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Will you take the vaccine for Covid-19?


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If the C19 vaccine was effective, the boosters were effective, the majority of the population vaccinated, yada yada yada - then why on earth would governments consider/impose lockdowns upon a new variant? Fact - they will only consider if previous vaccines are useless vs. new variants and will forever be.
 
If the C19 vaccine was effective, the boosters were effective, the majority of the population vaccinated, yada yada yada - then why on earth would governments consider/impose lockdowns upon a new variant? Fact - they will only consider if previous vaccines are useless vs. new variants and will forever be.

You are making it sound like a sinister agenda is at play here when the authorities have openly admitted that Pfizer vaccine only has roughly 30% efficacy rate against Omnicron. Earlier there was not enough data for them make a statement. Moderna offers better protections than Pfzier against Omnicron.

And why does any of this surprise anyONE? Science is not always fool proof and you will continue to update your vaccination just like we get flu shots every year. I dont understand why such a big deal is being made out of covid!
 
The Flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/change.htm

You need to do a bit more reading sunshine.

That article doesn’t actually state that flu mutates because of vaccines. It evolves like any other life form. Vaccines increase the rate that we develop immunity personally and as a population. As we become immune, one strain is killed off and another emerges by the process of natural selection.
 
That article doesn’t actually state that flu mutates because of vaccines. It evolves like any other life form. Vaccines increase the rate that we develop immunity personally and as a population. As we become immune, one strain is killed off and another emerges by the process of natural selection.

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is basic virology genetics, which is hijacked as sinister by anti-vaxers and conspiracy theorists.

On being healthy, eating healthy, gym etc, while it is true, healthy diet will give one strong immunity against most of the virus/bacterial infections but that is not protective and will cause deaths in thousands if not millions, only vaccine prevent that number ever reaching in thousands or millions.
 
That article doesn’t actually state that flu mutates because of vaccines. It evolves like any other life form. Vaccines increase the rate that we develop immunity personally and as a population. As we become immune, one strain is killed off and another emerges by the process of natural selection.

That's one view. EAM is the other.
 
Could you expand on what EAM stands for in this case?

Let him Google it first.

That's why when Polio has survived in Pakistan I am not surprised, as we still have people holding back progress.
 
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Just got my booster a couple of minutes ago. Didn’t want to get one initially but wife insisted I get it before we travel for the holidays. Not planning to get a second booster after this. I’ve drawn my line.
 
To be honest natural immunity is good.

But not when you have a "supercilious" attitude saying "healthy will live and weak will die".

That sounds like a medieval 13th century thinking of kings who wanted only "royal blood" to carry the "royal lineage".


For Covid 19, I don't even understand what the dilemma is.

I've taken Sinopharm by force ( a watery vaccine of 2 jabs) and taken Pfizer by choice (needed to travel so sort of force majeure choice) and after 4 jabs, I could take 10 other jabs for free and not worry about my body.

Having said that, if someone is **** scared that the vaccines are going to kill everyone in 02 years, they should just avoid the jab and wait a few years till the vaccine evolves to something more stable like MMR, DPT or other childhood vaccines that do not mutate like the "common cold" virus.

If someone believes its a Western conspiracy and refuses to take the vaccine, they should also wait till it becomes inherently clear what the final evolution of vaccine is.

What I find hilarious is anti vaxxers predicting vaccinated people to start having chronic medical conditions and actually dying because of jabs and vaccinated people predicting unvaccinated people to suddenly collapse and die as a new variant comes.

It will NEVER happen like that.

Simply because the vaccines released are safe.

And the unvaccinated people will **** their pants and get vaccinated if such a terrible variant comes that starts killing all the unvaccinated people.

Which is why the original thought remains.

Let the people live as they want FOR NOW.
 
Anti-vaxers, you are literally holding the world up from moving on from this pandemic. Do your part, find another way to channel your rebellion and conspiracy theories.
 
KKWC is much cleverer and honest compared to certain others here but bro almost all patients I've seen with COVID have not been vaccinated. By the time they get to me because of COVID they need litres of oxygen just to keep them stable. Never mind at their baseline. Trust me I'm a regular guy who isn't hiding conspiracies. :D

Take care of your health. If the virus hits properly it hits them like a train and if things go awry it's very hard to see.

You are a respected poster and a proffesional.

Lets be clear, those who have been jabbed will never go against the science which is avialable now. Therefore I ignore them but you are sincere.

My reasons are simple.

1. I have no issue with anyone injecting a vaccine or class A drugs , not my body.

2. I have an issue people telling me I have to inject a vaccine to keep them safe. Its now idiotic as vaccinated trasmit and are infected too.

3. Natural immunity is 27X more effective than a vaccine ,as proven now.

4. The numbers of dead due to Covid in the UK have been falsified as now accepted by the government.

5. The restrictions are causing a mental health pandemic, job losses, suicides.

6. The vaccine can also kill even though its rare.

My health is great brother, I havent had a cold in 10 years. Im prob one of the most fittest and healthiest persons on this forum, my guess. I think I have already had it, little to no symptoms , fast recovery and better immunity than the vaccinated.

Last point, check out Gibralter 100% vaxed but lockdown.

Keep up the good work and stay healthy bro. :)
 
He didn't map it or clearly show it was not of natural origin in any way at all. He simply looked at the mapping someone else had done and claimed that because it contains small parts of the HIV genome sequence it must be man made, whilst ignoring the fact that many other naturally occuring organisms also contain small parts of the HIV genome sequence...

Thats not what he said.

There is also masses of evidence to suggest the virus came out of the Wuhan Lab. But you wont hear this on the BBC.

Believe what you wish, your life not mine :)
 
Thats not what he said.

He claimed that parts of the HIV sequence in covids sequence was highly suspect and that he'd come to the conclusion that covid was man made, most likely from scientists trying to develop a HIV vaccine. How in your view did he clearly show it was not of natural origin?
 
Anti-vaxers, you are literally holding the world up from moving on from this pandemic. Do your part, find another way to channel your rebellion and conspiracy theories.

Vaccinated people like you and me are almost as likely to spread the virus.

We are also the ones allowed to freely travel by plane, dine in, go to a cruise, attend large scale sporting events, watch a movie in a theatre, etc.

Wonder if we bear some responsibility for the omicron spread.
 
Vaccinated people like you and me are almost as likely to spread the virus.

We are also the ones allowed to freely travel by plane, dine in, go to a cruise, attend large scale sporting events, watch a movie in a theatre, etc.

Wonder if we bear some responsibility for the omicron spread.

The vaccine success will come down to Hospitalisation and death rates.

The argument at the moment is that the unvaccinated are being hospitalised and this putting a strain on the health system.
We should know the real situation in a couple of weeks
 
I took the Pfizer booster jab yesterday

Doing my bit I suppose
 
The vaccine success will come down to Hospitalisation and death rates.

The argument at the moment is that the unvaccinated are being hospitalised and this putting a strain on the health system.
We should know the real situation in a couple of weeks

Looks like the very high Omicron incidence is not translating into so many hospitalisations. We could have this thing licked at last.

Though I said that in July. Maybe Kappa or Upsilon will emerge and start killing thousands.
 
Looks like the very high Omicron incidence is not translating into so many hospitalisations. We could have this thing licked at last.

This is the thing that I keep going back to in my head. Compared with the hype around Omicron and all of the actions being taken by governments, I still haven’t seen any hard evidence that it is actually particularly dangerous.
 
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59761920

Maheta Molango, the Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) chief executive, has cautioned against an "over-simplistic" reaction to players who have opted not to be vaccinated.

The Premier League confirmed on Monday that 84% of players were on their "vaccination journey".

Molango says the PFA is trying to help players make the "right" decisions.

"As a union, there is no doubt we understand and support the vaccination rollout," Molango told BBC Sport.

"But what we have learned is that it is not as simple as saying it is only about the vaccination. That is only one piece of the puzzle."

Acknowledging that players might have "legitimate concerns" about vaccines, he added: "We have to be careful with over-simplistic assessments of situations."

The Premier League's vaccination figures are in line with comparable age groups across society in the UK.

However, there has been an argument that unvaccinated players - unable to play because they are in a 10-day isolation period that would not apply if they had been jabbed - should not be counted as a Covid absentee when it comes to ruling on postponements.

It has also been reported that unvaccinated players might be forced to travel and even train separately from their team-mates.

Last week, the Football League said 25% of its players were not intending to be vaccinated.

"Always keep in mind players are human beings," Molango added. "They are the same people that a few months ago, when I was at home and most people were at home, were told go out and play with no vaccines, that there were 'no worries, you are going to be fine'. That is the reality.

"We are trying to help the players make the right choice based on science. They need to listen to the experts but at the same time, we have to acknowledge that certain people may have legitimate concerns."

On Tuesday, Liverpool captain Jordan Henderson outlined his concerns for his fellow professionals as a congested fixture list is played out amid rapidly rising numbers of positive tests.

Both the Premier League and EFL have decided to continue their seasons, resisting the temptation to pause the campaign or take out one round of matches.

It means that some Premier League clubs will play twice in three days, while the EFL has two full rounds of matches in four days.

Molango says he agrees with Henderson's statement that "no-one really takes player welfare seriously".

"When I went to meet all the squads in the summer to understand what really mattered to them, their number one concern was fixture congestion," he said.

"The players are not avoiding reality. We all understand the importance of continuing to play. We all understand if you postpone games, time needs to be found to play them in an already congested fixture calendar. The players understand the struggles from postponing or cancelling games.

"But we would have liked to be part of the conversation, just to make sure all the angles were covered and the welfare of the players was part of that conversation.

"The players are people who have families as well, yet certain decisions are made without taking them into consideration."

There was some online criticism of Henderson's statement, comparing the situation of a highly-paid professional footballer with that of NHS workers tackling the virus.

"We are extremely proud of the NHS and people who are continuing to support all of us in a very difficult time," Molango said.

"But at the same time I am very proud to be the chief executive of a union that represents the likes of Jordan Henderson, who led the movement, with all the captains, to try to support the NHS."

In January, Henderson was made an NHS Charities Together Champion and was subsequently awarded an MBE for his efforts at raising funds for the health service.

Molango said: "I am very proud of Marcus Rashford, who used his platform to bring change and help people who were struggling to get what they deserve.

"I am proud of Harry Maguire, who has shown his commitment to his local community. I am proud of Raheem Sterling, who has been recognised by the Queen for his contribution to society.

"Life is always about being balanced and seeing the big picture. The players have shown how much they care and how much they are committed to the cause."
 
Begging people to get vaccinated.. the unvaccinated have caused a huge stress in the system, making them beg for help.

It’s the same kind of people advocating natural immunity here. They get sick and then they rush to the hospitals, the absolute height of pompousness and selfishness.
 
He claimed that parts of the HIV sequence in covids sequence was highly suspect and that he'd come to the conclusion that covid was man made, most likely from scientists trying to develop a HIV vaccine. How in your view did he clearly show it was not of natural origin?

You do realise the whole point of gain of function is so the lab virus looks like a natural virus. He has made it clear its man made, we dont need to go into the details when has confirmed this is his view.

Lets expand. What is your view of gain of function in Wuhan? How Faucis friends worked on virus to make it more infectious and the masses of evidence which point to this virus coming out of a lab? Im sure you've done extensive research into this too.

Err, yeah, we did hear that on the BBC. Do try to keep up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-57268111.amp

lol. I clearly meant this isnt huge news as it should be. Of course you will find the odd article on the BBC. Some bloke with a beard stabs someone with a dinner fork its main news daily for days. But a virus causing a worldwide pandemic which could be man made is rarely spoken about.
 
COVID-19 boosters available on Christmas Day in NHS 'jingle jab' campaign amid surging infection rates

Some 200,000 booster jab appointments are available on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and Boxing Day.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...stmas-day-in-nhs-jingle-jab-campaign-12503267

Jingle Jab .. Really taking people for mugs now.

Because they wont tell them this ...

New data from Britain suggests that booster protection against symptomatic Covid caused by the Omicron variant wanes within 10 weeks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/health/booster-protection-omicron.html
 
You do realise the whole point of gain of function is so the lab virus looks like a natural virus. He has made it clear its man made, we dont need to go into the details when has confirmed this is his view.

Again, could you show us how he has clearly proven that the virus was man made?
 
Again, could you show us how he has clearly proven that the virus was man made?

It seems likely to me on balance of probabilities.

It doesn’t matter. The monster got out, and now we have to deal with it.
 
It seems likely to me on balance of probabilities.

It doesn’t matter. The monster got out, and now we have to deal with it.

I'm not contesting that it's a possibility (although I personally disagree with the level of likelihood), just [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]'s claim that Luc Montagnier has clearly scientifically proven that it was not of natural origin.
 
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Had my booster today.

Very sore arm at the moment but other than that all ok.
 
Again, could you show us how he has clearly proven that the virus was man made?

Email or contact him. Or try reading the scientific paper by British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Sørensen.
 
Had my booster today.

Very sore arm at the moment but other than that all ok.

According to the latest research the booster only last weeks.

By summer you will be having the 4th shot in your arm.
 
Email or contact him. Or try reading the scientific paper by British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Sørensen.

Your clear proof that the virus was man made is a paper that doesn't even conclude that itself...?
 
Your clear proof that the virus was man made is a paper that doesn't even conclude that itself...?

Maybe you should stop reading. I wrote he is clear and I stated evidence not clear proof. We need a full international inedpendant investigation. They stated clearly there are sequences which coulnt have occured naturally. But please do contact them, not sure why you want me to talk on their behalf.

If you believe its natural, fine and also this isnt something I care too much about, biologicial warefare will only increase.

All I care is for my freedom not to be taken. If you're scared, dont leave home but allow others to live their lives.
 
Had my booster today.

Very sore arm at the moment but other than that all ok.

You did a great favor to yourself and people you care about, every sensible and caring person should do what you did .

Its unbelievable there still exist some idiots out there who deny the need for getting fully vaccinated.

At least in USA , its turning out to be the pandemic of the unvaccinated ones.

I hardly see anyone in hospital and almost none in ICU who is vaccinated .
 
You did a great favor to yourself and people you care about, every sensible and caring person should do what you did .

Its unbelievable there still exist some idiots out there who deny the need for getting fully vaccinated.

At least in USA , its turning out to be the pandemic of the unvaccinated ones.

I hardly see anyone in hospital and almost none in ICU who is vaccinated .

Double vaccinated are not safe from the new variant Omicron. The booster only last weeks. Its actuallly those who thinks vaccines wont trasmit or stop them being infected are the idiots.

Majority of people are vaccinated in the UK, yet infections are rising. The only people I know who have been ill recently is the double vaccinated.

Gibraltar has reached its highest ever recorded infections Dec 2021, its 100% vaccinated.

There is more to the world than your town or city in US.

You havent addressed any points but the usual rant. No wonder less and less are taking so called proffesionals seriously. Worry about yourself and not others.
 
The raw bat salad at the open market has always struck me as a poor explanation and weak cover up… my personal opinion / theory for a while now has been that the virus was in the midst of being engineered from a contained sample of the old SARS-CoV-1 strain, and was inadvertently released due to a laboratory accident. Hence we now have this unfinished project of SARS-CoV-2 which is more resilient and far more transmissible than the original strain, but still nowhere near deadly enough on a mass scale to be classed as a “plague” or be worthy of WMD status as a biological agent.
 
According to the latest research the booster only last weeks.

The current research actually indicates that the booster maintains the majority of its effectiveness against symptomatic infection after 10 weeks with the expectation that it will maintain its protection against hospitalisation even better.
 
can someone on this thread please clarify why in big events concerts etc there is a requirement to show a negative test or covid vaccine pass,

You can still catch covid even though your vaccinated, and vaccinated patients can spread covid just as fast as non vaccinated, so if i have covid i can still go into pub bar, football stadium etc as long as i flash my pass, makes me wonder if it really is the non vaccinated that are spreading this disease.
 
can someone on this thread please clarify why in big events concerts etc there is a requirement to show a negative test or covid vaccine pass,

You can still catch covid even though your vaccinated, and vaccinated patients can spread covid just as fast as non vaccinated, so if i have covid i can still go into pub bar, football stadium etc as long as i flash my pass, makes me wonder if it really is the non vaccinated that are spreading this disease.

You just mentioned negative test, so I am guessing that’s a requirement along with a vaccination record.

I think it’s safe to say if you have both, you are not infected and less likely to spread it. There is honestly no fool proof way. You can be vaccinated and there is still a chance you will get it (albeit lower) and also it won’t hurt you as bad as it would hurt an unvaccinated people.

There are no guarantees in life but vaccines and negative tests significantly decrease the odds of an outbreak.
 
You just mentioned negative test, so I am guessing that’s a requirement along with a vaccination record.

I think it’s safe to say if you have both, you are not infected and less likely to spread it. There is honestly no fool proof way. You can be vaccinated and there is still a chance you will get it (albeit lower) and also it won’t hurt you as bad as it would hurt an unvaccinated people.

There are no guarantees in life but vaccines and negative tests significantly decrease the odds of an outbreak.

In the UK its a negative test for non vaccinated, but vaccinated people do not have to prove they are covid free with a negative test, they just have to show a covid pass showing they have the vaccine and it allows them into the venue.

with covid its proven you can still catch and transmit the disease even if you are vaccinated, therefore surely it would make sense for vaccinated people also to prove their covid status? regardless of vaccine
 
In the UK its a negative test for non vaccinated, but vaccinated people do not have to prove they are covid free with a negative test, they just have to show a covid pass showing they have the vaccine and it allows them into the venue.

with covid its proven you can still catch and transmit the disease even if you are vaccinated, therefore surely it would make sense for vaccinated people also to prove their covid status? regardless of vaccine

I see your point. US travelers to Canada have to show vaccination card as well as a negative test in the last 72 hours. That would make sense to me. But I am guessing it’s a question of what’s practical or not. With the recent surge, there is a severe shortage of tests now everywhere. Maybe that has something to do with why they are not requiring it and taking a chance on the odds.
 
The current research actually indicates that the booster maintains the majority of its effectiveness against symptomatic infection after 10 weeks with the expectation that it will maintain its protection against hospitalisation even better.

Please post a link to the latest reserach.

Here is what I read earlier.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/health/booster-protection-omicron.html


can someone on this thread please clarify why in big events concerts etc there is a requirement to show a negative test or covid vaccine pass,

You can still catch covid even though your vaccinated, and vaccinated patients can spread covid just as fast as non vaccinated, so if i have covid i can still go into pub bar, football stadium etc as long as i flash my pass, makes me wonder if it really is the non vaccinated that are spreading this disease.

Its control of population or amusement.. As you say its makes no sense at all. In fact the unvaccinated being tested , showing negative are more safer to go out because the vaccinated without testing means, they could be infected and can pass it on.
 
Please post a link to the latest reserach.

Here is what I read earlier.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/health/booster-protection-omicron.html

It's quite literally the briefing the article you've linked to is using as a source: "There is evidence of waning of protection against symptomatic
disease with increasing time after dose 2, and by 10 weeks after the booster dose, with
a 15 to 25% reduction in vaccine effectiveness after 10 weeks. This waning is faster for
Omicron than for Delta infections. There are insufficient severe cases of Omicron as yet
to analyse vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation, but this is expected to be better
sustained, for both primary and booster doses."

That's a long way from "the booster only lasts weeks".
 
It's quite literally the briefing the article you've linked to is using as a source: "There is evidence of waning of protection against symptomatic
disease with increasing time after dose 2, and by 10 weeks after the booster dose, with
a 15 to 25% reduction in vaccine effectiveness after 10 weeks. This waning is faster for
Omicron than for Delta infections. There are insufficient severe cases of Omicron as yet
to analyse vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation, but this is expected to be better
sustained, for both primary and booster doses."

That's a long way from "the booster only lasts weeks".

It is weeks whether its 10 or 20 or 30. Reason its weeks imo because natural immunity last much much longer. Its 27 more effective.

But happy days for you, keep getting boosted and you'll 'stay safe'.

Be prepared for the 4th dose in 6 months or so at the latest autumn. I have no issue with anyone injecting anything, your body.
 
<b>BBC — US Supreme Court scrutinises Biden vaccine mandates.</b>

The US Supreme Court appears doubtful as to whether the Biden administration can enforce a vaccine-or-testing mandate for large private employers.

The rules apply to companies with more than 100 employees, requiring workers to get fully vaccinated against Covid or be tested weekly.

The court held a special session on Friday to consider the mandate.

The nine justices' decision could have an impact on as many as 80 million US workers.

Some justices on the conservative-dominated court signalled support for the mandate on Friday, including Sonia Sotomayor, a liberal, who suggested the rule was not a vaccine mandate but a mandate for the unvaccinated to mask and get tested.

But conservative-leaning Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch questioned whether the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (Osha) had the broad authority to implement the mandate without instructions from Congress.

"This is something the federal government has never done before," said Republican-appointed Chief Justice John Roberts, who is often viewed as a swing vote on the court.

The case pits a number of Republican-led states and a coalition of business groups against the US Department of Labor.

Critics of the vaccine mandate from the department's Osha argued in court on Friday that the federal government had overstepped its authority by issuing the sweeping mandate, which covers more than two-thirds of all US private sector employees.

Additionally, lawyers for the coalition argued that it would be expensive for businesses, particularly the cost to test workers who refuse the vaccine.

They have also warned that many workers may quit rather than comply - an argument that the government has contested.

The federal government says the mandate is needed to prevent the spread of Covid-19 and to protect workers, arguing the policies could prevent 250,000 hospitalisations and over 6,000 deaths in six months.

The government plans to begin enforcing the mandate 10 January.

The rules were blocked by a federal appeals court in November, only to be reinstated by another court in mid-December.

A second case, also being heard by the Supreme Court, concerns a vaccine policy announced in November for healthcare facilities receiving Medicaid and Medicare funding.

The legal challenges come as the country struggles with a spike in infections driven by the Omicron variant.

A November survey from the Kaiser Family Foundation, for example, found that 52% of Americans supported a federal vaccine-or-testing mandate, and 45% who were opposed.

According to Johns Hopkins University, the US is now averaging more than 600,000 new Covid-19 cases and over 1,250 deaths from the virus each day.

Currently, about 207 million Americans - some 62% of the population - are fully vaccinated.
 
Double vaccinated are not safe from the new variant Omicron. The booster only last weeks. Its actuallly those who thinks vaccines wont trasmit or stop them being infected are the idiots.

Majority of people are vaccinated in the UK, yet infections are rising. The only people I know who have been ill recently is the double vaccinated.

Your personal experience shouldn’t come in way of facts.

In US the difference is even stark and is often quoted so let’s focus on your country of UK. The data shows that unvaccinated are still most at risk

The Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC)… in Its latest report, published on 31 December, showed that the proportion of patients admitted to critical care in December 2021 with confirmed covid-19 who were unvaccinated was 61%. This proportion had previously fallen from 75% in May 2021.
 

Nice to see a doctor who hasnt sold out to the government. Embarrasing for Javid, educated like a child.
 
Your personal experience shouldn’t come in way of facts.

In US the difference is even stark and is often quoted so let’s focus on your country of UK. The data shows that unvaccinated are still most at risk

The Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC)… in Its latest report, published on 31 December, showed that the proportion of patients admitted to critical care in December 2021 with confirmed covid-19 who were unvaccinated was 61%. This proportion had previously fallen from 75% in May 2021.

UK also labels deaths as Covid , if tested positive within 30 days regardless of how ones died. ie bullet to the heart...
 
UK also labels deaths as Covid , if tested positive within 30 days regardless of how ones died. ie bullet to the heart...
Please, stop with that garbage. Where is the proof of that? Don’t make crap up now!
 
Please, stop with that garbage. Where is the proof of that? Don’t make crap up now!

Perhaps try something another than CNN>

From a mainstream news report from earlier today.

It brings the total number of deaths reported within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test to 150,057.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...-after-recorded-313-in-last-24-hours-12511664

This is common news and has been in the UK for months. If you test positive for Covid and die within 30 days, your death will be put down as covid regardless if it was a heart attack etc.

Btw arent you the chap who was ranting at others to be vaccinated or they are putting their loved ones at risk. Now you know vaccinated can also transmit, so I hope you are taking your own medicine and living on your own in a tree house.
 
Perhaps try something another than CNN>

From a mainstream news report from earlier today.



https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...-after-recorded-313-in-last-24-hours-12511664

This is common news and has been in the UK for months. If you test positive for Covid and die within 30 days, your death will be put down as covid regardless if it was a heart attack etc.

Btw arent you the chap who was ranting at others to be vaccinated or they are putting their loved ones at risk. Now you know vaccinated can also transmit, so I hope you are taking your own medicine and living on your own in a tree house.
Only an idiot would draw parallels between dying due to heart complications due to Covid and dying of a gunshot wound and being labeled as a Covid death.

It was/is well known that Delta and pre-delta variants were harsh and attacked your body and immune system by confusing it, which means any underlying conditions can be triggered and become lethal. So you might die of an underlying condition but the reason is still Covid. These numbers are perfectly justified. You make it sound like a malicious conspiracy theory by claiming even gun shot murders are chalked down to Covid.
STOP PEDDLING YOUR LIES!


It’s because of unvaxxed idiots we are still facing this disaster. I will still urge everyone here to go get vaccinated and make sure your elder immunocompromised relatives are also vaccinated and protected.

If you are not educated enough to make medical decisions or confused about such issues, it’s better to consult an expert or educated person rather than jumping to conclusions or peddling conspiracy theories from the minds of idle/jahil whack jobs.

I believe people who are peddling this nonsense are more dangerous to humanity than ever right now because they tend to multiply at an alarming rate thanks to social media.
 
Only an idiot would draw parallels between dying due to heart complications due to Covid and dying of a gunshot wound and being labeled as a Covid death.

It was/is well known that Delta and pre-delta variants were harsh and attacked your body and immune system by confusing it, which means any underlying conditions can be triggered and become lethal. So you might die of an underlying condition but the reason is still Covid. These numbers are perfectly justified. You make it sound like a malicious conspiracy theory by claiming even gun shot murders are chalked down to Covid.
STOP PEDDLING YOUR LIES!


It’s because of unvaxxed idiots we are still facing this disaster. I will still urge everyone here to go get vaccinated and make sure your elder immunocompromised relatives are also vaccinated and protected.

If you are not educated enough to make medical decisions or confused about such issues, it’s better to consult an expert or educated person rather than jumping to conclusions or peddling conspiracy theories from the minds of idle/jahil whack jobs.

I believe people who are peddling this nonsense are more dangerous to humanity than ever right now because they tend to multiply at an alarming rate thanks to social media.

Nice little rant but a poor reply as usual.

Again, in the UK if you die after testing positive within 28 days it goes down as Covid, regardless. How hard is this to understand ?lol

It doesnt really matter what you believe, because you believed non-vaccinated should stay away from their families but since you woke up and realised you transmit too. Keep safe and keep your loved ones safe as per your own highly qualified medical advice.
 
Nice little rant but a poor reply as usual.

Again, in the UK if you die after testing positive within 28 days it goes down as Covid, regardless. How hard is this to understand ?lol

It doesnt really matter what you believe, because you believed non-vaccinated should stay away from their families but since you woke up and realised you transmit too. Keep safe and keep your loved ones safe as per your own highly qualified medical advice.

Dude, you are hopeless. Can you give me any proof a case of homicide is labeled a Covid death? Any proof at all? Let’s talk about that first
 
What [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] is correct on a technical level, in the sense that the UK records its Covid deaths by including all registered deaths where the person had a positive Covid test in the previous 28 days.

Therefore, while many of the people in the UK who died with a recent positive Covid test will have either died “of” / or “with” Covid, it’s highly possible that some of the recorded “Covid deaths” will actually be someone who had a mild case or got discharged from hospital but then died from something else within a month: e.g. road traffic collision, accident, fall, killed by someone else, a different unrelated health condition, etc.
 
What [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] is correct on a technical level, in the sense that the UK records its Covid deaths by including all registered deaths where the person had a positive Covid test in the previous 28 days.

Therefore, while many of the people in the UK who died with a recent positive Covid test will have either died “of” / or “with” Covid, it’s highly possible that some of the recorded “Covid deaths” will actually be someone who had a mild case or got discharged from hospital but then died from something else within a month: e.g. road traffic collision, accident, fall, killed by someone else, a different unrelated health condition, etc.

In the US hospitals are given thousands if someone dies of Covid. Americans need to do some simple research.

There is no doubt many deaths have been listed as Covid when the actual reason or main reason was something else.

Imo Captain Tom died of Ppneumonia but was listed as Covid death.
 
Dude, you are hopeless. Can you give me any proof a case of homicide is labeled a Covid death? Any proof at all? Let’s talk about that first

Running away from the question now, are we, [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]? Would love to see for once you back yourself with proper evidence. When and where did homicide/suicide victims get labeled as Covid deaths?
 
Running away from the question now, are we, [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]? Would love to see for once you back yourself with proper evidence. When and where did homicide/suicide victims get labeled as Covid deaths?

KKWC throughout has been speaking hypothetically, and what he has said about the UK method of recording Covid deaths is correct.
 
Running away from the question now, are we, @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=43583" target="_blank">KingKhanWC</a>? Would love to see for once you back yourself with proper evidence. When and where did homicide/suicide victims get labeled as Covid deaths?

Why are you asking me when there are numerous journalists experts in the medical field who are talking of this reguarly. Try Alex Berenson See below and send him an email. I really dont care what happens in the US.

 
Why are you asking me when there are numerous journalists experts in the medical field who are talking of this reguarly.

Journalist experts?

What qualifications do they hold in medicine, virology, immunology and epidemiology?
 
Anti vaxxers have all sorts of defense for their ridiculous reluctance to get vaccinated. Inflated death toll numbers, microchips, natural immunity is better, Covid is man made, big pharma is profiting, blah blah blah…

Utter failure to look at the bigger picture
 
Journalist experts?

What qualifications do they hold in medicine, virology, immunology and epidemiology?

Why do qualifications matter when journalists expose a fraud? You don’t need to be a doctor etc to understand there is a difference between dying from Covid and dying with Covid. The data is on UK.GOV website for everyone to see along with testimonials from Doctors etc.

Qualification argument is a weak one. Who are qualified? CEO of big pharma? Dr Fauci who is captain u-turn. WHO, an organisation that has also made many u-turns. Not all doctors are in consensus over the Covid pandemic. You know why? Biology is not an science.
 
One thing that the Covid situation has exposed epistemologically about the scientific community to the layman (including me) is that much of biology as a subject of ongoing study is heavily dependent on agenda, opinion, and bias.
 
Why do qualifications matter when journalists expose a fraud? You don’t need to be a doctor etc to understand there is a difference between dying from Covid and dying with Covid. The data is on UK.GOV website for everyone to see along with testimonials from Doctors etc.

Qualification argument is a weak one. Who are qualified? CEO of big pharma? Dr Fauci who is captain u-turn. WHO, an organisation that has also made many u-turns. Not all doctors are in consensus over the Covid pandemic. You know why? Biology is not an science.

* Biology in not an exact science.
 
One thing that the Covid situation has exposed epistemologically about the scientific community to the layman (including me) is that much of biology as a subject of ongoing study is heavily dependent on agenda, opinion, and bias.

There are ZERO axioms in biology. (unlike Chemistry/Physics).

This is precisly the reason why natural immunity works for some, vaccines work for others, and in either case make no difference to those who have lost lives.
 
Journalist experts?

What qualifications do they hold in medicine, virology, immunology and epidemiology?

Sure.

What are you thoughts on the views of Dr Peter McCullough & Dr Robert Malone? Im assuming you know who they are and you know their views.
 
One thing that the Covid situation has exposed epistemologically about the scientific community to the layman (including me) is that much of biology as a subject of ongoing study is heavily dependent on agenda, opinion, and bias.
Well put.
 
Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response

European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible.

Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says

Finally some are waking up. Boosters every 6 months arent going to help.
 
Cannabis could treat and prevent emerging Covid-19 variants

Scientists have discovered a way to treat Covid-19 infections and the answer seems to be an unusual one — marijuana.

Researchers have found that cannabis contains compounds that can prevent infection from the Covid-19 virus by blocking its entry into cells.

A study by scientists found that two acids, commonly found in hemp varieties of cannabis, cannabigerolic acid (CBGA) and cannabidiolic acid (CBDA) can bind to the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19.

This binding can prevent the virus from entering cells and causing infection.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says

We need more medicines for home treatment like this.
 
One thing that the Covid situation has exposed epistemologically about the scientific community to the layman (including me) is that much of biology as a subject of ongoing study is heavily dependent on agenda, opinion, and bias.

I don’t see that. Science is effectively value-free. A piece of research or new theory is published, and immediately peer-reviewed. It becomes part of the body of understanding or is debunked. The scientific community is self-regulating.

What life science will not do is make definite statements - if you put a treatment into a population then people will react in different ways. So statistics must be applied to make predictions at certain confidence levels.

Big Pharma has an agenda, of course, but that’s a function of capitalism not science.

Politicians have their agendas too. They will put their own spin n what the scientific community advises.
 
I don’t see that. Science is effectively value-free. A piece of research or new theory is published, and immediately peer-reviewed. It becomes part of the body of understanding or is debunked. The scientific community is self-regulating.

What life science will not do is make definite statements - if you put a treatment into a population then people will react in different ways. So statistics must be applied to make predictions at certain confidence levels.

Big Pharma has an agenda, of course, but that’s a function of capitalism not science.

Politicians have their agendas too. They will put their own spin n what the scientific community advises.

Bro have you spent any time on Covid Twitter? Lol

Completely political, very little to do with science.
 
* Biology in not an exact science.

Speaking as a man with a biology degree, there is no “exact science” except pure maths. But biological science is highly predictive when properly researched.

Of course biological models will change as more data is obtained.
 
Bro have you spent any time on Covid Twitter? Lol

Completely political, very little to do with science.

No, I stick to party political Twitter.

Social media is a hate mill and it’s best to firewall oneself else you can go into some very mad and damaging places.
 
Had my flu jab yesterday. Woke up feeling mildly hung over. Be right as ninepence by the weekend.
 
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