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Would Babar Azam make it into the Indian cricket team?

No Kohli and ATG gets dismissed for 112 :))) :))) :)))



But Babar cannot make this team :sree
 
rudra said:
Babar is better than likes of Pandey, jadhav, Iyer etc.
He can be very good no.4 for us after strong top 3.
But the problem is his strike rate...along with dhoni these two will kill the momentum in the middle overs.
On a bowling friendly pitch they are perfect but liability on a flat pitch.

Best no.4 are those who can survive and finish the game too like ABD, ross.
KLR could have been one such player for us but his opener's temperament is holding him back, he needs a longer run to settle down which he is not getting.
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I think, Babar's SR is only low when he plays in first 10 overs. I can recall plenty of times he came in after a solid opening partnership and played run-a-ball. Also, his hitting ability is underrated too. Did well in T20Is vs WXI with SR over 130+. Only times he can't he can't hit out is when he is tired. Like in UAE heat 90 degrees F when he plays 40 overs obviously can't hit then.
 
I can understand Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan ahead of Babar. All three of those are truly great ODI players.

Dhoni gets in by being a wicketkeeper at 6 (not knocking his status, he's an ATG bat alone in ODIs, but currently not as good as Babar in present form). Pandya gets the allrounder and hard hitting spot at 7.

That still however leaves two spots 4 and 5. Kartik isn't good enough. Jadhav's alright, but he's not as good as Babar. Pandey, not as good. Rahane too slow and not as good. Rohul, not as good (though finds it hard to get in the team as management want him as an opener and with current set up no space). And you have to find not just one, but two middle order batsmen better than Babar to exclude him from the side.

Babar is averaging nearly 59 at a SR of around 86. That's phenomenal numbers, especially at his age. The other competition for those two slots he beats easily in both average, and often in SR too. To put in perspective he's striking at the same rate as Rohit Sharma at a higher average, who is India's second or third best bat.

Don't even take in account that in that team which is a stronger batting line up, Babar would probably be able to bat with less pressure and force the SR more, hence likely a bit higher SR than he does in the Pakistan team.
 
Not only Babar but Haris will also make the Indian team.

India needed batsmen like Babar and Haris in the middle order to chase 240 in the semi-final.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Not only Babar but Haris will also make the Indian team.

India needed batsmen like Babar and Haris in the middle order to chase 240 in the semi-final.
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True. Babar and Haris are miles better than Karthik, Pant (Inexperienced at the moment), Dhoni (Past his prime) and Pandya (Hit or miss) not only statistically but performing under pressure wise too.
 
Babar and Haris would both make the Indian middle order

Dhawan
Sharma
Babar
Kohli
Haris
 
Titan24 said:
True. Babar and Haris are miles better than Karthik, Pant (Inexperienced at the moment), Dhoni (Past his prime) and Pandya (Hit or miss) not only statistically but performing under pressure wise too.
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Lol. Hold your hyping horses. It was Only one game against Newzealand. Failed in the next one against Afghans and would have even lost it if not for the dumb Afghan captain:shezzy. Even Dinesh kartik has such one-off performances.Heck, even Rayudu and VijayShankar saved us from a similar collapse in Newzealand against same bowlers.
There is a reason why you are the only non-minnow team in the world who still cant chase 250 plus totals in this era.:wa So let Babar and Harris do it consistently and then we can say they are better than Indian batsmen.
 
Dingolfy said:
Lol. Hold your hyping horses. It was Only one game against Newzealand. Failed in the next one against Afghans and would have even lost it if not for the dumb Afghan captain:shezzy. Even Dinesh kartik has such one-off performances.Heck, even Rayudu and VijayShankar saved us from a similar collapse in Newzealand against same bowlers.
There is a reason why you are the only non-minnow team in the world who still cant chase 250 plus totals in this era.:wa So let Babar and Harris do it consistently and then we can say they are better than Indian batsmen.
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How is Dinesh Karthik with a batting average of 30 and strike rate in the 70s despite playing cricket for over a decade is better than Babar and Haris who both average 46+ at 80+ SR?
 
Dingolfy said:
Lol. Hold your hyping horses. It was Only one game against Newzealand. Failed in the next one against Afghans and would have even lost it if not for the dumb Afghan captain:shezzy. Even Dinesh kartik has such one-off performances.Heck, even Rayudu and VijayShankar saved us from a similar collapse in Newzealand against same bowlers.
There is a reason why you are the only non-minnow team in the world who still cant chase 250 plus totals in this era.:wa So let Babar and Harris do it consistently and then we can say they are better than Indian batsmen.
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So you are saying at the moment Karthik (avg 31), Pant (Avg 28), Shankar (Avg 31), Pandya (Avg 29) are better players than Babar (Avg 53) and Haris (Avg 47)? :misbah

Epic stuff bro. You are talking Indian batsmen like they are from another planet except Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan they are mediocre as hell.
 
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The_Odd_One said:
How is Dinesh Karthik with a batting average of 30 and strike rate in the 70s despite playing cricket for over a decade is better than Babar and Haris who both average 46+ at 80+ SR?
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we are talking about performance under pressure situations. How many times have Pakistan successfully chased a 250 plus total against a non-minnow in recent times? There lies your answer.
Now if we talk about stats, even Grandpa Dhoni has 50 plus average at a better strike rate.
 
Titan24 said:
So you are saying at the moment Karthik (avg 31), Pant (Avg 28), Shankar (Avg 31), Pandya (Avg 29) are better players than Babar (Avg 53) and Haris (Avg 47)? :misbah

Epic stuff bro. You are talking Indian batsmen like they are from another planet except Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan they are mediocre as hell.
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How many times have Pakistan successfully chased a 250 plus total against a non-minnow in recent times? There lies your answer.:ma
 
Dingolfy said:
How many times have Pakistan successfully chased a 250 plus total against a non-minnow in recent times? There lies your answer.:ma
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Dude comparison is of the Indian middle order (Except Kohli) vs Pak middle order. How many times Indian have chased 250+ successfully when Dhawan, Rohit and Kohli got out early?

There is your answer. :smith
 
Dingolfy said:
we are talking about performance under pressure situations. How many times have Pakistan successfully chased a 250 plus total against a non-minnow in recent times? There lies your answer.
Now if we talk about stats, even Grandpa Dhoni has 50 plus average at a better strike rate.
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True, Babar and Haris have not finished many games but they have been fairly consistent when it comes to scoring runs which is reflected in their averages. This is what Indian middle order needs. They already have players like Pant and Pandya who can accelerate and finish games.
 
The_Odd_One said:
True, Babar and Haris have not finished many games but they have been fairly consistent when it comes to scoring runs which is reflected in their averages. This is what Indian middle order needs. They already have players like Pant and Pandya who can accelerate and finish games.
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Those are soft runs which Indian team doesn't need. If your middle order was any good, they would chased more 250 plus scores which they didn't. i thought Babar and Harris stepped up like Yuvi and Kaif did in Natwest but they were back to the original self again against Afghans. To be honest, Harris looks really unfit and I don't think he can run hard runs consistently which you need a lot while batting under pressure in middle order.
 
Dingolfy said:
Lol. Hold your hyping horses. It was Only one game against Newzealand. Failed in the next one against Afghans and would have even lost it if not for the dumb Afghan captain:shezzy. Even Dinesh kartik has such one-off performances.Heck, even Rayudu and VijayShankar saved us from a similar collapse in Newzealand against same bowlers.
There is a reason why you are the only non-minnow team in the world who still cant chase 250 plus totals in this era.:wa So let Babar and Harris do it consistently and then we can say they are better than Indian batsmen.
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lol.. lost ur nuts their ? lol .. Babar has been a run machine and has been snapping at all bowling lineups.. the Afg wicket was one deadly 22 yards and Babar was also struggling with hamstring injury, I was in the ground so saw it all myself ...

How much more consistency you want babar to show lol ... Dhawan is an inferior player to both Babar and Harris ... ( ya Dhawan in ICC tournaments is probably even better than anyone around but talking over all)
 
Dhawan
Sharma
Kholi
Babar
Harris

this is the best Vz you can get .... add Sakib as an AR and mushfiq as keeper... a tight contest between Chahal, Kuldeep, Shadab but Kuldeep gets the nod... 3 seamers for me would be Bummrah + Shaheen + Aamir

so XI would be

Dhawan
Rohit
Kholi
Babar
Haaris
Sakib
Mushfiq
Aamir
Kuldeep
Bummrah
Shaheen Shah Afridi
 
Dingolfy said:
Those are soft runs which Indian team doesn't need. If your middle order was any good, they would chased more 250 plus scores which they didn't. i thought Babar and Harris stepped up like Yuvi and Kaif did in Natwest but they were back to the original self again against Afghans. To be honest, Harris looks really unfit and I don't think he can run hard runs consistently which you need a lot while batting under pressure in middle order.
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I think you are underestimating Pakistani batsman. Yes, they are not world beaters but they have been consistently posting good scores recently barring one or two bad performances. Pakistan has lost most of the games due to their lack of power hitting and poor bowling and I agree that no Pakistani bowler will make the current Indian team.

This said, when you are chasing 240, technically correct batsman like Williamson, Root, Babar, Haris, etc. are more likely to succeed in challenging conditions.
 
BlueBeamer said:
Haha...don't gloat too much...Indian top 3 wipes the floor with Babar.
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Sharma is a flat track batsmen, doesn't have the technique to play test cricket and Dhawan is similar.

Babar is a proper batsmen, his technique is brilliant. Give him a few years and he will show what he can do in tests.

Indians live in Bollywood land, the rest of us don't.
 
Dingolfy said:
Those are soft runs which Indian team doesn't need. If your middle order was any good, they would chased more 250 plus scores which they didn't. i thought Babar and Harris stepped up like Yuvi and Kaif did in Natwest but they were back to the original self again against Afghans. To be honest, Harris looks really unfit and I don't think he can run hard runs consistently which you need a lot while batting under pressure in middle order.
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Unfit Haris is miles better then Karthik. You need to take some time away from cricket. I know the defeat of yesterday is hurting. Take your frustration out someone else.
 
Dingolfy said:
Those are soft runs which Indian team doesn't need. If your middle order was any good, they would chased more 250 plus scores which they didn't. i thought Babar and Harris stepped up like Yuvi and Kaif did in Natwest but they were back to the original self again against Afghans. To be honest, Harris looks really unfit and I don't think he can run hard runs consistently which you need a lot while batting under pressure in middle order.
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What about Kholi? King of soft runs. Has 11 runs in total in 3 semi finals. Do need him.

You keep going on about scoring in big games, but then you named a bunch of series that, apparantly, Dhawan single handedly won.

In CT17 semi, Babar was 38*, and in final he came in quite late and scored 48. He missed the Asia cup due to injury. He's also had a good world cup.

Kholi has had many oppurtunities to prove himself in big games, and has almost always failed.
 
BlueBeamer said:
Haha...don't gloat too much...Indian top 3 wipes the floor with Babar.
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Do you really think Rohit could have pulled off that chase against NZ, in NZ vs PAK.

Turns into an average batsman when the coditions are een slightly in favor of the bowlers. That's why he has been a huge failure in test cricket. He's a flat track bully.
 
Why would babar play for india ?I cannot understand logic behind this thread babar doesn,t need certificate from indian team
 
Whats with the chest thumping by both sides in this thread?

Babar doesnt need any certification to show that he is class.

Start a thread of whether Dhoni would find a place in Bangladesh team. That seems more fitting these days.
 
BlueBeamer said:
Haha...don't gloat too much...Indian top 3 wipes the floor with Babar.
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Babar is already levels above Shikhar and will likely be the #1 ODI batsman in 2-3 years time considering how fast he’s improving year aftee year. Plus, Babar is 24(yet to be in his prime) while Kohli and Rohit will be older and most likey lose form by the time Babar is in his prime.
 
Danyaalr01 said:
Do you really think Rohit could have pulled off that chase against NZ, in NZ vs PAK.

Turns into an average batsman when the coditions are een slightly in favor of the bowlers. That's why he has been a huge failure in test cricket. He's a flat track bully.
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While swing maybe his bane, Rohit loves to feast on spinners be it LOI or tests. That was rank turner which are run of the mill Indian tracks.

I get your sentiment though, Pakistan has been starved for a decent batsmen for so long that a single innings has been hyped to moon and back. Talk me to when Babar has achieved half of what Rohit has. All speculation now.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Sharma is a flat track batsmen, doesn't have the technique to play test cricket and Dhawan is similar.

Babar is a proper batsmen, his technique is brilliant. Give him a few years and he will show what he can do in tests.

Indians live in Bollywood land, the rest of us don't.
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You guys start comparing Babar to Indian top 3 and Fab 4 yet always ask to give him a few years to show results. What's the point of present comparison then..all speculation and conjuctures.

Well then reply back to me after few years when he the big stats to back it up.
 
Makes it into India in all formats but who cares? He is playing for a better team anyway
 
India-Pak combined XI:-

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Babar
Haris
Pant(wkt)
Pandya
Jadeja
Amir
Bumrah
Shaheen
 
India can hope one of Gill or Shaw can fulfill their promise and get close to Babar. Someone like Babar would be perfect for No.4 spot in Indian team. Gill and Shaw have power hitting ability to boot and need to learn how to build an innings.
 
Ab Fan said:
India-Pak combined XI:-

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Babar
Haris
Pant(wkt)
Pandya
Jadeja
Amir
Bumrah
Shaheen
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Solid team. Imad can replace Pandya for slow surfaces or against teams which are not good against spinners.
 
Ab Fan said:
India-Pak combined XI:-

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Babar
Haris
Pant(wkt)
Pandya
Jadeja
Amir
Bumrah
Shaheen
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i would prefer a leggie in there... not a fan of chahal .. needs lots of support to be good .. i would go for kuldeep ... if not kuldeep in XI with shadab in reserve ... Pant for me as a keeper ...not so sure ... but then dont see a better player to replace him.. not sure how good his keeping is ... but then as i said no better option so pant goes in the XI for me too ... would love shami in the XI too but who to replace ... maybe drop pandya and get shami? but then bring shadab to get batting going? so its either pandaya + kuldeep or shami n shadab ... either combo will be good
 
Definitely we need babar like consistency in our middle order. I hope some one from young players grab the middle order position ASAP.
 
He can make it (can get the chance!) But can he retain it, that's the question! He has to go through lot more scrutiny, pressure-handling and layers of competition! It is like asking can Venkatesh Prasad make it to the 1996 Pakistan team, just because he played more important role in that victory (QF victory is definitely big!) compared to Waqar who choked against Ajay Jadeja! Yes they can get the chance, but not sure how they compete & survive in that environment (Pakistan's bowling was always world class past this decade!)
 
With pant at #4, the only places left in Indian middle order is 5 and 6. Does Babar have power game to bat at #5, #6 ?? :smith
Not sure whether Harris would clear the fitness test or not :sanga
 
RamLakhan said:
He can make it (can get the chance!) But can he retain it, that's the question! He has to go through lot more scrutiny, pressure-handling and layers of competition!
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Just like Jadhav, Kl rahul, Karthic etc have gone through and survived. :yk
 
Titan24 said:
Solid team. Imad can replace Pandya for slow surfaces or against teams which are not good against spinners.
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Don't know actually but Haris Sohail bowls a bit also, so is he worth the no. 6 bowling option?
 
Ab Fan said:
India-Pak combined XI:-

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Babar
Haris
Pant(wkt)
Pandya
Jadeja
Amir
Bumrah
Shaheen
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If even this team loses to teams like NZ, then their fans will mock us again that even after combining two countries and adding few more millions & area of land still couldn't beat a small nation :))) They blindly think that more people means more players! They think that the whole billion people are playing this game & BCCI has to select players from every home! In fact it is much easier to form a team from a small land, as they can combine well & get to know each other pretty well (in terms of language, culture, lifestyle, etc, etc!) That's why WI was such a strong team for so many years (even now they can be if they make up their mind!) Australia (a bigger nation at least in terms of land) has good record in sports (not just cricket) because they are very professional and economically very strong (on par with USA & European Countries)
 
spiderreddy said:
With pant at #4, the only places left in Indian middle order is 5 and 6. Does Babar have power game to bat at #5, #6 ?? :smith
Not sure whether Harris would clear the fitness test or not :sanga
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Pant should not bat at No.4 I think. He should bat at No.6 or No.7 (like in Tests!) The sooner we realize it is better (World Cup was the best indicator of that!) We really need to find specialist proper batsmen at No.4 & N.5 (They need not even possess any bowling skills, just need to be decent fielders or at the most part time spinners to be used if needed! With Pandya in the team we have no 5th bowler issue as of now!)
 
RamLakhan said:
Pant should not bat at No.4 I think. He should bat at No.6 or No.7 (like in Tests!) The sooner we realize it is better (World Cup was the best indicator of that!) We really need to find specialist proper batsmen at No.4 & N.5 (They need not even possess any bowling skills, just need to be decent fielders or at the most part time spinners to be used if needed! With Pandya in the team we have no 5th bowler issue as of now!)
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I think we can agree to disagree on this. Pant is too good a player to be playing at 6,7 and slogging from ball 1.
 
RamLakhan said:
Pant should not bat at No.4 I think. He should bat at No.6 or No.7 (like in Tests!) The sooner we realize it is better (World Cup was the best indicator of that!) We really need to find specialist proper batsmen at No.4 & N.5 (They need not even possess any bowling skills, just need to be decent fielders or at the most part time spinners to be used if needed! With Pandya in the team we have no 5th bowler issue as of now!)
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And if Dhoni still continues to play (unfortunately for me, and good for his fans!), then let Pant be outside of this team till Dhoni remains we have no other option (and let him be part of Tests @ No.7 & WK and possibly T20 - yes he can play in T20 at No.4 as specialist batsmen - no issues, he can contribute! But ODIs is different, we all understood that after the SF lesson this world cup!)

We need to understand that ODI - No.4 & No.5 are key positions! (That is why we won World Cup 2011 with terrific middle order batsmen like Yuvraj, Raina and Dhoni - they all came into existence very much before T20 came into picture!)
 
spiderreddy said:
I think we can agree to disagree on this. Pant is too good a player to be playing at 6,7 and slogging from ball 1.
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Does he bat at No.4 in tests? And No.6 & No.7 is not exactly slogging always! There is a recovery job also (the way he did in two Test Centuries!) I think we all are confusing with T20 here! As I said we all understood how ODI is different from T20 when chasing 240 became difficult in 50 overs in the T20 age! Nobody required to slog in this match! All it required was sensible batting! Playing at No.4 is a specialist batsman job (that's why even Dhoni did not bat before Top 6 for large part of his career!) Only Sanga & Gilchrist I remember did that job well as Top-Order batsmen, because they were too special (actually Sanga was even special because he handled the middle order batting)! Let Pant prove that he is also special then we will see! Also he can bat at No.6 (not No.7 - lets leave all the slogging to Pandya who is more comfortable at that! Actually we need another slogger/decent bat @ No.8 like Jadeja! Then this slogging issue will be solved for ODIs and more emphasis will be given to recovery job & sensible middle order batting which is so essential for ODI cricket when there is collapse in key matches & bowler-friendly pitches like it happened! All the glory in league/inconsequential matches will go for a toss if we continue to neglect this! Don't you think how important a World Cup Semifinals/Finals? How we lost to a lesser-ranked NZ team because of this issue!)

Pant & Pandya should not bat like this at No.4 & No.5 always in every match (yes they can be promoted in some matches for fast scoring, but not all the matches!) We know why this is happening (because of an underlying problem). Dhoni is blocking some batting-positions in this side and that's why we are seeing so many wicket-keepers coming in & playing as specialist batsmen! Ridiculous! That is why these guys are forced to bat up in the order! Everyone suggested Dhoni to bat at No.4 this world cup! But with all his experience did he dare to bat at that position? (at least in the semifinals?) No, he stayed back in his comfort zone, but guys like Pant/Pandya are made scapegoat by asking them to play at such higher positions in all the matches (and Pant in his very debut! strange!)
 
He can replace Rahul in the current XI. Would be the ideal no.4 for us. Always rated him very highly.
 
I summarize that people like Pant should not bat at No.4 in ODIs (they can play and bat at No.4 or even higher in T20s, yes Pant can be in the T20 team even if Dhoni is also playing in it! They both can bat at any position there!) But this World Cup made us understand that ODI is definitely different to T20s and we can employ same tactics for both the games! We Indian fans should be thankful for this world cup for teaching us this lesson! We cannot expect flat pitches always & cannot expect to win the toss always in ODIs... (In T20s the toss doesn't matter much!) We got carried away with today's flat pitches and felt that scoring 300+ always is cool, we saw it did not happen (in both the semifinals!)

So people like Pant batting at No.4 & Pandya at No.5 will kill us at some point as it happened, and we cannot hide half-baked players like Jadhav & worn-out players like Dhoni always! They will get exposed at some point! Our management didn't get any confidence to send Jadhav (supposed to be a specialist batsman with good records isn't it?) & Dhoni ahead of Pant & Pandya! Which only meant that we should have selected SPECIALIST MIDDLE ORDER BATSMEN in place of these two guys! Someone like Iyer and Pandey (or Gill perhaps) would have taken up the challenge in that match & won the game for us (not 100% confident, but a realistic hope!)

If we want to do well in ODIs we should clearly emphasis on this major weakness in this team (MIDDLE ORDER BATTING - these are not sloggers or fancy players!), otherwise we will be doomed (even with greatest Top 3 & greatest bowling attack!)
 
Mr.Q said:
He can replace Rahul in the current XI. Would be the ideal no.4 for us. Always rated him very highly.
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Still Rahul saved us in some matches (both as opener & No.4) Yes I agree Rahul is not up the mark, he can be replaced by appropriate person immediately and he should go back to domestics! But he should not be replaced by Pant! So you mean Dhoni should continue in the team and Pant should play at specialist batsman at No.4? Oh... the mistake to continue? Oh No! Either forget Pant & stick to Dhoni (find another specialist batsman) or hope Dhoni goes out & Pant plays as proper WK batsman at No.6...
 
Only a deluded jealous fans can say that Babar won't make it , heck he can walk in to any team in the world at the moment
 
Babar walks into the Indian team, as does Haris Sohail.

Dhawan
Sharma
Babar
Kohli
Haris
Pant+
Pandya
Amir
Shaheen
Bumrah
Kuldeep
 
And sorry for going out of the context of this thread (BABAR). Yes Babar can definitely get into our team as middle order batsman at No.4 after all his experience so far with Pakistan team and handling various situations & pressure! He is definitely at the right mindset at handling this role at the moment! Please give him if its possible :)

But one thing you should remember is - he is the product of grooming in the Pakistani side which saw him as a different person (someone like Kohli to take up the entire batting responsibility of the team! Fakhar is someone like Rohit or Dhawan but not that consistent perhaps!) So don't you think that it is a kind of inferior job to replace Rahul or other middle order batsmen (some are non-existent :)) ) in our team? This is like insulting Babar who should actually compete with Kohli/Rohit/Dhawan! If Babar can replace Rahul, then which Pakistani batsmen will replace our Top 3?

Also I can say that Rahul's life would have been much easier if he had to find a spot in the Pakistani batting lineup, even now! (He would have been an accomplished opener in the team by now! He not had to compete with Babar! Probably he and Babar would have acted like Rohit & Kohli respectively for the Pakistani team - but not to the standards of Rohit & Kohli!) Don't tell that we don't need an useless player like Rahul! If Babar can make Indian Team, Rahul can also make Pakistani team (That's why we have a thread dedicate to these two perhaps :)) ) Rahul was not totally useless, he contributed to Indian team even in this world cup but all went wrong in the semifinals (but all the Top 3 batsmen failed in this! So we can't target him individually at least for this match!)

India reached semifinals even with such loopholes in our batting, because we were superior in other areas, but Pakistan on the other hand could not reach semifinals because their weaker areas were plenty! The extent of weakness will decide at what point you will be exposed!
 
hussain.r97 said:
Babar walks into the Indian team, as does Haris Sohail.

Dhawan
Sharma
Babar
Kohli
Haris
Pant+
Pandya
Amir
Shaheen
Bumrah
Kuldeep
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Absolutely no issues! Similarly we can export some of our players to your team as well. I have these two teams in mind at the moment :)

Indian Team (with Pakistani imports)

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Babar
Haris
Pant
Pandya
Amir
Shaheen Afridi/Jadeja (given current form, depending on pitch and we don't have any other spinner to role his arm)
Kuldeep
Bumrah

(Exactly your team, we both think likewise! We have four imports here! Congrats to Pakistanis!)

Now the Pakistan Team (with Indian Imports) Assuming that we import first and lock our team (because BCCI has more money perhaps :) ) then we will be left with only these exports!

Rahul
Fakhar
Imam (You won't get Babar & Haris because they are exported to Indian team :) )
Hafeez
Imad Wasim
Dhoni (We will give it you if you wish! At least I will give it you personally! Hopefully this makes your team stronger, also you can consider him as your captain too & you can get rid of Sarfaraz! I am assuming that most Pakistanis think like this)
Wahab Riaz
Hasan Ali
Shadab
Shami (We imported two of your best fast bowlers! So this guy can perhaps be better than your remaining bowlers)
Another Pakistan fast bowler (I don't know who it is) / Chahal (if you need spin option)

That is just 3 or 4 maximum exports from India (but this is after locking our main players! And unfortunately you won't get our best players! Sadly this is how it happens in our economical model! I think you guys are looking at realistic import/export and not just arbitrary/imaginary teams which won't happen! And that both teams exist simultaneously so you can't have repeat of players in both sides!)

I have sincerely picked both these teams with full interest in the intention of picking best players! (And also keeping the import/export policies & economic model) I guess both these two teams will start to perform better than what they are doing respectively at the moment! I hope it happens (but unfortunately we can only hope!) India could have won the world cup and Pakistan would have reached the Semifinals with these enriched teams :)
 
RamLakhan said:
And sorry for going out of the context of this thread (BABAR). Yes Babar can definitely get into our team as middle order batsman at No.4 after all his experience so far with Pakistan team and handling various situations & pressure! He is definitely at the right mindset at handling this role at the moment! Please give him if its possible :)

But one thing you should remember is - he is the product of grooming in the Pakistani side which saw him as a different person (someone like Kohli to take up the entire batting responsibility of the team! Fakhar is someone like Rohit or Dhawan but not that consistent perhaps!) So don't you think that it is a kind of inferior job to replace Rahul or other middle order batsmen (some are non-existent :)) ) in our team? This is like insulting Babar who should actually compete with Kohli/Rohit/Dhawan! If Babar can replace Rahul, then which Pakistani batsmen will replace our Top 3?

Also I can say that Rahul's life would have been much easier if he had to find a spot in the Pakistani batting lineup, even now! (He would have been an accomplished opener in the team by now! He not had to compete with Babar! Probably he and Babar would have acted like Rohit & Kohli respectively for the Pakistani team - but not to the standards of Rohit & Kohli!) Don't tell that we don't need an useless player like Rahul! If Babar can make Indian Team, Rahul can also make Pakistani team (That's why we have a thread dedicate to these two perhaps :)) ) Rahul was not totally useless, he contributed to Indian team even in this world cup but all went wrong in the semifinals (but all the Top 3 batsmen failed in this! So we can't target him individually at least for this match!)

India reached semifinals even with such loopholes in our batting, because we were superior in other areas, but Pakistan on the other hand could not reach semifinals because their weaker areas were plenty! The extent of weakness will decide at what point you will be exposed!
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Oh yes.. I would definitely take KL Rahul in Pakistani Team. He would perform much better than either of our openers or even in place of Hafeez..
 
muhammad saad said:
Only a deluded jealous fans can say that Babar won't make it , heck he can walk in to any team in the world at the moment
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True! He can do even better if he gets into professional sides like India or Australia :) (England might be difficult because plenty are stacked there!)
 
Things do change quickly. Babar is probably going to be the one down batsman of the WC XI and then of the team of the year etc.
Babar to bat at 3 and Kohli at 4. Babar looks better against fast bowling and in PP1 while Kohli is so far better at the end of the innings.
 
After the WC, I think Babar Azam definitely would make the India side.
 
Mobashir said:
Things do change quickly. Babar is probably going to be the one down batsman of the WC XI and then of the team of the year etc.
Babar to bat at 3 and Kohli at 4. Babar looks better against fast bowling and in PP1 while Kohli is so far better at the end of the innings.
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No. No. No
What makes you think Babar will get picked in WC XI ahead of Shakib, Root, Williamson who clearly have better stats ?

Assuming that Oct18- SEP 19 is considered for ODI team, Kohli averages 70 in this time period while Babar avgs 57. So, kohli will be the first choice for No.3

Kohli is the best against fast bowling in any format let alone PP1 in ODI
 
This thread Is Just pathetic .People Discussing About professional cricket dont even Know How Difficult it is For any player to make it to national team.
Babar doesn't need to prove anything to anyone .
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Its like asking Whether Bhuvi Or shami can make it to Pakistan team?wth
India has probably the best fast bowling Attack Of their History and Still Pakistan Is Producing Better Fast bowlers.every year Its just Our management Cant handle them .
India couldn't even Find One Genuine Left arm fast bowler .khaleel Failed Miserably
Pakistan might have Problem with Batting Quality over the Years but now its Changing so just wait and see
 
Mobashir said:
Things do change quickly. Babar is probably going to be the one down batsman of the WC XI and then of the team of the year etc.
Babar to bat at 3 and Kohli at 4. Babar looks better against fast bowling and in PP1 while Kohli is so far better at the end of the innings.
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Babar is too slow at 3. He starts slow and and is slower before and after 50 and will suck the momentum. He is better suited at 4 considering top 3 are much better Batsmen than him.
 
rhony said:
Babar is too slow at 3. He starts slow and and is slower before and after 50 and will suck the momentum. He is better suited at 4 considering top 3 are much better Batsmen than him.
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When he started, he was much more aggressive.

The team management has given him the assignment of playing as long as possible to ensure a chance of making 300 and beyond.

That’s why his SR has fallen in the last two years.

You can just compare his debut NZ tour with the one in 2018 and see the difference.
 
ManFan said:
When he started, he was much more aggressive.

The team management has given him the assignment of playing as long as possible to ensure a chance of making 300 and beyond.

That’s why his SR has fallen in the last two years.

You can just compare his debut NZ tour with the one in 2018 and see the difference.
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He is much more compact player now and much better. However I think he's a perfect no.4 than a 3. At 3, you need someone that can up the ante during PP overs. 4 is where you can take a bit of time, score against pace or spin with a straight bat and control 15 to 40 overs at 5 to 6 RPO. He's perfect for that role.
 
The number 4 that Indian cricket is currently crying for :)
 
rhony said:
He is much more compact player now and much better. However I think he's a perfect no.4 than a 3. At 3, you need someone that can up the ante during PP overs. 4 is where you can take a bit of time, score against pace or spin with a straight bat and control 15 to 40 overs at 5 to 6 RPO. He's perfect for that role.
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Perhaps so but they’re likely to keep him and Haris at 3 and 4 respectively just because it’s been working so far.
 
RamLakhan said:
He can make it (can get the chance!) But can he retain it, that's the question! He has to go through lot more scrutiny, pressure-handling and layers of competition! It is like asking can Venkatesh Prasad make it to the 1996 Pakistan team, just because he played more important role in that victory (QF victory is definitely big!) compared to Waqar who choked against Ajay Jadeja! Yes they can get the chance, but not sure how they compete & survive in that environment (Pakistan's bowling was always world class past this decade!)
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India doesn't have world-class batsmen besides Sharma, Kohli and Dhawan (ODIs only).
 
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