Would New Zealand cricket be justified in ending cricket ties with Pakistan cricket?

[Aman]

I can assure your team will go no where if the same happened in India, heck your guys will stick around thru a covid outbreak. This is a new trend in cricket, make up nonsense and pack your bags to runaway

NZ have given up WC points before. Don't know the specifics as I was too young but I read we missed out on SF spot in the WC because of it in 2003? Kenya made the semis I think.

 

[Buffet]

Here is a far better source,

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According to overseas media, the intelligence came from Five Eyes, an intelligence alliance of New Zealand, Australia, Canada, the United States and United Kingdom. The threat was deemed credible before the match, and led to phone calls between NZC and their counterparts at the Pakistan Cricket Board, and Pakistan and New Zealand Prime Ministers Imran Khan and Jacinda Ardern.

Within 12 hours of those conversations, the tour was cancelled.

...

"But the Prime Minister of New Zealand said that the issue is not the threat but we have such information that when the team goes out it can come under some attack."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cr...crickets-decision/TSWGBDKU2AHSQPPWDMA3FMVQE4/

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[Aman]

On Saturday, Security Minister Andrew Little - responsible for the GCSB and NZSIS - told Newshub Nation the threat against the Blackcaps was related to the team taking the field in the first ODI.

"It was a sufficiently serious threat that had to be communicated to team management and that led them to make their decision," Little said.

"It clearly put the Blackcaps in the frame of a security threat. They had to know about that and we have seen the consequence of that."

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/spor...ter-flight-from-uae-after-cancelled-tour.html

 

[Snatch]

I am sad there's no cricket, but good to see the players safely landed in Dubai.

 

[Aman]

Yeah, I'm going to just wait for the news to come out before commenting on this again.

Too much unknown, hopefully what the threat was is revealed to give closure to the matter.

 

[akbarm96]

+1

It is much better to react maturely. Other teams will then have more confidence that if they have to pull out of Pakistan due to risk then they won't be abused. If this is the expected behavior of fellow cricketers and officials then it won't encourage all teams to visit.

Cricketers and officials making inciting statements will make the situation worse. Acting maturely will be more helpful. Frustration can be shown by putting the same message in a different language. I am just talking about cricketers and officials. You can't do anything about fans, but cricketers and officials putting inciting statements will affect fans as well.

Exactly... We just need to stop overreacting because it's not the players or the board's fault, the government and intelligence are the ones to be blamed and they care about their people too.. If England does not back down too, then New Zealand will tour too...

Remember, NZ players cared for us too considering when APS attack happened nearly seven years ago, Kane Williamson donated some of his match fees to victims... Even NZ players felt they were safe too here with security too

 

[OMB]

Nah, forget it. Apparently the bomb headline was bogus. Stuff NZ lol

My bad for not reading it, but I was in the middle of something and just wanted to get what I thought was breaking news out quickly and told others to post it because I was unable to.

Stuff news was a HOAX news.
DONT react to Hoax news, report it immediately.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

NZ have given up WC points before. Don't know the specifics as I was too young but I read we missed out on SF spot in the WC because of it in 2003? Kenya made the semis I think.

I would like to say NZC do this with India? Not in a hundred years, it would hurt their pockets too much

I do recall the 03 WC, it was political against ZIM regime (like it’s now). If someone does a hoax call before match, you are going to cancel the whole tour without even discussing with the people providing your state level security HA

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Invite a guest to your home for lunch and dinner.

Offer security of your home forces and foolproof atmosphere.

Guest comes to your home.

Prepare a huge lunch with all dishes and everyone waiting in anticipation.

Doesnt eat lunch because of some hearsay that the chef might have poisoned it a few hours before lunch is to start.

Doesnt tell the host that his home food might be poisoned so he could die too.

Doesnt accept assurances of the host and continues to repeat the risk of being poisoned.

Leaves the house citing threat to life.

Host is aghast that despite offering best services, the guest decided to skip lunch and leave the house altogether.

Host is visibly frustrated that he wasnt told about any specifics about how the poisoning was to happen in his OWN house.

Blames HOST for being frustrated and threatens to never come back to the host because host is upset over his sudden out of blue moon departure.

Keeps blaming host for being not understanding enough.

Any neutral can read it and make sense out of it.

But nope.

Host is to blame.

 

[Usman Chadda]

The reaction from NZ is equally hilarious. They are shell-shocked to the point it’s just incredibly funny.

Also psuedo-Pakistanis apologizing all over the place. So much drama

 

[UzmanBeast]

Interested to see what neutrals think given how PCB officials and players have been instigating hate towards NZ, NZC and the players. With Hafeez recently being another posting a smarky comment about security which is only going to perpetuate this even more.

Pakistani's have been invading NZ social media feeds and been harassing and abusing NZ for the last few days.

It's a fair question to ask given the lack of professionalism show by the PCB so far. How would you react if your country was in the same position?

I'm surprised you keep playing the victim card.

Maybe take this into consideration:

Your board's incompetence has cost an excess of $1.5 million dollars in losses, and has derailed all efforts to restore international cricket in Pakistan.

Your team who experienced a so-called security threat don't have the balls to share this report with us, knowing full well that er provided ample security measures.

Your own team was touting our security measures, and then felt like some victims. Welcome them back to New Zealand as of they're some heroes, but they aren't. They were always going to be safe.

Funny how you value the lives of those players higher than ours or our people. That threat didn't just apply to your team, if it happened, do you think the perpetrators wouldn't harm our team if they got the chance.

Stop playing the victim card, it makes you look very stupid.

 

[Savak]

Invite a guest to your home for lunch and dinner.

Offer security of your home forces and foolproof atmosphere.

Guest comes to your home.

Prepare a huge lunch with all dishes and everyone waiting in anticipation.

Doesnt eat lunch because of some hearsay that the chef might have poisoned it a few hours before lunch is to start.

Doesnt tell the host that his home food might be poisoned so he could die too.

Doesnt accept assurances of the host and continues to repeat the risk of being poisoned.

Leaves the house citing threat to life.

Host is aghast that despite offering best services, the guest decided to skip lunch and leave the house altogether.

Host is visibly frustrated that he wasnt told about any specifics about how the poisoning was to happen in his OWN house.

Blames HOST for being frustrated and threatens to never come back to the host because host is upset over his sudden out of blue moon departure.

Keeps blaming host for being not understanding enough.

Any neutral can read it and make sense out of it.

But nope.

Host is to blame.

This. Read [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION], [MENTION=291]junaid[/MENTION] and [MENTION=142156]Snatch[/MENTION], acknowledge it

 

[Aman]

This. Read [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION], [MENTION=291]junaid[/MENTION] and [MENTION=142156]Snatch[/MENTION], acknowledge it

Over it, going to wait until some news comes for closure rather than speculating and getting into a war of words with Pakistani posters. It's silly to argue either way when in reality we don't know nothing about the threat. I'm always going to favor what the NZ government has to say and you're going to believe what the Pakistani government and intelligence says, Best to wait and hope at least something leaks.

 

[Mamoon]

Invite a guest to your home for lunch and dinner.

Offer security of your home forces and foolproof atmosphere.

Guest comes to your home.

Prepare a huge lunch with all dishes and everyone waiting in anticipation.

Doesnt eat lunch because of some hearsay that the chef might have poisoned it a few hours before lunch is to start.

Doesnt tell the host that his home food might be poisoned so he could die too.

Doesnt accept assurances of the host and continues to repeat the risk of being poisoned.

Leaves the house citing threat to life.

Host is aghast that despite offering best services, the guest decided to skip lunch and leave the house altogether.

Host is visibly frustrated that he wasnt told about any specifics about how the poisoning was to happen in his OWN house.

Blames HOST for being frustrated and threatens to never come back to the host because host is upset over his sudden out of blue moon departure.

Keeps blaming host for being not understanding enough.

Any neutral can read it and make sense out of it.

But nope.

Host is to blame.

You left out a very important detail. Maybe because you forgot and maybe because it was too inconvenient.

This host has a documented history (and even present) of hosting terrorists in his house. 12 years ago, terrorists attacked the guests who almost got killed.

10 years ago, the most famous terrorist in the world, the most wanted man in the world, was found living in his house.

Ironically, he was found right next to the security guards, even though the host always claims that his security guards are the most competent.

Bear in mind that the host was probably inviting guests over to his house while the most wanted terrorist in the world was still living there.

Keeping this in mind, do the reassurances and the promises of the hosts have any value and any significance if the guests are warned by others that there terrorists are still hiding in the basement?

Clearly not. Some mistakes are too great to forgive and forget.

The host’s credibility rating is almost zero. He is desperate to prove himself as a friendly host but at the same time, he is also great friends with the terrorists living in his neighborhood and played a key role in helping them buy the house.

Ultimately, it is a situation where the host clearly does not have the influence and the convincing powers to ward off the fears of the guests if the latter feel that it is not the right time to go to his house.

Hence, criticizing the guest would be uncalled for. Introspection and looking at your past as well as your present will give you a better insight of why you, the host, find yourself in this position today.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No one is questioning that, but why hide the intelligence report?

Only NZ lives matter?

We could have been reading a much different news report if that threat was real and Pakistani cricketers/staff were left unaware because no one told them.

They kept that intelligence report in-house for 36 hours and had Pakistani officials running around asking what happened when they didn't get onto the bus. This is the first time I've seen "brown lives are worth less" in action.

I think Pakistani officials and players are being quite gentle with NZ to be fair. The players are likely taking this quite personal because they were about to be sacrificed by NZ officials.

The western intelligence will not share intelligence with ISI. They are on opposite sides in the global geo strategic scene.

NZ will not collaborate with Pakistan on intelligence sharing the west doesn't trust pakistan. Thats the hard truth.

 

[kingusama92]

The western intelligence will not share intelligence with ISI. They are on opposite sides in the global geo strategic scene.

NZ will not collaborate with Pakistan on intelligence sharing the west doesn't trust pakistan. Thats the hard truth.

There was no need to cite the source, but the threat itself should have been disclosed right away. Imagine losing innocent Pakistanis because of this mindset.

It's a terrible look for NZ and an even worse one if them withholding intel was political.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Invite a guest to your home for lunch and dinner.

Offer security of your home forces and foolproof atmosphere.

Guest comes to your home.

Prepare a huge lunch with all dishes and everyone waiting in anticipation.

Doesnt eat lunch because of some hearsay that the chef might have poisoned it a few hours before lunch is to start.

Doesnt tell the host that his home food might be poisoned so he could die too.

Doesnt accept assurances of the host and continues to repeat the risk of being poisoned.

Leaves the house citing threat to life.

Host is aghast that despite offering best services, the guest decided to skip lunch and leave the house altogether.

Host is visibly frustrated that he wasnt told about any specifics about how the poisoning was to happen in his OWN house.

Blames HOST for being frustrated and threatens to never come back to the host because host is upset over his sudden out of blue moon departure.

Keeps blaming host for being not understanding enough.

Any neutral can read it and make sense out of it.

But nope.

Host is to blame.

Surely this is reductio ad absurdum, mate.

A few key details missing:

1. The previous guest almost narrowly died of poison.

2. The neighbour is a dangerous madman who loves to poison people.

3. Many other guests declined to come for dinner due to fear but this one guest tried his level best. Just that the situation didn't work out.

 

[ahsan17]

I suppose Pakistan should set up an intelligence sharing group with China, make up threats, abandon tours or accuse other countries, and say we can't share the proof because it's confidential.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I suppose Pakistan should set up an intelligence sharing group with China, make up threats, abandon tours or accuse other countries, and say we can't share the proof because it's confidential.

I am afraid you are not going to like the answer.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Over it, going to wait until some news comes for closure rather than speculating and getting into a war of words with Pakistani posters. It's silly to argue either way when in reality we don't know nothing about the threat. I'm always going to favor what the NZ government has to say and you're going to believe what the Pakistani government and intelligence says, Best to wait and hope at least something leaks.

I doubt information of that standard would ever be leaked to the public, maybe in a few years but definitely not in the near future.

Thus, Pakistani posters have faith in ISI and the government. Kiwi posters have faith in Five Eyes' and their own government.

An eternal stalemate unless something occurs to shift the balance.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I am afraid you are not going to like the answer.

Just remember - it would have been easy for Pakistan to pull out of the NZ tour last year, citing the incredibly violent episode that took place inside a mosque on a Friday just a year earlier.

Our players could definitely be targeted today or tomorrow in NZ, since they routinely pray Friday prayers aswell.

And this episode was quite recent, whereas Pakistan has been largely without incident since the past few years (besides maybe Balochistan where you won’t invite cricket teams in the near future).

Can just imagine the hue and cry from the cricketing community if NZ were treated like this.

However, I firmly believe its their right to decide whether their players feel safe or not. Whats not right is the way in which they have ran off and humiliated Pakistan.

 

[Rana]

The source is probably Indian and the 5 guys know well not go possibly kick off a nuclear war by disclosing it

 

[Hermoine Green]

Interested to see what neutrals think given how PCB officials and players have been instigating hate towards NZ, NZC and the players. With Hafeez recently being another posting a smarky comment about security which is only going to perpetuate this even more.

Pakistani's have been invading NZ social media feeds and been harassing and abusing NZ for the last few days.

It's a fair question to ask given the lack of professionalism show by the PCB so far. How would you react if your country was in the same position?

Lost interest in cricket decade ago, but recently on going situation have forced me to comment a little.

Honestly Sir, you are taking cheap shots at the emotions of Pakistani fans here. You came here to cry and to tell us that Look! People at FB and Twitter are abusing us.

Why are you acting like a cry baby? In Social Media world, you daily witness such stuff, mostly when it comes to sports and politics.

And if your Board wants to cut off cricketing ties with Pakistan, just because their Social Media has been flood by Pakistani fans, then am sure you guys need to grow an iota of brain.

Decisions are never taken considering the sentiments of people/fans.

And i am pretty sure, you are well aware of such facts. So hence, you made this thread just to troll Pakistanis, nothing else.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Over it, going to wait until some news comes for closure rather than speculating and getting into a war of words with Pakistani posters. It's silly to argue either way when in reality we don't know nothing about the threat. I'm always going to favor what the NZ government has to say and you're going to believe what the Pakistani government and intelligence says, Best to wait and hope at least something leaks.

And just btw, your own media with sources has said that some players received death threats, they forwarded it to their security team and was dismissed saying HOAX or fake threats. So, now what???

 

[ahsan17]

The source is probably Indian and the 5 guys know well not go possibly kick off a nuclear war by disclosing it

At this point this is the most likely scenario, given they have tried these shenanigans before. And if that were the case, like you said NZ or 5 eyes won't mention it because they want good relations with India vis-a-vis China.

 

[Mamoon]

Just remember - it would have been easy for Pakistan to pull out of the NZ tour last year, citing the incredibly violent episode that took place inside a mosque on a Friday just a year earlier.

Our players could definitely be targeted today or tomorrow in NZ, since they routinely pray Friday prayers aswell.

And this episode was quite recent, whereas Pakistan has been largely without incident since the past few years (besides maybe Balochistan where you won’t invite cricket teams in the near future).

Can just imagine the hue and cry from the cricketing community if NZ were shafted like this.

However, I firmly believe its their right to decide whether their players feel safe or not. Whats not right is the way in which they have ran off and humiliated Pakistan.

Not this again.

No matter how hard Pakistan tries to sell the moral card over how it toured New Zealand after the mosque attack and how it toured England in the pandemic to prevent ECB from losing money, the reality is was and is not in a position to opt out of tours because it is desperately needs the likes of England and New Zealand to tour Pakistan.

Pakistan refusing to tour New Zealand earlier this year and refusing to tour England in 2020 would have completely killed the possibility of New Zealand and England touring Pakistan in the near future.

Our fans cannot fool anyone with this morally righteous narrative. At the end of the day, Pakistan had its own interests to consider.

Moreover, Pakistan is the only country where a cricket team was directly targeted. You cannot compare that to the mosque attack in Christchurch.

Remember, bomb blasts/terrorist activities have been happening in Pakistan since the early 2000s, but it took a direct attack on the Sri Lankan team for cricket in Pakistan to be completely abandoned, and Pakistan is extremely lucky that teams starting touring Pakistan within 6-7 years of that attack.

Even New Zealand toured Pakistan 2 years after it had to go home in 2001 because of a bomb blast outside their hotel in Karachi.

Some mistakes are too big to forgive and forget. Whenever a touring side receives any threat - or perceives any action as a potential threat - it is only natural that they will fear the worst and will think about what happened to Sri Lanka.

In a situation like this, the touring teams are not morally and ethically obliged to worry about Pakistan’s image and how it is going to humiliate them. It is and should be the least of anyone’s worries.

If Pakistan is offended and wants to do something about it, they should go ahead and proceed accordingly. However, considering Pakistan’s complete lack of credibility and non-existent leverage, it cannot do anything.

 

[Saj]

Interested to see what neutrals think given how PCB officials and players have been instigating hate towards NZ, NZC and the players. With Hafeez recently being another posting a smarky comment about security which is only going to perpetuate this even more.

Pakistani's have been invading NZ social media feeds and been harassing and abusing NZ for the last few days.

It's a fair question to ask given the lack of professionalism show by the PCB so far. How would you react if your country was in the same position?

Neutrals only allowed to comment?

PCB unprofessional?

NZ to cut ties?

I've seen some stupid posts, but this is right up there.

 

[ahsan17]

The western intelligence will not share intelligence with ISI. They are on opposite sides in the global geo strategic scene.

NZ will not collaborate with Pakistan on intelligence sharing the west doesn't trust pakistan. Thats the hard truth.

This is complete bunk. There's no reason why intelligence can only be shared with strong allies. 5 eyes were sharing intelligence with Taliban and vice versa around the time the Afghan withdrawal time. So this argument around intelligence cannot be shared is a lamest excuse ever.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Surely this is reductio ad absurdum, mate.

A few key details missing:

1. The previous guest almost narrowly died of poison.

2. The neighbour is a dangerous madman who loves to poison people.

3. Many other guests declined to come for dinner due to fear but this one guest tried his level best. Just that the situation didn't work out.

The guest also contributed to the neighbour being a dangerous madman. Remember that.

 

[OMB]

The guest also contributed to the neighbour being a dangerous madman. Remember that.

and that was the threat precisely to the guest, hence the cancellation

 

[Energy]

We're conveniently forgetting that PCB earnings on average are 4 times over NZC.

Again, sincerely hope the PCB can fight this one with all their resources. NZC will play the 'good boy' card now, and put everything on the government, intelligence etc, and get out of it conveniently. In that case, the PCB needs to legally ask them to pay damages if there isn't any evidence provided for their abrupt departure.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Atleast PCB wasn't unprofessional enough to abandon a tour on a hoax minutes before the start of the first match. And then follow that up by making racist and condescending statements justifying their decision.

And I say go right ahead. New Zealand is not Australia, India or England. Its a cricket board with limited resources that makes limited earnings and is not, nor will ever be a lucrative team that draws alot of eye-balls. Teams are not exactly lining up to play 5 match test series with New Zealand.

By taking out Pakistan: a country that has toured New Zealand thrice in just the last 5 years (a time-period in which they have toured UAE once) the only people they will be causing damage to will be themselves.

Personally, I think Pakistan stop decline from touring New Zealand anyway till they come here. But that's another story.

 

[Rana]

Guys, why are we even trying to justify our pain and anger to trolls and haters on this thread?


The insults to NZ need to keep on coming! There should be no stop to this for the next decade!

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

We're conveniently forgetting that PCB earnings on average are 4 times over NZC.

Again, sincerely hope the PCB can fight this one with all their resources. NZC will play the 'good boy' card now, and put everything on the government, intelligence etc, and get out of it conveniently. In that case, the PCB needs to legally ask them to pay damages if there isn't any evidence provided for their abrupt departure.

What people fail to grasp is that the 10 years that Pakistan was playing in UAE, the PCB didn't even make a loss most years...something that I find staggering.

Pakistan as a cricketing country has a lot of un-tapped potential. Which is not something you can say about NZC. By alienating Pakistan all they are doing is having one less team for their future home seasons.

But I guess they can always play a 4 match series with Bangladesh. I'm sure that will draw just as much money.

 

[Rana]

What people fail to grasp is that the 10 years that Pakistan was playing in UAE, the PCB didn't even make a loss most years...something that I find staggering.

Pakistan as a cricketing country has a lot of un-tapped potential. Which is not something you can say about NZC. By alienating Pakistan all they are doing is having one less team for their future home seasons.

But I guess they can always play a 4 match series with Bangladesh. I'm sure that will draw just as much money.

According to the big 3 spokesman [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

The big 3 will continue to tour NZ every year to make up for losses if Pakistan does boycott. So we are still irrelevant to the cricketing world as it is.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

According to the big 3 spokesman [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

The big 3 will continue to tour NZ every year to make up for losses if Pakistan does boycott. So we are still irrelevant to the cricketing world as it is.

I don't think so. It's cricket, not charity.

Australia hasn't played a test series in New Zealand since 2015. What makes anyone think they will suddenly start touring them more frequently, or for more matches?

 

[Shafi]

These Indians feel sorry for NZ and playing victim card after cancelled the tour based on some fabricated/staged drama. We should have canceled 2020 tour based on Christchurch incident.

 

[Rana]

I don't think so. It's cricket, not charity.

Australia hasn't played a test series in New Zealand since 2015. What makes anyone think they will suddenly start touring them more frequently, or for more matches?

Maybe the big 3 spokesperson [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] can clarify

He’s been advocating Pakistan irrelevance of late

 

[Rana]

These Indians feel sorry for NZ and playing victim card after cancelled the tour based on some fabricated/staged drama. We should have canceled 2020 tour based on Christchurch incident.

Think of it from a Pakistani perspective

Why would you cancel a free holiday?

 

[Slim]

Joke of a thread. You will cut ties with us for being upset with your lack of unprofessionalism?

 

[Mamoon]

People are living on cloud cuckoo land if they think Pakistan can blackmail New Zealand by refusing to tour.

BCCI can easily fill in that gap by sending its reserve team to New Zealand and protecting NZC from making losses. There are more Indians than Pakistanis in New Zealand.

 

[Mamoon]

These Indians feel sorry for NZ and playing victim card after cancelled the tour based on some fabricated/staged drama. We should have canceled 2020 tour based on Christchurch incident.

We could have cancelled, but we didn’t because we needed New Zealand to tour Pakistan.

It is the same reason why Pakistan toured England last year no matter how much we do the “we toured England to help ECB” drama.

Pakistan opting out of touring England last year would have killed any chance of England touring Pakistan now.

 

[winchester]

Sure NZC has every right to do that. Majority of Pakistan fans will also want the same from the PCB. Anyways for some context here, the last time Pakistan toured NewZealand, the title sponsor was PSO which is a Pakistani company.

The only benefit playing with New Zealand to Pakistan was to put to bed any apprehensions regarding cricket in Pakistan. Since NZC has been complicit in this sabotage, along with havi g this condescending attitude, it doesn't make sense for Pakistan to continue relations with them.

 

[Rana]

A small handful of posters really need to take a step back and log off for a couple days & cool down. Some hugely over the top reactions and unjustified comments beginning to come out now.

If there are reactions that are over the top and unjustified, you need to point them out and explain why do you feel they are so. Do not provide this patronising tone.

 

[Slim]

People are living on cloud cuckoo land if they think Pakistan can blackmail New Zealand by refusing to tour.

BCCI can easily fill in that gap by sending its reserve team to New Zealand and protecting NZC from making losses. There are more Indians than Pakistanis in New Zealand.

For how long BCCI can do that? NZ is a small market, hell, PSO - Pakistan’s State Oil Company sponsored the last series that happened in New Zealand.

I am not in favour of cutting down ties but what NZland did should have some strong repercussions. They have caused a lot of damage to Pakistan, financially and perceptionally.

 

[FreePalestine]

Yeah, I'm going to just wait for the news to come out before commenting on this again.

Too much unknown, hopefully what the threat was is revealed to give closure to the matter.

Thank God you are going to stop commenting. Let’s hope you stick by your commitments unlike your countrymen.

 

[James]

If there are reactions that are over the top and unjustified, you need to point them out and explain why do you feel they are so. Do not provide this patronising tone.

The evidence is clear in this thread that some of the posts and posters are going too far and should take a breath. Any honest and balanced reader can see it.

I have a lot of sympathy for Pakistan Cricket in this scenario, but some of the more aggressive reactions I have seen this weekend (and continue to see) are not proportionate to what has happened. The world has not ended. FWIW I also strongly disagree with the proposal in the OP to cut ties.

 

[Rana]

The evidence is clear in this thread that some of the posts and posters are going too far and should take a breath. Any honest and balanced reader can see it.

I have a lot of sympathy for Pakistan Cricket in this scenario, but some of the more aggressive reactions I have seen this weekend (and continue to see) are not proportionate to what has happened. The world has not ended. FWIW I also strongly disagree with the proposal in the OP to cut ties.

I hope and pray that no board besides BCCI finds itself in the situation the PCB finds itself in today.

 

[Titan24]

A small handful of posters really need to take a step back and log off for a couple days & cool down. Some hugely over the top reactions and unjustified comments beginning to come out now.

Your comment about the thread, opening post and answer to the question which OP has asked?

 

[James]

Your comment about the thread, opening post and answer to the question which OP has asked?

I’ve addressed that just above.

 

[Mesozoic]

I hope and pray that no board besides BCCI finds itself in the situation the PCB finds itself in today.

Sadly for you, BCCI is the least likely board to end up in situations like these..

 

[Titan24]

I’ve addressed that just above.

So you agree that NZ is not the victim here and thus is obviously is not the one at the liberty to initiate to cutting the ties? And thus the title of the thread is laughable indeed?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

No problem.

I hope and pray that no board besides BCCI finds itself in the situation the PCB finds itself in today.

Dude, BCCI is openly antagonistic towards PCB. You will see in the next few months how the likes of ECB and CA whisper sweet nothings only to cancel the series after the toss or something.

 

[Technics 1210]

Nice of Indians to call some posts over reactions, have you seen your lot behave on social media, even when SRT is missed out from a World XI as an example?

 

[James]

So you agree that NZ is not the victim here and thus is obviously is not the one at the liberty to initiate to cutting the ties? And thus the title of the thread is laughable indeed?

Yes, I agree with all of that.

Nevertheless, some of the more vitriolic and nasty commentary against NZ I also view as unacceptable.

This is not a binary discussion wherein it is only credible to hold one of two mutually exclusive positions. Other views are possible.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Interested to see what neutrals think given how PCB officials and players have been instigating hate towards NZ, NZC and the players. With Hafeez recently being another posting a smarky comment about security which is only going to perpetuate this even more.

Pakistani's have been invading NZ social media feeds and been harassing and abusing NZ for the last few days.

It's a fair question to ask given the lack of professionalism show by the PCB so far. How would you react if your country was in the same position?

My 5c's
PCB and the cricketing loving people of pak have the right to know exactly what changed in the 10-12 hours, its the reputation of pak's hard working security agencies and 1000's of other people who must have slogged their backsides off, to reach a point where NZ were in the country, checked into the hotels, had their practice sessions, posed with the trophy etc.
C'mon-its cost them millions, they have a massive right to know.

So, if there is any unprofessionalism - its from the NZ side . Whats stopping NZ govt and sec agencies, come out with the intel.

At the very least, it will stop the vitriolic tirade and narrative of India is behind this, and BCCI planned this since the day Captain cook landed in NZ & the conspiracies gravy train.

As far as the title of the thread goes, short answer is NO. Our game needs both teams and would be poorer if this happened.
And yeah, a little introspection by Pak would also go a long way, starting with recognizing that the neigbouring outfit does not allow females to play the game we cherish. If my country was involved-i'd introspect. Introspect the same way when we dust off opposition in 2-3 days on our square turning from first day pathetic pitches and wonder if this was real meritous victories. (this is not for each and every test match win at home, there are massive excpeitons though)

That aside, looking to the future two massive possiblities exist
a) Pak will use these events as a massive motivator and they play India first match and NZ soon after.
this might see them up a gear in those matches. Our WC streak for whatever pittance its worth, is bound to end some day.
B) our guys- read the IPL stars will rock up to the WC T20 all fagged out from the IPL , ad shoots , media hype and the like and do our traditional spectacular bomb out, come an ICC event.
Gee whiz what a hungama...

 

[Hasan123]

According to the big 3 spokesman [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

The big 3 will continue to tour NZ every year to make up for losses if Pakistan does boycott. So we are still irrelevant to the cricketing world as it is.

It doesn’t matter if Pakistan don’t tour NZ lol because other countries will not just the big 3. The cricket world moves on with or without Pakistan.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Just remember - it would have been easy for Pakistan to pull out of the NZ tour last year, citing the incredibly violent episode that took place inside a mosque on a Friday just a year earlier.

Our players could definitely be targeted today or tomorrow in NZ, since they routinely pray Friday prayers aswell.

And this episode was quite recent, whereas Pakistan has been largely without incident since the past few years (besides maybe Balochistan where you won’t invite cricket teams in the near future).

Can just imagine the hue and cry from the cricketing community if NZ were treated like this.

However, I firmly believe its their right to decide whether their players feel safe or not. Whats not right is the way in which they have ran off and humiliated Pakistan.

Look at this rationally:

They were acting on the orders of their govt.

They had no control.

And the govt themselves are part of an alliance that feeds them intelligence data. They ain't gonna sacrifice that to appease Pakistan.

As I have stated many times, it's harsh on PCB and Pak fans....but the real anger should be directed towards Pak's foreign policy.

 

[Golden arm]

Look at this rationally:

They were acting on the orders of their govt.

They had no control.

And the govt themselves are part of an alliance that feeds them intelligence data. They ain't gonna sacrifice that to appease Pakistan.

As I have stated many times, it's harsh on PCB and Pak fans....but the real anger should be directed towards Pak's foreign policy.

There should be absolute no hate against another sportsman by one sports party.

We all know this decision came from way above the individual players and if any thing they deserve respect and love for coming in first place.

What happened is unfortunate and probably a consequence of intl geo politics. Let's not take it personally. Let's not take it out on other nations and players. The most sane reaction came out was from Wasim Khan. Well done Wasim for handling this issue in the most sensible way. Let's keep our doors open for the future.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We're conveniently forgetting that PCB earnings on average are 4 times over NZC.

Again, sincerely hope the PCB can fight this one with all their resources. NZC will play the 'good boy' card now, and put everything on the government, intelligence etc, and get out of it conveniently. In that case, the PCB needs to legally ask them to pay damages if there isn't any evidence provided for their abrupt departure.

PCB earning is 4 times of nzc?

 

[cricketjoshila]

These Indians feel sorry for NZ and playing victim card after cancelled the tour based on some fabricated/staged drama. We should have canceled 2020 tour based on Christchurch incident.

Most of the teams dont tour pakistan. All teams tour NZ.

You can gauge the position of pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

For how long BCCI can do that? NZ is a small market, hell, PSO - Pakistan’s State Oil Company sponsored the last series that happened in New Zealand.

I am not in favour of cutting down ties but what NZland did should have some strong repercussions. They have caused a lot of damage to Pakistan, financially and perceptionally.

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

I thought ANZ was the sponsor. Can you confirm that the sponsor in NZ was PSO?

 

[MenInG]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

I thought ANZ was the sponsor. Can you confirm that the sponsor in NZ was PSO?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PSO Carient Motor Oil brings the Cricket Fever alive yet again! PSO Carient is proud to sponsor Pakistan vs New Zealand Cricket Series 2020-21.<br><br>Tune in to PTV Sports to watch the National Team perform against New Zealand!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CarientFullySynthetic?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CarientFullySynthetic</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSO?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSO</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EveryJourneyBeginsHere?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EveryJourneyBeginsHere</a> <a href="https://t.co/D7cxTOWauk">pic.twitter.com/D7cxTOWauk</a></p>— PSO (@PSOPakistan) <a href="https://twitter.com/PSOPakistan/status/1342851174186307587?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Savak]

Lol will be hilarious to see the NZCB going to the BCCI, ECB, CA for help against the PCB?

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

I thought ANZ was the sponsor. Can you confirm that the sponsor in NZ was PSO?

ANZ Bank is primary sponsor of NZ team like BYJU is for India.
ANZ Bank is third largest in Australia and largest bank of NZ. Current CFO of the bank is a Pakistani national.
Tour sponsor may vary.

 

[TheSultan]

Sorry, the victims are clearly Pakistani fans who wont be able to watch cricket in Pakistan for a few months, not the NZ players whose lives were reportedly at risk.

This is exactly the attitude I'm fed up with, our country is getting flamed and trolled online by people like you who have taken this cancelled tour way too personally. At the end of the day, it's just a game of cricket.

And what about the lives of pakistanis? If there was a genuine threat it is shamefully selfish of the NZ government to not show any transparency on the details of the threat. What about the security personnel? What about the bus drivers who drove NZ to the stadiums and hotel and back. Did they not deserve to be protected by their government?

And NZ are playing the victim.

I’m sorry to say but this stinks of “white lives matter only” and “white privilege”.

They don’t have to provide details because well white is right. Right?

I would love to have seen what the reaction would be if Pakistan cancelled a tour in similar fashion and did not provide details of why.

 

[Rana]

And what about the lives of pakistanis? If there was a genuine threat it is shamefully selfish of the NZ government to not show any transparency on the details of the threat. What about the security personnel? What about the bus drivers who drove NZ to the stadiums and hotel and back. Did they not deserve to be protected by their government?

And NZ are playing the victim.

I’m sorry to say but this stinks of “white lives matter only” and “white privilege”.

They don’t have to provide details because well white is right. Right?

I would love to have seen what the reaction would be if Pakistan cancelled a tour in similar fashion and did not provide details of why.

If Pakistan did this, New Zealand Would be in a watertight lockdown with Jacinda Arden at the forefront trying to lap in all the adulations from the world on her ‘prompt decision making’.

 

[ahmedzee]

All I know is I trust our government to do what's right for NZ citizens than I do Pakistan and their intelligence.

If the matter is too sensitive to disclose or we're obligated not to reveal it because of 5 eyes restrictions so be it. I'm not going to act like I know more or better than our government,. I trust them to do what's right for the country and citizen's bests interests. They've earnt that trust from Kiwis.

Your great govt and intelligence had no idea about the Christchurch attack on Muslims. Glad you hve full faith in it lol

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Most of the teams dont tour pakistan. All teams tour NZ.

You can gauge the position of pakistan.

The position of Pakistan is that it has it's own culture and values. It will maintain genuine friendships with neighbours and not put that in peril to please western busybodies. If NZ doesn't want to play cricket in Pakistan then fine. Cricket isn't the be all and end all. It's a minor sport in the wider world.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

They way the Pakistani players were treated in NZ said it all. Cut off ties with NZC.

 

[Waq]

For all those saying cut off ties then thank god you are not in a position of leadership at government level or even board level for a national team.

Diplomacy is the only way forward in such scenarios and NZ may have had their reasons to leave so suddenly or they we’re hasty, we will never know as will all be hidden behind a brick wall of words such as bomb threat, terrorism, national security etc.

Pakistan if is to hold a grudge will look petty. Why should New Zealand cricket leave or work / liaise with PCB or even ISI if their government ordered them to leave?

 

[cricketjoshila]

The position of Pakistan is that it has it's own culture and values. It will maintain genuine friendships with neighbours and not put that in peril to please western busybodies. If NZ doesn't want to play cricket in Pakistan then fine. Cricket isn't the be all and end all. It's a minor sport in the wider world.

Cricket is a minor sport. NZ not playing is fine.

Yet the reaction on PP and social media says it has hurt a lot.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Cricket is a minor sport. NZ not playing is fine.

Yet the reaction on PP and social media says it has hurt a lot.

It's a cricket fan board, what do you expect? Cricket is still too big for it's boots in the subcontinent, hopefully the lack of meaningful games will continue the decline of the game in Pakistan. Hopefully we will see more interest in other games such as football or tennis.

 

[The_KING]

PCB is the one who should be cutting ties with New Zealand cricket. We shouldn’t be keeping any relations with cowardly nations.

 

[shaz72]

What does this even mean in this context? Are you plotting a revenge? Get a life, go for a walk or something.... some fresh air perhaps. We all love cricket, but it is just a sport at the end of the day.

This is not love for cricket, this is simple hate for Pakistan cricket.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Do not take any money from NZC and cut relations. This is the only way forward.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

I thought ANZ was the sponsor. Can you confirm that the sponsor in NZ was PSO?

ANZ is our shirt and main sponsor these days that also supports the grass roots cricket in NZ. I do remember seeing some sub continent sponsors for series against India and Pakistan at the ground for billboards.

Not sure tbh, but usually the local series against foreign teams is usually sponsored by local companies like ANZ or GJ Gardner etc. that's what you hear those sponsors names pop up when they give awards or as the broadcast ends. Can't remember hearing PSO NZ vs Pakistan, maybe it was for Pakistan's end? I would have noticed it because it's odd to have a foreign sponsor for a local series. PSO doesn't even offer anything here.

 

[kingusama92]

ANZ is our shirt and main sponsor these days that also supports the grass roots cricket in NZ. I do remember seeing some sub continent sponsors for series against India and Pakistan at the ground for billboards.

Not sure tbh, but usually the local series against foreign teams is usually sponsored by local companies like ANZ or GJ Gardner etc. that's what you hear those sponsors names pop up when they give awards or as the broadcast ends. Can't remember hearing PSO NZ vs Pakistan, maybe it was for Pakistan's end? I would have noticed it because it's odd to have a foreign sponsor for a local series. PSO doesn't even offer anything here.

ANZ and PSO were co-main sponsors.

I believe the trophy was also called the PSO cup. You can even see the PSO tags on the trophy (picture below).

Junaid Jamshed, Brighto Paints, and Spark Sport were secondary sponsors in that series.

I'm surprised there were that many Pakistani sponsors. The series must have had a large audience in Pakistan or the fees were low enough to warrant the investment.

 

[Aman]

ANZ and PSO were co-main sponsors.

I believe the trophy was also called the PSO cup. You can even see the PSO tags on the trophy (picture below).

Junaid Jamshed, Brighto Paints, and Spark Sport were secondary sponsors in that series.

I'm surprised there were that many Pakistani sponsors. The series must have had a large audience in Pakistan or the fees were low enough to warrant the investment.

Yup, looked it up the series was actually called PSO Carient T20 Series.

Test series may have been co sponsors.

 

[Aman]

This shift to foreign companies may be due to NZ cricket being locked behind Spark Sports streaming.

Originally, the games were easier to access with Sky. Now a streaming service is required which may make some companies reluctant to advertise.