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We're horrible in ODIs. Now bad in Tests too.

But, on a winning streak in T20s. Similarities with what West Indies has become now.

The T20 wins are not much credible because of how horrible we are in the other formats.

All of this can change if we can pull off a series win in South Africa. That will be a litmus test of where we really stand as a cricketing nation.


Winning that series is very important. It will mark the beginning of our journey out of the LOI minnows category.

Hoping the team won't disappoint.
 
Hawkeye said:
We're horrible in ODIs. Now bad in Tests too.

But, on a winning streak in T20s. Similarities with what West Indies has become now.

The T20 wins are not much credible because of how horrible we are in the other formats.

All of this can change if we can pull off a series win in South Africa. That will be a litmus test of where we really stand as a cricketing nation.


Winning that series is very important. It will mark the beginning of our journey out of the LOI minnows category.

Hoping the team won't disappoint.
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Uhmm we won 3 out of the last 5 tests and only lost 1. Just saying...
 
We drew a test series in England while the no.1 team lost 4-1 so how are we so bad in tests
 
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] I see you consistently mention West Indies as a top T20 team. They have been quite mediocre in bilateral series, despite the good performances in the WT20.

Winning the ODI series in South Africa will prove Pakistan is a decent ODI outfit, and as unpredictable as the team in the 90s. It should have no bearing on their pedigree as a T20 side, considering we have a three match T20 series in South Africa to test their mettle.
 
asadee said:
We drew a test series in England while the no.1 team lost 4-1 so how are we so bad in tests
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Usman Chadda said:
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] I see you consistently mention West Indies as a top T20 team. They have been quite mediocre in bilateral series, despite the good performances in the WT20.

Winning the ODI series in South Africa will prove Pakistan is a decent ODI outfit, and as unpredictable as the team in the 90s. It should have no bearing on their pedigree as a T20 side, considering we have a three match T20 series in South Africa to test their mettle.
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I agree that West Indies is not on the same T20I streak as Pak. But, they up their game significantly when it really matters - WT20.

Winning the South Africa series is a must if we don't want to get certified as ODI minnow. This assuming that we actually will beat NZ in the UAE conditions.

Will become a joke if we can't beat NZ even in the UAE.
 
Winning ODI series will give credibility to T20 victories? What? They are different formats.

Another pointless thread.
 
Hawkeye said:
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I agree that West Indies is not on the same T20I streak as Pak. But, they up their game significantly when it really matters - WT20.

Winning the South Africa series is a must if we don't want to get certified as ODI minnow. This assuming that we actually will beat NZ in the UAE conditions.

Will become a joke if we can't beat NZ even in the UAE.
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In that case, you should mention Lanka as a top T20 team too. They have been by far the best Asian side in WT20s, despite being bang average in bilaterals.

NZ start off as favourites for the ODI series for me, unfortunately. Pakistan has to rid themselves off the demons of Asia Cup and play really good cricket to beat this NZ side.
 
Did Misbah win the ODI series against NZ in UAE? Thats right we got whitewashed by Aus and lost to NZ 2-3. There is a reason why Pakistan was ranked no.9 in Misbah's tenure but is now no.5 in ODI's
 
Heisenberg111 said:
Did Misbah win the ODI series against NZ in UAE? Thats right we got whitewashed by Aus and lost to NZ 2-3. There is a reason why Pakistan was ranked no.9 in Misbah's tenure but is now no.5 in ODI's
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We also lost a T20 to Australia in embarrassing fashion in 2014, and surrendered a 1-0 lead to NZ in the subsequent T20 series. Tbh, the critics are actually justifying how good Pakistan is in T20s by brushing off these wins as customary :))
 
Heisenberg111 said:
Did Misbah win the ODI series against NZ in UAE? Thats right we got whitewashed by Aus and lost to NZ 2-3. There is a reason why Pakistan was ranked no.9 in Misbah's tenure but is now no.5 in ODI's
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Became the first Asian team to beat SA in SA. Nobody else has done it apart from us.

Won the Asia Cup.

Beat India in India.

Of course, we were no world beaters back then as well. And, that period has nothing to do with today's minnow status either.

Usman Chadda said:
We also lost a T20 to Australia in embarrassing fashion in 2014, and surrendered a 1-0 lead to NZ in the subsequent T20 series. Tbh, the critics are actually justifying how good Pakistan is in T20s by brushing off these wins as customary :))
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I know that we're winning T20s. It's not a bad thing. But.. it feels, you know, minnow-like when we're becoming worse after each passing day in the other formats.
 
Sachin136 said:
India won 5-1 in SA this year.
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In ODIs?

I see, wasn't aware of that. Kudos to them for becoming the 2nd team, then.

If PAK does not win that series, will be shameful for our cricketing legacy.
 
Usman Chadda said:
We also lost a T20 to Australia in embarrassing fashion in 2014, and surrendered a 1-0 lead to NZ in the subsequent T20 series. Tbh, the critics are actually justifying how good Pakistan is in T20s by brushing off these wins as customary :))
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Exactly, Mickey and Sarfraz have done well to lift Pakistan's fortunes in LOI's from the dark period of Misbah Afridi era. Misbah left us at no.9 in ODI's and Afridi left us no.7 in t20's. Contrast that with Pakistan's current ranking in both formats( no.5 and no.1) and you will understand it all. Also Pakistan's major tournament drought in ODI's after 1992 WC ended after CT win.
 
Hawkeye said:
Became the first Asian team to beat SA in SA. Nobody else has done it apart from us.

Won the Asia Cup.

Beat India in India.

Of course, we were no world beaters back then as well. And, that period has nothing to do with today's minnow status either.



I know that we're winning T20s. It's not a bad thing. But.. it feels, you know, minnow-like when we're becoming worse after each passing day in the other formats.
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All these achievements pale in comparison to CT win, which ended Pakistan's drought in ODI major tournaments.
 
Pointless thread, two different formats. Doing well in t20 doesn't mean you will do well in ODI's as well. New zealand and RSA both start as favorites against Pakistan in odi's,but Pak will be favorites against RSA in t 20 series.
 
NZ gave a tough fight to India in the ODI series in India. Pakistan shouldn't take NZ lightly in ODI format.
 
Beating NZ should, i think, be harder than beating SA. SA are without AB,Morne and Amla is in decline.
 
I think beating NZ will also be a big deal for us. They smashed us 5-0 earlier this year and in the last ODI series between these two teams in UAE, NZ won 3-2. Hopefully we can beat NZ in ODI's 2-1 or maybe even 3-0 but 2-1 seems more likely as we aren't great in ODI's.
 
Before SAF, winning series against Kiwis would be a great start. This is being a WC year, I was expecting PAK to play 5 ODIs with Kiwis instead of 3 T20s, but at least PCB hasn’t made it 2 Test, 3 ODI & 5 T20s, so kudos to them.
 
Hawkeye said:
If we have any doubts about Pak beating NZ in the UAE, then God help us.

We really shouldn't lose that series. Everything is in our favor.



Lost a series to SL out of all teams. At 'home'.
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Yeh we lost the series vs SL but we need to move on. Since then the team has done well in tests.
 
Hawkeye said:
We're horrible in ODIs. Now bad in Tests too.

But, on a winning streak in T20s. Similarities with what West Indies has become now.

The T20 wins are not much credible because of how horrible we are in the other formats.

All of this can change if we can pull off a series win in South Africa. That will be a litmus test of where we really stand as a cricketing nation.


Winning that series is very important. It will mark the beginning of our journey out of the LOI minnows category.

Hoping the team won't disappoint.
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They are credible on their own terms, which is how it should be. Because T20 is a different game from ODI, just as ODI is a different game from Tests.

We know this not least because they are most often played by different players. Yasir Shah and Abbas, our best Test bowlers, don't play T20s and ODIs. Nor should they.

What you mean to say is that T20 doesn't seem to matter as much as the other formats. About which most of us are in agreement. Still nice to win T20s of course.
 
Didn’t beating England in England not add credibility?
 
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Why will winning ODI will give credibility to T-20 wins? Both formats are different.

If you win T-20 then you win T-20. If you win ODi then you win ODI.

Yes, teams will take test and ODI wins over T-20, but I don't see how winning in ODI has anything to do with T-20.
 
So win in ODI series is needed to make T20 wins credible. For ODI wins I guess test wins would be needed to make them credible. :viru

We have won T20 series overseas as well, its the ODIs we have struggled in but its been a long time since we last played an ODI series at home, last was SRL which we won 5-0. This is just 2nd ODI series at home for Sarfaraz as captain.
 
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