With excuses running out fast, will Australia tour Pakistan soon?

[MenInG]

We've had Watson, Ben Cutting, Chris Lynn and Ben Dunk all having visited Pakistan to play cricket and with comments like these from Darren Lehmann:

“With all the safety that’s going on behind the scenes ... you would think that we’d be very close to going back"

“It’s a beautiful place to go. I really enjoyed my tour there. Their passion for the game is second to none. I can’t see why we wouldn’t go back if everything is safe, for the good of the game in their country."

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Also remarks by Wasim Khan make clear that PCB is working closely with CA to allay any fears from Australians:


“Our international cricket departments are working together on the schedule for February and March 2022,” he said.

“By then a lot of cricket will have been played in Pakistan.

“There’s been no formal announcement at the moment because there is still a lot of cricket to be played. But all things going well, we’re looking forward to welcoming them in 2022.”

“All of those things are being discussed at the moment, Ideally, as a PCB we would like them to come for an extended period of time, so we can complete both white and red-ball obligations.”

Australia last toured Pakistan in 1998 when captain Mark Taylor famously compiled 334 not out in the second Test at Peshawar, matching Don Bradman's then Australian record of.

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It seems that Australians have not that many excuses left to visit Pakistan.

So will they make a return? or are we going to see some more excuses?

 

[Hasan123]

Australia will tour Pakistan when they want too. And that is there right. We are no one to decide what is safe for another human.

Hope they tour soon .

 

[Rana]

Whenever they come, there is no need to make a big deal of the entitled cricket board making a trip due to WTC points.

 

[Zaz]

Theres no excuse for them not to come now I fully expect them to make the trip

 

[Heisenberg111]

Yes, I think they seem eager to tour going by statements of their former players like Darren Lehmann, Ian Chappell and Slater. Its been a long while since Aussies last toured, so it will be great for them to return after two decades.

 

[jino]

The chances are high India tour Pakistan before Australia comes.

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

The chances are high India tour Pakistan before Australia comes.

if pakistan comes under a military rule then sure it is a possibility

 

[Rana]

Australia will tour Pakistan when they want too. And that is there right. We are no one to decide what is safe for another human.

Hope they tour soon .

What about Bangladesh? They didn’t want to tour? What happened to their human right?

 

[Rana]

White privilege is a real thing you see. Australia will tour when they want to, that is there human right.


But Bangladesh will tour no matter what, how dare they not want to tour with their novice Test status!

 

[MenInG]

Australia will tour Pakistan when they want too. And that is there right. We are no one to decide what is safe for another human.

Hope they tour soon .

Yes its their right but that is not what I am asking. I would like to know what excuse they will make once its clear that all security assessments etc show Pakistan to be as safe as any other place in the world.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Wasim Khan is smartly pushing CA into a corner, of course if they don’t want to come no one can force them, but at least they’ll have to become extremely creative with their excuses.

Any less will look bad, exclusionary. Which maybe they don’t mind, but the building pressure will pay off in the form of projecting PCB in a good light at the ICC, and will reward us with an Australia tour if not in 2022 then 2023 or 2024 (when they finally cave into the pressure).

 

[Hasan123]

Yes its their right but that is not what I am asking. I would like to know what excuse they will make once its clear that all security assessments etc show Pakistan to be as safe as any other place in the world.

The reason they don't tour is because they don't think it is safe. That is their opinion and their right as well. I want them to tour but we can't force them or hold an agenda against them.

 

[Hasan123]

What about Bangladesh? They didn’t want to tour? What happened to their human right?

When Mushfiqar didn't tour Pakistan I said it's his right. I have been consistent in this view. If a player or team don't find Pakistan you and I are no one to decide where someone should feel safe. And I will say the same if Pakistan decide not to play at the World T20 next year if they feel the BCCI and Indian government won't guarantee their safety.

 

[MenInG]

The reason they don't tour is because they don't think it is safe. That is their opinion and their right as well. I want them to tour but we can't force them or hold an agenda against them.

There has to be a reason for not touring.

"I just dont like that place" is not the reason.

 

[Hasan123]

There has to be a reason for not touring.

"I just dont like that place" is not the reason.

It's not they don't like the place. They don't think it's safe. When they think it's safe they will tour. If we can host England and South Africa safely, it could change there minds.

 

[MenInG]

It's not they don't like the place. They don't think it's safe. When they think it's safe they will tour. If we can host England and South Africa safely, it could change there minds.

If they dont like the safety aspect then they need to clarify what aspect it is.

If their security team says its fine then that should be enough.

 

[Hasan123]

If they dont like the safety aspect then they need to clarify what aspect it is.

If their security team says its fine then that should be enough.

If they don't travel I would expect an explanation why.

 

[Rana]

It's not they don't like the place. They don't think it's safe. When they think it's safe they will tour. If we can host England and South Africa safely, it could change there minds.

No, MIG is right. They don’t like this place and they don’t like Bangladesh either. They don’t like India either but they would happily overlook that because traditionally they are the highest paid players in the IPL after the Indians.

MIG raised a valid question, what safety excuse will they have when England, South Africa and New Zealand tour? Will they say “we don’t think it’s safe”?

 

[Hasan123]

No, MIG is right. They don’t like this place and they don’t like Bangladesh either. They don’t like India either but they would happily overlook that because traditionally they are the highest paid players in the IPL after the Indians.

MIG raised a valid question, what safety excuse will they have when England, South Africa and New Zealand tour? Will they say “we don’t think it’s safe”?

I don't know what they don't find safe about Pakistan but you have no choice to accept their decision. Our complaints won't do anything. I can't answer why they don't think it's safe other than 2009 attacks. Hosting some more safe tours may change their minds.

 

[Rana]

I don't know what they don't find safe about Pakistan but you have no choice to accept their decision. Our complaints won't do anything. I can't answer why they don't think it's safe other than 2009 attacks. Hosting some more safe tours may change their minds.

And what about Bangladesh? White lives matter but Bengali lives don’t?

I have no choice but to accept their decision, why wasn’t this the case for the entire Bangladesh cricket board?

 

[Hasan123]

And what about Bangladesh? White lives matter but Bengali lives don’t?

I have no choice but to accept their decision, why wasn’t this the case for the entire Bangladesh cricket board?

Tour is a while away yet. Things can change quickly.

 

[Hasan123]

And what about Bangladesh? White lives matter but Bengali lives don’t?

I have no choice but to accept their decision, why wasn’t this the case for the entire Bangladesh cricket board?

Why are you asking me about them not touring Bangladesh? They didn't tour. If they don't find it safe it's their decision. You need to learn to accept certain things instead of holding agendas and name calling.

 

[Rana]

Tour is a while away yet. Things can change quickly.

So then maybe come up with “it is their right not to tour” excuses when they refuse to tour. Not peddle the white privilege narrative. It’s not on.

 

[Hasan123]

So then maybe come up with “it is their right not to tour” excuses when they refuse to tour. Not peddle the white privilege narrative. It’s not on.

Mate all I am doing is accepting their decision. If they don't want to tour it's upto them. I'm not going to let it me affect me like it is affecting you lol.

 

[Rana]

Why are you asking me about them not touring Bangladesh? They didn't tour. If they don't find it safe it's their decision. You need to learn to accept certain things instead of holding agendas and name calling.

What agenda and what name calling? I’m speaking the absolute truth here, how can you justify Bangladesh being arm twisted into touring for WTC points but Australia opting out and we have to accept it because it is their right?

This isn’t 1935 anymore! Nor is it 2006 where India had enough and took a stand!

 

[Hasan123]

What agenda and what name calling? I’m speaking the absolute truth here, how can you justify Bangladesh being arm twisted into touring for WTC points but Australia opting out and we have to accept it because it is their right?

This isn’t 1935 anymore! Nor is it 2006 where India had enough and took a stand!

All I know is they will tour when they think it's safe. I don't have the answers to your question. Your asking me like I am in the Australia cricket boardroom.

 

[Aami]

I dont know why people get obsessed with certain teams touring Pakistan or not?

Whether its India, England or Australia?

India not toured since 2007...but we're still standing!

England haven't toured since 2005, again we're still standing!

Hell Australia havent toured since Bradman was a lad...and....WE'RE STILL STANDING!

 

[Saj]

They will be looking for any slight reason not to go.

Any excuse will do.

 

[Pakpak]

Will our country remain safe? I am scared even one incident will lead to England not coming.

 

[Junaids]

Total failure to control Coronavirus.

You have a population of 212 million, but only test 20,000 people per day.

Australia has a population of 24 million and has conducted 10 million Tests, with up to 80,000 Tests conducted per day.

I would consider visiting Pakistan once they reach the point of conducting a minimum of 200,000 tests every day for 8 weeks.

But not before.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

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Yes because before the whole covid situation the Aussies were so desperate to tour.

 

[Rana]

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Yes because before the whole covid situation the Aussies were so desperate to tour.

Oh yeah so why were they in England at the peak of its pandemic?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Oh yeah so why were they in England at the peak of its pandemic?

Covid is a stupid excuse is what I meant. Pakistan’s covid situation is one of the best in the world.

Australia should tour - there’s no good reason for them not to.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I would like to hear Australia's reason for not touring if they decide not to. Because Pakistan for their part have done everything from Wasim Khan having conversations with CA officials, to urging Shane Watson to use his position as President of the ACA to spread the word about the security situation in Pakistan, to Imran Khan phoning Australian PM Scott Morrison. And a tour by England will only build on all this.

 

[MMHS]

They don't need excuses - they need to be hooked, like BCCI doing. The snobbiest sports team in world - even US Basketball team is better.

 

[Mamoon]

CA is extremely stubborn and you cannot coerce them into something that you they do not want. Only BCCI have the power to bully them around.

They will tour soon because it is also beneficial for them from a cricketing perspective. The WTC ensures that every series now counts.

Previously, Australia were not bothered about results against Pakistan in the UAE because the only away series in Asia that mattered to them was in India.

However, the context is different now because there are WTC points at stake, and the Pakistani pitches will suit their bowlers and batsmen more then Australian pitches.

It will be very interesting to see how Pakistan fare against teams like Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa in Tests matches in Pakistan.

Pakistani pitches are more conductive to fluent batting and fast bowling, so these teams should find it easier to adjust to Pakistani conditions.

We will also have to adapt accordingly because our usual tactic of blocking our way to 350 and throwing the ball to Yasir Shah will not work in Pakistan.

We will need to display some pure batsmanship and hosting fast bowling to beat these teams in Pakistan.

If we can pull it off, and I doubt if we can, I would start to feel slightly better about Pakistan cricket.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

CA is extremely stubborn and you cannot coerce them into something that you they do not want. Only BCCI have the power to bully them around.

They will tour soon because it is also beneficial for them from a cricketing perspective. The WTC ensures that every series now counts.

Previously, Australia were not bothered about results against Pakistan in the UAE because the only away series in Asia that mattered to them was in India.

However, the context is different now because there are WTC points at stake, and the Pakistani pitches will suit their bowlers and batsmen more then Australian pitches.

It will be very interesting to see how Pakistan fare against teams like Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa in Tests matches in Pakistan.

Pakistani pitches are more conductive to fluent batting and fast bowling, so these teams should find it easier to adjust to Pakistani conditions.

We will also have to adapt accordingly because our usual tactic of blocking our way to 350 and throwing the ball to Yasir Shah will not work in Pakistan.

We will need to display some pure batsmanship and hosting fast bowling to beat these teams in Pakistan.

If we can pull it off, and I doubt if we can, I would start to feel slightly better about Pakistan cricket.

It’s actually very refreshing to even hear you entertain the possibility of Pakistan doing well. I agree, Pakistani pitches are more conducive to SENA teams than UAE pitches, and it will naturally force our batsmen to bat fluently. A decade of blocking in the UAE has turned the likes of Azhar Ali into, statistically speaking, a Pakistan great, and that’s a shame.

Our batting in the UAE has had harmful repercussions in ripple effect, and I fully expect certain batsmen to be exposed in coming months and years. If we realize this early, we will evolve well.

 

[Aami]

No matter what sort of pitches we produce, home advantage plays a huge part.

Players make their name (and averages) in home conditions.

If you have even a little chance of adapting to pitches, it will be more in home conditions.

And, of course crowd factor helps too; lets hope the pandemic doesnt ruin that when these tours take place.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Australia will tour, if its mentioned in the FTP agreement that the matches will be in Pakistan. Else they may not.

England India SA NZ all toured Pakistan during 2000s. NZ left in mid of the tour though. But Australia hasnt toured Pakistan since 1998, for some reason or other.

Problem is PCB has no leverage on these boards.

 

[MenInG]

Australia will tour, if its mentioned in the FTP agreement that the matches will be in Pakistan. Else they may not.

England India SA NZ all toured Pakistan during 2000s. NZ left in mid of the tour though. But Australia hasnt toured Pakistan since 1998, for some reason or other.

Problem is PCB has no leverage on these boards.

Everything is not about leverage and money.

Its about doing the right thing.

If there is a problem in Pakistan which Australians would like to be looked at before they tour, then it should be clearly stated so that PCB can address it and say yes or no.

Making motherhood statements about not going to Pakistan etc does not make sense to me.

 

[Zaz]

Pakistan should consider not touring australia if austrailla dont make this tour

They need to feel there will be repercussions Pakistan cant accept this as continued status quo

 

[cricketjoshila]

Everything is not about leverage and money.

Its about doing the right thing.

If there is a problem in Pakistan which Australians would like to be looked at before they tour, then it should be clearly stated so that PCB can address it and say yes or no.

Making motherhood statements about not going to Pakistan etc does not make sense to me.

What was the problem for Australia when the other teams were touring?

What will pcb do if countries refuse to tour?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan should consider not touring australia if austrailla dont make this tour

They need to feel there will be repercussions Pakistan cant accept this as continued status quo

And how will this affect Australia? Its clear that they will not be affected monetarily.

So unless pakistan team is packed with a few superstars, it will not be about missing a tight contest or brilliant performances also.

CA will just ask someone else tour in the new FTP.

This is why you need leverage.

 

[MenInG]

What was the problem for Australia when the other teams were touring?

What will pcb do if countries refuse to tour?

Its not all about what PCB will do.

There are norms of behaviour in this world and people abide by that. All we are asking is for Australians to think about why they dont want to tour Pakistan and let PCB know exact reasons as opposed to - well - not.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Its not all about what PCB will do.

There are norms of behaviour in this world and people abide by that. All we are asking is for Australians to think about why they dont want to tour Pakistan and let PCB know exact reasons as opposed to - well - not.

Transparency is key here. If Australians don't want to tour, they should give a clear and specified reason this time.
Which I think they will give in case they are not touring.

 

[U$ofA]

Its not all about what PCB will do.

There are norms of behaviour in this world and people abide by that. All we are asking is for Australians to think about why they dont want to tour Pakistan and let PCB know exact reasons as opposed to - well - not.

What has been CA's reason for not touring since 1998 - 2020?

 

[angrypathan]

Pakistan should consider not touring australia if austrailla dont make this tour

They need to feel there will be repercussions Pakistan cant accept this as continued status quo

Cricket Australia won't care. They make a loss when Pakistan tour anyway.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan should consider not touring australia if austrailla dont make this tour

They need to feel there will be repercussions Pakistan cant accept this as continued status quo

I think Australia would love it. Pakistan offers no challenge and CA makes a loss.

It would free up space for a more competitive side that will not suffer an embarrassing whitewash every single time.

 

[Firebat]

Sadly I don't know what anyone can/will do to make Australia tour or not.

 

[Rana]

Sadly I don't know what anyone can/will do to make Australia tour or not.

Surrendering of WTC points

 

[Firebat]

Surrendering of WTC points

Who will enforce that though? Doubt the ICC is going to even consider touching a Big 3 member

 

[Rana]

Who will enforce that though? Doubt the ICC is going to even consider touching a Big 3 member

The ICC did not give Bangladesh any leeway. The only way the Bengalis came up with their ridiculous tour schedule for Pakistan because they were given the ultimatum that they can choose not to tour and surrender the WTC points as a result.

How can the ICC change its stance now when Australia is involved? This is why I keep saying that in the age of BLM and social media, the Aussies cannot and should not get away with their self entitled attitude towards the 3rd world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its not all about what PCB will do.

There are norms of behaviour in this world and people abide by that. All we are asking is for Australians to think about why they dont want to tour Pakistan and let PCB know exact reasons as opposed to - well - not.

You are not getting back it bro.

What reason did the Aussies give for not touring from 1998 to 2008, when rest of the world was visiting pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The ICC did not give Bangladesh any leeway. The only way the Bengalis came up with their ridiculous tour schedule for Pakistan because they were given the ultimatum that they can choose not to tour and surrender the WTC points as a result.

How can the ICC change its stance now when Australia is involved? This is why I keep saying that in the age of BLM and social media, the Aussies cannot and should not get away with their self entitled attitude towards the 3rd world.

Any credible source that says ICC gave ultimatum to Bangladesh?

 

[Rana]

Any credible source that says ICC gave ultimatum to Bangladesh?

So Bangladesh toured out of their own desire?

 

[Saj]

Touring Pakistan isn't lucrative for the Aussies.

Also it doesn't bring with it the customary off field activities that other tours do.

They and New Zealand will be the toughest to get to tour Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So Bangladesh toured out of their own desire?

Likely. If you can provide a source that says ICC gave them an ultimatum then that's different.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Touring Pakistan isn't lucrative for the Aussies.

Also it doesn't bring with it the customary off field activities that other tours do.

They and New Zealand will be the toughest to get to tour Pakistan.

NZ will tour. They did in 2002.

Aussies are a different kettle of fish though.

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

Touring Pakistan isn't lucrative for the Aussies.

Also it doesn't bring with it the customary off field activities that other tours do.

They and New Zealand will be the toughest to get to tour Pakistan.

Well if i can see the difference between touring and not touring it could be Wasim khan .
Even when pakistan had Respectable side Aussies didn't tour might be no one in charge of Pcb was able to convince em as they lacked the level of consistency & professionalism as Wasim khan
so i feel wasim Khan has that doer mentality he knows how to close .