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How about this for a World Cup format ?

Have a 12 team WC.
8 full members,2 Test playing Associates namely Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and 2 more spots for non-Test playing associates (like Ireland,Afghanistan,Canada...).

The initial round should be just as it is now ; two groups consisting of 6 teams each.Top four qualify in the round robin from each group.
Normally the next stage is QF but I propose that we ditch the QF.
Like in this WC after the group stages,these teams qualified from each group :

NZ,Aus,SL,BD and IND,SA,WI,PK .

Now instead of holding a knock out QF,lets shuffle these teams so that one group is,say, NZ,SA,SL,WI and the other is IND,Aus,BD,PK.
You have taken two teams from each group and swapped them.
Now you hold another round robin in each group-kind of like the Champions Trophy.You get teams on merit of performance in Group Stage and teams have a fairer chance of qualifying for the SF.The top 2 from each group qualify for the real knock out SF.

I am not being biased (although I won`t blame you for calling me sour grapes) that sometimes SF spots are taken a tad unfairly.For instance I still feel that Pakistan had it too easy in the 2011 WC where they thrashed one of the crappiest teams of the tournament (WI) and got an easy SF berth.And now they had it a bit hard as they faced the toughest opponents (Aus) in a do-or-die match.
Better for teams to earn the SF spot in a more competitive and fair manner.


I agree that this will increase the number of matches but then it is all for the best.You will have a more competitive and fair tournament and you can abolish the CT which is like an aristocracy-you can think of the second Group Stage as the Real Champions Trophy where teams have to earn a spot-over all better for the development of cricket.
 
That will just make the tournament unnecessarily long. I think we need to reduce the amount of time tournament takes to complete rather than increase it...
 
That will just make the tournament unnecessarily long. I think we need to reduce the amount of time tournament takes to complete rather than increase it...

Just reduce the number of teams from 14 to 12.
And it will be a bit long yes, but more competitive surely ?
 
16 teams - 4 groups - Quarters - Semis - Final

or

12 teams - 3 groups of 4 teams (2 from each group qualify to the next round) - Super Six (Each team play 4 games) - Semis - Final
 
Good suggestion but i will take 3 teams each from two groups and swap the team at third place in each group and give them 2 minus points.
 
I've been mulling over the following to be a potentially decent format:

Round 1
3 groups of 5 teams
Play each other once, top 2 from each group progress
30 group games in total. Play 2 games per day, meaning Round 1 is over in 15 days.

Round 2 - Super Sixes
Similar to previous World Cups.
Teams that qualified from the same group don't play each other again, but points gained from games against other group qualifiers are carried forward to the Super Six.
One match a day, 12 matches = 12 days.

Then have SF and F.

Whole thing should be over in 5 weeks, 1 week shorter than current format. One more associate team, and more meaningful games overall.
 
15 teams

3 groups of 5.

top 2 qualify for the super 8's.

3rd placed team in every group play each other once each in a mini tri series with the top 2 advancing to super 8's.

Super 8's = two groups of 4. Top team reaches final.

India get tonnes of games, big 3 at low risk of being knocked out early, Associates get a shot, win-win situation for everyone.

Group A
Australia
New Zealand
Pakistan
Zimbabwe
Namibia

Group B
India
Sri Lanka
West Indies
Ireland
UAE

Group C
South Africa
England
Bangladesh
Afghanistan
Scotland

Much shorter tournament and its all so simple.

Oh well, 2 month long 10 team group it is
 
Published in a previous thread.............

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Recently, Convict came up with an idea for possible Format of WC 2019. That’s one way of looking at the Format, but honestly speaking, I didn't like it that much. I don’t think 18 team Cricket WC is good for quality cricket, a lot of matches ‘ll be one-sided, may be barring one or two surprises. Also, the length of the tournament might be too long to keep the focus. Considering the WC 2019 to be played in UK, with longer day lights & short travelling distances, what about the following idea?

I had 4 objectives before chalking out the format –

1. To ensure that the best sides are in WC, 4 of the best 5 sides are in SF (unlike 2003) & top 2 sides are in final
2. To ensure that better sides don’t get eliminated just for 1 bad day, alike 2007
3. To ensure that most preliminary group matches are meaningful & every match even against minnows are also accounted for, unlike 1999
4. To ensure that the tournament doesn't become too long like 2007, while at the same time it’s not too stressful for the players & the broadcasting money is maximized

The skeleton is –
- 3 Groups of 4 teams each for Phase 1, total 12 teams – Total matches - 18 (6 X 3)
- Top 3 teams from every group goes to Phase 2, with the group match results between same group teams advanced, carried forward – 9 teams advances to Phase 2
- Each team plays each other in Phase 2, with the results carried forward from Phase 1 matches
- Match played by each team in Phase 2 – 6, match accounted for Phase 2 standing – 8. Total matches – 27 [(9 X 6 )/2]
- Knock Out stages ‘ll be played like IPL Eliminator Format – Top 2 plays for First SF, Bottom 2 for Eliminator. Winner of Eliminator ‘ll take looser of 1st SF for the right of remaining Final Spot. Total matches – 4
- Total WC matches – 49 (18+27+4)
- Total Duration of WC: Phase 1: 10 + 1 day gap. Phase 2: 21 + 1 day gap; KO - 9 days. = 42 days. These is covering conditions:
o Every match has a reserve day, considering the early English summer weather. However, matches ‘ll be carried forward to next day, in case of interruption, rather than a re-start. DWL calculation ‘ll be applicable only after midway on Day 2.
o No team playing 2 matches in consecutive days in any stage, including reserve day (which means, minimum gap between 2 matches is 2 days for every team, in every stage)
o Not more than 2 matches played in a day for avoiding overlapping games
o Total Duration of WC without any reserve days can be brought down to 35 days, or even less to 29, but that ‘ll be excessive for teams in Final (11 or 12 matches in 4 or 5 weeks)

Scheduling considerations for best marketing returns
o Long ENG summer, day matches can start at 9AM, Day/Night Matches at 4/5PM. These ‘ll ensure minimum amount of over laps
o In Phase 1, both group matches are played in same Day. i. e. Group A on Day 1, 4 & 7 with a reserve day follows; Group B – 2, 5 & 8 & Group C 3, 6 & 9. With a reserve day, total duration for Round 1 is 10 days.
o Schedule a Day & a D/N match every day, as much as possible
o Oceania is 10-12 hours ahead of UK, Subcontinent 5-6 hours ahead, Middle-east & Africa by 2 to 3 hours ahead while Caribbean & North America 4-6 hours behind. So schedules have to be as much to accommodate the prime viewing time, which is in between 3PM to 1AM in working days & from 6 AM to 1AM on weekends
o Use the “seed scheduling” instead of “group standing scheduling” for Phase 2, for best possible logistical comfort & financial benefits. The idea used in T20 WC, a brilliant one. Say, in a group of IND, PAK, SRL & BD – teams are seeded as IND 1, PAK 2, SRL, 3 & BD 4. As long as the teams qualify for the Phase 2; their seeding remains intact, regardless of the group standing. If BD qualifies in exchange of say IND; they ‘ll be considered as Seed 1.

The Qualification Round

I like to introduce the WC qualification & a meaningful one – not the joke like ICC Tournament previously or at present.

Take a cutoff – 31st Dec 2017. Top 8 ODI teams automatically qualifies for ENG 2019. Rest 2 Test sides (say BD & ZIM) & rest top 6 ODI sides (Say – AFG, KEN, IRL, SCT, UAE & HOL; may change in 2018) plays a yearlong qualifiers in 2018, may be in 2 groups of 4 each. The format could be home & away (shouldn’t, because of infrastructure, commercial viability or security) or as my preference – 1 group in UK/IRL & ZIM; other group in BD & UAE. Teams playing each other 3 match reverse series & by 31st DEC top 2 of each group goes to main draw. For argument, lets’ take BD, ZIM, IRL & AFG.


The Main Event's Draw

We need to make 3 groups of equal strengths, which mathematically is possible, like following

Rank all 12 teams in order of Standing as of 1st Jan 2019. Say – 1 AUS, 2 IND, 3 PAK, 4 SAF, 5 ENG, 6 SRL, 7 NZL, 8 WI, 9 ZIM, 10 BD, 11 AFG, 12 IRL. Total number equals to 78 (1+2 ….+11+12). Mathematically, every group ‘ll be equal if the position sum is 26 in each group. That can only be done in ONE combination – 1, 12, 6, 7 – 2, 11, 5, 8 – 3, 10, 4, 9.

So the Groups stand with Seeding as

Group A: 1. AUS, 2. SRL, 3. NZL, 4. IRL
Group B: 1. IND, 2. ENG, 3. WI, 4. AFG
Group C: 1. PAK, 2. SAF, 3. ZIM, 4. BD

Ideally, ZIM & BD (9th & 10th) should fight for the last (9th spot) while IRL & AFG ‘ll have to make at least 1 big upset (& not losing the other 2 by big margin) to qualify for Phase 2.

The Phase 1 Schedule must have top 2 seeds & bottom 2 seeds play in the last round Phase 1 match, which ideally should make every match meaningful.

Standings ‘ll be decided by (in order of precedence)

1. Points (2 for win, 1 for tied, no result or abounded)
2. Head to head, in case of 2 teams on same point
3. NRR, rounded up to 2 decimals, in case of 3 or more teams standing on same point
4. If the top 3 can’t separate (near impossible) – initial Tournament seeding

Now, coming to my Objectives set early – let’s cross-check the Format.

Objective 1 & 2: Top 12 teams ‘ll be playing the WC & these 12 teams are qualified over a long period; not through a flash in the pan. For Phase 2, even a team can qualify for last days win, which makes it vulnerable for top teams; however, since 3 out of 4 are advancing; unless a team loses all 3 group matches, it has a chance. The better teams ‘ll have higher chance, because most likely an unseeded team can have an upset, but probably ‘ll have worse NRR from other 2 matches. For 11th & 12th team to progress to Phase 2, they ‘ll have to win 2 matches, most likely – if anyone can do that deserves the promotion. In Phase 2 – almost certainly the top 4 sides ‘ll advance after 8 meaningful matches (Ideally playing against all other top 9 sides once). For KO stage; the IPL method actually covers a sudden bad day or crucial toss for better sides.

Objective 3: This is the beauty of this format. Current format is the most pathetic one. Teams can win 2 matches & then relax/throw/fix some of the preliminary matches & still can go to QF, SF even Final. What does it mean finishing 1 or 4 in a group as long as you are through? OK, I understand, finishing top, one can take the bottom finisher of other group in QF. In 1996 – SAF finished top, PAK 2 & went on to loose against 4th & 3rd side. In 2011 also NZ beat group topper SAF in QF. Cricket isn't like Football where you try to avoid the Group toppers – any of top 8 sides can beat each other on a day.

I believe, in these format - better sides ‘ll not be eliminated only for an odd loss in Phase 1 (At least ‘ll have 1/2 chances – since the last match is between the top 2 seeds); inferior sides ‘ll not advance in Phase 2 on-wards for 1 surprise win. The best part is, making every match accounted for in Phase 1 (Phase 2 on-wards, every match is crucial). Top 2 seeds are playing on last round of Group match, I am sure, in first 2 matches, they ‘ll try to grind the weaker/lower seeds as much as possible to be safe (& cover an odd upset through better NRR); while bottom 2 seeds ‘ll try to make sure the NRR is as good as possible to make an upset meaningful, just in case.

Ideally, I am keeping chances of only 6 matches for an upset or blown out; however, realistically I 'll be surprised to see even a single blown out match; may be just in case 1 or 2 upsets could be there.

Objective 4: 42 days isn't that long, particularly when the last 8/9 days are booked for 4 massive KOs. We can make it 7 days shorter, but as explained, a reserve day is required. Also, I think, this format ‘ll ensure that till the last match of Phase 1, everyone in keen & all 12 teams are in contention for Phase 2. In Phase 2, at least 4 to 6 teams ‘ll be still in contention for KOs on last round. Even, sides that have confirmed top 4 positions in Phase 2 earlier, ‘ll try their best to finish in top 2 to make KO stage easier.
 
Just reduce the number of teams from 14 to 12.
And it will be a bit long yes, but more competitive surely ?

Even if it's competitive, long tournaments just become very boring. I quite like the current WC format, though it needs to be made shorter somehow.
 
I've been mulling over the following to be a potentially decent format:

Round 1
3 groups of 5 teams
Play each other once, top 2 from each group progress
30 group games in total. Play 2 games per day, meaning Round 1 is over in 15 days.

Round 2 - Super Sixes
Similar to previous World Cups.
Teams that qualified from the same group don't play each other again, but points gained from games against other group qualifiers are carried forward to the Super Six.
One match a day, 12 matches = 12 days.

Then have SF and F.

Whole thing should be over in 5 weeks, 1 week shorter than current format. One more associate team, and more meaningful games overall.

I like this, short and sweet, though I doubt ICC would want to have 2 matches every day for the group stages...
 
6 teams in two groups = 30 matches
4 teams in two groups = 12 matches
2 semies = 2 matches
1 final = 1 match

total = 45 matches that is almost equal to the current format i guess a nice suggestion inclusion of minnows and competitive :)
 
A world cup must serve both purposes - expansion of the sport & revenue genration

In this format of 20 teams in 5 groups of 4, followed by super 10 in 2 groups of 5, the world cup will be 53 ODIs, good enough for globalisation, short enough to keep it interesting and the super 10s to generate revenue

The groups will look something like

Pool A - Australia (1), Zimbabwe (10), Ireland (11), Nepal (20)
Pool B - India (2), Bangladesh (9), Afghanistan (12), Namibia (19)
Pool C - Sri Lanka (3), West Indies (8), Scotland (13), Kenya (18)
Pool D - South Africa (4), Pakistan (7), UAE (14), Netherlands (17)
Pool E - New Zealand (5), England (6), Hong Kong (15), PNG (16)

Top 2 from each qualify for Super 10s. The associates also have a chance to qualify for Super 10s. And in the 1st round, the associates play the big teams, which should be the main purpose of a world cup. The Super 10s has big teams play each other, something which the ICC & the broadcasters want

Super 10s will look something like

Pool F - A1, B2, C1, D2, E1 - Most likely AUS, BAN, SL, PAK, NZ
Pool G - A2, B1, C2, D1, E2 - Most likely IRE, IND, WI, SA, ENG

20 team format followed by super 10 is good. hope the ICC looks into this format for 2019 WC

Total of 30 matches in group stage, 20 matches in Super 10s and then semis & final. 30+20+2+1 = 53 ODIs

Total length = 15 days for group stage, 16 days for Super 10s (2 matches in weekends, 1 match in weekday), 3 days knockouts. 1 day gap before Super 10s. 1 day gap before semis & 1 day gap before final. 15+16+3+3 = 37 days, much more shorter than most formats suggested

1st round spreads cricket everywhere in the world, 2nd round gives ICC & broadcasters what they want
 
A world cup must serve both purposes - expansion of the sport & revenue genration

In this format of 20 teams in 5 groups of 4, followed by super 10 in 2 groups of 5, the world cup will be 53 ODIs, good enough for globalisation, short enough to keep it interesting and the super 10s to generate revenue

The groups will look something like

Pool A - Australia (1), Zimbabwe (10), Ireland (11), Nepal (20)
Pool B - India (2), Bangladesh (9), Afghanistan (12), Namibia (19)
Pool C - Sri Lanka (3), West Indies (8), Scotland (13), Kenya (18)
Pool D - South Africa (4), Pakistan (7), UAE (14), Netherlands (17)
Pool E - New Zealand (5), England (6), Hong Kong (15), PNG (16)

Top 2 from each qualify for Super 10s. The associates also have a chance to qualify for Super 10s. And in the 1st round, the associates play the big teams, which should be the main purpose of a world cup. The Super 10s has big teams play each other, something which the ICC & the broadcasters want

Super 10s will look something like

Pool F - A1, B2, C1, D2, E1 - Most likely AUS, BAN, SL, PAK, NZ
Pool G - A2, B1, C2, D1, E2 - Most likely IRE, IND, WI, SA, ENG

20 team format followed by super 10 is good. hope the ICC looks into this format for 2019 WC

Total of 30 matches in group stage, 20 matches in Super 10s and then semis & final. 30+20+2+1 = 53 ODIs

Total length = 15 days for group stage, 16 days for Super 10s (2 matches in weekends, 1 match in weekday), 3 days knockouts. 1 day gap before Super 10s. 1 day gap before semis & 1 day gap before final. 15+16+3+3 = 37 days, much more shorter than most formats suggested

1st round spreads cricket everywhere in the world, 2nd round gives ICC & broadcasters what they want
Ideal man this would be fun 2 watch teams like nepal png would get exposure ...super 10 would be brilliant..possibility of top 8 teams being knocked out before super 10 is about 0 ...icc should look into this may be semis can replacd with ipl style play offs
Q 1- 1 v 2
E - 3 v 4
Q 2 - losser Q 1 vs winner of E
F- w Q1 vs w Q2
Icc should may be allow a 20 man squad instead of 15 because of more matches
But this would be the best ever format and probably the. Best ever WC
 
15 teams

3 groups of 5.

top 2 qualify for the super 8's.

3rd placed team in every group play each other once each in a mini tri series with the top 2 advancing to super 8's.

Super 8's = two groups of 4. Top team reaches final.

India get tonnes of games, big 3 at low risk of being knocked out early, Associates get a shot, win-win situation for everyone.

Group A
Australia
New Zealand
Pakistan
Zimbabwe
Namibia

Group B
India
Sri Lanka
West Indies
Ireland
UAE

Group C
South Africa
England
Bangladesh
Afghanistan
Scotland

Much shorter tournament and its all so simple. ..
I kinda like this idea. With the exception of choosing the two from the 3 third placed teams. Among those three third place team the top point getter should have an auto qualification as the #7 team. The remaining two duels out on who qualifies as the #8.
or you can choose the better performed team among those two if eliminating games and tournament length is a concern.
 
My suggestion actually increases the number of teams from 14 to 16!

It would consist of 2 groups of 8 teams each. In the first group(group a) it would include the top 8 ranked test teams. Which currently would be Aus, SA, India, NZ, Pak, Eng, WI, Sri Lanka.
The 2nd group(group b) would include the bottom 2 test teams, Currently Bangla and Zimbabwe plus the top 6 associate ranked teams.

In both groups every team would play each other in round robin. In the group a the top 3 teams would automatically qualify for semi finals. and in group b the top 2 finishing teams would play off to give the group b winner. And then The winner of Group b would face off against the 4th finishing team from group a in essentially what would amount to a quater final.

I think a format like this could make all games competitive and give associate teams a genuine chance to reach the semi final. Plus there would be less of chance of too many one sided games....
Group b doesnt have to be 8 teams, it could quite easily be 6 or 7, but with the top 2 teams at the end of matches playing a knockout match to decide who plays the 4th team from group a for a semi final spot.
 
Just 10 teams, no groups and just play each other. Top 8 automatically qualify and associates should get the chance to qualify by competing with 9th and 10th ranked team.

Current format is rubbish
 
One thing I like for sure ... WC Final should be a best of three games to reduce the luck element out of it and increase the probability of the better team actually win the game.
 
One thing I like for sure ... WC Final should be a best of three games to reduce the luck element out of it and increase the probability of the better team actually win the game.

But that takes the fun out of GRAND FINALE. I thought to filter the best 2 teams, IPL eliminator model was perfect & than let the lady luck choose the better among the top 2. What do you think about my format?
 
I think this format is fine but the quarter finals are too easy for the #1 in each group.

The problem is that the A1 vs B4 and B1 vs A4. This caused india to face Bangladesh which made it an easy win for them. NZ faced possibly the worst test nation in this world cup

A solution is to make A1 vs B2, A2 vs B1, A3 vs B4 and A4 vs B3.

If that was used instead our quarter finals would have been NZ vs SA, IND vs AUS, SL vs WI and PAK vs BAN

This also makes a more interesting final 4 because everybody predicted NZ, SA, IND, AUS to be in semis. If this was used it could have made semi finalists NZ, IND, SL and PAK. This could have made it totally different from right now because 2 of our semi finalists right now would be knocked out in the quarters.

Just a suggestion though.
 
I think this format is fine but the quarter finals are too easy for the #1 in each group.

The problem is that the A1 vs B4 and B1 vs A4. This caused india to face Bangladesh which made it an easy win for them. NZ faced possibly the worst test nation in this world cup

A solution is to make A1 vs B2, A2 vs B1, A3 vs B4 and A4 vs B3.

If that was used instead our quarter finals would have been NZ vs SA, IND vs AUS, SL vs WI and PAK vs BAN

This also makes a more interesting final 4 because everybody predicted NZ, SA, IND, AUS to be in semis. If this was used it could have made semi finalists NZ, IND, SL and PAK. This could have made it totally different from right now because 2 of our semi finalists right now would be knocked out in the quarters.

Just a suggestion though.

LOL that is the most stupid idea. Why would any team want to finish at first or second in their group, knowing that they will face tougher opponent?
 
Anyways, this is the format I have been thinking about:

18 teams, six groups of 3. (18 matches)
2 from each group progress to next phase. There, we have two groups of 6 each. (30 matches)
Semis and final. (3 matches)

Total of 51 matches. Will give exposure to associates. Plus, there will be an added incentive as the top associates will have the chance to progress to next phase. Also, only two teams progressing from each group in second phase will make each game valuable.
 
How about having an IPL like format (Playoffs) in World Cup 2019?

With only 10 teams in the next world cup ..do u think this could be an excellent format to ascertain the most consistent team. A bad day at office spoiling the party is atrocious & unfair really.

Format -

• A single pool with all the teams playing a match each with one another.
• Team ranked one 1 and Team 2 will play each other in the '1st Qualifier'.
• Team 3 and team 4 will face-off in what is called the 'Eliminator'. The team that loses here will be knocked out, but the winner will need to cross another hurdle before making it to the finals
• The winner of the 1st Qualifier will progress to the final; however the losing team of the '1st Qualifier' will play the winning team of the 'Eliminator' in what is called the '2nd Qualifier'.
 
The no. 1 team already gets an advantage by playing the weakest team in the other group, so don't think this playoff thing is necessary.
 
The no. 1 team already gets an advantage by playing the weakest team in the other group, so don't think this playoff thing is necessary.
But no suxh weak team will be in top 4 ...top 2 teams should be given two Chance's to reach final

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But no suxh weak team will be in top 4 ...top 2 teams should be given two Chance's to reach final

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Just recently the groups were as follows:

A- NZ, Aus, SL and BD.

B- Ind, SA, Pak and WI.

If you ask both the NZ and Ind teams whom would they rather face in the quarters, they both would have said the no. 4 positioned team in the other group.

Most often than not, the weaker teams finish 4th.
 
Just recently the groups were as follows:

A- NZ, Aus, SL and BD.

B- Ind, SA, Pak and WI.

If you ask both the NZ and Ind teams whom would they rather face in the quarters, they both would have said the no. 4 positioned team in the other group.

Most often than not, the weaker teams finish 4th.
In 2019 there will only be one group which means a/c to ranking top 4 teams will be
Aus
Ind
Sa
NZ
So no suxh weak team Nz can beat Aus on a given day , Sa can also beat Ind
Instead Aus and Ind should be given two chances to reach Final which means Aus play Ind , and winner goes directly into Final where as loser plays the winner of Nz Sa Match , so winner of That match goes to Final.

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The other group doesnt exist actually...just one pool

In 2019 there will only be one group which means a/c to ranking top 4 teams will be
Aus
Ind
Sa
NZ
So no suxh weak team Nz can beat Aus on a given day , Sa can also beat Ind
Instead Aus and Ind should be given two chances to reach Final which means Aus play Ind , and winner goes directly into Final where as loser plays the winner of Nz Sa Match , so winner of That match goes to Final.

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So, there are going to be 10 teams in the same group?

Basically, 9 games per team and that would drag the tournament along even further, but there have been a lot complaints about the WC being so lengthy, so don't think they will go with one group.

Most likely, it will be 5 teams per group.
 
So, there are going to be 10 teams in the same group?

Basically, 9 games per team and that would drag the tournament along even further, but there have been a lot complaints about the WC being so lengthy, so don't think they will go with one group.

Most likely, it will be 5 teams per group.
Icc has already said that there will only be 1 pool there will be a total of 48 matches 1 less than this Wc and also there will be only 2 minows so most matches will be b/w top team

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Icc has already said that there will only be 1 pool there will be a total of 48 matches 1 less than this Wc and also there will be only 2 minows so most matches will be b/w top team

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Any source to confirm?

The fact that there will only be 1 game less than this edition tells you of the shambolic format.

Even after culling 4 teams, they will only play 1 less game than the 2015 WC? :facepalm:
 
Any source to confirm?

The fact that there will only be 1 game less than this edition tells you of the shambolic format.

Even after culling 4 teams, they will only play 1 less game than the 2015 WC? :facepalm:

After culling 4 teams they will play three more group matches
 
After culling 4 teams they will play three more group matches

Which makes no sense because many of us have been harping on about the length of the tournament and they get rid of 4 teams but yet, it is still being dragged along.

Yeah, it will be more competitive, but that won't address the main problem of it being too long.
 
It should certainly be more competitive & fair. Besides, giving ample confidence to non-regular teams.

Having multiple matches each day perhaps help to curtail the time.
 
IPL style playoffs will be good

Keep 14 teams in 2019 WC, but after the group stages, have playoffs

Qualifier 1: A1 v B2
Qualifier 2: A2 v B1

Eliminator 1: A3 v B4
Eliminator 2: A4 v B3

Qualifier 3: Loser Q1 v Winner E1
Qualifier 4: Loser Q2 v Winner E2

Semi Final 1: Winner Q1 v Winner Q4
Semi Final 2: Winner Q2 v Winner Q3

Final

This will increase matches by 2, but group stages will be meaningful and will value finishing higher in the group. If this was used for 2015, we would have

Q1: NZ v SA
Q2: AUS v IND

E1: SL v WI
E2: BAN v PAK

Q3: LQ1 v WE1 (SA v SL)
Q4: LQ2 v WE2 (IND v PAK)

SF1: WQ1 v WQ4 (NZ v IND)
SF2: WQ2 v WQ3 (AUS v SA)

Final
 
2019 is a much better format than 2011 or 2015. It's like the 1992 format with 10 teams. Besides, they have made it even better - top 8 teams qualifies (actually 7, ENG qualifies as host), next 6 teams fights for the 2 spots - fair enough. As it stands today, AUS, SAF, NZ, IND, SRL, PAK, NZ & ENG qualifies automatically & BD, ZIM, IRL, AFG, SCT & UAE fight it out for 2 spots. My only concern is the qualifiers has to be extended & conclusive enough. It shouldn't end up as a KO selection.

10 teams - each playing each others : 45 matches (10C2 or 10P2/2 = 45)
2 SF & the Final at Lords.

Ideally, that WC could be finished in 35 days, if they overlap Day & D/N matches. In summer, ENG enjoys playing light for 16 hours - so they can arrange a Day match from 9 AM, & the D/N match from 4PM; reducing the over lap time to minimum.

Only tough part is, top 4 teams 'll be playing 11 matches in 35 days (or everyone 9 in 29 days). That's also can be covered easily by allowing 18 players squad. Teams can rotate their squad (mainly bowlers) & utilize full squad to rest key players for big matches.

I am quite impressed with the WC format - only 10/12 countries play cricket seriously & top 10 to play in WC. If WC is a stage to promote teams, then FIFA 'll have to arrange a 128 teams WC. May be ICC can arrange bilateral series between the bottom 6 sides (as of Dec 31, 2017 cut off) throughout 2018 to March 2019 & pick the best 2 sides as 9th & 10th entry.
 
I'm happy with the 2019 World Cup format. Can't stand good-for-nothing associates.
 
This would be good as the team that emerges victorious will truly be a world champion and not a champion of the 3 or 4 teams that crossed its path.


A group based system would have made system if we had 32 teams like the FIFA WC, but when you have only 10 teams and 5-6 of them are close to each other in terms of winning ability then you need a playoff type system
 
Since the ICC are meeting in early April I think and one of the major topics of discussion is the world cup format for 2019, I figured I'd make a thread so we can discuss the format on its own.

Richardson has stated that the agreement the ICC has made with the TV companies was on the basis of the 10 team format being used in 2019, but honestly I think the money generated will be massive even if the format is changed.

Anyway, let us look at the facts of a ten team world cup.....

1. This format will irreversibly damage the game of cricket in several if not all of the mid to high ranked tier countries at Associate level. Ireland will have nothing to aim for, Scotland will struggle to get any new fans to the game and also will struggle to keep hold of the current base, ditto with the Netherlands. All the progress Namibia have made by being part of South Africa's domestic system will be in vain, Afghanistan will hit a glass ceiling and regress, Nepal will regress, PNG will have nothing to build towards anymore. You get the point.

2. This format goes against everything a world cup and the ICC itself as an organisation is supposed to stand for

The ICC mission goal states the strategic direction of the organisation is...

"A bigger, better, global game targeting more players, more fans, more competitive teams.

Our long-term success will be judged on growth in participation and public interest and the competitiveness of teams participating in men's and women's international cricket."

How do they expect to achieve this by cutting the teams by 4?? How will the game become more global when the top upcoming nations are being cut down without being given a chance? How will more competitive teams arise without adequate support? How will more fans be attracted to a smaller event? How will Associate boards attract more players and fans when they have zero glamour fixtures to sell or world cups to take part in?

As to the second paragraph, well that seems to be an admission by the ICC itself that its own actions arent in the best interests of the sport or the organisation itself!

The ICC also states....

"As the international governing body for cricket, the International Cricket Council will lead by:

Providing a world class environment for international cricket
Delivering 'major' events across three formats
Providing targeted support to Members
Promoting the global game"

Where is the targeted support and fixtures for the Associate teams now that the world cup is over? Where are the fixtures they have regularly been promised? How is 10 teams promoting the global game??


Finally, it states that the ICC's values are....


The ICC's actions and people are guided by the following values:

Fairness and Integrity
Excellence
Accountability
Teamwork
Respect for diversity
Commitment to the global game and its great spirit"

Where is the accountability for the corruption endemic in the PCB,BCCI,SLCB,BCB,ZCB,WICB??
Where is the commitment to the global game when the top Associate nation gets 9 ODI's vs full members in 4 years whereas the 10th full member who lost to said Associate got more ODI's in the 4 months preceding the event?

Where was the fairness and integrity in 2007, when an Irish team who made it to the super 8's received 50,000 dollars in prize money whereas the Pakistani team who were knocked out after a week received 11 million US dollars? How is that fair?

2. At most there is 1 qualification spot available.

By handing Bangladesh the hosting rights to the ICC cricket world qualifiers in 2018 the ICC have practically ensured that, even if Bangladesh remain in the bottom 2 rankings, they are practically guaranteed a knock out spot. That means realistically there will be 1 spot up for grabs between Ireland,Scotland,Afghanistan and Zimbabwe. All of those teams, with the arguable exception of Scotland, contributed massively to the group stages of the past event and were the few things keeping it remotely interesting.

3. Associates are getting scapegoated by their own organisation.

The most prominent and valid complaints of the current cricket world cup format are that...

- Its too long
- Its too predictable

The tournament most certainly stretches on too long with 45 or so days being the official length, However none of that lies at the Associates feet. Nothing is stopping the ICC having 2 games per day, at least on weekends, with the less glamorous tie being on in the morning and the bigger money spinner being on in the evening. Its not a difficult task to achieve. Any overlap can be solved by doing as they did in 2015 and putting the first game on the red button. Why the qualifiers are being blamed for the organising of the event is beyond me.

The killer point however is, that this 10 team format that everyone is advocating PURELY for nostalgic reasons (1992) will actually ADD to the length of the tournament and will also INCREASE the number of games. The ICC have not addressed a single complaint of the current format, they've just harped on about competitiveness and everyone is too blind to notice. In 1992 this worked as the teams were much more evenly matched than today.

Not only this, but the argument that the Associates suck is a) untrue as Ireland showed and b) not valid as the Associates are being given zero help by their fellow boards in terms of fixtures. Why was funding to the BCCI (by 400 million) the ECB and CA being increased while the Associates as a whole are losing out on a massive 300 million dollars? Where is the ambition to spreading the game here??
As someone said on cricinfo, "In the space of one game you are asking Associates to face,adapt to and dominate Mitchell Starc yorkers". Why not give these teams A tours, warm up games of neighbour full member tour or just more games? Why the reluctance? Money plays a factor but at some point the ICC must place long term gains over short term profit.

4. The ICC have tried this before

In 2011. no less than a week after arguably the best world cup had drawn to a conclusion, the ICC announced that this 2015 edition would have been a closed shop, with no qualifying venue and only the ten full members taking part. This despite Ireland being ranked ahead of Zimbabwe in the rankings at the time. They backtracked on that.

Now, this edition has been bashed for being very one-sided (Despite the fact that group B was wide open till the last ball). I want you to picture this.

Australia
NZ
India
SA
Sri Lanka
Pakistan
England
West Indies
Bangladesh
Zimbabwe.

That would have been the line-up for this event if not for the backlash in 2011. Now, look at the bottom 6 teams. Of all of those, only Pakistan won a single match vs the big 4. The rest lost comfortably bar Bangladesh. Do you honestly think, a massive group of 10 where the top 4 sides are leagues ahead of the rest will be anything other than one long winded bore fest?? Look at the line up above and tell me the group stage wouldnt have been over after the first 4 rounds of matches.

The format needs changing but at the same time India need a lot of matches so the ICC can get as much lovely cash as possible. Why not 3 groups of 5? Or 2 groups of 6 even?

Cricket as a whole needs to make a choice. Do you want a world event with exciting games and upsets? Or do you want as easy a ride as humanely possible to the knock-outs. Any time we have the former, teams moan about an unfair group stage where one loss sends you home. Any time we have the latter, the same teams moan about the small teams and demand they be knocked out and a 10 team WC used, even though all it serves is to make things just as boring.

The Champions Trophy is preferred by some not due to the teams taking part, but because every game matters. We tried that in 2007 and got a huge backlash. Something tells me if in 2016 India get knocked out in the group stage the CT will change to an 8 team group, at which point the few people who value that competition will lose interest.

I refuse to stay quiet and let the ICC try and destroy the team that have added so much to cricket in the last 8 years. I refuse to let them destroy the ambitions of other teams like Afghanistan and Nepal who in future can have a lot to offer the game.

In a couple days when, as I expect, the 10 team format is rubber stamped, I want you to picture Bangalore 2011, Dunedin 2015, Nelson 2015, Nairobi in 2003, Port of Spain 2007 and Kingston in 2007 and remind yourselves that scenes like that will never ever be repeated again due to the actions of an organisation who promised to deliver "A bigger, better, global game targeting more players, more fans, more competitive teams" and ask yourselves why this was let happen and why not a single full member board has asked questions.

Thanks for making it this far :))
 
One negative aspect people complain about the tournament being too long - I ask you , How long are the FIFA cups ? How long do the olympics take ? This is the only true global cricket tournament - 5 week's is not too long for that . Please stop requesting for it to be shortened.
 
@ Donal Cozzie

Nice read Donal, took time to read properly.

I understand your point - if you had gone through my post, would have seen a 12 team format, which probably would have covered both sides.

For 2019, I understand the logic of ICC. Cricket is an unfortunate game where 80% revenue is generated from the participation of 1 country, in fact if you add PAK & BD; this 'll reach close to 90%. The more these 3 teams stay in tournament, the higher the revenue 'll be - not only from these 3 countries, but about 100mn expats from these 3 countries across world.

In any format, ICC can't garuntee that IND, PAK & particularly BD 'll be in last stages. Obviously IND, PAK has a much better chance, but that didn't work in 2007; IND could have lost the QF both in 2011 & 2015..... Besides in current format, to be honest, there are only 7 business matches, may be another few quality matches.

2019 format ensures

1. Quality matches - even if I take BD & ZIM/IRL 'll be as weak as they are perceived, only 17 "soft" matches
2. Teams like IND, PAK or even BD can be kept alive till the last week, may be by twisting the fixture a bit. Say IND & PAK taking on BD, ZIM/IRL, WI & SRL in first 5 matches & IND-PAK match at the dead end - I can guarantee, IND/PAK if is eliminated before SF, it 'll be on last round.............. no other format 'll ensure that.
3. Hard fought competition - 1/4, 2/3 is the SF pairing - every team 'll try to crash minnows & win as hard as possible every match, because, I think, at the end NRR 'll decide the 1, 2, 3 & 4th position
4. Length of the tournament - I think, they 'll be able to finish the tournament in 35 - 38 days. IPL final 'll be over by mid May, while ECB 'll not sacrifice their home season, so basically, we have an window of last week of May to 1st week of July.

However, I would have liked the qualifier to be played at IRL or Scotland (or both) rather than BD - that's logical, the 2 sides best in similar to WC condition should advance; best was home & away for top 6 teams (9th to 14th), but that's probably unmanageable.

By the way - I 'll take any friendly bet here : If top 8 sides qualify automatically, Bangladesh 'll not play in qualifiers in 2019, but 'll play in WC. That makes more logical that the qualifiers shouldn't have been in BD (I agree, ICC kept it there as double check).
 
Since the ICC are meeting in early April I think and one of the major topics of discussion is the world cup format for 2019, I figured I'd make a thread so we can discuss the format on its own.

Richardson has stated that the agreement the ICC has made with the TV companies was on the basis of the 10 team format being used in 2019, but honestly I think the money generated will be massive even if the format is changed.

Anyway, let us look at the facts of a ten team world cup.....

1. This format will irreversibly damage the game of cricket in several if not all of the mid to high ranked tier countries at Associate level. Ireland will have nothing to aim for, Scotland will struggle to get any new fans to the game and also will struggle to keep hold of the current base, ditto with the Netherlands. All the progress Namibia have made by being part of South Africa's domestic system will be in vain, Afghanistan will hit a glass ceiling and regress, Nepal will regress, PNG will have nothing to build towards anymore. You get the point.

2. This format goes against everything a world cup and the ICC itself as an organisation is supposed to stand for

The ICC mission goal states the strategic direction of the organisation is...

"A bigger, better, global game targeting more players, more fans, more competitive teams.

Our long-term success will be judged on growth in participation and public interest and the competitiveness of teams participating in men's and women's international cricket."

How do they expect to achieve this by cutting the teams by 4?? How will the game become more global when the top upcoming nations are being cut down without being given a chance? How will more competitive teams arise without adequate support? How will more fans be attracted to a smaller event? How will Associate boards attract more players and fans when they have zero glamour fixtures to sell or world cups to take part in?

As to the second paragraph, well that seems to be an admission by the ICC itself that its own actions arent in the best interests of the sport or the organisation itself!

The ICC also states....

"As the international governing body for cricket, the International Cricket Council will lead by:

Providing a world class environment for international cricket
Delivering 'major' events across three formats
Providing targeted support to Members
Promoting the global game"

Where is the targeted support and fixtures for the Associate teams now that the world cup is over? Where are the fixtures they have regularly been promised? How is 10 teams promoting the global game??


Finally, it states that the ICC's values are....


The ICC's actions and people are guided by the following values:

Fairness and Integrity
Excellence
Accountability
Teamwork
Respect for diversity
Commitment to the global game and its great spirit"

Where is the accountability for the corruption endemic in the PCB,BCCI,SLCB,BCB,ZCB,WICB??
Where is the commitment to the global game when the top Associate nation gets 9 ODI's vs full members in 4 years whereas the 10th full member who lost to said Associate got more ODI's in the 4 months preceding the event?

Where was the fairness and integrity in 2007, when an Irish team who made it to the super 8's received 50,000 dollars in prize money whereas the Pakistani team who were knocked out after a week received 11 million US dollars? How is that fair?

2. At most there is 1 qualification spot available.

By handing Bangladesh the hosting rights to the ICC cricket world qualifiers in 2018 the ICC have practically ensured that, even if Bangladesh remain in the bottom 2 rankings, they are practically guaranteed a knock out spot. That means realistically there will be 1 spot up for grabs between Ireland,Scotland,Afghanistan and Zimbabwe. All of those teams, with the arguable exception of Scotland, contributed massively to the group stages of the past event and were the few things keeping it remotely interesting.

3. Associates are getting scapegoated by their own organisation.

The most prominent and valid complaints of the current cricket world cup format are that...

- Its too long
- Its too predictable

The tournament most certainly stretches on too long with 45 or so days being the official length, However none of that lies at the Associates feet. Nothing is stopping the ICC having 2 games per day, at least on weekends, with the less glamorous tie being on in the morning and the bigger money spinner being on in the evening. Its not a difficult task to achieve. Any overlap can be solved by doing as they did in 2015 and putting the first game on the red button. Why the qualifiers are being blamed for the organising of the event is beyond me.

The killer point however is, that this 10 team format that everyone is advocating PURELY for nostalgic reasons (1992) will actually ADD to the length of the tournament and will also INCREASE the number of games. The ICC have not addressed a single complaint of the current format, they've just harped on about competitiveness and everyone is too blind to notice. In 1992 this worked as the teams were much more evenly matched than today.

Not only this, but the argument that the Associates suck is a) untrue as Ireland showed and b) not valid as the Associates are being given zero help by their fellow boards in terms of fixtures. Why was funding to the BCCI (by 400 million) the ECB and CA being increased while the Associates as a whole are losing out on a massive 300 million dollars? Where is the ambition to spreading the game here??
As someone said on cricinfo, "In the space of one game you are asking Associates to face,adapt to and dominate Mitchell Starc yorkers". Why not give these teams A tours, warm up games of neighbour full member tour or just more games? Why the reluctance? Money plays a factor but at some point the ICC must place long term gains over short term profit.

4. The ICC have tried this before

In 2011. no less than a week after arguably the best world cup had drawn to a conclusion, the ICC announced that this 2015 edition would have been a closed shop, with no qualifying venue and only the ten full members taking part. This despite Ireland being ranked ahead of Zimbabwe in the rankings at the time. They backtracked on that.

Now, this edition has been bashed for being very one-sided (Despite the fact that group B was wide open till the last ball). I want you to picture this.

Australia
NZ
India
SA
Sri Lanka
Pakistan
England
West Indies
Bangladesh
Zimbabwe.

That would have been the line-up for this event if not for the backlash in 2011. Now, look at the bottom 6 teams. Of all of those, only Pakistan won a single match vs the big 4. The rest lost comfortably bar Bangladesh. Do you honestly think, a massive group of 10 where the top 4 sides are leagues ahead of the rest will be anything other than one long winded bore fest?? Look at the line up above and tell me the group stage wouldnt have been over after the first 4 rounds of matches.

The format needs changing but at the same time India need a lot of matches so the ICC can get as much lovely cash as possible. Why not 3 groups of 5? Or 2 groups of 6 even?

Cricket as a whole needs to make a choice. Do you want a world event with exciting games and upsets? Or do you want as easy a ride as humanely possible to the knock-outs. Any time we have the former, teams moan about an unfair group stage where one loss sends you home. Any time we have the latter, the same teams moan about the small teams and demand they be knocked out and a 10 team WC used, even though all it serves is to make things just as boring.

The Champions Trophy is preferred by some not due to the teams taking part, but because every game matters. We tried that in 2007 and got a huge backlash. Something tells me if in 2016 India get knocked out in the group stage the CT will change to an 8 team group, at which point the few people who value that competition will lose interest.

I refuse to stay quiet and let the ICC try and destroy the team that have added so much to cricket in the last 8 years. I refuse to let them destroy the ambitions of other teams like Afghanistan and Nepal who in future can have a lot to offer the game.

In a couple days when, as I expect, the 10 team format is rubber stamped, I want you to picture Bangalore 2011, Dunedin 2015, Nelson 2015, Nairobi in 2003, Port of Spain 2007 and Kingston in 2007 and remind yourselves that scenes like that will never ever be repeated again due to the actions of an organisation who promised to deliver "A bigger, better, global game targeting more players, more fans, more competitive teams" and ask yourselves why this was let happen and why not a single full member board has asked questions.

Thanks for making it this far :))

Well said. U should see the 20 teams format I posted above

The Super 10 stage is the money spinning stage whereas the 1st round is to celebrate the true essence of cricket, make the whole world feel they are a part of cricket. Have people from everywhere the world know what cricket is, while giving ICC a dream Super 10 stage to have big teams play each other & make loads of money

amit said:
A world cup must serve both purposes - expansion of the sport & revenue genration

In this format of 20 teams in 5 groups of 4, followed by super 10 in 2 groups of 5, the world cup will be 53 ODIs, good enough for globalisation, short enough to keep it interesting and the super 10s to generate revenue

The groups will look something like

Pool A - Australia (1), Zimbabwe (10), Ireland (11), Nepal (20)
Pool B - India (2), Bangladesh (9), Afghanistan (12), Namibia (19)
Pool C - Sri Lanka (3), West Indies (8), Scotland (13), Kenya (18)
Pool D - South Africa (4), Pakistan (7), UAE (14), Netherlands (17)
Pool E - New Zealand (5), England (6), Hong Kong (15), PNG (16)

Top 2 from each qualify for Super 10s. The associates also have a chance to qualify for Super 10s. And in the 1st round, the associates play the big teams, which should be the main purpose of a world cup. The Super 10s has big teams play each other, something which the ICC & the broadcasters want

Super 10s will look something like

Pool F - A1, B2, C1, D2, E1 - Most likely AUS, BAN, SL, PAK, NZ
Pool G - A2, B1, C2, D1, E2 - Most likely IRE, IND, WI, SA, ENG

20 team format followed by super 10 is good. hope the ICC looks into this format for 2019 WC

Total of 30 matches in group stage, 20 matches in Super 10s and then semis & final. 30+20+2+1 = 53 ODIs

Total length = 15 days for group stage, 16 days for Super 10s (2 matches in weekends, 1 match in weekday), 3 days knockouts. 1 day gap before Super 10s. 1 day gap before semis & 1 day gap before final. 15+16+3+3 = 37 days, much more shorter than most formats suggested

1st round spreads cricket everywhere in the world, 2nd round gives ICC & broadcasters what they want
 
Hear hear.

All the myths about associates have been proved wrong.

"Associates make the tournament too long"

The 32 team Football World Cup is shorter than the 14 team Cricket World Cup.

"World Cup participation won't help their development, the associates should have more bilaterals with the top nations"

OK, why scrap the FTP then ? ICC could've guaranteed them games against top sides. Let's see the Big Three nations go and organise a series with Ireland then. When was the last time India or Australia hosted Bangladesh for a series ? Its only Pakistan and West Indies who seem to have regular series with the likes of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

"The associates won't draw crowds"

Its not like people are flocking in their thousands to watch the top nations right now. Watch a Test series in places like the West Indies, South Africa, New Zealand, UAE and one can clearly see the crowds are dwindled. A new cricketing country coming along will surely generate a new audience with fresh faces and fresh competition ?

There is a large Irish community here in the UK, would it not make sense for England to invite Ireland for an ODI series or a T20 series ?

Cricket has to be a global sport to survive, not just the plaything of the old British colonies. All these ex-players supporting a 10 team World Cup quite understandably don't want to rock the Big Three/ICC boat. After all, those highly paid commentary jobs for the IPL and Big Bash are hard to turn down I'm sure.

ICC are destroying the hopes, dreams and aspirations of young Irish cricketers, Afghan cricketers and all the other young players in the associate/affiliate countries. Who wants to get into cricket now once you take away the goal of participating in a World Cup ? They're ripping the heart and soul out of cricket. Look at FIFA, for all their many flaws they actually want to expand football.

Thanks to the Big Three, the percentage of ICC revenue awarded to all non-Test playing nations – that is, the 95 Associate and Affiliate members of the ICC – halved. So nobody believes ICC's hired monkey Dave Richardson when he blatantly lies about wanting to expand the game. An ordinary bilateral series is hardly going to get the adrenaline flowing, but a World Cup is something special and allows you to make a name for yourself in front of a worldwide audience. 10 teams my foot. I hope the associates take the ICC to court like they threatened to do last time ICC proposed a 10 team World Cup and take them to the cleaners. Go to the Court of Arbitration for Sport and expose ICC to the whole world and get some justice out of this sordid affair.
 
Game should grow not go backward 10 team wont be a nice idea
in my view have 16 teams of 4 groups like in 2007 but only change should be that instead of Super 8 , Quarter Finals should be next round . More teams and less meaningless matches in group stage and also have knock out games
 
Just thought I'd mention that contrary to a few comments in this thread the most likely start time for the WC matches over here will be 10:30 and 2:00 for the floodlit games. That's GMT+1 time for anyone interested.
 
If we start having 32 teams in cricket world cup, something which can be done after 20-30 years from now, we will have 63 ODIs in world cup & still have a shorter world cup than 2015 with 2 matches in a day in group stages & 1 match in a day in knockouts. About 40 days, so increase in number of teams, does not mean longer world cup

It is better scheduling which is needed. The 10 team "world" cup in 2019 is going to be 3 days longer than this world cup and will have loads of mismatches & dead rubbers
 
Because alternatively having the likes of Australia v Nigeria would be much more entertaining :irfan?
 
Because alternatively having the likes of Australia v Nigeria would be much more entertaining :irfan?

2-3 such matches in a world cup which happens once in 4 years is acceptable
 
How about having 20 teams in 5 groups of 4 and then a long Super 10 stage with 40 matches. Same format as 2007, but with 20 teams & Associates will not feel left out. This will mean total of 73 matches, but have 3 matches a day in group stages. Base some of the 1st round groups in Ireland, Scotland & Netherlands as well, so that players don't have to travel in the 1st round and Ireland, Scotland & Netherlands can make some profit too. The 30 matches in 1st round done in just 10 days. Then 2 matches a day in Super 10, making it 40 matches in 20 days. Add some rest days in between & have the semis and final. About 35-40 days adding rest days in between & giving the long Super 10 stage which the ICC & broadcasters want. Associates happy as they get their chance against big teams in 1st round and a chance to qualify for Super 10
 
Change in format of the World Cup

Has anyone discussed the change in format of this world cup?

Basically we have a group stage that stretches almost a month all the way to the semi final.

This just removes the super 8's, or the quarter final and takes us directly into the semis.

Almost all teams play against one another.

The 4 most consistent teams will play the semis and the finals.

That just puts us more unlikely to qualify since we thrive on knockouts rather than consistency.

Link to the schedule :

https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/672392
 
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Honestly the change in format will make this even more boring. It just removes any excitement from the games of being a knockout.

Maybe this was done to give the most consistent sides a chance to win, yes I am referring to the C teams that never win anything..
 
I really don’t know how I feel about this. I do like the idea of every team playing each other, but the excitement and euphoria of knockout games cannot be matched.

Three knockout games made the World Cup special. It is more like a drawn-out Champions Trophy now.
 
Let's see what happens. I do enjoy watching the top teams play each other in pressure games. If the minnows were to play it would have to be in a different format to this. Would probably have to be the same format as the 2015 WC.
 
Let's see what happens. I do enjoy watching the top teams play each other in pressure games. If the minnows were to play it would have to be in a different format to this. Would probably have to be the same format as the 2015 WC.

An ideal format would be 2015 World Cup, but with the top 2 teams of the group playing the semis. Rather than top 4, only top 2 would qualify. Making each group game very interesting. Otherwise, when the top 4 have to qualify, the group stages become a bit predictable.
 
Cricket has very few quality teams playing and the World Cup needs these teams to play each other otherwise a greater percentage of matches will be boring and irrelevant.
 
I think the 2003 World Cup was the best. It was the best of both worlds in a way, for the fans and the ICC. We got to see some of the smaller countries play, but the super 6 also ensured that there would be some extra games between the top teams, even if they were originally in separate games.

That being said, I also liked the 2011, and 2015 formats, although I understand why the ICC didn't.
 
Cricket has very few quality teams playing and the World Cup needs these teams to play each other otherwise a greater percentage of matches will be boring and irrelevant.

Don't you think this format will also have a pretty high percentage of meaningless games? It's pretty likely that there will be at least 3 teams that basically don't have a chance to get into the semis just 2-3 weeks into the tournament.
 
Don't you think this format will also have a pretty high percentage of meaningless games? It's pretty likely that there will be at least 3 teams that basically don't have a chance to get into the semis just 2-3 weeks into the tournament.

Not really if u ask me.
Look at the 1992 wc for example 6 teams had 4 or more wins but only 4 qualified. Also the English weather will make it even more interesting. Some easy points may be lost.
 
Not really if u ask me.
Look at the 1992 wc for example 6 teams had 4 or more wins but only 4 qualified. Also the English weather will make it even more interesting. Some easy points may be lost.

I'm not sure. 6 wins guarantees you semis spot(I think), you can still make it on 5 depending on others. I don't think the likes of Sri Lanka and Afghanistan will be winning most of their opening games, which will basically knock them out of the tournament after 4 games. Even if they manage to win some, it will be very hard and unlikely to win 4-5 in a row without losing.

Personally I'd rather have groups, then a super 6 or super 8 stage. My preferred format keeping in mind what the ICC wants as well would be a 12 team world cup, with 2 groups, and then a 2003 style super 6 stage, then semis. A little like this:

Group A:

India
Pakistan
New Zealand
West Indies
Afghanistan
Ireland

Group B

England
Australia
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh
Zimbabwe

Lets suppose the first 3 listed in each group progress to the super 6 stage. In the super 6 stage, games only happen against opposition that they didn't play in the group stage, so that stage would only have 9 games(they could also do a super 8, which would have 14 games, but that may just increase the amount of useless games, but would result in more money for the ICC) Then have semis and then a final.

The reason I want a format like this is so the smaller nations get a chance. The most ideal format for me would be one with 16 teams, but I know that's never going to happen, so I'll just hope for the one I talked about above.
 
I really didn't like the last few world cups. The group stages are a pointless exercise as it's easy to qualify for the quarters through beating the minnow teams only, and then after that it's just a matter of who has the best 3 games. The new format is clearly a lot more balanced and less luck based.
 
Has anyone discussed the change in format of this world cup?

Basically we have a group stage that stretches almost a month all the way to the semi final.

This just removes the super 8's, or the quarter final and takes us directly into the semis.

Almost all teams play against one another.

The 4 most consistent teams will play the semis and the finals.

That just puts us more unlikely to qualify since we thrive on knockouts rather than consistency.

Link to the schedule :

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-series/2697/icc-cricket-world-cup-2019/points-table

This format helped us win the last time and I think its best for us because we always do really really bad in knockout stages.. we flubbed it in 96, and 99 had it not been for points carrying forward from the group stage we would have been out. Then we didn’t make it in 2003 because we played far less games and same story In 2007.

So history is with us doing better in group games and when there are more games to play due to us being slow starters.

Once we are in the semis we are dangerous because we know we are so close and we really go for the jugular. Its amazing what a bit of confidence does to or team.

I think if any team benefits from this format, it’s us.
 
I really didn't like the last few world cups. The group stages are a pointless exercise as it's easy to qualify for the quarters through beating the minnow teams only, and then after that it's just a matter of who has the best 3 games. The new format is clearly a lot more balanced and less luck based.
Yes, this actually tests the consistency and takes the luck factor out.. group knockout stages may seem exciting to some but it’s very very unfair because you can have one bad day and find yourself heading home.

I like the IPL style eliminater and qualifier format which rewards consistency.
Either that or the good old BEnson and Hedges World Series style best of three finals..
 
Just lessens our chances of qualifying, best teams will actually win this time. However, I still don't get how ICC feel satisfied calling this a WC when they have axed a lot of associate nations, a bit of a backwards step when you are truly trying to make cricket a world game.
 
Why can't we use the 99 format in which points are carried in group games.

Then Super Sixes.

Then the semi and final.

I mean every match matters and no match is useless.

Don't know why 99 wasn't used.

It was the best ever and Australia proved why they are world Champions and Pakistan were second best team anyways and the places were rightfully decided.
 
I really don’t know how I feel about this. I do like the idea of every team playing each other, but the excitement and euphoria of knockout games cannot be matched.

Three knockout games made the World Cup special. It is more like a drawn-out Champions Trophy now.

Exactly, agree with you
 
The new format is definitely better than the previous ones. It rewards consistent teams. As far as losing out on the knock-out excitement is concerned, it's only QFs, so not much of a difference.
 
I really don’t know how I feel about this. I do like the idea of every team playing each other, but the excitement and euphoria of knockout games cannot be matched.

Three knockout games made the World Cup special. It is more like a drawn-out Champions Trophy now.

While that is correct, this format actually is the best way to get the best 4 teams in the Semi Finals . . cuz it requires good performances over a period of time and it also has enough room for any major upsets to be overcome by good sides!

So in reality, in my opinion this format makes it very very tough for a team like Pakistan to go and win the world cup unlike our champions trophy performance where we got on a role in the last 2 matches and scraped through SA and SL (in the group stage) . .

So even though I agree with you that the knock out games have an unmatched thrill . . this format ensures that you don't have a team that can just get on a role for a few games and win the world cup . .
 
It has been done to increase india's probability to win the world Cup. Nothing else.

India and England r quite consistent with their performance in this format with occasional hiccups. A prolonged and lengthy wc with limited no of knock out matches is in their best interest.

This wc will be boring and pathetic.
 
The new format is definitely better than the previous ones. It rewards consistent teams. As far as losing out on the knock-out excitement is concerned, it's only QFs, so not much of a difference.

We have icc ranking and icc mace to reward the most consistent team.

Wc shouldn't be like that. Its main purpose is to promote the game and entertain the public. Nothing can match the excitement of a knockout match.

I think we should already give the wc to England and india instead of wasting our time since these r the two teams that reside at the top of the ranking.

This wc will be an absolute bore fest.
 
This is the best format. Infact, if it was on me....I would get rid of semi finals /finals as well and adopt EPL kind of structure. Every team play against each other twice and the table topper is the world cup winner. In that way best team eventually wins the trophy and chances of weak teams like BD, Ire etc fluking few knockout matches towarda glory is reduced.

I know knockouts are hugely popular bcoz of excitement/euphoria etc. but need not be the best format.
 
This is the way it should have always been. There are only 7 or 8 good teams in the world, all these teams deserve to play each other to determine the true winner.

The 2011 and 2015 formats were horrible. The group games didn't even mean anything since we knew who would be qualifying, they were only used to determine the quarter finals.

At least in the super 6s format you still that stage after the group stage so you got to play more teams.

2007 format was the best but India and Pakistan not qualifying made it horrible.


Thankfully the current World Cup and the 2023 have this 10 team format.

Those crying about there about being 4 less teams suck it up, not like those 4 minnows had any conceivable chance to win more than a few games let alone reach the semi finals.

You can include the associate sides in the T20 World Cup, leave the 50 over World Cup for the best 10 sides
 
And those talking about the luck factor not being a thing in this World Cup need to revisit the 92 World Cup because it had the same format
 
This is the best format. Infact, if it was on me....I would get rid of semi finals /finals as well and adopt EPL kind of structure. Every team play against each other twice and the table topper is the world cup winner. In that way best team eventually wins the trophy and chances of weak teams like BD, Ire etc fluking few knockout matches towarda glory is reduced.

I know knockouts are hugely popular bcoz of excitement/euphoria etc. but need not be the best format.

Part of being the best team in the world is how you handle the pressure. That is why I don't think England will win this world cup, they are not good in pressure games, but they're merciless in meaningless bilaterals. This is why knockout matches are important in deciding world cups. Plus, knockout games really add to the excitement of a tournament, the EPL format is lame IMO.

If we look at the FIFA World Cup, they have 4 straight rounds of knockout games, yet nobody complains. It's a given that if you want to be the best team in the world, you need to play well in every game. In the format for this years CWC, a team can win the cup despite having lost 4 games.
 
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