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Would India have been able to compete with Australia if they had Smith, Warner, Bancroft, Pattinson?

I think captaincy is a crucial factor here. Personally I feel a lot of the performances is attributed to Rahane's calmness and his way of handling things. He is not impulsive and maintains sanity in thought process. Not sure if India would have fared this good as an unit with Kohli as the captain.
 
wrongun said:
We'll never know. Test series aren't just a test of your "perfect" team. They are a test of a nations cricket strength in every department- depth, coaching, strategy, leadership, versatility, mental strength, adaptability/learning. It's pathetic to claim otherwise. You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want.

ALL Test wins count. There is no "oh but, of this oh that". You win or you don't. India won, they were better. Bancroft can't crack the team now. Pattinson is no loss because he never plays- talented but will never put it together for long before he breaks down.

Warner is a big threat at home, Sharma & Bumrah's ability to tempt him around the wicket with those away swingers will be a real turning point for who wins. The ball won't swing for that long & he'll only miss a couple at most before he finds range. They NEED to get that right quick.

Smith has just recently shown a hint of mortality vs the short ball. It's a but like Bradman averaging 56 instead of 100+ during the Bodyline series but it is something... a chink in the armour.

I'll see how India do in the rest of this match & NZ tour before I assess chances in Oz.
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Well said. However Australia without Smith isn't the same imo. Key players matter.
 
Shoaib88 said:
Well Australia finally has Smith and unfit warner back while Pattinson and Bancroft still out of team. However, India will probs still get thrashed in this test match and the whole series.
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Looking at your posts I have determined that biasness and jealousy has clouded your judgement. I am wondering how many posters are taking your opinions seriously! Please carry on.
 
Rohan said:
Looking at your posts I have determined that biasness and jealousy has clouded your judgement. I am wondering how many posters are taking your opinions seriously! Please carry on.
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He is too naive, silly and a bit challenged to make a proper observation. It's difficult to discern a teams ability for prejudiced paks.
 
Buffet said:
How many players did India take to Aus? Does India have 11 to play the next test?
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They probably took around 30 odd players during covid

That's my guess I am sure they have enough players to get 11 players
 
Bumrah also seems to be suffering from some sort of abdominal pain during last test match
If I remember correctly
 
Win or loss in Brisbane; this will be a series to remember in cricket history and India. Once back to full strength, this team will be nearly unbeatable with the kind of self-confidence it will have. Legends are made in such situations.
 
Mayank Agrawal is also most probably out of Brisbane now. He got hit during net practice today. Taken for scan.
 
Let's be honest, Australia is still missing 3/4 players mentioned in thread title.
 
This is a potential GOAT level series

Like the WI vs Aus 90s series
Or Pak vs WI series in WI during the 80s

This so fun/ competitive to see and I really believe that this series will go down in history

Fingers crossed
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Let's be honest, Australia is still missing 3/4 players mentioned in thread title.
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The names in the title except for Warner and Smith are a joke. Bancroft really? The guy averages 26 in Tests and is rightfully dropped. Pattinson is a good bowler but does not make it ahead of Cummins, Hazlewood and Starc anyways. They got Smith and Warner back in the last Test. If Warner is injured India can't do much. India is missing 6-7 players themselves. Australia cannot do much about it either. You play the opposition you are put up against.

India were full strength last time and they almost won 3-1 as the Sydney game was rained off with Australia almost 400 runs behind India's first innings total. Australia though have struggled to beat a depleted Indian team so far in the series. They can still win the series 2-1 but it hasn't been easy for them despite playing at home and the opposition missing a lot of players. Imagine an Aussie side showing up like that against a full strength Indian side in India. That is what you call a complete mismatch. This series hasn't been that.
 
RajBan said:
I think captaincy is a crucial factor here. Personally I feel a lot of the performances is attributed to Rahane's calmness and his way of handling things. He is not impulsive and maintains sanity in thought process. Not sure if India would have fared this good as an unit with Kohli as the captain.
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Yeah, despite that Kohli developed this all time great bowling unit and Rahane is just reaping the reward.

Not to mention Kohli won a series in Aus.
 
giri26 said:
Imagine an Aussie side showing up like that against a full strength Indian side in India. That is what you call a complete mismatch. This series hasn't been that.
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Forget about missing that many players, take smith and probably Lyon out of the squad india will trash aus in just three days.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
3 key match winners of the Aussie team are missing from this series and they are still making India fight till death to remain competitive.

Had Smith, Warner and Pattinson all been available for this series at their peak powers Australia would probably have been dominating India quite convincingly.

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Bancroft and Pattison are not good enough to make the team.

Smith averaged 45 and Warner 17 this series. So based on the data, we can now say that even if these players had played, it would not have made a difference.
 
Seeing Bancroft and Pattinson in the title still manages to get a chuckle out of me.
 
They'll find another excuse that Smith was out of form during this series.

Warner was rushed into the series and hence undercooked.

Whatever the sooks sook about, our win in that series was as authentic as it gets.
 
Would India have been able to compete with Australia if they had Bancroft, Pattinson?

Please update the title thread
 
MP2011 said:
They'll find another excuse that Smith was out of form during this series.

Warner was rushed into the series and hence undercooked.

Whatever the sooks sook about, our win in that series was as authentic as it gets.
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:))) Yeah that out of form excuse was one of the best I've heard.
 
Would Australia have been able to compete with Kohli, Bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja, Pandya and Ishant all available for selection ?
 
RajBan said:
I think captaincy is a crucial factor here. Personally I feel a lot of the performances is attributed to Rahane's calmness and his way of handling things. He is not impulsive and maintains sanity in thought process. Not sure if India would have fared this good as an unit with Kohli as the captain.
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My answer would be that India would not have fared as well with Kohli as captain. I am also taking into account India's pathetic show in NZ. Kohli had too many weapons to have been comprehensively beaten the way he was in NZ.
 
To be honest, Simon Bencroft had at one point looked future of Australian batting. What ever was done to that kid, and everything that he endured, one must take it in account.

And James Pattinson should have been playing both the series he missed. He is the Silvester Clarke of this generation, truly and literally.
 
Hahahahaa, oh god, how many such threads have been invalidated by Indians in this series!!
 
MP2011 said:
They'll find another excuse that Smith was out of form during this series.

Warner was rushed into the series and hence undercooked.

Whatever the sooks sook about, our win in that series was as authentic as it gets.
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Heh, using that excuse entire Indian team is fresh off the packet, and not even put in the frying pan.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
To be honest, Simon Bencroft had at one point looked future of Australian batting. What ever was done to that kid, and everything that he endured, one must take it in account.

And James Pattinson should have been playing both the series he missed. He is the Silvester Clarke of this generation, truly and literally.
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Bancroft was the sacrifice Cricket Australia made to protect its precious bowlers. The ultimate scapegoat. A convenient villain to absolve others of any wrongdoing.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
3 key match winners of the Aussie team are missing from this series and they are still making India fight till death to remain competitive.

Had Smith, Warner and Pattinson all been available for this series at their peak powers Australia would probably have been dominating India quite convincingly.

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You bet!
 
I still believe had an in-form Smith, a peak-form Warner, and a motivated Pattinson played, the result could have been different. Wonder what happened to Bancroft. I reckon had he fulfilled his real potential and played the series, he could have made a difference too.
 
BreadPakoda said:
I still believe had an in-form Smith, a peak-form Warner, and a motivated Pattinson played, the result could have been different. Wonder what happened to Bancroft. I reckon had he fulfilled his real potential and played the series, he could have made a difference too.
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Plus peak-form Lyon.
 
Credit to our team have given us a lot of bragging rights for 1 month :uakmal
 
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BreadPakoda said:
I still believe had an in-form Smith, a peak-form Warner, and a motivated Pattinson played, the result could have been different. Wonder what happened to Bancroft. I reckon had he fulfilled his real potential and played the series, he could have made a difference too.
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I am still laughing at these juvenile comments


Lamo, doesn't every team lose when they have players not in form? I mean if south Africa or England have every player in form they would win every series

If india big 4 were in form, our 0-8 wouldn't have happened

Just because smith kept falling for traps set for him, doesn't mean he wasn't in form
 
Indiafan said:
I am still laughing at these juvenile comments


Lamo, doesn't every team lose when they have players not in form? I mean if south Africa or England have every player in form they would win every series

If india big 4 were in form, our 0-8 wouldn't have happened

Just because smith kept falling for traps set for him, doesn't mean he wasn't in form
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I guess it is sarcasm.

Smith was pretty much in form throughout the tour. He was in beast mode during ODIs. And then India worked him out in the first two tests where the pitches were slightly difficult to bat on. Then the road in SCG happened and Smith was suddenly back to form. Gabba too was a good pitch to bat on but also helped bowlers so Smith was once again done in intelligently by Indians, although he threatened to make a big score.
 
BreadPakoda said:
In-form Smith, brothers. Not the out-of-form Smith that we saw.
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So whenever bowlers have the better of smith, he is out if form? He was not out of form or struggling, he had great starts in most matches and made merry on flat SCG. He just fell into the trap set by India coupled with great bowling
 
Indiafan said:
I am still laughing at these juvenile comments


Lamo, doesn't every team lose when they have players not in form? I mean if south Africa or England have every player in form they would win every series

If india big 4 were in form, our 0-8 wouldn't have happened

Just because smith kept falling for traps set for him, doesn't mean he wasn't in form
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You and I know that the top players were not in-form. Look at Warner. Same guy averaged 480 when Pakistan toured Australia but failed here. Bottom line is that Pakistan were unlucky to face a peak-form Warner and India were lucky to face an out-of-form Warner. It all comes down to form.
 
Also, it was terrible bad manners for the Indian team to have so many players in form, when Smith and Warner were out of form.

Had at least 15 or 16 players from the Indian side been out of form, it would have been a fairer contest.

You, me, we all know that.
 
BreadPakoda said:
You and I know that the top players were not in-form. Look at Warner. Same guy averaged 480 when Pakistan toured Australia but failed here. Bottom line is that Pakistan were unlucky to face a peak-form Warner and India were lucky to face an out-of-form Warner. It all comes down to form.
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Ye to thread material hai :vk
 
BreadPakoda said:
You and I know that the top players were not in-form. Look at Warner. Same guy averaged 480 when Pakistan toured Australia but failed here. Bottom line is that Pakistan were unlucky to face a peak-form Warner and India were lucky to face an out-of-form Warner. It all comes down to form.
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Pakistan is not in the same league as India dude... take rest.. get well soon.
 
Australia were missing their Demon batsman, Glenn Maxwell who would have hit a few 50 ball hundreds at no.5 :inti
 
Bigboii said:
This is a potential GOAT level series

Like the WI vs Aus 90s series
Or Pak vs WI series in WI during the 80s

This so fun/ competitive to see and I really believe that this series will go down in history

Fingers crossed
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Incredible that the series finally came down to the last 45 minutes of play with all 3 results (Australia series victory, India series victory, and series tied) possible. The series was like an ODI with 12 runs remaining to be scored in the last over and India came through!
 
JattMaula said:
Bancroft was the sacrifice Cricket Australia made to protect its precious bowlers. The ultimate scapegoat. A convenient villain to absolve others of any wrongdoing.
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Bancroft did play in the 2019 Ashes series in England. He played the first two Tests, but after scores of 8, 7, 13 and 16, was dropped for the third Test.
 
BreadPakoda said:
I still believe had an in-form Smith, a peak-form Warner, and a motivated Pattinson played, the result could have been different. Wonder what happened to Bancroft. I reckon had he fulfilled his real potential and played the series, he could have made a difference too.
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Also a ten years younger Starc... and a five years older Green. India definitely got super lucky that Bradman was not born 70 years later, I would put at least 5 asterisks on their win.
 
BreadPakoda said:
You and I know that the top players were not in-form. Look at Warner. Same guy averaged 480 when Pakistan toured Australia but failed here. Bottom line is that Pakistan were unlucky to face a peak-form Warner and India were lucky to face an out-of-form Warner. It all comes down to form.
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Or you can say Pakistani bowling wasn't good enough
 
BreadPakoda said:
You and I know that the top players were not in-form. Look at Warner. Same guy averaged 480 when Pakistan toured Australia but failed here. Bottom line is that Pakistan were unlucky to face a peak-form Warner and India were lucky to face an out-of-form Warner. It all comes down to form.
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All australian players should be in form. All Indian players should be out of form. Then only an Indian win has any value. Otherwise it will have asterisks.
 
BaankeJi said:
All australian players should be in form. All Indian players should be out of form. Then only an Indian win has any value. Otherwise it will have asterisks.
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All Australian batsmen should be averaging 50+ on every single venue. Wicketkeeper shouldn't have dropped a catch or missed a stumping in his entire FC career. Every bowler should be averaging under 25 on all venues with both red ball and pink ball.
 
BaankeJi said:
All australian players should be in form. All Indian players should be out of form. Then only an Indian win has any value. Otherwise it will have asterisks.
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And form is of course determined by the result. So it is obvious that an Indian win has any value only if the players were out of form and they lost.
 
Aussies are always formidable, whichever be the format.
 
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