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Would Babar Azam make it into the Indian cricket team?

India wish they had a batsman like Babar to fill up that that hole in their middle-order:

1) Dhawan
2) Rohit
3) Kohli
4) Babar
5) Dhoni
6) Pandya
 
Babar bats like an Indian batsman too. Quick between the wickets, targeting the weaker bowlers expertly and seeing out the good ones, likes to bat right through the innings and remaining not-out and plays proper cricketing shots.

A typical Pakistani batsman would rely on boundaries far more than Babar does, would not run between the wickets as efficiently, would throw his wicket away to a part-timer, utilize slogs, reverse-sweeps and other innovative shots more than the more text-book ones and would not see the team home because that third six in a row is just so tantalizing.
 
A batsman who averages 60 in ODI's is every team's dream. Babar would walk into every single ODI team in the world. Especially considering he's a rock under pressure.
 
Babar bats like an Indian batsman too. Quick between the wickets, targeting the weaker bowlers expertly and seeing out the good ones, likes to bat right through the innings and remaining not-out and plays proper cricketing shots.

A typical Pakistani batsman would rely on boundaries far more than Babar does, would not run between the wickets as efficiently, would throw his wicket away to a part-timer, utilize slogs, reverse-sweeps and other innovative shots more than the more text-book ones and would not see the team home because that third six in a row is just so tantalizing.

Babar has everything except for the Strike Rate. He also does not have the muscle to destroy the attacks once he reaches his hundred.

Positives are, he can rotate the strike, can put the bad balls away.
 
Im getting second thoughts here. Maybe he would get into the squad, but it is very unclear if they would appreciate a batsman like him. The Indian mindset is very clear, both batsmen at the crease know that they need a boundary an over at least. Thats how they build their innings with small targets. A boundary an over= 50 balls, 200 runs...250 balls to score singles, doubles, the odd sixes and the affordability of dot balls.

Babar is the kind of guy that would fit into that ethic, he can easily go 50 balls without feeling the urgency of a boundary
 
still no. faced parera's thunderbolts and couldn't beat the two fielders for consecutive overs and not able to find gap.. seriously???
 
Babar bats like an Indian batsman too. Quick between the wickets, targeting the weaker bowlers expertly and seeing out the good ones, likes to bat right through the innings and remaining not-out and plays proper cricketing shots.

A typical Pakistani batsman would rely on boundaries far more than Babar does, would not run between the wickets as efficiently, would throw his wicket away to a part-timer, utilize slogs, reverse-sweeps and other innovative shots more than the more text-book ones and would not see the team home because that third six in a row is just so tantalizing.

A typical Indian middle order batsman bats at 90-100+strike rate regardless if they're 2 down or 6 down because of their superior batsmenship from years of mentorship in a batsmen oriented cricketeing culture.

Time will tell if Babar gets there.

I'd rather not have a statiscal marvel like Hashim Amla on our hands, we need him to be a Kohli, a Dhoni, a ponting, play fast and make meaningful runs.
 
Again proving his class today.

No one can say these were meaningless runs. In fact it’s a match winning knock if we go on to win.
 
Im getting second thoughts here. Maybe he would get into the squad, but it is very unclear if they would appreciate a batsman like him. The Indian mindset is very clear, both batsmen at the crease know that they need a boundary an over at least. Thats how they build their innings with small targets. A boundary an over= 50 balls, 200 runs...250 balls to score singles, doubles, the odd sixes and the affordability of dot balls.

Babar is the kind of guy that would fit into that ethic, he can easily go 50 balls without feeling the urgency of a boundary

We still have Rahane who is a slow poke, in our team. So you never know. Babar is clearly more talented and has a huge hunger for runs which bodes good for any batsman
 
Only thing matters is that he is scoring lots of runs for Pakistan.
 
If strike rate is a big critique based on the game today then am not sure if people have been watching it beyond the scorecards because the wicket has been very slow, a better metric would be to look at his overall career S/R which is not too bad at all. Anyhow for a guy with his current experience level and age he's doing well and one would hope he gets better from here but as it stands he is world class in ODI's although there's a long way to go.
 
What was the bowling line up for Australia in the match? I bet he pulled Jhonson/Cummins and drove Hazlewood/Starc.

It counts for nothing 'in Australia' if you are facing Boland, Tye and Richardson. If you don't believe me look at Kohli's record when facing both sets. Once he averages around 10-20, and agains the lesser bowler he averages around 80 I think.

What is the Bowling line-up of today's Lanka attack? You mean the lethal attack of Jeffrey Vandersay, Thisara and Lakman? Aren't these guys in the same lines of Tyle, Boland and Richardson? So! if a batsman scores a hundred against inferior bowlers, it wouldn't count at all? Then how and why would you count Babar's century in the last 2 matches against SL?
 
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Find it strange that Kohli who oho own half of his career due to SL is ATG and on to FOAT for some Indians but when Babar scores against them he is poor and cant get into India team of world beaters like Pandey, Jadhav, Rahul and Rahane :)
 
Find it strange that Kohli who oho own half of his career due to SL is ATG and on to FOAT for some Indians but when Babar scores against them he is poor and cant get into India team of world beaters like Pandey, Jadhav, Rahul and Rahane :)

Ask him to come at #5 and play the innings required for team. Why arent u comparing Babar with our #3 batsman? Why do you need to compare him batsmen who are playing different role in the team. Its like you’re comparing an opening bowler with spinner. If we had no Kohli at #3 id gladly take Babar for that spot. But he is completely mismatch for lower order hitting which is not his style. Hope you get why lot of Indians think he wouldnt make it to the team, not because he is poor or anything, but we have someone even better for #3 spot.
 
Ask him to come at #5 and play the innings required for team. Why arent u comparing Babar with our #3 batsman? Why do you need to compare him batsmen who are playing different role in the team. Its like you’re comparing an opening bowler with spinner. If we had no Kohli at #3 id gladly take Babar for that spot. But he is completely mismatch for lower order hitting which is not his style. Hope you get why lot of Indians think he wouldnt make it to the team, not because he is poor or anything, but we have someone even better for #3 spot.

He can bat at 4 :) Will do much better than all other Indian batsmen in long run. He is just 23 and not even near his peak.
 
Find it strange that Kohli who oho own half of his career due to SL is ATG and on to FOAT for some Indians but when Babar scores against them he is poor and cant get into India team of world beaters like Pandey, Jadhav, Rahul and Rahane :)

Going by this logic, i think Jadeja can easily replace Mohmed Amir in Pakistan lineup. Amir is struggling with fitness and form, while Jaddu have wrecked Sri Lanka at their home, plus he is also far better batsman. Oh and there is absolute no comparison when it comes to fielding.
So yea, i really think Jaddu can replace Amir, who cares one is seamer and other is spinner. Bowler is bowler.
 
Find it strange that Kohli who oho own half of his career due to SL is ATG and on to FOAT for some Indians but when Babar scores against them he is poor and cant get into India team of world beaters like Pandey, Jadhav, Rahul and Rahane :)

When Kohli scores against Lankans, he does it with a run-a-ball strike rate where as Babar does it at a tuk-tuk strike rate of 75.And his fielding and running between wickets aint upto our standards.
 
He can bat at 4 :) Will do much better than all other Indian batsmen in long run. He is just 23 and not even near his peak.

Yes he can do good if he starts having a 5th gear. Thing is in India(i also played bit of club cricket in churchgate, Mumbai) you’ll be taught by your coaches that a batsmen will always need to have a 5th gear. Which is why you’ll see most Indian batsmen from young age can do multile role.

If Babar was groomed in Indian culture, he would’ve been far better batsmen than he is now. I was in club like 14 years ago, and from what i hear from friends and family, club have got 10x better. You’ll see India will never stop producing quality batsmen. Even now we have enough talent to replace our entire batting unit with newbies and still win matches.
 
Babar would make it to Indian team at no.4 but we have Rahul who is very young and has the ability to fill that void and for that we have to be a bit patient and give him enough games in that position so that he could prove his point.

Babar has overtaken Rahul now in ODIs but if Rahul stays fit and we give him enough chances he can be as good as Babar or even better because he has more gears to his batting than Babar.
 
Again proving his class today.

No one can say these were meaningless runs. In fact it’s a match winning knock if we go on to win.

This is not the kind of match where he is exposed.

In a low-scoring game he is very good, because he does score very reliably and he is for better or worse not really bothered to score quickly (and by and large incapable of doing so on anything except a belter).

He is a run-machine, but in very good batting conditions, a SR of less than 85 will be a liability no matter what you score.
 
We still have Rahane who is a slow poke, in our team. So you never know. Babar is clearly more talented and has a huge hunger for runs which bodes good for any batsman

Babar>Rahane, but no one in India is in support of Rahane being in the limited overs sides.
 
I find it very strange that a guy who has just scored 2 consecutive centuries is being criticized by these so called arm chair critics. The way I see this, Babar's graph is going in a very similar fashion as Kohli went. Now the time will tell if Babar can become something like a Kohli as Mr. dependent. Now Kohli does have a different style than Babar but one thing that Babar and Kohli has in common is their appetite for runs which is a huge plus for Babar. Kohli has proven with his experience that he is the real deal and possibly one the future's best ODI batsmen ever. Babar on the other hand, although plays a different style, is still very young but has proven that he has the ability to play big innings and under pressure too. As for the strike rate, Babar is not far behind Kohli as far as that is concerned and with time and experience, I believe Babar will evolve his batting and improve his stroke making ability.
 
I find it very strange that a guy who has just scored 2 consecutive centuries is being criticized by these so called arm chair critics. The way I see this, Babar's graph is going in a very similar fashion as Kohli went. Now the time will tell if Babar can become something like a Kohli as Mr. dependent. Now Kohli does have a different style than Babar but one thing that Babar and Kohli has in common is their appetite for runs which is a huge plus for Babar. Kohli has proven with his experience that he is the real deal and possibly one the future's best ODI batsmen ever. Babar on the other hand, although plays a different style, is still very young but has proven that he has the ability to play big innings and under pressure too. As for the strike rate, Babar is not far behind Kohli as far as that is concerned and with time and experience, I believe Babar will evolve his batting and improve his stroke making ability.

Babar is very talented and i expect him to work on his game to improve on his attacking game. You’re right on saying Kohli and Babar seem to have very similar begining of careers. Kohli too in early career would mostly rely on ground shots, and wouldnt take too much risk, though he was still managed to score at very healthy strike rate. But onething Kohli did under Fletcher’s era was he improved his fitness. He also worked on his forearm that enables him to play flick shot for six. He is very wristy player and can generate tremendous power with his wrists. He can also hit yorkers down the ground for a boundary.
Babar at the moment lacks such skills, he really need to put on some weight(muscles) and add attacking shots to his armory. He needs to learn to switch gears in order to be a complete batsman.
 
Yes he can do good if he starts having a 5th gear. Thing is in India(i also played bit of club cricket in churchgate, Mumbai) you’ll be taught by your coaches that a batsmen will always need to have a 5th gear. Which is why you’ll see most Indian batsmen from young age can do multile role.

If Babar was groomed in Indian culture, he would’ve been far better batsmen than he is now. I was in club like 14 years ago, and from what i hear from friends and family, club have got 10x better. You’ll see India will never stop producing quality batsmen. Even now we have enough talent to replace our entire batting unit with newbies and still win matches.

The 5th gear is the one your top 3 used in the final of the Champions trophy 2 months ago?
I prefer Babar Azam's 2 gears then.
 
Babar is very talented and i expect him to work on his game to improve on his attacking game. You’re right on saying Kohli and Babar seem to have very similar begining of careers. Kohli too in early career would mostly rely on ground shots, and wouldnt take too much risk, though he was still managed to score at very healthy strike rate. But onething Kohli did under Fletcher’s era was he improved his fitness. He also worked on his forearm that enables him to play flick shot for six. He is very wristy player and can generate tremendous power with his wrists. He can also hit yorkers down the ground for a boundary.
Babar at the moment lacks such skills, he really need to put on some weight(muscles) and add attacking shots to his armory. He needs to learn to switch gears in order to be a complete batsman.

That has to be a joke? Kohli had 7 hundreds after 66 matches where as Babar has the same number in half the matches.

Babar has the best start in ODI's someone can dream of. Kohli picked later in the super pathas series against Australia and Sri Lanka.
 
Who cares!! I wouldn't want to see him in that team! In fact i don't want to think about it!!
 
That has to be a joke? Kohli had 7 hundreds after 66 matches where as Babar has the same number in half the matches.

Babar has the best start in ODI's someone can dream of. Kohli picked later in the super pathas series against Australia and Sri Lanka.

Kohli was playing alongside Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvi, Raina, Dhoni. Babar is basically one many army.
Again comparing purely on numbers will not tell u actual story.
 
Babar has everything except for the Strike Rate. He also does not have the muscle to destroy the attacks once he reaches his hundred.

Positives are, he can rotate the strike, can put the bad balls away.

He does have the SR. It's around 88 which is pretty great. Doesn't need the muscle since that is not his job. His job is to score lots of runs at a good SR and let the lower-order launch from the platform he provides.

Kohli was playing alongside Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvi, Raina, Dhoni. Babar is basically one many army.
Again comparing purely on numbers will not tell u actual story.

Lol, are you saying that was a disadvantage and playing with Shehzad, Hafeez and Azhar is an advantage for Babar? :))
 
Babar has everything except for the Strike Rate. He also does not have the muscle to destroy the attacks once he reaches his hundred.

Positives are, he can rotate the strike, can put the bad balls away.

Kohli was playing alongside Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvi, Raina, Dhoni. Babar is basically one many army.
Again comparing purely on numbers will not tell u actual story.

Yes he can do good if he starts having a 5th gear. Thing is in India(i also played bit of club cricket in churchgate, Mumbai) you’ll be taught by your coaches that a batsmen will always need to have a 5th gear. Which is why you’ll see most Indian batsmen from young age can do multile role.

If Babar was groomed in Indian culture, he would’ve been far better batsmen than he is now. I was in club like 14 years ago, and from what i hear from friends and family, club have got 10x better. You’ll see India will never stop producing quality batsmen. Even now we have enough talent to replace our entire batting unit with newbies and still win matches.

Must be some really poor coaches then, if they are stressing the importance of a fifth gear over the ability to play the moving ball. India will never stop producing FTBs and borderline FTBs until this sort of coaching is eliminated.
 
Babar would make it to Indian team at no.4 but we have Rahul who is very young and has the ability to fill that void and for that we have to be a bit patient and give him enough games in that position so that he could prove his point.

Babar has overtaken Rahul now in ODIs but if Rahul stays fit and we give him enough chances he can be as good as Babar or even better because he has more gears to his batting than Babar.

Rahul can be compared with Sami, not Babar.
 
Rahul can be compared with Sami, not Babar.

I don't know who is the Sami you are referring to- Sami Aslam? He is a test specialist.

Rahul is comparable to Babar. And I am talking about Rahul's ability which I think is bigger than Babar in ODIs but result wise Babar is ahead.

They have played 20-25 tests and it's ability which matters right now not the result.
 
I don't know who is the Sami you are referring to- Sami Aslam? He is a test specialist.

Rahul is comparable to Babar. And I am talking about Rahul's ability which I think is bigger than Babar in ODIs but result wise Babar is ahead.

They have played 20-25 tests and it's ability which matters right now not the result.

I said that because both Sami and Rahul have had similar careers thus far. Even though they have good domestic records in One Day cricket, they haven't replicated that at the international scene. However, both have found success in tests.
 
Must be some really poor coaches then, if they are stressing the importance of a fifth gear over the ability to play the moving ball. India will never stop producing FTBs and borderline FTBs until this sort of coaching is eliminated.
Dude, your boys couldnt even handle the swing and seam of Lankan trundlers on super patta UAE wickets whom our boys murdered at their home wickets and you are worried about our batting? I would rather question your coaches who produce tuk-tuks who can neither bat against moving ball nor can chase anything above 250.:azhar2
 
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Regardless of whether he deserves a spot or not his consistency is mind boggling in current set up. There is always an air of uncertainty about every player. He will serve Pakistan for a long time to come. He is not going to be an outrageous stroke player. But he can be a steady dependable player. Expecting him to do the dual role of building and exploding could ruin his career. Pakistan has to look for other players to do that job.
 
I said that because both Sami and Rahul have had similar careers thus far. Even though they have good domestic records in One Day cricket, they haven't replicated that at the international scene. However, both have found success in tests.

There is no comparison between the two. Rahul has far more ability and potential compared to Sami and at this age you can't talk about results when he has played just 10-15 ODIs.

Results should be looked for guys who have played 200 ODIs and are already 30+.

Rahul has got lots of potential and whether he delivers or not we have to wait for that.
 
Yes he can - can't replace Kohli.

But can come at 4 or 5. He's averaging 60 and scoring tons every 5 games.
 
Hafeez the batsman will also make the current selected Indian batting line up, hell even Dickwella will.Doesn't take much to replace current dhoni and Karthik TBH
 
But but but Babar Azam cant make it to this Indian side where legends like Karthik and Jadhav play :)

Yes! This current line-up is just crap! Karthik, Jadhav, Dhoni, and Pandya in most of the matches are just passengers. I would happily have Babar in the current line-up. And he's a better fielder than our Superman Jadhav!
 
Dude, your boys couldnt even handle the swing and seam of Lankan trundlers on super patta UAE wickets whom our boys murdered at their home wickets and you are worried about our batting? I would rather question your coaches who produce tuk-tuks who can neither bat against moving ball nor can chase anything above 250.:azhar2

Babar Azam is better at ODI cricket than any Indian batsman, barring Kohli.

Besides, batting is your strength and you should aim to be the best at it, not simply better than Pakistan. Pakistan's strength is bowling and well, we've kinda destroyed anyone who got in our way.

There is no comparison between the two. Rahul has far more ability and potential compared to Sami and at this age you can't talk about results when he has played just 10-15 ODIs.

Results should be looked for guys who have played 200 ODIs and are already 30+.

Rahul has got lots of potential and whether he delivers or not we have to wait for that.

Being able to play the moving ball is also a skill and talent. Sami may not have the shots that Rahul has but he's a very dependable batsman in his own right. We'll see how their careers pan out.

Rahul is not a match for Babar Azam, however.
 
We can do well with

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
BABAR
Pandey
Pandya
Pant +

Didn't imagine, a time will come where a Pakistan BATMAN would fit into our lineup.

I am confused, are the Pakistan batsmen improved, or our quality has gone down?
 
An Asia XI would certainly have Kohli and Babar at 3 and 4.

Babar at #3 and Kohli at #4 would be better. Babar can play out the opposition's best bowlers at the start of the innings and Kohli will be better able to finish games off if he's batting at 4.
 
We can do well with

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
BABAR
Pandey
Pandya
Pant +

Didn't imagine, a time will come where a Pakistan BATMAN would fit into our lineup.

I am confused, are the Pakistan batsmen improved, or our quality has gone down?

You probably don't remember the time Javed Miandad, Saeed Anwar, Inzamam ul Haq and Mohammad Yousuf would all be the second or third best batsman in the Indian team.
 
We can do well with

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
BABAR
Pandey
Pandya
Pant +

Didn't imagine, a time will come where a Pakistan BATMAN would fit into our lineup.

I am confused, are the Pakistan batsmen improved, or our quality has gone down?

Lol indians acting like they’ve been the kings at batting since time began
 
It's about having better batsman than YOURS.

To be honest even now we are, but it's just the poor selections which is causing problems.

Only Sachin Tendulkar and Virat Kohli have been better than any of our batsmen.
 
We can do well with

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
BABAR
Pandey
Pandya
Pant +

Didn't imagine, a time will come where a Pakistan BATMAN would fit into our lineup.

I am confused, are the Pakistan batsmen improved, or our quality has gone down?
You think Inzi or yousuf couldnt have replaced dravid and laxman in that Indian ODI team?
 
The new and improved Malik will also easily make the Indian ODI side .
He is a better player of spin than any of their young ones.
 
Malik will definitely make into the Indian team, Babar still won't. Babar would have played a Dhoniesque innings today, would have sucked the momentum and Indian fans would have been criticising him just like they are doing to Dhoni.

As much as I hate Dinesh Kartik, he played a good supporting albeit short innings. Rotated the strike, didn't miss out on boundaries and most importantly didn't let pressure get on to Kohli. If it was Babar, there would have been a lot more dot balls which would have put unnecessary pressure on Kohli.

Jadhav is a no 5, bats at a higher position than he ought to, he can't run fast but can play an explosive chameo in the death overs. Manish pandey is the ideal no 4 for the Indian team.

Can certainly replace Jadhav with Malik, but there is no way Babar gets into the Indian team at no 4 or 5.
 
The new and improved Malik will also easily make the Indian ODI side .
He is a better player of spin than any of their young ones.
May be Malik of one decade ago. Not the current one.Your batsmen don't have the game to chase big scores which is what we want from our ODI batsmen.Cant have blokes in our team who sweat to chase even 250.
 

He is better than Pandey, Jadhav, Karthik. If those guys can make it, then surely Babar can.

However, I will be hard pressed to choose between someone like KL Rahul and Babar. I know Babar is more proven, but Rahiul is super talented.
 
Babar Azam will make most Indian teams in the world, but that's not the point. The Indian team has enough talent, they just don't know how to utilize it. Surprisingly.
 
Lmao this thread is hilarious.

Babar is arguably the 3rd best odi batsman in world right now behind Kohli and AB but somehow he wont make it into Indian team.

Sometime attention seeking and hate can lead you nowhere.
 
Lmao this thread is hilarious.

Babar is arguably the 3rd best odi batsman in world right now behind Kohli and AB but somehow he wont make it into Indian team.

Sometime attention seeking and hate can lead you nowhere.

Ye saare haters New Zealand mai dekhainge....
 
If India had Babar today, he would have probably saved the day.

There are not many in odi cricket who can play difficult spells and pace their innings than Babar. Even in Pakistan there are quite a few who don't like Babar as he doesn't play like Imran Nazir and Afridi. Once Babar is out for a series (God forbid) they will know his value. Luckily Sarfraz and Mickey rate him v.highly.

But hey lets not talk about facts :)
 
Babar Azam's ability to be an anchor in a team is something to be applauded. As Pakistan have needed to have an anchor in the middle order. Whereas getting into the current Indian cricket team is concerned, I think he would get in easily and be able to form a formidable partnerships with Kohli. You have the Sharma open with Dhawan and then have Kohli at No.3 with Babar at No.4. For todays game Babar would have been perfect, he could have fulfilled the role of the anchor and gotten a good amount of runs for it aswell.
 
Based on performances, absolutely. He is doing really well and should be persisted with even if he has a dip in form. He is talented, level-headed and should be kept away from whatever led Umar Akmal astray.
 
Some of my Pakistani friends are over rating babar. He's very good but honestly Dhawan and Rohit are way ahead at the moment. Babar needs to perform for another two years to ha e a strong case
 
A guy averaging 60 odd at #3 would make it into the World XI. Let alone Team India that is on spaghetti legs whenever Kohli is absent or absent-minded.
 
Some of my Pakistani friends are over rating babar. He's very good but honestly Dhawan and Rohit are way ahead at the moment. Babar needs to perform for another two years to ha e a strong case

They cant do a jack with moving ball.
 
babar has good record out side asia in oneday so he can adjust in every good oneday side like aus, ind, afr..
 
Babar is better than likes of Pandey, jadhav, Iyer etc.
He can be very good no.4 for us after strong top 3.
But the problem is his strike rate...along with dhoni these two will kill the momentum in the middle overs.
On a bowling friendly pitch they are perfect but liability on a flat pitch.

Best no.4 are those who can survive and finish the game too like ABD, ross.
KLR could have been one such player for us but his opener's temperament is holding him back, he needs a longer run to settle down which he is not getting.
 
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