Will you as a citizen of the UK or Commonwealth be take the pledge of allegiance to the King?

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The details of this as below.

Question for you as a citizen of the UK or Commonwealth - will you be swearing allegiance to the King come Saturday, 6th of May?

If not, why not?
If yes, what drives your decision.

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The public will be given an active role in the Coronation ceremony for the first time, with people around the world set to be asked to cry out and swear allegiance to the King.

BBC

 

[Technics 1210]

Anyone who seeks UK citizenship must swear allegiance to the King anyway, as part of the naturalisation process.

As a born and bred UK citizen, no, I will not be swearing allegiance, even on the day of the coronation.

 

[MenInG]

Anyone who seeks UK citizenship must swear allegiance to the King anyway, as part of the naturalisation process.

As a born and bred UK citizen, no, I will not be swearing allegiance, even on the day of the coronation.

Agreed.

Was referring to this occasion.

Please add your vote to the poll.

 

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Piers Morgan gives his uncensored opinions on the invitation for the public to pledge an oath of allegiance to King Charles III.

The request has received a backlash as the pledge of allegiance includes the King's 'heirs and successors' - which means controversial members of the Royal Family such as Prince Harry and Prince Andrew would be included.

Piers believes that this was a 'misstep' and has given anti-monarchists more ammunition to blast the coronation. He also adds he "would rather be garrotted than swear my allegiance to either Harry or Andrew".

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[James]

Really odd is this.

Taking an oath to the television.

I won’t be doing it…

 

[MenInG]

A cabinet minister has said he “hopes people do” swear the proposed oath to the king on the day of his coronation, as republicans described it as “an offensive and tone-deaf gesture that holds the people in contempt”.

The transport secretary, Mark Harper, said he would be swearing the oath, to be known as a “homage of the people” and pointed out that MPs already “pledge allegiance to his majesty” on taking their seats.

He also told Sky’s Sophy Ridge on Sunday that the coronation would be a “fantastic opportunity” and “great showcase for Britain around the world”.

Shabana Mahmood, the Labour elections campaign chief, said it was a “lovely idea to involve the people” and that the oath was a “lovely touch”.

She said she, as a Muslim MP, had already sworn allegiance to the king on the Qur’an and would be “joining in at the weekend as well”.

However, other politicians were more sceptical, including the Green co-leader Adrian Ramsay, who said of the coronation: “I will watch it because it’s a key time for the nation but a pledge is somewhat outdated.”

Jenny Jones, a Green peer, also cast doubt on the idea of asking the public to swear allegiance to King Charles and suggested the £100m-plus bill for the coronation would be better spent on paying nurses. “Asking us to chant our allegiance does seem an odd request when so many of us think that the monarchy is an outdated institution that needs drastic reform. And I really think that the king is rich enough to pay for his own coronation, not us taxpayers,” she said.

The Labour MP Clive Lewis said of the proposed oath: “The Church of England exhorts lots of things. Some of them on compassion in politics and wider society and others on the dangers of inequality and greed. These statements I agree with. I can also see how they connect with the broader teachings of Christian teaching. But this is the ‘high church’ making this pronouncement and I think it’s one that will either be unwelcome or ignored by many.

“As Jesus is said to have said: ‘Give unto Caesar what is his.’ And this ain’t it.”

Republic, the anti-monarchist organisation protesting against the coronation, said: “Asking people to swear allegiance to Charles and his heirs means swearing allegiance to Andrew. In a democracy it is the head of state who should swear allegiance to us. This is an offensive and tone-deaf gesture that holds the people in contempt.”

The new tradition, revealed on Sunday, will involve those watching the coronation on television, online and in parks and pubs being encouraged to swear aloud their allegiance to the monarch in a “chorus of millions of voices”.

They will be invited to say the words: “I swear that I will pay true allegiance to your majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.” The declaration replaces the traditional homage of peers.

Lambeth Palace insisted the idea that members of the general public would pledge allegiance to the king was an invitation, not an expectation.

Amid derision at the plan, the London headquarters of the archbishop of Canterbury said it was an offer to those who wanted to join in the words being spoken at the coronation service at Westminster Abbey.

Lambeth Palace said that while some people would want to say all the words out loud, some might only want to say “God save the King” at the end, and others might want it to be a moment of private reflection. People should decide for themselves, the palace said.

The archbishop’s office said it was intended to be a moment of joy and celebration, both in the abbey and in homes across the country and beyond.

The coronation liturgy, published this weekend, was drawn up by Lambeth Palace in close consultation with the king. The archbishop, Justin Welby, said the liturgy’s new elements “reflect the diversity of our contemporary society”.

Guardian

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No one really believes in Kings or Queens these days. It's fine for ceremony, or to make TV series like Game of Thrones, but would be only a very tiny minority of Brits who actually would mean anything by swearing allegiance.

 

[Suleiman]

aaand this is why America exists

 

[KingKhanWC]

aaand this is why America exists

Tbf most Americans are more patriotic and blindly fly the American flag, their allegiance comes naturally.

Imo this is for future wars/conflicts, bow down to the Royals who wont be fighting on the front lines.

As Piers Morgan points out, the allegiance isnt just for Charlie boy but his heirs, meaning you will be pledging allegiance through your TV for a suspected paedophile and the other degenerate fools who were born into wealth.

 

[MenInG]

To be clear, this is just philosophical debate.

As a subject of the crown, and by holding a UK passport, you have already, implicitly, taken that oath?

 

[KingKhanWC]

To be clear, this is just philosophical debate.

As a subject of the crown, and by holding a UK passport, you have already, implicitly, taken that oath?

There is no such oath in the passport.

You are allowed to be anti-monarchy and pro-republican.

To stand up and say those words on TV should be looked into by the dept of mental health. The Royals realise their popularity is falling rapidly esp after the Queens death. Its just an idea to revive it somehow and also prepare people for what's to come.

It seems people living outside of the UK are more aware of this than those who live here.

 

[shaz619]

Stone Cold Salute from me

 

[FreakCricket]

Tbf most Americans are more patriotic and blindly fly the American flag, their allegiance comes naturally.

Imo this is for future wars/conflicts, bow down to the Royals who wont be fighting on the front lines.

As Piers Morgan points out, the allegiance isnt just for Charlie boy but his heirs, meaning you will be pledging allegiance through your TV for a suspected paedophile and the other degenerate fools who were born into wealth.

Its just the white nationalists most don't even care about patriotism unlike UK and Brexit.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Its just the white nationalists most don't even care about patriotism unlike UK and Brexit.

Yanks are far more patriotic, the American flag, the national anthem, support for wars abroad. So many Americans have the flag outside their house or somewhere inside, hardly anyone flys the Union Jack here.

 

[Suleiman]

Yanks are far more patriotic, the American flag, the national anthem, support for wars abroad. So many Americans have the flag outside their house or somewhere inside, hardly anyone flys the Union Jack here.

Thats mostly just in the Deep South. The liberal states don’t do that at all. If anything, the ultra liberal states are increasingly critical of the US and what it stands for… ofc they go overboard in defiance in the name of freedom like kneeling during national anthems in protest (you’re supposed to stand by social norms)

Hard to reduce a country as big as the US to one plain Jane ideology. It’s essentially a continent with each state more or less having its own ideology and philosophy like a country.

Good amount of Texans for eg, are only patriotic for Texas. Some even wanted to secede from the US lol.

Either way, yes, blind patriotism is just as stupid as this, though to a slightly lesser extent.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yanks are far more patriotic, the American flag, the national anthem, support for wars abroad. So many Americans have the flag outside their house or somewhere inside, hardly anyone flys the Union Jack here.

I think they need to showcase their patriotism more publicly as it's a fake nation reallly, a land made up of immigrants from other countries. Their history is really a mixture of a hotch potch of cultures from wherever those immigrants landed, so you can understand why they want to create some form of identity with their flag waving and such.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Thats mostly just in the Deep South. The liberal states don’t do that at all. If anything, the ultra liberal states are increasingly critical of the US and what it stands for… ofc they go overboard in defiance in the name of freedom like kneeling during national anthems in protest (you’re supposed to stand by social norms)

Hard to reduce a country as big as the US to one plain Jane ideology. It’s essentially a continent with each state more or less having its own ideology and philosophy like a country.

Good amount of Texans for eg, are only patriotic for Texas. Some even wanted to secede from the US lol.

Either way, yes, blind patriotism is just as stupid as this, though to a slightly lesser extent.

Interesting, thanks. I think America will eventually break up into smaller nations, Texas will be separated soon.

I think they need to showcase their patriotism more publicly as it's a fake nation reallly, a land made up of immigrants from other countries. Their history is really a mixture of a hotch potch of cultures from wherever those immigrants landed, so you can understand why they want to create some form of identity with their flag waving and such.

Yes, it seems they band together under the flag and it also makes them feel superiour as they are daily lied to , America is the greatest nation etc.

Considering the Royals/British Empire are hated by Americans, why are so many so in love with the British Royal Family?

Americans in UK will defo be pledging their allegiance.

 

[MenInG]

So the day is today - all set for some?

 

[Rajdeep]

Not many in UK cares about monarchy anymore. The youth especially are very anti-monarch. The only good thing about this coronation is it gave an extra bank holiday this Monday

 

[Technics 1210]

Watching the coronation live. I think anyone who lives in the UK should at the very least bear witness to history in the making, especially those who immigrated to the UK for a better life with an eye on a British Passport issued by His Majesty the King - cos you'll be swearing alligience to the king anyway when naturalised.

 

[Rajdeep]

The police have arrested six organisers of an anti-monarchy protest at the coronation, including the head of Republic, the UK's leading republican movement

[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] - what is going on? I thought these things only happens in 3rd world country like India where as UK is flag bearer in freedom of speech.

 

[shaz619]

Harry is there like, hmmm what can I use for the next season of my netflix show

 

[shaz619]

The police have arrested six organisers of an anti-monarchy protest at the coronation, including the head of Republic, the UK's leading republican movement

[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] - what is going on? I thought these things only happens in 3rd world country like India where as UK is flag bearer in freedom of speech.

Why are Indians so desperate to work here then and for folk like me?

I don’t think it’s just to get a sight of the Kohinoor

 

[Technics 1210]

Kate looking beautiful as ever!

 

[bala977]

Why is Shabaz Sharif attending the coronation? Doesn’t he have a country to run, focus on inflation etc.?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The police have arrested six organisers of an anti-monarchy protest at the coronation, including the head of Republic, the UK's leading republican movement

[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] - what is going on? I thought these things only happens in 3rd world country like India where as UK is flag bearer in freedom of speech.

Why are you asking me when you live here as well? I'll assume it must be because you are a recent immigrant on a work visa so let me explain.

Free speech is allowed in the UK to a point. I would assume these protestors have been arrested because they were causing or planning on causing disruption to the coronation ceremony.

 

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London police criticised over protester arrests

Police in London have faced criticism from rights groups and protesters over arrests of anti-monarchy demonstrators ahead of the Coronation.

Police have confirmed multiple arrests, saying people were being held on suspicion of breaching the peace, conspiracy to cause public nuisance and possessing articles to cause criminal damage.

Human Rights Watch described it as "something you would expect to see in Moscow, not London", while another human rights group, Liberty, said the arrests set a dangerous precedent for the UK as a democratic nation.

One demonstrator, Ken Ritchie, described the arrests as "outrageous".

"I just feel that they have scored an own goal here. Our protest is going to be much more visible because they attempt to actually clamp down on what are our rights to actually protest," he said.

BBC

 

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Police arrest 52 including republicans during King Charles' coronation

LONDON, May 6 (Reuters) - Police arrested the leader of the anti-monarchy group Republic and 51 others at King Charles' coronation on Saturday, with officers saying their duty to prevent disruption outweighed the right to protest.

Hundreds of yellow-clad demonstrators gathered among the 10-deep crowds lining the procession route in central London to stand out from those clad in red, white and blue, and to hold up signs saying "Not My King".

The Republic campaign group said its leader Graham Smith had been detained before the procession began and photos circulated on social media showing police officers seizing the demonstrators' placards.

"We absolutely understand public concern following the arrests we made this morning," Commander Karen Findlay of the London Metropolitan police said in a statement.

"Over the past 24 hours there has been a significant police operation after we received information protesters were determined to disrupt the Coronation procession."

Republic had vowed to mount the biggest protest against a British monarch in modern history and protesters booed as King Charles and Queen Camilla made their way to Westminster Abbey, and as the service was relayed publicly on large speakers.

"It is disgusting and massively over the top," said Kevin John, 57, a salesman from Devon who was among the protesters.

"It is also hugely counterproductive by the police because all it has done is create a massive amount of publicity for us. It is completely crazy."

Police did not confirm Smith's arrest. They said they had acted because they believed protesters would seek to deface public monuments with paint and disrupt "official movements".

"All of these people remain in custody," Findlay said.

Protests also took place in Glasgow in Scotland and Cardiff in Wales, with participants holding up signs saying: "Abolish the monarchy, feed the people." On social media, many contrasted the cost of living crisis in Britain with the pomp and pageantry on display at the coronation.

Although the protesters were in a minority compared with the tens of thousands gathered on London’s streets to support the king, polls suggest support for the monarchy is declining and is weakest among young people.

With the crown passing from Queen Elizabeth to her less popular son, republican activists hope Charles will be the last British monarch to be crowned.

"It has a hereditary billionaire individual born into wealth and privilege who basically symbolises the inequality of wealth and power in our society," said Clive Lewis, an opposition Labour Party lawmaker.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/po...ers-ahead-king-charles-coronation-2023-05-06/

 

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MPs and human rights groups have criticised the Metropolitan Police after 52 people were arrested in London on the day of the Coronation.

Among those held was the head of the group Republic, which wants to scrap the monarchy and elect a head of state.

Graham Smith, who was released on Saturday evening after 16 hours in custody, said there was "no longer a right to peaceful protest in the UK".

Scotland Yard said it had acted "in a proportionate manner".

Commander Karen Findlay defended her officers' response to protests during the day of the Coronation, saying they had a duty to intervene "when protest becomes criminal and may cause serious disruption".

She added that the Coronation was a "once in a generation event and that is a key consideration in our assessment".

Hundreds of protesters gathered in the rain in central London on Saturday, with chants including "down with the Crown", "don't talk to the police" and "get a real job".

Other protests were organised in Cardiff, Glasgow and Edinburgh. No arrests were reported outside London.

BBC

 

[KingKhanWC]

Thats mostly just in the Deep South. The liberal states don’t do that at all. If anything, the ultra liberal states are increasingly critical of the US and what it stands for… ofc they go overboard in defiance in the name of freedom like kneeling during national anthems in protest (you’re supposed to stand by social norms)

Hard to reduce a country as big as the US to one plain Jane ideology. It’s essentially a continent with each state more or less having its own ideology and philosophy like a country.

Good amount of Texans for eg, are only patriotic for Texas. Some even wanted to secede from the US lol.

Either way, yes, blind patriotism is just as stupid as this, though to a slightly lesser extent.

I was watching a debate. A point was made in the USA, kids in school pledge allegiance to the flag. Is this true?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why are you asking me when you live here as well? I'll assume it must be because you are a recent immigrant on a work visa so let me explain.

Free speech is allowed in the UK to a point. I would assume these protestors have been arrested because they were causing or planning on causing disruption to the coronation ceremony.

Protest powers have changed. The days of freedom to protest on anything openly are long gone.

The Met also confirmed it had used a controversial new law to detain the group.

"We regret that those six people arrested were unable to join the wider group of protesters in Trafalgar Square and elsewhere on the procession route," a statement continued.

Now it has said all six people have had their bail cancelled and confirmed no further action will be taken.

Mr Smith said earlier on Monday that he had spent months consulting with officers about his group's protest plans, and said in a statement on Twitter that his group would be "speaking to lawyers about taking legal action".

He said he had been held for 16 hours on the morning of the Coronation after being stopped by officers who suspected him and group members of carrying "lock on" devices to tie themselves to inanimate objects.

"They also said they had intelligence, which is untrue," h

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65527007

Met police will be sued for this. There was no need for the arrests but remember the judges, cops and others pledge their allegiance when entering the job so will side with the Royals esp if they want MBE's etc?

 

[Gilly]

Protest powers have changed. The days of freedom to protest on anything openly are long gone.

Powers have changed and it is about time, people still have the right to protest but it has to be done within reason. If these protestors want to remove the monarchy they have every right to protest and lobby for their beliefs. What they don't have the right to do is prevent others who do want the monarchy from being able to enjoy the coronation. I don't really recognize the monarchy but I'm not going to harass and destroy the enjoyment of others simply because I can. There are plenty of people that protest and do it in a very respectable way.

 

[MenInG]

A government minister has accused some anti-monarchy protesters of planning to cause "dangerous" disruption during the coronation, despite the Metropolitan Police expressing "regret" for arresting them.

The force faced a backlash after detaining a number of members of the campaign group Republic over the weekend, and has now said their investigation was unable to prove intent to disrupt the event.

But health minister Neil O'Brien appeared to stand by the arrests, despite the Met's statement, saying it seemed "pretty clear some of the people there were going to cause really serious and dangerous and stupid disruption".

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He told Sky News that he didn't have "any objection to peaceful protests" and "in some cases [the force] might have been wrong".

But he also argued "in some cases, they did the right thing", as it was "also a question of what [protesters] were going to do".

The minister added: "What [the police] have to do is to stop people doing things that are potentially really dangerous.

"If someone would come off a horse and been trampled by all those horses, they could have lost their life.

"And the police have got to balance that against, you know, you can't always prove before someone does something terrible that they are about to disrupt an event."

Mr O'Brien continued: "Mistakes are sometimes made [but] they have got to take a judgement on keeping the public order and keeping an important national event going without people doing things that could have been really dangerous."

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