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No matter how many players they change, no matter how many great players there are in their World Cup squads or which Era it is because in the end we always see same result. They always enter in the World Cups with a very good team but dont get into the finals. 173 was a very good total on this pitch but they played too many pacers.

I cant imagine how SA fans feel...I am disappointed too as a neutral fan i want to see South Africa in a WC final for once
 
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Just outplayed today by a Kohli special. Thought we did pretty well with the bat.
 
I honestly feel sorry for them. For some reason they just never succeed in WC's. God knows how disappointed their fans must be.
 
I do feel a bit for them.They play good cricket but never win trophies.

They choked again today.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
I honestly feel sorry for them. For some reason they just never succeed in WC's. God knows how disappointed their fans must be.
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We've given up expecting anything from them. If they won here, they would have found a way to lose the final. It's better that the best team goes through, rather than a decent one that pulled off a few close matches.
 
actually they were lucky to enter Semis this time , they should have lost both games against
NZ and NED
 
CHOKING is losing from winning positions, they were humiliated today, had it been 16 overs for India today ,India would still have won and Tahir would have gone for 55 odd... India always had the game under control
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
This isn't a choke.

They just couldn't do anything.

Kohli batted like a man possessed.
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You are right we cant call it a choke but we are still waiting for the day we witness a World Cup final where South Africa is playing.
 
WebGuru said:
You are right we cant call it a choke but we are still waiting for the day we witness a World Cup final where South Africa is playing.
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Webguru, though what you said is correct, a better post was expected from you.. SA batted really well though.

I would put my neck out and say Kohli is the best LOI batsman ever from India (at least not lesser than anyone).
 
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I am actually happy that SA won two close games and got to semis when no one gave them a chance in these conditions. Disappointing stuff from AB today. Game was set up perfectly after Faf played so well. SA could have scored 20-25 runs extra. Then that 6 singles on Raina's over was poor in my opinion. He is a freaking part timer bowling in death overs.

Credit to Kohli to make this chase look so easy. No slog and he paced his innings perfectly.
 
Not the best bowling changes by South Africa but a perfct chase from india. Never looked in trouble at all.
 
Kohli alone would be the reason of India being competitive and staying at the top 3 of world cricket for the next 10 years.
 
Have to say SA lost the match at the toss when they asked SA to chase, shows they were afraid of choking
 
tempus123 said:
Webguru, though what you said is correct, a better post was expected from you.. SA batted really well though.
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I am disappointed too as a neutral because i want to see South Africa in a World Cup final in my life time. Now its getting boring and predictable whenever South Africa play in a knockout WC match.
 
Alot of people saying SA couldnt do anything against Kohli but it was one of the worst displays of captaincy ive ever seen in a t20 game.

Giving your worst bowlers the first few overs and the game was over when India scored 40 in 4 overs, SA did choke by being over defensive
 
WebGuru said:
I am disappointed too as a neutral because i want to see South Africa in a World Cup final in my life time. Now its getting boring and predictable whenever South Africa play in a knockout WC match.
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I think this is the only time you can say they looked like favourites at half time. Had it not been for Kohli, I don't think they would have had any problem..

I think similar can be said about Lara in 1996 .. but Lara played first.
 
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tempus123 said:
I think this is the only time you can say they looked like favourites at half time. Had it not been for Kohli, I don't think they would have had any problem..

I think similar can be said about Lara in 1996 .. but Lara played first.
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I think their best chance was in 1999. They had a very fine team for a WC. Klusener was in form of his life with ball/bat and still on crease but thn we all know what happened :facepalm:
 
WebGuru said:
I think their best chance was in 1999. They had a very fine team for a WC. Klusener was in form of his life with ball/bat and still on crease but thn we all know what happened :facepalm:
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Yup.That was the first major cricketing tournament that I watched.Couldn't believe what happened.Shocking stuff.
 
1992 WC lost in the semis
1996 WC lost in the Quarters
1999 WC lost in the semis
2002 CT lost in the semis
2006 CT lost in the semis
2007 WC lost in the semis
2009 T20 Lost in the semis
2011 WC lost in the Quarters
2014 T20 Lost in the semis

SOUTH AFRICA CHOKERS for LIFE
 
WebGuru said:
I think their best chance was in 1999. They had a very fine team for a WC. Klusener was in form of his life with ball/bat and still on crease but thn we all know what happened :facepalm:
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Well.. I wouldn't say that.. when you have 9 runs to get in the last over and only 1 wicket left, it was 70-30 in favour of Australia. I am giving 30 because of Klusener.. but anyway it was Australia's match to lose once Warne weaved his magic (after SA were 48-0 chasing 213).

I don't agree SA gave that away.. Klusener helped them making a match out of it.
 
tempus123 said:
Well.. I wouldn't say that.. when you have 9 runs to get in the last over and only 1 wicket left, it was 70-30 in favour of Australia. I am giving 30 because of Klusener.. but anyway it was Australia's match to lose once Warne weaved his magic (after SA were 48-0 chasing 213).

I don't agree SA gave that away.. Klusener helped them making a match out of it.
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1999 Klusner innings is alot like Misbahs 2007 t20 innings

SA only needed 1 with 3 balls to spare and they shouldve easily gotten it, they did choke if you look at how the match ended 2 run out chances
 
Well,the South Africans shouldn't participate in WC's by giving a very specific and logical reason that they are not made for them.
 
Steyn goes for 0/36 off 3 in a must win match, if it is not choking then what else it is?
 
whatthewhat said:
1999 Klusner innings is alot like Misbahs 2007 t20 innings

SA only needed 1 with 3 balls to spare and they shouldve easily gotten it, they did choke if you look at how the match ended 2 run out chances
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If you look at only the last 3 balls and decide, well I can't say much..

in fact Klusener was dropped by Paul R and had that catch been taken, the match wouldn't have reached last over.. so it was Australia who gave it away.
 
tempus123 said:
If you look at only the last 3 balls and decide, well I can't say much..

in fact Klusener was dropped by Paul R and had that catch been taken, the match wouldn't have reached last over.. so it was Australia who gave it away.
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Before that they were in a situation where 30 were needed in 24 balls with Klusener and Boucher on crease.
 
WebGuru said:
Before that they were in a situation where 30 were needed in 24 balls with Klusener and Boucher on crease.
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yes.. but it was 50-50 then.. as I said, it was Klusener who made a match out of it once SA lost 4 wickets due to Warne..

But I don't agree it was SA's match all the way.. it was till they were 48-0, after that they were playing catch up.. and relied heavily on Klusener to bail them out of jail every time.. he almost did..

As the poster above me said it could be compared with Misbah against India in twin matches of WT20 2007.. but let it not fool us that it was Pakistan's match to lose..it was India's match which Misbah pulled back brilliantly.
 
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tempus123 said:
yes.. but it was 50-50 then.. as I said, it was Klusener who made a match out of it once SA lost 4 wickets due to Warne..

But I don't agree it was SA's match all the way.. it was till they were 48-0, after that they were playing catch up.. and relied heavily on Klusener to bail them out of jail every time.. he almost did..

As the poster above me said it could be compared with Misbah against India in twin matches of WT20 2007.. but let it not fool us that it was Pakistan's match to lose..it was India's match which Misbah pulled back brilliantly.
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I agree with most of what you said but dont you think everything else become past when it comes down to 1 run to victory?
 
WebGuru said:
I agree with most of what you said but dont you think everything else become past when it comes down to 1 run to victory?
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If that were the case, MOM in any close match would go to the last batsman/bowler who hit winning run/took last wicket ?

Don't you think a bit of perspective is important ? We fans have short memory and not much time so we want to see only the last/finishing moments.

Also that 1 run victory had only 1 wicket left..
 
When the best of your crop is spineless, you can't win ICC events.
 
So what was the price South Africa? How much did BCCI pay you to throw this game ;)?
 
They were great today, but Kohli is just turning out to be a legend of the game.
 
tempus123 said:
If that were the case, MOM in any close match would go to the last batsman/bowler who hit winning run/took last wicket ?

Don't you think a bit of perspective is important ? We fans have short memory and not much time so we want to see only the last/finishing moments.

Also that 1 run victory had only 1 wicket left..
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Your point is solid MoM cant be decided based on last over performances and perspective is important but if Klusener or any XYZ batsman is on crease (even if no wicket left) 1 run needed in 4 balls you will surely back the batting team and they are favorites in that situation not the bowling one right? Even if there is a tailender to face the ball in this situation still the match will be in batting team favor.
 
WebGuru said:
Your point is solid MoM cant be decided based on last over performances and perspective is important but if Klusener or any XYZ batsman is on crease (even if no wicket left) 1 run needed in 4 balls you will surely back the batting team and they are favorites in that situation not the bowling one right? Even if there is a tailender to face the ball in this situation still the match will be in batting team favor.
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That's true.. if the last 3 balls are looked at, SA gave the match away. But I am talking about the whole match, and it shifted momentum so many times that both teams gave the match away to each other many times.

I think the best ODI ever in my opinion.. because of quality bowling and gutsy batting on both sides with the two best fielding sides in the world.
 
Batman_DB said:
1992 WC lost in the semis
1996 WC lost in the Quarters
1999 WC lost in the semis
2002 CT lost in the semis
2006 CT lost in the semis
2007 WC lost in the semis
2009 T20 Lost in the semis
2011 WC lost in the Quarters
2014 T20 Lost in the semis
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You didn't have to remind us by listing all of them here.
 
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Batman_DB said:
1992 WC lost in the semis
1996 WC lost in the Quarters
1999 WC lost in the semis
2002 CT lost in the semis
2006 CT lost in the semis
2007 WC lost in the semis
2009 T20 Lost in the semis
2011 WC lost in the Quarters
2014 T20 Lost in the semis

SOUTH AFRICA CHOKERS for LIFE
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Too many opportunities lost.
 
Honestly no matter how better the opposition plays still its like a written destiny for them :(
If u put it this way Kohli had to perform bcoz it was already written that RSA wont go through to the final no matter how well RSA plays.
 
zabalestmsm said:
Honestly no matter how better the opposition plays still its like a written destiny for them :(
If u put it this way Kohli had to perform bcoz it was already written that RSA wont go through to the final no matter how well RSA plays.
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One day we will win :D

It's not a destiny. It's a simple matter of not feeling the pressure too much and playing your normal game.
 
Jo_Don said:
Just outplayed today by a Kohli special. Thought we did pretty well with the bat.
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Yep, I thought you did quite well. Tactics could have been better but that's about all that SA did wrong.
 
This was not a choke, however, '99 semifinal WAS a choke. You see, they didn't choke collectively. They just decided to choke in the last over, when the game was all but won. This is the same reason that Misbah's scoop shot is considered a 'choke' and he also 'choked' in the first game vs India. Yes, without him we would be wiped out, but once the equation was actually in his favor and he could have easily completed it, he choked (both klusener/donald + misbah). That's what choking is.. when you pretty much had it but gave it away

An example of a choke is: you need 26 runs in the last over with 1 wicket remaining. Looks impossible. You hit the first four balls for sixes and now only need 2 runs from 2 balls, and then you get out. = choke
 
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But today was not a choke definitely. Kohli just murdered them
 
I thought SA did well however man to man in these conditions(and with the momentum india had) they never looked like they would win against INDIA

VIRAT KOHLI WAS AT HIS BEST . LEGEND THIS GUY

But it would have been nice to see SA lift an ICC trophy.
 
Am I the only one who thinks SA were expecting rain in the second innings? I would have never let India chase otherwise.
 
I thought this was their best chance for the time being ... I think World Cup 2015 will be no different for Saffers considering their one day team is no where close to their test team ... Never the less a team to beat up until semis then they just run out of gas completely...


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Another WC another choke is on. Always enter as one of the fav only to be thrown out :))
 
I think they are again out of another World Cup if England dont do a blunder
 
Commiserations to [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] , first Pakistan, now South Africa, both on the same day :mv
 
They are out. There is no way that this SL side is beating this England side tomorrow.
 
battler said:
Believe in Thissara :msd
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The Last Of The Stars said:
You never know with Herath's special.
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Oh I believe in Thisara and that is why I'm telling you this.

Can't rely on a 38 and 40 year old all the time. Eoin is good at exploiting weaknesses. Farbrace is working with England now and this is probably how the conversation between Eoin and Farbrace would go

Eoin: So tell us how we can beat them tomorrow
Farbrace: Don't be more stupid than them
Eoin: got it.
 
Thivagar said:
Oh I believe in Thisara and that is why I'm telling you this.

Can't rely on a 38 and 40 year old all the time. Eoin is good at exploiting weaknesses. Farbrace is working with England now and this is probably how the conversation between Eoin and Farbrace would go

Eoin: So tell us how we can beat them tomorrow
Farbrace: Don't be more stupid than them
Eoin: got it.
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It's not all the time, it's just this time, one by one.
 
They did not look too interested to win either, maybe its because they scored just 122. Dont know whats wrong with them, such good players and atheletes.
 
carrom_ball said:
Commiserations to [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] , first Pakistan, now South Africa, both on the same day :mv
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Didn't watch either match but yeah, it is a little disappointing. Hopefully, India also bow out early so we can all be disappointed together.
 
South Africa are understandably suffering a leadership crisis right now, apart from all the clichéd hysteria about world cup performances. They've been badly let down by the likes of Amla, de Villiers and du Plessis, neither of whom have shown an aptitude for leadership on or off the field.

I think their best bet for the future right now is to take the gloves off de Kock and hand him the limited overs captaincy. Maybe even the test captaincy, hell they did it to Smith when he'd played less than 10 matches.
 
When their bowling delivered today, the batting failed. WI had a lot of confidence going into the match, and RSA were too tentative.

But it was the England game that killed them... When their batting delivered, the bowling failed miserably. No way you should allow to chase 230 in a world cup match!! The pressure is different than a bilateral series.
 
Have been supporting the team for years now and they never click as a team its aggravating as their fan,I'm sure if we have a test championship as such they will choke in that too, luckily tests are only bilaterals.
 
More than "Choke" it is sheer "Bad Luck" which is riding behind them. (Best e.g., vs Eng in 1992 SF sudden rain rule, vs Srilanka in 2003 World Cup match tied due to miscalculation of DWL... things like that)
 
RamLakhan said:
More than "Choke" it is sheer "Bad Luck" which is riding behind them. (Best e.g., vs Eng in 1992 SF sudden rain rule, vs Srilanka in 2003 World Cup match tied due to miscalculation of DWL... things like that)
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2003 is not bad luck...it's plain stupidity,Lankans knew the exact score while SA bungled up.

1992 is pure bad luck because of that skewed rain effected match calculation.
 
Usual scenes.

World Cup arrives and an overrated South African team is being hammered and humbled.
 
You can't call this SA overrated but they should have won vs Bangladesh. They still have some big names and should have shown better start to WC. Next match is against India, so that will be important for them.
 
Excited to find out whether Pakistan can beat them.
 
I think SA will beat some of top teams as well, they lost to BD but this doesn't mean they will lose to all of India, Australia, New Zealand, Pakistan or Windies. However, hopes of semis have lowered out for SA now that they have lost two in two.
 
South Africa, to be honest, is a weak odi team.
better than us, and sri lanka, but still, weak. Not a choke, just plain low standard cricket.
 
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