

If they pick the right team they will be one of the heavy favorites for the World T20 in Australia.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Our death bowling will be good once Bumrah and Harshal back.
We also missed Jaddu.
Bhuvi or Chahar with new ball. Bumrah and Harshal at death will solve all problems.

Chokers KL and Pant should not be picked for WC.

Rohit
Kohli
Padikkal/Samson
SKY
Hardhik
Jaddu
DK
Harshal
Bishnoi/Chahal
Bhuvi/Chahar/Umran
Bumrah

 

[ExpressPacer]

A great T20 team is one who has couple of powerful middle order batsman who can hit sixes with ease and in crunch situations. Neither India nor Pakistan has. Australia and England have that.

I can't believe it that I'm saying this but I genuinely think that Asif Ali has the ability to hit sixes with ease and in crunch situations. He has done in 3 times now against high quality bowling and in pressure situations. In the recent India game, it was only after his six at the end that settled nerves and gave Pakistan a shot.

I say this as someone who isn't the biggest fan of Asif. He is a hack of the highest order but he hits sixes at will and is much better than Khushdil, Ifti and Faheem Ashraf.

He is definitely more comfortable against pace than spin but thankfully, by the time he comes to the crease at the death, teams usually only bowl their fast bowlers anyway.

 

[Marooned]

India is still an incredible team and several notches about other Asian sides. Pakistani fans are delusional - they are living in a fool’s paradise if they think Pakistan is better or at par with India now.

Both the World T20 and the Asia Cup was in UAE, and India simply picked the wrong bowling attack for these conditions twice.

If they pick the right team they will be one of the heavy favorites for the World T20 in Australia.

Nah man, they aren't that good in t20. I know their bench players very well and it's clutching at straws at best to suggest they had appreciably better bowlers sitting out.
Whoever isn't playing becomes a messiah.

Which bowlers they should've played?

 

[Varun]

If we win the WT20 it'll be as big a fluke as 1983.

 

[Mesozoic]

This tournament signifies absolutely nothing for the World Cup. UAE conditions are the farthest possible to Australian conditions barring maybe Mirpur, Bangladesh. And the toss factor is just way too big (particularly in Dubai) to take anything in this tournament seriously. Games between the top 8 sides are decided based on the flip of a coin and defending any score (below 200) is like a mountain to climb.

I won't be too harsh on them. Atleast for now.

 

[Mesozoic]

If we win the WT20 it'll be as big a fluke as 1983.

Every T20 world Cup is won by a fluke. It's the nature of this format.

 

[Marooned]

This tournament signifies absolutely nothing for the World Cup. UAE conditions are the farthest possible to Australian conditions barring maybe Mirpur, Bangladesh. And the toss factor is just way too big (particularly in Dubai) to take anything in this tournament seriously. Games between the top 8 sides are decided based on the flip of a coin and defending any score (below 200) is like a mountain to climb.

I won't be too harsh on them. Atleast for now.

Back in our days, we used to win both defending and chasing here, no problem

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This tournament signifies absolutely nothing for the World Cup. UAE conditions are the farthest possible to Australian conditions barring maybe Mirpur, Bangladesh. And the toss factor is just way too big (particularly in Dubai) to take anything in this tournament seriously. Games between the top 8 sides are decided based on the flip of a coin and defending any score (below 200) is like a mountain to climb.

I won't be too harsh on them. Atleast for now.

This. A voice of sanity amongst a bunch of reactionary voices. Last time we batted first in Dubai at the World T20, we were getting blasted apart by the likes of Pakistan and NZ. Sure, we lost 2 games batting first but these were much closer matches and it's clear this team has improved in a few ways.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This tournament signifies absolutely nothing for the World Cup. UAE conditions are the farthest possible to Australian conditions barring maybe Mirpur, Bangladesh. And the toss factor is just way too big (particularly in Dubai) to take anything in this tournament seriously. Games between the top 8 sides are decided based on the flip of a coin and defending any score (below 200) is like a mountain to climb.

I won't be too harsh on them. Atleast for now.

Ok so toss is the real villain. Wow.

 

[NishanKonar]

Too much overreaction for a loss at a venue where toss is so ceitical

I mean if you think about it - both games India lost was due to toss. Had we won toss this discussion wud not be happening. Every major game in this Asia CUp in Dubai was won by team winning toss. Just like T20 WC

In Australia toss will not be such critical factor

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Too much overreaction for a loss at a venue where toss is so ceitical

I mean if you think about it - both games India lost was due to toss. Had we won toss this discussion wud not be happening. Every major game in this Asia CUp in Dubai was won by team winning toss. Just like T20 WC

In Australia toss will not be such critical factor

That's true. You would not have given the credit to toss had India won those matches. This exucse only comes up whenever we lose or when we don't want to accept that we played poor cricket.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Too much overreaction for a loss at a venue where toss is so ceitical

I mean if you think about it - both games India lost was due to toss. Had we won toss this discussion wud not be happening. Every major game in this Asia CUp in Dubai was won by team winning toss. Just like T20 WC

In Australia toss will not be such critical factor

How is toss so much a factor without dew? Even Kohli said that the pitch is more or less the same in both innings? Most game have gone down to the wire. I agree India don’t have much to worry about but in their last two innings they were not able to capitalize on a strong start and faltered in the last 5-6 overs.

 

[ethan hunt]

It would be funny if the other teams show how to win after losing the toss.
Hard to blame the toss when the matches are going to the last ball and chasing teams have actually struggled at times unlike the Worldt20.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How is toss so much a factor without dew? Even Kohli said that the pitch is more or less the same in both innings? Most game have gone down to the wire. I agree India don’t have much to worry about but in their last two innings they were not able to capitalize on a strong start and faltered in the last 5-6 overs.

That is what I am trying to understand too. There is no dew yet they are blaming the toss without even watching the match. All matches except India vs Hong Kong, could have gone either ways.

 

[NishanKonar]

How is toss so much a factor without dew? Even Kohli said that the pitch is more or less the same in both innings? Most game have gone down to the wire. I agree India don’t have much to worry about but in their last two innings they were not able to capitalize on a strong start and faltered in the last 5-6 overs.

Now if Kohli says toss is factor - people will say sour grapes

But ask urself. Why do u think every captain is batting 2nd in Dubai. Same thing happened in T2-0 WC. Not 1 match was won by team batting 1st ! Aus , Eng , NZ, Pak all lost when they batted first in T20 WC. U think bowling was problem in all of them ?

I have not seen this happen at any other venue. Just watch out for T20 WC in Australia . Check how many times captain bats 2nd if he wins toss

Anyways as an Indian fan I wud not worry about these losses in Dubai. All 4 games we lost in Dubai ( World T20 and Aisa CUp ) were after losing toss - just like every other team

 

[Rana]

India have to deal with this side at least until the 2023 World Cup which they are expected to win at home. Major changes, rebuilding of the squad is expected after that

 

[Marooned]

It would be funny if the other teams show how to win after losing the toss.
Hard to blame the toss when the matches are going to the last ball and chasing teams have actually struggled at times unlike the Worldt20.

Yeah, it's probably just psychological.

I mean as if cricket started in Dubai in 2021... It was our home, we have defended meagre totals here. Hard to accept this theory without a valid explanation.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Now if Kohli says toss is factor - people will say sour grapes

But ask urself. Why do u think every captain is batting 2nd in Dubai. Same thing happened in T2-0 WC. Not 1 match was won by team batting 1st ! Aus , Eng , NZ, Pak all lost when they batted first in T20 WC. U think bowling was problem in all of them ?

I have not seen this happen at any other venue. Just watch out for T20 WC in Australia . Check how many times captain bats 2nd if he wins toss

Anyways as an Indian fan I wud not worry about these losses in Dubai. All 4 games we lost in Dubai ( World T20 and Aisa CUp ) were after losing toss - just like every other team

That's nice. So you will send the same team for the World Cup as well?

 

[NishanKonar]

That's nice. So you will send the same team for the World Cup as well?

Bumrah and Harshal should come in. Pant & Bhuvi should be dropped.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yeah, it's probably just psychological.

I mean as if cricket started in Dubai in 2021... It was our home, we have defended meagre totals here. Hard to accept this theory without a valid explanation.

It is not a healthy sign to accept that indian bowlers failed to defend scores of 180s against Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Blaming it on the toss is a bit easier.

 

[NishanKonar]

India have to deal with this side at least until the 2023 World Cup which they are expected to win at home. Major changes, rebuilding of the squad is expected after that

I have feeling Kohli won't be part of 2023 WC squad

 

[Gayle_Force]

That is what I am trying to understand too. There is no dew yet they are blaming the toss without even watching the match. All matches except India vs Hong Kong, could have gone either ways.

Exactly most games going down to the wire is a great indication that the toss is not that important. I just genuinely think that subcontinent teams are better at chasing than setting up a score.

 

[Marooned]

Also we have stupid trolls who are looking for opportunities to play out their rubbish agenda whenever India loses a match !

Anyways its my opinion. I won't blame bowlers for failing to defend 180 total at avenue where no other team has successfully defended over the past 1 year. You can keep crying !

Did cricket start one year ago?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Also we have stupid trolls who are looking for opportunities to play out their rubbish agenda whenever India loses a match !

Anyways its my opinion. I won't blame bowlers for failing to defend 180 total at avenue where no other team has successfully defended over the past 1 year. You can keep crying !

You turning a blind eye towards india's poor performances won't change the reality. The fact that you want Bumrah and Harshal in the team and want to drop Pant and Bhuvi shows you too believe these guys didn't perform well. Pant failed to score while batting first and Bhuvi failed to defend a total in the end. Can't blame the toss now. You can keep your face towards the wall and continue crying.

 

[Rohan]

Now if Kohli says toss is factor - people will say sour grapes

But ask urself. Why do u think every captain is batting 2nd in Dubai. Same thing happened in T2-0 WC. Not 1 match was won by team batting 1st ! Aus , Eng , NZ, Pak all lost when they batted first in T20 WC. U think bowling was problem in all of them ?

I have not seen this happen at any other venue. Just watch out for T20 WC in Australia . Check how many times captain bats 2nd if he wins toss

Anyways as an Indian fan I wud not worry about these losses in Dubai. All 4 games we lost in Dubai ( World T20 and Aisa CUp ) were after losing toss - just like every other team

Bhai, respectfully disagreed on your last paragraph. If we want to consider ourselves as a top team, regardless of tosses, we should be able to defend/chase in our favour. Our bowlers failed to defend good scores which is a reality. If dew was the factor, these scores would be chased much earlier, not at the last couple of balls of the match.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bhai, respectfully disagreed on your last paragraph. If we want to consider ourselves as a top team, regardless of tosses, we should be able to defend/chase in our favour. Our bowlers failed to defend good scores which is a reality. If dew was the factor, these scores would be chased much earlier, not at the last couple of balls of the match.

Agree completely here. There was no dew so we shouldn't blame the toss.

 

[Smbhayi]

Anyways as an Indian fan I wud not worry about these losses in Dubai. All 4 games we lost in Dubai ( World T20 and Aisa CUp ) were after losing toss - just like every other team

If we're going to blame toss then that just means we are mental midgets, like KL Rahul, nothing more.. yesterday we lost the game mainly due to fielding and poor captaincy.. too many singles stolen by SL yesterday bcs we are not sharp in field yesterday..

 

[MP2011]

Bumrah and Harshal should come in. Pant & Bhuvi should be dropped.

Why are people mentioning Harshal along with Bumrah as if he is some sort of tried and tested champion bowler? Ok, he may be good in IPL but international cricket is a completely different animal altogether.

 

[MP2011]

And pls do not blame the toss for our losses in last 2 games. Despite losing both the tosses, we could have won both the games when penultimate overs in both games started.

 

[Rana]

Why are people mentioning Harshal along with Bumrah as if he is some sort of tried and tested champion bowler? Ok, he may be good in IPL but international cricket is a completely different animal altogether.

Coping mechanism [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Same Harshal was going at 10s/12s v Ireland

 

[Villager6964]

Didn't they get blessing in disguise after getting knocked out of world cup last year as well?

I hope India keep getting these blessings again and again.

Thank you india... For making me happy.

 

[Mesozoic]

Ok so toss is the real villain. Wow.

What real villian?

Of the last 20 games in Dubai, only two teams lost while batting second. And those are Scotland and Hong Kong. I will leave the rest to your imagination.

 

[Mesozoic]

People saying "games going down the wire" to dismiss the toss advantage are really being desperate here.

At no point in these games were the chasing not in countrol of the run chase. Pakistan and sri Lanka were in complete control of the game throughout their 2nd innings' against India. 25 off 12 is absolutely nothing these days when you have 5-6 wickets in hand. Bowling teams may create some drama but eventually the final hit does come from somewhere.

 

[Ashmal]

What real villian?

Of the last 20 games in Dubai, only two teams lost while batting second. And those are Scotland and Hong Kong. I will leave the rest to your imagination.

Kohli himself said there's no dew and the batting conditions don't change much in evening.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Now if Kohli says toss is factor - people will say sour grapes

But ask urself. Why do u think every captain is batting 2nd in Dubai. Same thing happened in T2-0 WC. Not 1 match was won by team batting 1st ! Aus , Eng , NZ, Pak all lost when they batted first in T20 WC. U think bowling was problem in all of them ?

I have not seen this happen at any other venue. Just watch out for T20 WC in Australia . Check how many times captain bats 2nd if he wins toss

Anyways as an Indian fan I wud not worry about these losses in Dubai. All 4 games we lost in Dubai ( World T20 and Aisa CUp ) were after losing toss - just like every other team

Teams are batting second because none of these teams are good enough to set a 190-200+ total against each other on these wickets.

The toss factor flies out of the window when dew is not involved. Pitch does not drastically change within 1-1.5 hours.

 

[Mesozoic]

Kohli himself said there's no dew and the batting conditions don't change much in evening.

Who said anything about due? It's just one of the factors. Not the only one. Ball skids onto the bat much better when the lights are in full effect. Just by looking at the action, you can see a day and night difference between how the ball is reaching the bat at 6 PM in the evening and 8:30 PM at night.

 

[Usman Chadda]

People saying "games going down the wire" to dismiss the toss advantage are really being desperate here.

At no point in these games were the chasing not in countrol of the run chase. Pakistan and sri Lanka were in complete control of the game throughout their 2nd innings' against India. 25 off 12 is absolutely nothing these days when you have 5-6 wickets in hand. Bowling teams may create some drama but eventually the final hit does come from somewhere.

Thats the nature of T20 cricket, teams prefer chasing targets as no total is safe anymore. You have to score 190-200+ to defend a target successfully, and no team has good enough batsmen to make that happen in this tournament.

 

[Ashmal]

Who said anything about due? It's just one of the factors. Not the only one. Ball skids onto the bat much better when the lights are in full effect. Just by looking at the action, you can see a day and night difference between how the ball is reaching the bat at 6 PM in the evening and 8:30 PM at night.

But didn't Kohli say in the press conference that the batting conditions don't change much throughout the game

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Defeats are never blessings in disguise.

Pakistan team has spent a decade and a half counting all their blessings in various disguises.

Only now they have started to take bold decisions and it remains to be seen how far they go. But it's clear - they are winning against good teams because they are playing better cricket on the day.

For India, it is a hiccup but not necessarily a call for radical action.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

But didn't Kohli say in the press conference that the batting conditions don't change much throughout the game

Kohli knows nothing about batting and batting conditions. Our experts know more than him these days.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Who said anything about due? It's just one of the factors. Not the only one. Ball skids onto the bat much better when the lights are in full effect. Just by looking at the action, you can see a day and night difference between how the ball is reaching the bat at 6 PM in the evening and 8:30 PM at night.

Can you point to any specific instances where the pitch batting second looked better than the first innings. In Ind vs SriLanka game the ball was swinging significantly in the first three overs in the second innings. India were in a position in both last matches to score 190-200 but they blew it because of their own poor shot selection. They ended up with about par score for the pitch and the teams chased it down. It’s as simple as that.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Who said anything about due? It's just one of the factors. Not the only one. Ball skids onto the bat much better when the lights are in full effect. Just by looking at the action, you can see a day and night difference between how the ball is reaching the bat at 6 PM in the evening and 8:30 PM at night.

Can you point to that specific action in Asia Cup? Thanks.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

But didn't Kohli say in the press conference that the batting conditions don't change much throughout the game

Thank God that guy is no longer the skipper. There's a reason every captain is looking to bowl first . Under lights, the wicket speeds up a touch regardless of the presence of dew.

Aaron Finch mentioned that after beating Pakistan in the last World T20. The chasing side's advantage is not merely psychological. The pitch stops gripping as much and makes strokeplay easier .

 

[Marooned]

Thank God that guy is no longer the skipper. There's a reason every captain is looking to bowl first . Under lights, the wicket speeds up a touch regardless of the presence of dew.

Aaron Finch mentioned that after beating Pakistan in the last World T20. The chasing side's advantage is not merely psychological. The pitch stops gripping as much and makes strokeplay easier .

But last wc we atleast had dew factor to account for in theory.
Last IND Pak game, I thought the ball came on spectacularly in 1st innings.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

But last wc we atleast had dew factor to account for in theory.
Last IND Pak game, I thought the ball came on spectacularly in 1st innings.

No there wasn't dew. Finch in that interview mentioned that there was no dew around for that match . He did mention dew in the final though and said that was the first time he saw dew in the tournament.