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Will this be the last ODI World Cup?

saqib.rai said:
I agree with you. But Australia, England and India will never allow test cricket to vanish.

The calendar is packed so something has to give. That will be scrapping of bilateral ODIs from 2027 and ODI cricket altogether after 2031 WC
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ODI World Cup will go the football way, happening every 4 years with bilateral ODI series in between. we may have champions trophy every two years and ODI World Cup every 4 years to keep the interest in format alive.
 
The World Cup opener being played in front of mostly empty stands. What does that tell you guys?

Don’t think the attendance would have been this low in a T20 game.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Actually, you have nothing to back that up.

Test matches cost upwards of $ 500,000 per match just for HawkEye alone. Let us look at Sri Lankan board's broadcast rights in the 2020-2023 period. Sony Pictures offered them around $ 22 million. But $11 million or so was contingent on 6 white ball matches when India toured (3 ODI's and 3 T20I's).

So, basically, if that tour didn't go ahead , their entire 3 year cycle would have been worth only $ 11 million. SLC don't make any money from hosting 6-7 Test matches a year. These are clear losses. 21 Test matches in 3 years would cost them their entire broadcast rights deal( sans India white ball tour)

So, it makes more sense for them to play ODI's and T20's to maximise profits and re-invest in their cricket not hold useless Test matches like Pakistan Tests which are 100 % loss-making.

A 2 Test tour by Pakistan will cost them at least a million dollars for Hawk-Eye alone and won't make them any money. A 3 match ODI series, may not only make more money than Tests but at the very least cut their costs by 70 %.

This is the exact scenario for West Indies, New Zealand, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Pakistan with the possible exception when India or England tour these nations because enough people in India/England will be bothered to watch their Test sides tour even these nations.

Only the Big 3 are able to profit from Test matches but that also only from each other mostly and that's why they play big 4/5 Test series against each other.
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Nothing you said proves me wrong. Remember the thread is about ODIs dying. I have already said tests apart from Aus, Eng, NZ and India are also not followed as much. But at least the contests are meaningful. The future is T20 and ODIs will eventually die off. The countries make money off white all cricket, doesn’t mean it’s just ODIs or that ODIs give better value than T20s.

They will make the same amount of money from 5 T20s that they would have from 3 T20s and 2 ODIs.
 
T20 World cups should be limited to 1 every 3 or 4 years instead teams should play tri series etc.. t20 World cups devalue 50 over World cup
 
Wasim Akram speaking to Fox Sports Australia:

“I have a problem with ODI cricket right now,”

“Very rarely do you see nowadays in one-day cricket something interesting happen in those (middle) 30 overs.

“Just go to 40 overs … you’ll have more action during that period.

“I don’t know if it’s going to happen, but I think 40 overs would be more interesting, especially for bilateral series.

“Nowadays the audience, we do know their (attention) span is lesser than the nineties, because of T20 formats, because of social media.

“We have to adapt.”

“There will be a lot of injuries (in the World Cup),” Akram predicted.

“Every player has to be physically very fit. So far we’ve seen the weather (in India) is very hot too.

“Naseem was playing the Lankan Premier League. I’m all for them making money and playing leagues, but you’ve got to manage these bowlers.

“They’re young, the future of Pakistan cricket.”
 
Nikhil_cric said:
ODI's have been purposely marginalised to accommodate WTC. That's all there is to it.

Apart from being a seriously loss-making format, it has the least interest among cricket fans.

Basically, the WTC was started as an excuse to help support Test cricket and the resulting shrinking space for ODI's has been used to justify an attempt to cull the ODI format.

It's a circular argument. But since a respected figure like Athers is saying this....
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ICC doesn’t know what they are doing. Bunch of fools.
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
Hopefully it is. Too boring. Who has the time to watch this 50 over bore-fest.
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Well said, and so if ODI is overall boring to watch, from this we can conclude that Test cricket is a waste in either most, if not all aspects (time, money etc.) In my other post in this thread, I mentioned that Test cricket should be removed altogether or at the very least removed Test status form nations where Test cricket is decline, which leads us to 4 -5 teams max playing test cricket.

As with ODI cricket, its value isn't lost, MMHS made a great post in this thread about ODI needing its character. And my main point is, ODI needs to have a purpose all the time (meaning in every ODI), if it is to survive: Therefore, have a World ODI Championship, with semi final and final play-offs, relegation and other things too, while make the T20WC the only world cup cricket has (and that will be every 4 years).

But anyways, we carry on with our lives
 
Bilal Ahmad15 said:
Well said, and so if ODI is overall boring to watch, from this we can conclude that Test cricket is a waste in either most, if not all aspects (time, money etc.) In my other post in this thread, I mentioned that Test cricket should be removed altogether or at the very least removed Test status form nations where Test cricket is decline, which leads us to 4 -5 teams max playing test cricket.

As with ODI cricket, its value isn't lost, MMHS made a great post in this thread about ODI needing its character. And my main point is, ODI needs to have a purpose all the time (meaning in every ODI), if it is to survive: Therefore, have a World ODI Championship, with semi final and final play-offs, relegation and other things too, while make the T20WC the only world cup cricket has (and that will be every 4 years).

But anyways, we carry on with our lives
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Test Cricket will not be removed in Australia and England. They can play Ashes every year like they did in 1800s. It will continue like that in 2200s also.
In India, Test Cricket has lost some value, where in the crowd does not come in to see but as long as India keeps smashing teams at home and keeps winning some of the tough overseas series, Test Cricket will be fine. Out of 1.4 Billion People surely there will always be 25 Million Test Cricket Purists, enough to sustain the Test Cricket in India and keep players motivated.

Test Cricket is like everyday life going on. 5 days of the game in the background, mimics the ups and downs of life while you go on with your daily mundane life. Its the ODI cricket which has been killed by constant tempering and lot of alternatives for quick consumption.
 
I really hope that ODI's a being played more and more. T20s are pulling the crowd into the stadium more then ODI's and Tests but Odi's can we exciting too so are Tests.
 
T20 world cup is far more exciting and fun compared to this. 100 overs too much and time wastage if Pakistan isn't playing.

T20 format brings lower ranked teams level closer to top teams. Greater chance of upset. Zimbabwe winning against Pakistan, NL against South Africa.
 
You cannot spend 8 hours in a stadium unless you crazily love the team you support.

By contrast, spending 3 hrs for an entertaining T20 match is fun for neutral supporters too.
 
On its last legs, bad marketing bad timing most of the countries playing in the World Cup for cricket still have rugby teams why did they schedule same time as rugby wrld cup.
 
Energy said:
You cannot spend 8 hours in a stadium unless you crazily love the team you support.

By contrast, spending 3 hrs for an entertaining T20 match is fun for neutral supporters too.
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even 8 hours sitting in front of tv is an unrealistic expectation to have for majority of fans
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
Test Cricket will not be removed in Australia and England. They can play Ashes every year like they did in 1800s. It will continue like that in 2200s also.
In India, Test Cricket has lost some value, where in the crowd does not come in to see but as long as India keeps smashing teams at home and keeps winning some of the tough overseas series, Test Cricket will be fine. Out of 1.4 Billion People surely there will always be 25 Million Test Cricket Purists, enough to sustain the Test Cricket in India and keep players motivated.

Test Cricket is like everyday life going on. 5 days of the game in the background, mimics the ups and downs of life while you go on with your daily mundane life. Its the ODI cricket which has been killed by constant tempering and lot of alternatives for quick consumption.
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True, this along with some other reasons is why perhaps they really should reduce number of teams with Test Status, and only keep Test Status to nations where Test cricket is somewhat reasoanbly popular. So that removes West Indies, Ireland, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka I think from test cricket forever.

A WTC with the other remaining 5 nations will be mean almost every test match should be a thriller
 
T20 needs to be kept limited to T20 leagues and T20 WCs. Can have 1 off T20Is in bilateral series like they used to

Tests have been saved by WTC and in India, Australia and England Tests are growing and WTC has meant other countries also have Tests relevant

To save ODIs, need ODI Super League again. Have about 15-16 teams with all 12 full members + some top Associates like Scotland, Netherlands, Nepal, Namibia. Keep the likes of UAE, Oman, USA, etc away as they are expat based and won't get fans and such countries can play ODIs in League 2. Also have more tri-series and multi-nation tournaments. CT and Asia cups should be bigger and should have Euro cup too

Have windows for T20 leagues. April-May window where IPL and PSL are played and a Nov-Dec window where BBL, SA20, BPL, etc are played. Hundred, LPL and CPL can get played in August but that time international cricket will be on too. Windows for T20 leagues will mean a cricketer can play 3 T20 leagues at most and with 4 months dedicated to T20 leagues, the remaining 8 months can be used to play cricket in a traditional way with Tests and ODIs
 
Bilal Ahmad15 said:
True, this along with some other reasons is why perhaps they really should reduce number of teams with Test Status, and only keep Test Status to nations where Test cricket is somewhat reasoanbly popular. So that removes West Indies, Ireland, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka I think from test cricket forever.

A WTC with the other remaining 5 nations will be mean almost every test match should be a thriller
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South Africa and New Zealand fall in same category as Pakistan. Nonsense suggestion
 
SpiritOf1903 said:
South Africa and New Zealand fall in same category as Pakistan. Nonsense suggestion
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Popularity and interest amongst fans of South Africa and New Zealand still looks decent to me. So they would But at the same time Ive heard New Zealand has faced financial loss from test cricket the same way Pakistan, West Indie etc. have.

But if South Africa and New Zealand do fall in the same category then reduce to India, England, Australia, simple
 
Bilal Ahmad15 said:
Popularity and interest amongst fans of South Africa and New Zealand still looks decent to me. So they would But at the same time Ive heard New Zealand has faced financial loss from test cricket the same way Pakistan, West Indie etc. have.

But if South Africa and New Zealand do fall in the same category then reduce to India, England, Australia, simple
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South Africa and New Zealand have literally cut their Tests to the least you possibly can without officially withdrawing
 
I hope this is not the last. ODI world cup winners are still considered as true champions, whereas T20 world cup still gives an impression of pajama cricket where teams like West Indies emerges as winners twice.
 
You listen to any of the greats or random ex-players talk and it's the ODI WC that matters. I remember Lara once saying he'd exchange his world records for a WC win.
 
Jasprit Bumrah was asked the following question by a reporter after India vs Afghanistan match.

Question:
"People's interest in ODI cricket is fading out and all. So, do you think that this World Cup can revive or reignite that interest?"

Jasprit Bumrah Answer:
"That depends on the interest because maybe the longer game is sometimes difficult for people to watch and keep a tab on. But at the end of the day, I come from a generation which loves cricket. I watched Test Match and that was my favourite format. So, I probably would not be able to relate to that because I love watching the game. I love watching the longest format of the game. So yeah, probably you'll have to ask a person who's a little younger than me."
 
I'm a kid from 2000's, I'm gen Z and I love odi, it's my favourite format. It's here to stay broskie.
 
Sachin Tendulkar suggesting that ODIs should be 4 lots of 25 innings.

One team bats for 25 overs, then the other, then the first team bats again, followed by the second team again.

He thinks it would negate the advantage of the toss and conditions.
 
Just bring reverse swing into the game by only allowing one ball to be used the entire innings. Also allow 3 bouncers in the over.

This will be enough to give some balance between bat and ball.
 
AAli98 said:
10 games so far not 1 close game.. teams just going through the motions!!
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You waiting for some last ball six type of match and that's what you call a close match ? SL Pakistan match was a classical close game, cant get any better than one team chasing after being in huge trouble.
 
When Dutch are beating SA one sided doubt if 1 game will go to final over.

The Pak SL game was done with 2/3 overs to spare.
 
Well these mickey mouse boundaries and mocking the fielders in circle is not helping ODI, let's be honest 380 v 380 is not ODI cricket there has to be balance between bat and ball
 
Kianig89 said:
Well these mickey mouse boundaries and mocking the fielders in circle is not helping ODI, let's be honest 380 v 380 is not ODI cricket there has to be balance between bat and ball
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Yeah miss the days when 250-280 was competitive, nowadays it's very chaseable
 
I don't think it will be. Although the games need to be played in conditions providing with good balance between bat and bowl.
 
As in everything in world cricket it will depend on what India and to a lesser extent, Australia and England want.
I am not sure whether India will support it, certainly compared to T20, especially as calendars are compressed.

The Indian greats like Kohli, Tendulkar prioirtised Test cricket — Kohli has spoken eloquently of trying to trying to see himself in the line of Indian legends like Hazare, Merchant, Gavaskar, Tendulkar etc and that Test cricket was the format in which that was judged.

50 over bilateral series are disappearing, which will lead to a diminution of the standard of 50 over cricket.
The World Cup will then be a bit a bit odd to be honest.

Ultimately, we will have T20 and Test cricket, with the latter only played by India, Aus and England.
Lesser nations, like Pakistan sadly, will stick to T20.
 
After the final we have in 2019 which rejuvenated cricket I'm not sure we will be able to get rid of 50 over odds
There have been worse tournaments with Kenya in the semi finals etc and Australia dominating World cricket etc
This is a much more testing tournament for players who survive in the t20 tournament by playing darts for 4 overs
And also batsmen who score 50 runs in 10 pvers and their job is done for the day

Odis are here to stay although a little tweaking wouldn't go amiss
 
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My final post on this topic. Even ICC's own research in 2018 shows that interest in formats is

T20I's - 92 %
ODI's - 88 %
Tests - 70% ( highest in England - 86%)

ODI's have been purposely marginalised to accommodate WTC. That's all there is to it.

Apart from being a seriously loss-making format, it has the least interest among cricket fans.

Basically, the WTC was started as an excuse to help support Test cricket and the resulting shrinking space for ODI's has been used to justify an attempt to cull the ODI format.

It's a circular argument. But since a respected figure like Athers is saying this....
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Ide be curious to deep dive this and redo this analysis.
These numbers make no sense! The following for T20 cricket is likely 10x that of test cricket today
 
It is a great format and shouldn't die.

Alag baat, we stuck royally in this.
 
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Saj said:
Sachin Tendulkar suggesting that ODIs should be 4 lots of 25 innings.

One team bats for 25 overs, then the other, then the first team bats again, followed by the second team again.

He thinks it would negate the advantage of the toss and conditions.
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Mam- sachin is odi great but he should never coach captain or commentate ever. He comes up with these irrational observations and suggestion. No wonder he was a horrible captain and ipl coach. He's a mentor in ipl whatever that means - probably the best position for him!
 
gibsyhesperis said:
As in everything in world cricket it will depend on what India and to a lesser extent, Australia and England want.
I am not sure whether India will support it, certainly compared to T20, especially as calendars are compressed.

The Indian greats like Kohli, Tendulkar prioirtised Test cricket — Kohli has spoken eloquently of trying to trying to see himself in the line of Indian legends like Hazare, Merchant, Gavaskar, Tendulkar etc and that Test cricket was the format in which that was judged.

50 over bilateral series are disappearing, which will lead to a diminution of the standard of 50 over cricket.
The World Cup will then be a bit a bit odd to be honest.

Ultimately, we will have T20 and Test cricket, with the latter only played by India, Aus and England.
Lesser nations, like Pakistan sadly, will stick to T20.
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FWIW this is the truth though. The game will go the direction that Ind goes. And T20 is the priority for Ind public now the current generation and future gen as well. T20 is the future no matter what ones sentiments are. The game has to be financially stable and successful and T20 is the way to do it. Plus easier to spread it. Even my generation which grew up watching tests and odis- lot of my friends prefer t20 and attend t20 games worldwide when ind is playing. They are not interested in attending odis. Odis are a dying breed and so be it. Even tests should be played only amongst ind aus eng- as it's not profitable for other countries.
 
Does ODI Cricket Need 'Changes'? Ravi Shastri Comes Up With Extreme Suggestion

Ravi Shastri had an interesting suggestion in order to make ODI cricket more attractive to the spectators.

The popularity of ODI cricket has somewhat dwindled in the recent past with rumours surfacing about the next edition of Champions Trophy 2025 possibly becoming a T20 competition in order to attract more spectators. Even the next Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) President Mark Nicholas floated an idea that ODI cricket can be restricted to just the World Cups in the near future. Former Indian cricket team head coach Ravi Shastri was asked about the format and he believes that major changes are needed.

“It (One-day format) has to evolve, changes have to be made,” Shastri said on Club Prairie Firewhile responding to a question from legendary Australian cricket team wicket-keeper batter Adam Gilchrist.

“When we (India) won the world cup in 1983, it was a 60 overs (per side) game. It changed to 50 overs (per side). You've got to evolve with the time. The attention time of a spectator is diminishing,” he added.

Shastri went on to suggest that the attention span of the modern spectators have grown shorter and as a result, a 40-over match can end up boosting the enthusiasm around the format.

“The way forward would be a 40-over game which would still keep the one-day format on par with the other formats. I see it with the crowd. They wait to see what happens at the toss,” he suggested and added, “If their (a fan's) favourite team is batting, they will rush to the ground, will watch 10 or 15 overs of the second innings and they're off. If it's the other way around – India batting second, it's hot. I am going to ground at 5 o'clock to see the last 10-12 overs of the first innings and then I want to see my team bat.”



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This was by far the worst World Cup I have ever seen and it might have finished ODI cricket for good. Rather than keeping three formats alive I think something that can be considered is having just one limited-overs format where the games are 30 overs each innings. You retain elements of both ODIs and T20s and lessen the schedule burden.
 
Dios said:
This was by far the worst World Cup I have ever seen and it might have finished ODI cricket for good. Rather than keeping three formats alive I think something that can be considered is having just one limited-overs format where the games are 30 overs each innings. You retain elements of both ODIs and T20s and lessen the schedule burden.
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It has been average.

I have seen worse (2007 and 2015).
 
Dios said:
This was by far the worst World Cup I have ever seen and it might have finished ODI cricket for good. Rather than keeping three formats alive I think something that can be considered is having just one limited-overs format where the games are 30 overs each innings. You retain elements of both ODIs and T20s and lessen the schedule burden.
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Bring in a 30 over format and get rid of 20 over and 50 over format? That's not going to happen ever!
 
40 overs would be more amusement, why not just Scrap the ODIs nobody can catch Kohli there won't any bowler who has 3000+ ODI wickets come 2027
 
ODIs are dying which is unfortunate cause I enjoy them more than T20s, but at this point everyone recognizes it. Cricket has too many formats, too many leagues, and too many tournaments right now. For trophies to mean something again, we can’t have either a T20 WC, ODI WC, or Champion’s Trophy every single year. Either the T20 WC or ODI WC will definitely be gone soon.
 
Actually SA vs Australia semi final received glowing tribute from all sundries. Everyone was showering praises on this format because of what it can give us. Here is the hint or open secret. Make the balance between bat and ball, this format will thrive even more. Sure have your sixes and fours in some matches. But 50% of the matches should be like this. Every ball should be an event even without a run.
 
Here is my suggestion for the future of ODIs :
40 over games
One Pink ball per innings

This will ensure shorter game times and also restore the balance between bat and ball
 
I invited some friends over to my home for the final match day.
Most of them turned it down by saying had it been a T20, yeah why not. But who is gonna sit and watch a match for an entire day. thing is these guys are all Indians.
Seems very few of us left who love ODI’s
 
OMB said:
I invited some friends over to my home for the final match day.
Most of them turned it down by saying had it been a T20, yeah why not. But who is gonna sit and watch a match for an entire day. thing is these guys are all Indians.
Seems very few of us left who love ODI’s
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Purely anecdotal. Every cricket fan that I know love this format. Test matches go for 5 days. People still follow it if not watch it.
 
ODI Format has to stay. The ICC T-20 WC needs to take place after every 4 years so that the winning team can enjoy it longer. The ICC needs to encourage more Multi nation tournaments in India, Pakistan, South Africa, England, Australia so that multiple teams can play against each other in different conditions.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Purely anecdotal. Every cricket fan that I know love this format. Test matches go for 5 days. People still follow it if not watch it.
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It is what it is. I did mention Sit and watch is the issue. Not sure following an ODI like we do for a Test match will save the ODI from going downhill.

There is a good reason all India matches are scheduled on Sundays so that people sit and watch.
 
Need to do more bilateral and tri series like in the past

Odis should stay it's the best format for me still
 
ODI is the best format to assess the best team so in my opinion this tournament must take place every 2 years just like T20 world cup.
 
No chance of this being the last World Cup. It's done huge numbers for broadcasters and the ICC.

Test matches will feel the heat more than anything else.

No one can save Tests now
 
Nikhil_cric said:
No chance of this being the last World Cup. It's done huge numbers for broadcasters and the ICC.

Test matches will feel the heat more than anything else.

No one can save Tests now
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Test cricket is the lifeline of England Cricket and Australia Cricket
 
FearlessRoar said:
Test cricket is the lifeline of England Cricket and Australia Cricket
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They'll have to be content only with the Ashes, then. It's either dead or dying everywhere else.

Every year that is not the Ashes will be terrible even for those teams and their fans .
 
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