Would the flipper be effective for an off-spinner?

[Supporter of Pak legends]

I am an offie and I am wondering is the flipper would be effective for be to bowl? I am able to bowl the standard off-spinner and the doosra.

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

So would it?

 

[GentleHushy]

I consider myself self a hood off spinner snd trust me the more variation you have the better ypu will be , use this kind of delivery as a surprise by mixing things up

 

[khalil1986]

Nope not required, as long as you land your stock ball on a good length and mix up the pace flight etc thats all you ever need.

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Thanks for the reply both of you as I was waiting for a reply for a long time now.

Nope not required, as long as you land your stock ball on a good length and mix up the pace flight etc thats all you ever need.

I agree with your points here; I myself focus more in deceiving batsmen with flight and turn of my off-spin. However, because I play in the Under-17 level, the games are only 20 overs long (with 4 overs each for bowlers) and so I can't really form a plan around batsmen gradually. In addition, our team is so mediocre that we regularly are inclined to play with 7/8 players and so the batsmen can just pick gaps. Therefore, I think it would be better to learn a wider range of variations.

I consider myself self a hood off spinner snd trust me the more variation you have the better ypu will be , use this kind of delivery as a surprise by mixing things up

Yes, but flight must not be sacrificed just for the increased level of variations.

 

[khalil1986]

Mixing variations is all good but only if you can land the ball exactly where you want, your aim should be to impart as much spin as possible and work on trying to get the ball to drift, some balls naturally off the pitch won't turn so that's the only variation I need for now.

I'm prone to the odd half tracker and my aim is to eliminate that from my bowling. If the likes of Swann etc can bowl internationally without many variations than that tell me all I need to know and for me its just consistency.

 

[PakistanKnight]

@SOPL:- I think you don't need to sacrifice your real art just for some 'mystery'. I would just say 80% of your bowls should be stock balls and the rest should be something which the batsmen doesn't expect. Bowl your surprise delivery when the batsman expects it the least.

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Mixing variations is all good but only if you can land the ball exactly where you want, your aim should be to impart as much spin as possible and work on trying to get the ball to drift, some balls naturally off the pitch won't turn so that's the only variation I need for now.

I'm prone to the odd half tracker and my aim is to eliminate that from my bowling. If the likes of Swann etc can bowl internationally without many variations than that tell me all I need to know and for me its just consistency.

I agree but I was just wondering, if I required a variation in my bowling, would the flipper (which is more renowned to be a variation of the leg-spin bowler) be effective in amongst my usual off-breaks as a surprise variation?

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

@SOPL:- I think you don't need to sacrifice your real art just for some 'mystery'. I would just say 80% of your bowls should be stock balls and the rest should be something which the batsmen doesn't expect. Bowl your surprise delivery when the batsman expects it the least.

That's very good advice actually. My primary weapon is the amount of revolutions I impart upon the ball, huge amounts (even if I state so myself) and also the way I deceive batsmen through flight. I've found that when I try to vary my pace I lose all control over line and length, which reflected in my bowling in a match yesterday. In my first over I was all over the place, bowling half-trackers every ball and being hit for 10+ runs. However, in my second over I bowled 5 dot balls and took wickets, which were beautifully bowled through the gate. Rather surprisingly, but not that shocking with this particular captain, that remained my last over even though the rest of the bowlers were being spanked for runs, with the opposition's innings ceasing at 162-3 off an alarming 20 overs!

 

[khalil1986]

I agree but I was just wondering, if I required a variation in my bowling, would the flipper (which is more renowned to be a variation of the leg-spin bowler) be effective in amongst my usual off-breaks as a surprise variation?

Don't get me wrong if bowled properly you will get a lot of wickets however some people just complicate things and in the end all you do is bowl a poor ball that gets clobbered. First step is to practice practice and more practice until you are completely confident and than see how it goes.

 

[thivakar]

One of the best leg spinner of all time Richie Benaud use to say"small subtle variations are better than obvious big variation". You don't need a flipper, but if you can can deliver a good flipper, then that is great, you will start worrying the batsmen. I'm a leg spinner and it is extremely hard for me to bowl a flipper

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

I had actually forgotten about this thread's existence, most probably because of the fact that the cricket season in the UK ended quite a while ago and is not even close to beginning yet again (which means I haven't reflected much about my own cricket lately).

Don't get me wrong if bowled properly you will get a lot of wickets however some people just complicate things and in the end all you do is bowl a poor ball that gets clobbered. First step is to practice practice and more practice until you are completely confident and than see how it goes.

I'm actually inclined to agree with you because I myself rely upon flighted off-spin deliveries to acquire my wickets. In fact, although I do become a little flustered/unrelaxed whenever I'm hit for a boundary, by calming myself down and bowling even slower (with a greater amount of flight) I bowl much better - this reliance upon flight and prodigious turn is the reason as to why a huge majority of my wickets are either clean-bowled or LBW, with the batsman looking completely confounded with both dismissals.

In all honesty, I asked this question because the flipper is a delivery traditional to leg-spin and just wondered whether it would effective for an off-spinner - I'm still not sure whether this query was ever answered...

 

[khalil1986]

Starting netting soon and I'm a left arm spinner and had a fairly successful season last year, my aim in nets will be trying to get some drift going as IMO this is even harder to play.

Playing 2nds again this year so for me the quality of batting isn't high enough for me to work on variations as simply landing the ball 6 times in a good area will guarantee to yield results.

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Starting netting soon and I'm a left arm spinner and had a fairly successful season last year, my aim in nets will be trying to get some drift going as IMO this is even harder to play.

Playing 2nds again this year so for me the quality of batting isn't high enough for me to work on variations as simply landing the ball 6 times in a good area will guarantee to yield results.

To be honest, with your past posts and the advice you provided I assumed you were actually an off-spinner like myself. Nevertheless, can you turn the ball a copious amount or are you simply a slow left-armer relying upon line and length more than anything else?

Regarding my own last two previous seasons (I've only played two in two corky ball seasons yet), it is imperative to state that they have been considerably horrendous. Despite having the ability to turn the ball prodigiously and being relatively consistent in my line and length, I have actually been given only a few overs to bowl (even though every single match the rest of our bowlers become plundered mercilessly for runs) by the two atrocious Under-17 captains I've had.

One may be thinking that I'm unnecessarily ranting at my captains here but it definitely appears they have an agenda against me (they are actually rather selfish themselves) - despite me not having an abrasive personality at all, I'm considerably friendly in fact. For example, during a rare match last season where I was given an opportunity to bowl (after some of my team-mates constantly requested the captain to allow me to bowl) I gave away approximately 7 runs in my first over. However, in my second (rather surprising I was given even a first over because of the reasons mentioned above) over I acquired two wickets, clean-bowled comprehensively through the gate (with the batsman looking completely confounded as to what had occurred). Nevertheless, I was taken off at the end of this over despite the final score being an atrocious 151/3 (after a mere 20 overs as well!). This was not simply an example of an isolated incident - in many matches I was not even given a bowl and batted rather low too (despite persistently scoring more runs than any other of my team-mates).

One may question then: why did I decide to stay after the terrible first season (in which, the same as first season, we lost all games)? The answer is simple - I was compelled to stay because of the fact that I had already payed the requisite deposit fee of £20 for the season (I'm Pakistani so you can't expect me to leave without receiving my money's worth ) and because this is the only team which conveniently has a minibus service which can accommodate the whole team to travel to both home and away matches.

I'll probably stay at the same club (despite its problems, its atmosphere - the players are all Pakistani - is decent) but hopefully, this season (if I may play, which is looking increasingly unlikely because of the work commitment I will have to provide to my A-Level work) will far much better for me.

 

[khalil1986]

Your situation sounds a little similar to mine, I actually had my first full proper season of corky and the team consists nearly all Pakistani, Captain was a clown used to bowl 15 overs straight nearly every game as for some reason in the 50 over format you are allowed a quota of 15 overs. Problem for me was before I even came on to bowl the skipper was telling me if you don't bowl tight ill take you off etc so instead of me being able to concentrate on my job I was more worried about giving away runs. My economy was nearly always decent and yes I can give the ball a good tweak and depending on pitch I ripped past the outside edge many a time. Fortunately the teams this season have changed a bit with the guy who was playing as captain going to another team and taking some of his mates with him.

I took around 30 odd wickets in season averaging around 15 and like I said my first season of 50 over cricket so I am only going to get better.

I am just as good a bat but batted 10 or 11 through out season and my highest score of 36* not out was when I had already badly sprained my ankle and was again sent at 11. Only reason I got 36 was the guy on other end decided to stick around as half my innings I was not out and other half played reckless shots as simply either there were only a few balls left in the innings or the guy on other end was so inadequate with bat I knew if he got on strike I would remain not out again LOL.

Nothing is done on merit which pisses me off but I'm hoping for a lot more opportunities this season.

 

[khalil1986]

Which league do you play in BTW?

I'm playing in CLL (Central Lancashire League)

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Which league do you play in BTW?

I'm playing in CLL (Central Lancashire League)

I'm only 16, and hence only play for the rather disorganised Under-17 as of yet. But, if I remember correctly our first team (which is actually extremely strong, rather ironic when compared to the Under-17s who have basically lost every match for the part two seasons lol), plays in the Central Yorkshire League (not sure which division).

 

[khalil1986]

When do you start netting?

 

[thivakar]

To be honest, with your past posts and the advice you provided I assumed you were actually an off-spinner like myself. Nevertheless, can you turn the ball a copious amount or are you simply a slow left-armer relying upon line and length more than anything else?

Regarding my own last two previous seasons (I've only played two in two corky ball seasons yet), it is imperative to state that they have been considerably horrendous. Despite having the ability to turn the ball prodigiously and being relatively consistent in my line and length, I have actually been given only a few overs to bowl (even though every single match the rest of our bowlers become plundered mercilessly for runs) by the two atrocious Under-17 captains I've had.

One may be thinking that I'm unnecessarily ranting at my captains here but it definitely appears they have an agenda against me (they are actually rather selfish themselves) - despite me not having an abrasive personality at all, I'm considerably friendly in fact. For example, during a rare match last season where I was given an opportunity to bowl (after some of my team-mates constantly requested the captain to allow me to bowl) I gave away approximately 7 runs in my first over. However, in my second (rather surprising I was given even a first over because of the reasons mentioned above) over I acquired two wickets, clean-bowled comprehensively through the gate (with the batsman looking completely confounded as to what had occurred). Nevertheless, I was taken off at the end of this over despite the final score being an atrocious 151/3 (after a mere 20 overs as well!). This was not simply an example of an isolated incident - in many matches I was not even given a bowl and batted rather low too (despite persistently scoring more runs than any other of my team-mates).

One may question then: why did I decide to stay after the terrible first season (in which, the same as first season, we lost all games)? The answer is simple - I was compelled to stay because of the fact that I had already payed the requisite deposit fee of £20 for the season (I'm Pakistani so you can't expect me to leave without receiving my money's worth ) and because this is the only team which conveniently has a minibus service which can accommodate the whole team to travel to both home and away matches.

I'll probably stay at the same club (despite its problems, its atmosphere - the players are all Pakistani - is decent) but hopefully, this season (if I may play, which is looking increasingly unlikely because of the work commitment I will have to provide to my A-Level work) will far much better for me.

I was treated like this in highschool, im 20 now, i played my first league season with adult team and i did fairly ok. Alot of guys are really amazed how much i can turn, but i had issue with controls. My highschool captains all only let the pacers bowl, they did well, we won the championship but come on man, zero spinners ? I often batted last, fielded well and i was the spearhead spin bowler who just never got to bowl, it is simply sad as it gets. But its ok, it has given me motivation, the newer adults im working with are people who are actually finding the talent in me which i never knew existed. Im improving and i will only improve from here on. Now i gotta show all the fags that talked ****, I might not be better than them now, but soon i'll surpass them interms of skills. Bring it on bitches.

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

When do you start netting?

We usually begin in Febuary/March but there has been absolutely no information about it as of yet).

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

I was treated like this in highschool, im 20 now, i played my first league season with adult team and i did fairly ok. Alot of guys are really amazed how much i can turn, but i had issue with controls. My highschool captains all only let the pacers bowl, they did well, we won the championship but come on man, zero spinners ? I often batted last, fielded well and i was the spearhead spin bowler who just never got to bowl, it is simply sad as it gets. But its ok, it has given me motivation, the newer adults im working with are people who are actually finding the talent in me which i never knew existed. Im improving and i will only improve from here on. Now i gotta show all the fags that talked ****, I might not be better than them now, but soon i'll surpass them interms of skills. Bring it on bitches.

It is simply frustrating - I've suffered the same problem, with my captains favouring fast (most of which are actually only medium pace) bowlers, even encouraging me to bowl quicker one of the rare occasions he has brought me onto bowl (I'm guessing he doesn't fully understand the responsibility and style of a spin bowler). But, I will probably continue playing for them because of the convenience of travel (they offer a minibus service to both home and away games) and because of the decent atmosphere there (although with the new captain, fortunes should improve)

 

[khalil1986]

We usually begin in Febuary/March but there has been absolutely no information about it as of yet).

Bit late really, I start in a couple days so by March should be well into my work.