World Cricketers' Association calls for a more equitable revenue distribution and a revamp of the ICC's governance model

[rpant_gabba]

This report with the proposals was commissioned last year.

And they look exactly like woolf report in many ways and revenue model which is key element of these proposal take sit back to pre 2013

What mask? They're distributions made from the ICCs revenue to their members, they're handouts.

Sucks for you as BCCI doesn't seem to take what it wants and doesn't treat it like a handout.

IMO, they should 38.5% is to low. Its should be close to 80%

As per your MO, you avoided this.

>>And many of them would be better off if ECB and CA board/players pooled their revenues and implement their proposal without getting BCCI/Indian players involvement.

that will really teach BCCI a lesson<<<

 

[rpant_gabba]

Fair enough.

But what control do they have over IPL? A private league. I can even understand the bilaterals. But not IPL.

Depends on whose view this is from. I bet the BCCI will see it as a 73% loss. While WCA will say its 3%. And there in lies the big problem.

There is only one key goal for this report: reduce BCCI's revenue

Anyway, this report is a "if my aunt had d%^k, she would be my uncle" wet dream

 

[RexRex]

There is only one key goal for this report: reduce BCCI's revenue

Anyway, this report is a "if my aunt had d%^k, she would be my uncle" wet dream

What does your revenue distribution model look like - what % does the big 3 get and how much do the rest get, including the assosciates ?

 

[BouncerGuy]

STAY ON TOPIC GUYS

 

[rpant_gabba]

What does your revenue distribution model look like - what % does the big 3 get and how much do the rest get, including the assosciates ?

My revenue model is ICC not be involved broadcast deals. the revenue will be handled by each board for the country it represents.

Each country will contribute the same amount to the the functioning of the ICC.

the salaries for players will be governed by what his country's economy can support.

 

[U$ofA]

My revenue model is ICC not be involved broadcast deals. the revenue will be handled by each board for the country it represents.

Each country will contribute the same amount to the the functioning of the ICC.

the salaries for players will be governed by what his country's economy can support.

Right on. The best way to bring about equality in the ICC that everyone has been screaming about for the longest time.

Pretty much a subscription model. The ICC comes up with a budget for five years and all full member boards contribute equally to the full amount of that budget for five years. Rinse repeat in five years and so on.

No single board influence on the ICC. ICC can function independently. Everyone is happy!

 

[HitWicket]

But what control do they have over IPL? A private league. I can even understand the bilaterals. But not IPL.

The proposals are all there for you to see in the report, naturally a lot of them will have knock on impacts.

Depends on whose view this is from. I bet the BCCI will see it as a 73% loss. While WCA will say its 3%. And there in lies the big problem.

Their annual revenue would be down by 3% based on the projection, that's the end outcome and therefore obviously the number that should be focused on.

 

[U$ofA]

The proposals are all there for you to see in the report, naturally a lot of them will have knock on impacts.



Their annual revenue would be down by 3% based on the projection, that's the end outcome and therefore obviously the number that should be focused on.

What I wonder is about the bigger picture. We now have the report. Who is this report for? Who is supposed to take this and put in the leg work and implement it?

I sure hope that the WCA is not relying on the BCCI to do it. They will not. So, let's eliminate BCCI. Who from the rest will take this report and implement it? At the least take the lead.

 

[rpant_gabba]

This is exactly what communism is. BCCI generates money because of its fans but give up major portion of that to some Khaleel from Pakistan or Bongo in Bangladesh to blow off in there vanity projects. I would like CA and it's players to give up there salary to Afghanistan women's team since they crib the most about it.

Nope. This is not communism.

Communism is take what you need and leave what you can.

This is "what is mine is mine and what is yours is negotiable" colonialism.

 

[rpant_gabba]

The proposals are all there for you to see in the report, naturally a lot of them will have knock on impacts.



Their annual revenue would be down by 3% based on the projection, that's the end outcome and therefore obviously the number that should be focused on.

As was pointed out, they have no way way to bring about the change to the revenue model, which is key to to the rest of their proposals.

1) WCA doesn't have a vote.

2) The permanent members of the ICC don't seem to have the stomach to stand up to BCCI.

At this point, it is best for WCA to use their "leverage" of 500+ professional cricketers: Abandon ICC and start their own their own organization as per their proposals.

It will have, as you put it, lot of natural knock on impacts to their incomes. but I'm sure they will happy in not having to provide any "handouts" to BCCI

 

[Vikram1989]

This is "what is mine is mine and what is yours is negotiable" colonialism.

U always comes with winner's mate

 

[RexRex]

My revenue model is ICC not be involved broadcast deals. the revenue will be handled by each board for the country it represents.

ICC is involved in broadcast deals for ICC tournaments, who else is going to handle that ?

How is this revenue from ICC tournaments to be distributed amongst members ?

 

[RexRex]

ICC is involved in broadcast deals for ICC tournaments, who else is going to handle that ?

How is this revenue from ICC tournaments to be distributed amongst members ?

Ok nevermind, I get it now @rpant_gabba

I don't think any central body functions that way though, be it FIFA or Olympics etc.. there's always been a central pool which gets distributed to constituent members.

 

[rpant_gabba]

ICC is involved in broadcast deals for ICC tournaments, who else is going to handle that ?

How is this revenue from ICC tournaments to be distributed amongst members ?

They already have separated broadcast deals by territory for the ICC tournaments.

Eg. Indian territory rights are sold separately currently and am sure that can be extended with minimal effort to the rest of the boards


ICC does see any of the revenue directly. it gets an equal contribution from each board to function and prize money for the tournament.

completely eliminates the corruption

 

[emranabbas]

So after the Woolf report, this is another attempt by Aussies to tell India and BCCI how its money should be spent, becos, you know Aus and Eng have such a great track record of acting for the good of the game of cricket.

India should consider forming two national teams, India A and India B, and have them compete against each other. By doing this, they can keep all the financial benefits and viewership revenue within the country. With India’s massive cricket following and market size, it would be a smart strategy, ensuring that the money generated through broadcasting, sponsorships, and advertisements stays at home. win win situation for everyone

 

[Cover Drive Six]

WCA? Never heard of them. Who are these beggars, lol

 

[HitWicket]

The bizarre defensiveness many Indians have around the BCCI and Indian cricket will never cease to surprise me. Here we have a proposal that's projected to leave the BCCI almost financially unaffected whilst benefiting world cricket massively and people still take issue with it. It's almost as if they hate the sport itself and are purely in it as a pissing contest.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Ok nevermind, I get it now @rpant_gabba

I don't think any central body functions that way though, be it FIFA or Olympics etc.. there's always been a central pool which gets distributed to constituent members.

Not sure the comparison helps.

FiFA doesn't get to touch bulk of the global football revenue football revenue. That is in the leagues like PL, La Liga, Serie A etc etc.

They organize 1 tournament every 4 year and the international game is a side show.

Olympics is completely different ball of wax.

the other organized team sports like NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, MLS all have very different models.

Cricket can have its own model

 

[rpant_gabba]

The bizarre defensiveness many Indians have around the BCCI and Indian cricket will never cease to surprise me. Here we have a proposal that's projected to leave the BCCI almost financially unaffected whilst benefiting world cricket massively and people still take issue with it. It's almost as if they hate the sport itself and are purely in it as a pissing contest.

Sure unaffected. by reducing it by 70% what they would would have without these day light robbery attempt

 

[rpant_gabba]

India should consider forming two national teams, India A and India B, and have them compete against each other. By doing this, they can keep all the financial benefits and viewership revenue within the country. With India’s massive cricket following and market size, it would be a smart strategy, ensuring that the money generated through broadcasting, sponsorships, and advertisements stays at home. win win situation for everyone

I've been saying something similar to this for while.

Implement Woolf report w/o involvement of BCCI. Pool all the revenues besides BCCI's share, distribute it equally among the members. This creates an even playing field for the rest of the members and eliminates their need to dance to BCCI's tune. This will allow the game to become more popular and grow the revenue from the increased popularity and it become a true world wide game. this will also eliminate BCCI's hegemony. Of course, this will mean some short term pain for some of the boards, but it will be a small price to pay for their stated long term goal, i.e., betterment of the sport of cricket. As the say charity begins at home and its about time, the old powers of cricket showed some real leadership instead of paying lip service.

 

[HitWicket]

Sure unaffected. by reducing it by 70% what they would would have without these day light robbery attempt

The thuggery of colonial assho$%^s never ceases to amaze me.

Again, the difference in projected total revenue is 3%.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Again, the difference in projected total revenue is 3%.

Again, 70% lower with these proposal than without it.

Besides, All the boards have atleast 10X more money than they had 20 years ago. They should learn to manage that.

IF they are not happy, they can kick the troublemaker, BCCI, out. .

Instead they they act like Who$%s who want to get paid and complain about having to put out.

 

[HitWicket]

Again, 70% lower with these proposal than without it.

No, a projected 3% reduction in total revenue compared to without these proposed changes as I've already pointed out to you multiple times and you would know if you'd bothered to look at the report.

 

[rpant_gabba]

No, a projected 3% reduction in total revenue compared to without these proposed changes as I've already pointed out to you multiple times and you would know if you'd bothered to look at the report.

No, as was already pointed out, not into Enron accounting.

The only question is will WCA act? They already have stated that their proposal on ICC revenue model revision is unlikely to happen.

Will they any steps towards their goal?

 

[Mockingbird]

You make all the money off us, and then talk about equitable distribution? Not happening.

 

[mominsaigol]

What's even the point of this? Bcci, ca and ecb will do what they want lol.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

1. WCA proposals sound the death of international cricket completely. and with that will be death of many smaller boards. Without India tours, none of them are breaking even.
2. IPL will be free to expand to larger window all year round IPL could become muti-tiered (grow to 16 or 18 teams) and will literally absorb all the top players of any skill. Leagues like PSL will be left with retirees.
3. and also Would love to hear how the ECB and CA view about scrapping Ashes !
4. Only 9 top teams and others relegated, well that would be nice. No more crap teams like Bangladesh distorting the stats. Tired of making special filters excluding minnows to get real data.
5. Just like football no one would care about international records. It will be T20 franchise data that will be talked about and just like football cares only about European club records, guess which league will be talked about in cricket
6. To those cheering the recommended reduction of BCCI's share, There are 100+ countries in ICC. For equitable distribution Pakistan is not getting its 5% anymore . Welcome bankruptcy!!

 

[mominsaigol]

1. WCA proposals sound the death of international cricket completely. and with that will be death of many smaller boards. Without India tours, none of them are breaking even.
2. IPL will be free to expand to larger window all year round IPL could become muti-tiered (grow to 16 or 18 teams) and will literally absorb all the top players of any skill. Leagues like PSL will be left with retirees.
3. and also Would love to hear how the ECB and CA view about scrapping Ashes !
4. Only 9 top teams and others relegated, well that would be nice. No more crap teams like Bangladesh distorting the stats. Tired of making special filters excluding minnows to get real data.
5. Just like football no one would care about international records. It will be T20 franchise data that will be talked about and just like football cares only about European club records, guess which league will be talked about in cricket
6. To those cheering the recommended reduction of BCCI's share, There are 100+ countries in ICC. For equitable distribution Pakistan is not getting its 5% anymore . Welcome bankruptcy!!

1) Then let them die.

2) Then let them absorb

3) Won't ever be scrapped as Australia rules

4) Australia still rules

5) Good, Travis Head becomes a suoer star

6) And? Pakistan will be fine.

 

[rpant_gabba]

What's even the point of this? Bcci, ca and ecb will do what they want lol.

But, WCA has leverage of 500+ professional cricketers as members.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

1) Then let them die.

2) Then let them absorb

3) Won't ever be scrapped as Australia rules

4) Australia still rules

5) Good, Travis Head becomes a suoer star

6) And? Pakistan will be fine.

Ahh.. Wish the world ran one one liners... then you could have ruled the world!

 

[mominsaigol]

Ahh.. Wish the world ran one one liners... then you could have ruled the world!

One one liners? It's one liners. Where did the extra one come from?

 

[mominsaigol]

But, WCA has leverage of 500+ professional cricketers as members.

Either let Bcci run things on its own with ca and ecb just doing their own thing which is to not support lower nations or have bcci develop 500+ members on its own.

Either way you're on your own

 

[HitWicket]

1. WCA proposals sound the death of international cricket completely. and with that will be death of many smaller boards. Without India tours, none of them are breaking even.
2. IPL will be free to expand to larger window all year round IPL could become muti-tiered (grow to 16 or 18 teams) and will literally absorb all the top players of any skill. Leagues like PSL will be left with retirees.
3. and also Would love to hear how the ECB and CA view about scrapping Ashes !
4. Only 9 top teams and others relegated, well that would be nice. No more crap teams like Bangladesh distorting the stats. Tired of making special filters excluding minnows to get real data.
5. Just like football no one would care about international records. It will be T20 franchise data that will be talked about and just like football cares only about European club records, guess which league will be talked about in cricket
6. To those cheering the recommended reduction of BCCI's share, There are 100+ countries in ICC. For equitable distribution Pakistan is not getting its 5% anymore . Welcome bankruptcy!!

Eh? Who said anything about scrapping the ashes, only 9 teams playing internationally, or equal distributions?

 

[rpant_gabba]

Either let Bcci run things on its own with ca and ecb just doing their own thing which is to not support lower nations or have bcci develop 500+ members on its own.

Either way you're on your own

WCA are on their own with 500+ professional cricketers, which includes the likes of Pat Cummins.

My guess is, Pat knows which side his bread is buttered on.

 

[mominsaigol]

WCA are on their own with 500+ professional cricketers, which includes the likes of Pat Cummins.

My guess is, Pat knows which side his bread is buttered on.

I'm going to be civil with you and explain it properly.

Look, Bcci runs cricket correct? So what's your problem? That CA doesn't help them develop lower nations?

It's not easy developing lower nations for a few reasons.

A) The issue sticks deeper then just cricket. If anything it's a miracle countries like Pakistan managed to win 3 icc events and maintain some level of mod tier dominance in its prime, since countries like Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Pakistan aren't developed enough.

Unless you're suggesting a plan to literally turn such countries into global powerhouses, you can forget about improving cricket from their end.

Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Nepalare just their to fill the numbers in icc events lol and mask the truth that cricket is really just 5 teams competing yearly against one another in both odi, t20 and test cricket.

B) The other option is to bring developed countries like USA, China, Germany etc etc and invite them to play cricket but it won't happen because this involves changing the entire culture of these countries and gearing them towards enjoying cricket.

Australia, NZ, Eng are British nations with a British culture which is why interest in cricket grew. Not the case with other developed nations.

And even with their infrastructure it will take years to develop since cricket isn't learned overnight.

C) Lastly CA itself isn't interested. They lose money and viewership if they play such teams and support them. No one wants to see Steve smith score a century against Bangladesh in test cricket lol.

^^ This was the only topic I was interested in and how pur conversation started.

Any topic beyond that I don't care. Now you can view CA as evil and bcci as a helpless child who has to do it one their own, but no one cares besides a few whiny brats on media who complain nonstop.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Eh? Who said anything about scrapping the ashes, only 9 teams playing internationally, or equal distributions?

Four 21 day window for International cricket. Ashes needs atleast 6 weeks.
Its basically 8 months of franchise Cricket and 4 months of International cricket.
and there are going to be 8 windows in a 2 year span. OH F.. my bad, it will be just 7 teams in top tier. because one needs window for ICC tournaments too.

So in a two year cycle, 6 bilateral windows for tests, T20 and ODI. 2 windows for ICC tournaments, WTC final might need a special place in calender. . I am not sure how ODI world Cup will squeeze into 3 weeks? but lets assume that.

Its a proposal by players union to maximize

 

[mominsaigol]

Four 21 day window for International cricket. Ashes needs atleast 6 weeks.
Its basically 8 months of franchise Cricket and 4 months of International cricket.
and there are going to be 8 windows in a 2 year span. OH F.. my bad, it will be just 7 teams in top tier. because one needs window for ICC tournaments too.

So in a two year cycle, 6 bilateral windows for tests, T20 and ODI. 2 windows for ICC tournaments, WTC final might need a special place in calender. . I am not sure how ODI world Cup will squeeze into 3 weeks? but lets assume that.

Its a proposal by players union to maximize

why not just allocate a month to each?

1) January: ODI galore
2) Feburary: Odi galore
3) March: t20 league galore
4) April: t20 galore
5) May: Test galore
6) June: WTC
7) July: Odi world cup
8) August: India vs England 5 match test series
9) September: BGT
10) October: Test Galore
11) November: Test Galore
12) December: Ashes

^^ problem solved? Seriously icc and bcci is so silly

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

To all the people crying about Cricket having less top teams.

Football in its entire history has only 8 teams lifting the trophy, Cricket with its limited supply already has had 6 teams.
There have only been 13 teams ever to make the finals of a football world cup. If you actually bother to go through the finances of FIFA, one would understand how drastic is the revenue distribution by FIFA

FA (England) gets 40 times more grant money than AIFF (India), 3 times more that US Soccer, 5 times more than Australian football. People just have pre-conceived notions and just love to cry about it.

and as for Pakistan football :rofl

Between 2016 and 2022, FIFA disbursed a staggering USD 2.24 billion to 211 member associations and six confederations, a sum aimed at bolstering football’s growth worldwide. For Pakistan, this translates to an annual allocation of nearly USD 1.25 million from FIFA and an additional funding from the Asian Football Confederation (AFC). The primary goal of this funding is to uplift football in countries with underdeveloped programs, such as Pakistan, by addressing challenges in infrastructure, player development, and operations.

Pakistan basically got 0.05% of FIFA funds and people cry about equity in cricket allocations.
Everywhere in the world revenue sharing is on the lines of what you bring to the table. Ferrari has a permanent extra share in F1 for a reason.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I'm going to be civil with you and explain it properly.

Look, Bcci runs cricket correct? So what's your problem? That CA doesn't help them develop lower nations?

It's not easy developing lower nations for a few reasons.

A) The issue sticks deeper then just cricket. If anything it's a miracle countries like Pakistan managed to win 3 icc events and maintain some level of mod tier dominance in its prime, since countries like Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Pakistan aren't developed enough.

Unless you're suggesting a plan to literally turn such countries into global powerhouses, you can forget about improving cricket from their end.

Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Nepalare just their to fill the numbers in icc events lol and mask the truth that cricket is really just 5 teams competing yearly against one another in both odi, t20 and test cricket.

B) The other option is to bring developed countries like USA, China, Germany etc etc and invite them to play cricket but it won't happen because this involves changing the entire culture of these countries and gearing them towards enjoying cricket.

Australia, NZ, Eng are British nations with a British culture which is why interest in cricket grew. Not the case with other developed nations.

And even with their infrastructure it will take years to develop since cricket isn't learned overnight.

C) Lastly CA itself isn't interested. They lose money and viewership if they play such teams and support them. No one wants to see Steve smith score a century against Bangladesh in test cricket lol.

^^ This was the only topic I was interested in and how pur conversation started.

Any topic beyond that I don't care. Now you can view CA as evil and bcci as a helpless child who has to do it one their own, but no one cares besides a few whiny brats on media who complain nonstop.

Not sure why you getting upset with me.

It should be the WCA you should be upset at.

 

[JaDed]

To all the people crying about Cricket having less top teams.

Football in its entire history has only 8 teams lifting the trophy, Cricket with its limited supply already has had 6 teams.
There have only been 13 teams ever to make the finals of a football world cup. If you actually bother to go through the finances of FIFA, one would understand how drastic is the revenue distribution by FIFA

FA (England) gets 40 times more grant money than AIFF (India), 3 times more that US Soccer, 5 times more than Australian football. People just have pre-conceived notions and just love to cry about it.

and as for Pakistan football :rofl

Between 2016 and 2022, FIFA disbursed a staggering USD 2.24 billion to 211 member associations and six confederations, a sum aimed at bolstering football’s growth worldwide. For Pakistan, this translates to an annual allocation of nearly USD 1.25 million from FIFA and an additional funding from the Asian Football Confederation (AFC). The primary goal of this funding is to uplift football in countries with underdeveloped programs, such as Pakistan, by addressing challenges in infrastructure, player development, and operations.

Pakistan basically got 0.05% of FIFA funds and people cry about equity in cricket allocations.
Everywhere in the world revenue sharing is on the lines of what you bring to the table. Ferrari has a permanent extra share in F1 for a reason.

Stop spitting facts , forum is so much more fun with random reports and debates.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

why not just allocate a month to each?

1) January: ODI galore
2) Feburary: Odi galore
3) March: t20 league galore
4) April: t20 galore
5) May: Test galore
6) June: WTC
7) July: Odi world cup
8) August: India vs England 5 match test series
9) September: BGT
10) October: Test Galore
11) November: Test Galore
12) December: Ashes

^^ problem solved? Seriously icc and bcci is so silly

The big 3 will do what they feel is right for their finances. They would have better projections than us to take a better call.
What I find funny is that Pakistani posters cheering at a proposal which will basically end cricket for countries like Pakistan.

 

[mominsaigol]

Not sure why you getting upset with me.

It should be the WCA you should be upset at.

Lol, am not getting upset with you, was trying to explain my viewpoint lol. And why you're argument about CA not supporting made zero sense.

It's easy for India to support let's say Afghanistan by allowing them to play om their pitches, IPL, use India as a 2nd home etc etc.

How is Australia suppose to develop and help any nation other then New Zealand which they already support?

Even India can't help all nations. They turned Afghanistan into a decent unit, but they can't just freely let the likes of Zimbabwe, Kenya, Bangladesh use their home soil.

To fix their cricket you need to fix their country which ain't happening.

CA has no benefit but even if they truly wanted to help, they wouldn't be able to do anything. All that would occur is Bangladesh, Kenya, Zimbabwe getting drubbed on home soil and away soil and then aus calling it a day while these countries never improve their cricket.

 

[HitWicket]

Four 21 day window for International cricket. Ashes needs atleast 6 weeks.
Its basically 8 months of franchise Cricket and 4 months of International cricket.
and there are going to be 8 windows in a 2 year span. OH F.. my bad, it will be just 7 teams in top tier. because one needs window for ICC tournaments too.

So in a two year cycle, 6 bilateral windows for tests, T20 and ODI. 2 windows for ICC tournaments, WTC final might need a special place in calender. . I am not sure how ODI world Cup will squeeze into 3 weeks? but lets assume that.

Its a proposal by players union to maximize

No, the proposal is for those dedicated windows where franchise cricket won't be played, not that international cricket can't be played outside those windows.

 

[HitWicket]

To all the people crying about Cricket having less top teams.

Football in its entire history has only 8 teams lifting the trophy, Cricket with its limited supply already has had 6 teams.
There have only been 13 teams ever to make the finals of a football world cup. If you actually bother to go through the finances of FIFA, one would understand how drastic is the revenue distribution by FIFA

FA (England) gets 40 times more grant money than AIFF (India), 3 times more that US Soccer, 5 times more than Australian football. People just have pre-conceived notions and just love to cry about it.

and as for Pakistan football :rofl

Between 2016 and 2022, FIFA disbursed a staggering USD 2.24 billion to 211 member associations and six confederations, a sum aimed at bolstering football’s growth worldwide. For Pakistan, this translates to an annual allocation of nearly USD 1.25 million from FIFA and an additional funding from the Asian Football Confederation (AFC). The primary goal of this funding is to uplift football in countries with underdeveloped programs, such as Pakistan, by addressing challenges in infrastructure, player development, and operations.

Pakistan basically got 0.05% of FIFA funds and people cry about equity in cricket allocations.
Everywhere in the world revenue sharing is on the lines of what you bring to the table. Ferrari has a permanent extra share in F1 for a reason.

Not entirely sure how you've managed to quote a source and still get this so wrong? Your own link shows the AIFF getting a bigger handout from the FIFA forward program than the FA.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Lol, am not getting upset with you, was trying to explain my viewpoint lol. And why you're argument about CA not supporting made zero sense.

It's easy for India to support let's say Afghanistan by allowing them to play om their pitches, IPL, use India as a 2nd home etc etc.

How is Australia suppose to develop and help any nation other then New Zealand which they already support?

Even India can't help all nations. They turned Afghanistan into a decent unit, but they can't just freely let the likes of Zimbabwe, Kenya, Bangladesh use their home soil.

To fix their cricket you need to fix their country which ain't happening.

CA has no benefit but even if they truly wanted to help, they wouldn't be able to do anything. All that would occur is Bangladesh, Kenya, Zimbabwe getting drubbed on home soil and away soil and then aus calling it a day while these countries never improve their cricket.

you and I are on the same page.

I want BCCI to experiment for a few years with CA's approach. Disengage from ICC. cut out the riff raff. They can survive playing Aus, Eng on regular basis and odd series here there with Nzl and SA.

Let Pak, BD and SL sort their issues out at a political level with India before BCCI engages them.

Kick the can on the WC to 2030 or later.

 

[mominsaigol]

The big 3 will do what they feel is right for their finances. They would have better projections than us to take a better call.
What I find funny is that Pakistani posters cheering at a proposal which will basically end cricket for countries like Pakistan.

What I find funny is that Pakistani posters cheering at a proposal which will basically end cricket for countries like Pakistan.

It won't. Heres whatll happen without any bloodshed

A) proposal launched, Pakistani government finally decides that it has had enough and decides to launch a full scale war.

B) They first tactically invade China knowing full well that China is friendly and digitally invade their banks, arms, and loot them of their nuclear weaponry. This will be a stealth mission and all this will happen without China finding out.

C) After china's secret invadion they turn their attention to USA where they secretly loot all their stuff without usa finding out.

D) Using this, they launch a full scale secret invasion on India, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan. They use agent 47 hitman tactics to disguise themsleves as Indians. Using this disguise they announce the merging of the subcontinent once again.

E) now it's time to turn their attention to the British where they steal all of the queen and kings jewels without the British finding out.

F) Finally they now have enough power to approve the proposal however Australia is a problem

G) They try to turn their attention to Australia but due to the remote location of such a grueling visit, a thunder storm hits and all their comrades perish at sea. Leaving Australia untouched.

^^ We can call this Cold War 2, no bloodshed, just pure stealth and drama.

 

[mominsaigol]

you and I are on the same page.

I want BCCI to experiment for a few years with CA's approach. Disengage from ICC. cut out the riff raff. They can survive playing Aus, Eng on regular basis and odd series here there with Nzl and SA.

Let Pak, BD and SL sort their issues out at a political level with India before BCCI engages them.

Kick the can on the WC to 2030 or later.

Logically this is what should happen however cricket is too popular in india. Bcci needs to maintain the illusion that this isn't just a 4 way sport played between Oceania (aus,nz), Eng and India.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Not entirely sure how you've managed to quote a source and still get this so wrong? Your own link shows the AIFF getting a bigger handout from the FIFA forward program than the FA.

I picked up data from financial reports of individual football boards.
For Paksitan I couldnt find an audited report, so got that link. I will trust the audited financials reports of the boards.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Not entirely sure how you've managed to quote a source and still get this so wrong? Your own link shows the AIFF getting a bigger handout from the FIFA forward program than the FA.

Will do a more thorough check, thanks for pointing out.

 

[HitWicket]

I picked up data from financial reports of individual football boards.
For Paksitan I couldnt find an audited report, so got that link. I will trust the audited financials reports of the boards.

You're presumably looking at the wrong numbers given the FIFA report you have linked to very clearly shows the AIFF getting more than the FA in the last FIFA forward cycle. Under the FIFA forward program each member association is entitled to the same base amount for operational costs, the same maximum entitlement that can be applied for for development projects, and some additional funds available on top of that to countries who are deemed the most in need (i.e countries that can't afford to pay for travel/accommodation for their international team).

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

For the clueless, Tim May is convict asshole who wants to loot Indian money.

He got nowhere 10+ years with FICA.

Now he changed the name to WCA and trying his hand again.

even PCB dumped his ass

PCB supported BCCI in voting against Tim May as ICC Players Rep

Online forum for Pakistani cricket

www.pakpassion.net

It seems you haven't learned your lesson, have you? You continue to use abusive language here, and I am genuinely surprised this post is still up.

 

[RexRex]

It seems you haven't learned your lesson, have you? You continue to use abusive language here, and I am genuinely surprised this post is still up.

why do you hate the convicts and wardens so much ? @rpant_gabba

 

[rpant_gabba]

why do you hate the convicts and wardens so much ? @rpant_gabba

Hypocrisy mostly. There are Indians I hate more.

The joke is I seemed to get along better with folks from Indiana compared to many from India

 

[Slim]

The per capita GDP of Pakistan without it's richest 10% is equal to that of Rwanda. Maybe you should worry about your own country.

Yours is equal to rwanda too, so its not a good look either ways. Pakistanis definitely dont have a false sense of unfounded arrogance. Theres a reason that you guys have become the most disliked ethnic group in the world.

 

[ravisurya]

Yours is equal to rwanda too, so its not a good look either ways. Pakistanis definitely dont have a false sense of unfounded arrogance. Theres a reason that you guys have become the most disliked ethnic group in the world.

Actually much better. Ya no one would be arrogant when you don't even get food. Anyway it's fool hardly to compare India and Pakistan but a Pakistani commenting on the growing Indian economy is just ridiculous. One country is growing the other lives off hand outs.

 

[RexRex]

Hypocrisy mostly. There are Indians I hate more.

The joke is I seemed to get along better with folks from Indiana compared to many from India

I mean you can dwell on the past all you want but at the end of the day .. if star players of other countries don't get paid a decent wage by their national boards, they are going to go full time mercenary and join the various t20 leagues around the world which pay a lot better.

Is that in India's interest ? To play against weakened international opposition with all theirs stars missing ? That would be devaluation of international cricket.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys steer clear of political debates

 

[Master Blaster]

Scary time for the BCCI.

 

[zn426]

Guys steer clear of political debates

Man cricket is the most political game on earth. And as others have noted-this is hardly a new development.
Pakistan used to boycott matches vs. India. Australia used to boycott matches. Now India is boycotting matches. All of these are for political reasons. The debate is going to be political in nature.

 

[JaDed]

Man cricket is the most political game on earth. And as others have noted-this is hardly a new development.
Pakistan used to boycott matches vs. India. Australia used to boycott matches. Now India is boycotting matches. All of these are for political reasons. The debate is going to be political in nature.

Well Fifa threw out Russia inspite of Russia hosting a WC .. every sport is political, it represents nations its going to be political, the wcs won by Italy before WW-2 are political as well.

 

[zn426]

now speaking to the overall situation and the comments from the WCA

If the other boards want India to have less monetary power, the only solution is to make cricket print money in other countries. Print money in England, print money in Australia, in Pakistan, in the West Indies, USA, etc.
I've repeatedly argued that Pakistan needs to work at bringing China into the game as their close national friends.

But do you want to know how to make cricket make money?
1. Put it on free to air TV in every single country.
2. Maximize sponsorships and advertising. EVERYONE should know about cricket matches, even the local ones.
3. Put a priority on making national players play locally within their home country too. Make them STARS in their home country.
4. restrict controlling interests of T20 franchises to citizens of the host country. Only Pakistani owners should own PSL franchises. Only Indian owners for IPL. Only Emirati owners of ILTT20 franchises. Outside owners only have their financial interests in mind rather than boosting the sport within the local area. Foreign owners can be max 49% minority interests.
5. Boost developmental cricket. Make kids want to play it anywhere and everywhere they can.
6. Associate sides from smaller countries should regularly be getting home and home series with Test nations in that region. This gives them more experience and opportunities to grow in skill, and for smaller team players to become stars in their own right. This basically means that PNG should be touring Australia and new Zealand. Likewise, Nepal, Bhutan, Singapore, and Hong Kong should be touring Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh (and getting regular series vs. Afghanistan in UAE), USA and Canada should be playing vs. WI annually. England and Ireland should be hosting Scotland, Netherlands, and similar. I guess we can include SA and Zimbabwe playing regular series vs. the smaller African sides like Uganda and Namibia too.
7. Require boards to submit an annual financial plan focused on maximizing cricket revenue in their area before annual revenue distributions are approved. This will force every team to actually plan ahead, measure performance, and make strategic changes to make their cricket stronger.

Will this solve all the issues? No, no it won't. But the only way to pay for cricket is to grow the revenue pool and the only way it will grow is if everyone is focused on pushing harder on finances. I'm no fan of India because of how they have used politics to isolate Pakistan, but the solution isn't war. Pakistan and PCB have a responsibility to grow Pakistani economy and Pakistani cricket on their own.It's not as if there aren't many opportunities for Pakistan to grow the economy and make money. Not everyone is against Pakistan, not even all Indians are against Pakistan and I'm sure there are those who would love to do real business with Pakistanis.

The game has changed and everyone needs to accept that. We're not going back to the pre-franchise cricket era, so we might as well embrace it and enjoy the game.

 

[Slim]

Actually much better. Ya no one would be arrogant when you don't even get food. Anyway it's fool hardly to compare India and Pakistan but a Pakistani commenting on the growing Indian economy is just ridiculous. One country is growing the other lives off hand outs.

No one is not getting food in Pakistan but let me not rain on your parade while you try to find ways to escape India while chest beating at the same time. Indians are an interesting species.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

The bizarre defensiveness many Indians have around the BCCI and Indian cricket will never cease to surprise me. Here we have a proposal that's projected to leave the BCCI almost financially unaffected whilst benefiting world cricket massively and people still take issue with it. It's almost as if they hate the sport itself and are purely in it as a pissing contest.

It doesnt my friend. It doesn't

This is a proposal by players' union who want to maximize their incomes at the expense of long term structure of the game.
This proposal will be worse than what the big 3 proposal in 2013 would have been.
You will have Champions league primarily of India, England and Australia. In an open free market that will be dictatated by franchise cricket entire cricket will be consolidated in India with IPL being played year long.

CSA, SLC, BCB, WICB will go bankrupt. with no money flowing from India matches, even ICC revenue will stagnate as international cricket becomes less important. At least in current set up, the boards are getting about 10% of the foreign player salary in IPL as part of condition. This proposal will end this little revenue sharing arrangement that's vital to some boards. Why will players from lesser boards be available for international duty at all and risk injury.

None of the proposals are ever going to affect BCCI revenue stream as long Indian economy is growing and public stays cricket mad. Current set up is not ideal but it is keeping atleast 10-12 cricketing nations near break even and gradually growing that number. Olympics should be a nice boost to cricket.

Again, this WCA is mostly a player union demand for more money in their pockets and that is exactly in conflict with international cricket as we know it.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I mean you can dwell on the past all you want but at the end of the day .. if star players of other countries don't get paid a decent wage by their national boards, they are going to go full time mercenary and join the various t20 leagues around the world which pay a lot better.

Is that in India's interest ? To play against weakened international opposition with all theirs stars missing ? That would be devaluation of international cricket.

What I'm hearing is a very conservative, fear driven thought process, which is part of the reason BCCI got pushed around.

I don't see an issue to be honest. International criekt has always a been about 2-3 countries. There will be 2-3 strong countries far the foreseeable future, as long we don't entertain the olympics idiocy.

till the mid 70's it was Eng and Aus. then it was Aus Wi. WI ruled till the mid 80's. Aus took over after.

In those days players, skipped International games to go play County cricket.

Don't think India should bother accommodating all the boards. Just put exclusivity clauses in IPL contracts for the key players from other countries.