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Would you pick Misbah-ul-Haq over Inzamam-ul-Haq in ODIs?

Misbah fans have never been the best readers of the game and that's putting it mildly.
 
I respect Misbah for the respect he brought back to Pakistan after the dark era of spot-fixing.

A decent ODI batsman who did very well in Pakistan's poorest batting line up.

However, you can't even think about bringing him and Inzamam in the same sentence.

Inzamam is arguably our best ever ODI batsman till date. Yes, he underachieved because of his fitness issues, but still he was light years ahead of Misbah.

Misbah was extremelly limited and painfully slow as a batsman, his ODI career strike rate was even lower than Inzamam who played throughout the 90s and 2000s and still managed to score quicker than Misbah who played in the late 2000s and 2010s.

The knocks Inzamam played against India in the mid 2000s are enough to bring a full stop to this debate. The 1992 SF knock should not even be mentionned.

Misbah doesn't belong to that category.

He did well in a poor batting line up, but in the list of the greatest Pakistani ODI batsmen, he comes behind the likes of Inzamam, Miandad, Babar, Yousuf, Zaheer, etc...
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan should have won the 2004 series especially after taking a 2-1 lead in Peshawar.

Inzamam batted brilliantly in that series but his captaincy was exposed. The way he let India off the hook in the fourth ODI in Lahore after India were reduced to 90/4 while chasing 292 was very disappointing.

There is no way Pakistan should have lost that game and the series should have been wrapped up 3-1 there and then.

India’s fight back in that game meant they had all the momentum in the decider which was played at the same venue. Losing the toss didn’t help either and Pakistan couldn’t cope with the pressure of chasing in the decider.

Pakistan did really well to fight back from 2-0 down to win the series 4-2 in India in 2005, but it was the 2006 series where you could tell that India was leapfrogging Pakistan in the format.

Pakistan just couldn’t deal with Yuvraj and Dhoni. Young Dhoni with that vampire helmet and long hair was something else.
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Thanks for the great memories :)

Not sure if you’ve seen it but one Inzy’s most underrated knocks was his 121* against India in the Coca Cola Sharjah Cup in 2000.

If my memory serves me correctly - we lost the earlier game against India but on that day Inzy was in beast mode. He along with MoYo helped us pile on 270 ish which is like 350 today. Blew India out of the water that day!!
 
msb314 said:
Thanks for the great memories :)

Not sure if you’ve seen it but one Inzy’s most underrated knocks was his 121* against India in the Coca Cola Sharjah Cup in 2000.

If my memory serves me correctly - we lost the earlier game against India but on that day Inzy was in beast mode. He along with MoYo helped us pile on 270 ish which is like 350 today. Blew India out of the water that day!!
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I remember. I believe South Africa was also part of that series and Afridi and Nazir gave Pakistan a flying start against them in one of the games.

Ever since the MoYo and Inzamam era ended, Pakistan have longed for a reliable pair in the format. They have Babar and Imam now and all Pakistani fans do is criticize them for not batting at a SR of 150.

They have forgotten the dark days of the 2010s where Pakistan’s ODI batting reached its lowest ebb.
 
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Mamoon said:
I remember. I believe South Africa was also part of that series and Afridi and Nazir gave Pakistan a flying start against them in one of the games.

Ever since the MoYo and Inzamam era ended, Pakistan have longed for a reliable pair in the format. They have Babar and Imam now and all Pakistani fans do is criticize them for not batting at a SR of 150.

They have forgotten the dark days of the 2010s where Pakistan’s ODI batting reached its lowest ebb.
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Oh yes absolutely.

The current team is great but I feel like our middle order options are only good in Asian conditions I.e Rizwan and Salman. This of course has been an issue since MoYo retired because Shoaib Malik was also an Asian specialist..
 
msb314 said:
Thanks for the great memories :)

Not sure if you’ve seen it but one Inzy’s most underrated knocks was his 121* against India in the Coca Cola Sharjah Cup in 2000.

If my memory serves me correctly - we lost the earlier game against India but on that day Inzy was in beast mode. He along with MoYo helped us pile on 270 ish which is like 350 today. Blew India out of the water that day!!
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Old memories, tha was some knock.
 
I'll digress from the topic a a bit here. Up until India won the 2011 World Cup, the only thing we used to hear from Pakistani fans is that Inzamam helped his team win a World Cup, while Tendulkar hadn't till that point. Lack of a World Cup victory was so frequently brought up by Inzamam fans when trying to compare him with Tendulkar back then.

Now when Inzamam's record in World Cups is brought in discussion in this thread, you are hearing posters say that World Cups aren't everything, and that bilaterals during Inzamam's time held equal importance and pressure as World Cups.
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan should have won the 2004 series especially after taking a 2-1 lead in Peshawar.

Inzamam batted brilliantly in that series but his captaincy was exposed. The way he let India off the hook in the fourth ODI in Lahore after India were reduced to 90/4 while chasing 292 was very disappointing.

There is no way Pakistan should have lost that game and the series should have been wrapped up 3-1 there and then.

India’s fight back in that game meant they had all the momentum in the decider which was played at the same venue. Losing the toss didn’t help either and Pakistan couldn’t cope with the pressure of chasing in the decider.

Pakistan did really well to fight back from 2-0 down to win the series 4-2 in India in 2005, but it was the 2006 series where you could tell that India was leapfrogging Pakistan in the format.

Pakistan just couldn’t deal with Yuvraj and Dhoni. Young Dhoni with that vampire helmet and long hair was something else.
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Even then there were enough cracks in Indian LOI team. Chappel had Sehwag batting at 3 and Tendulkar at 4 in the wc. The good thing he did was installing Yuvraj, Raina and Dhoni at 5 6 7. That supersub rule was also pretty stupid.

But seriously though having a bowling attack of Sami, Rana, Asif, Malik, Afridi and Razzaq (when they were more batters than bowlers) with Asif only being a credible international quality bowler (but only in the first 20 overs). Apart from Asif, that bowling attack was as toothless as it could have been.

Pak shouldn't have lost the first game either. Moin Khan was batting like he was half asleep. Zaheer was bowling full tosses. Moin should have been discarded a year earlier. The last game as well, Inzi was caught brilliantly at the boundary. And the Malik and Moin had brought Pak back in the game only to bottle it later.

As much as I think about it, Inzi's tactics and selections really boil my blood. There was Saeed Ajmal, Abdur Rehman, Arshad Khan and Zulfiqar Babar in the domestic yet Abdur Rehman and Arshad Khan got a few matches and that's it.

In the 2006 series, Salman Butt was getting out to Pathan in the first over. It was so awful that Imran Farhat looked like a massive upgrade later on.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Even then there were enough cracks in Indian LOI team. Chappel had Sehwag batting at 3 and Tendulkar at 4 in the wc. The good thing he did was installing Yuvraj, Raina and Dhoni at 5 6 7. That supersub rule was also pretty stupid.

But seriously though having a bowling attack of Sami, Rana, Asif, Malik, Afridi and Razzaq (when they were more batters than bowlers) with Asif only being a credible international quality bowler (but only in the first 20 overs). Apart from Asif, that bowling attack was as toothless as it could have been.

Pak shouldn't have lost the first game either. Moin Khan was batting like he was half asleep. Zaheer was bowling full tosses. Moin should have been discarded a year earlier. The last game as well, Inzi was caught brilliantly at the boundary. And the Malik and Moin had brought Pak back in the game only to bottle it later.

As much as I think about it, Inzi's tactics and selections really boil my blood. There was Saeed Ajmal, Abdur Rehman, Arshad Khan and Zulfiqar Babar in the domestic yet Abdur Rehman and Arshad Khan got a few matches and that's it.

In the 2006 series, Salman Butt was getting out to Pathan in the first over. It was so awful that Imran Farhat looked like a massive upgrade later on.
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Moin Khan was finished by 2003, he should have been put out to pasture along with Rashid Latif because Kamran Akmal was better by 2003-2004.

In fact, Kamran was really good in 2004-2005. Had he played the India series ahead of Moin the outcome could have been different.

Moin was a walking wicket in that series. The way he got clean bowled like a tailender by Sachin in the Rawalpindi Test on the final ball of the day was just embarrassing.
 
Inzy and Misbah comparison is frankly a topic unworthy of discussion. Enough and more points have been made by posters.

Would just like to add that the GOAT Pak cricketers owe a lot to Inzy's semifinal inns against NZ without which invariably Pak would have lost humiliatingly to NZ in semifinals.

Imran's legacy would be very different and he might never have become a politician.

Akram - not being a WC hero- might never have gotten the clean chit from Justice Qayyum that saved his legacy.
 
Major said:
God dammit now [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] is gonna be angry :))

But im being serious here, Inzamam could not perform in an ICC tournament. He avg 23 in 35 World Cup games, and 21 in 5 Champions trophy games. Guy could not bat under pressure. We all know how poor the attitude of the team was under him. He couldn't even score against West Indies, Ireland and Zimbabwe

Misbah batted his heart out in every ICC tournament game. Misbah had an avg of 49 in 15 world cup games and 53 in 7 champions trophy games. Misbah stood up in games that mattered.

Also do a breakdown of Inzamams scores in SENA,

Avg of 26 in 45 odis in Australia
Avg of 34 in 31 odis in England
Avg of 24 in 23 odis in New Zealand
Avg of 26 in 34 odis in South Africa


Meanwhile Misbah avgs in Sena

Avg of 55 in Australia (All world Cup Games)
Avg of 86 in England
Avg of 54 in New Zealand
Avg of 47 in South Africa

Career avg, Misbah was at 43 while Inzi was at 39 even after bashing on flat track. Inzi was a flat track bully that couldn't do anything in ICC tournaments.

I know no one is gonna agree here, and the discussion will go no where. Not here to convince anyone as i am already convinced
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Funny how everyone selectively ignored this stat
 
Hitman said:
I'll digress from the topic a a bit here. Up until India won the 2011 World Cup, the only thing we used to hear from Pakistani fans is that Inzamam helped his team win a World Cup, while Tendulkar hadn't till that point. Lack of a World Cup victory was so frequently brought up by Inzamam fans when trying to compare him with Tendulkar back then.

Now when Inzamam's record in World Cups is brought in discussion in this thread, you are hearing posters say that World Cups aren't everything, and that bilaterals during Inzamam's time held equal importance and pressure as World Cups.
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The same posters in other discussion dont care about bilalteral series. Like i have said, the discussion would go no where. Inzi had a terrible record at Sena and was a flat track bully
 
Paul Scholes and Kevin Nolan,
Edge and Shelton Benjamin
Clarke and Lehmann
Inzimam and Misbah
Liverpool and Everton
 
Hitman said:
I'll digress from the topic a a bit here. Up until India won the 2011 World Cup, the only thing we used to hear from Pakistani fans is that Inzamam helped his team win a World Cup, while Tendulkar hadn't till that point. Lack of a World Cup victory was so frequently brought up by Inzamam fans when trying to compare him with Tendulkar back then.

Now when Inzamam's record in World Cups is brought in discussion in this thread, you are hearing posters say that World Cups aren't everything, and that bilaterals during Inzamam's time held equal importance and pressure as World Cups.
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Between two equal category players its a good measure.

However when there is a massive gulf between players then no world cup can cover it.
 
The OP asks a question - so a poll should be added. And it should have three answer choices

Yes
No
May God help us.
 
Mamoon said:
Moin Khan was finished by 2003, he should have been put out to pasture along with Rashid Latif because Kamran Akmal was better by 2003-2004.

In fact, Kamran was really good in 2004-2005. Had he played the India series ahead of Moin the outcome could have been different.

Moin was a walking wicket in that series. The way he got clean bowled like a tailender by Sachin in the Rawalpindi Test on the final ball of the day was just embarrassing.
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Kamran's problem was he was only good when he played in the top order. Took too much time to get going when he batted in the middle order.

We had no other keeper besides Kamran then. Humayun Farhat and Mohammad Salman were distant seconds. And they weren't international material.
 
This comparison is insane, forget achievements, you watch the two bat and it should answer the question.

Inzi’s overall WC record isn’t amazing but he had insane impact in the 92 WC and helped Pakistan massively, he has been involved in some of the greatest ODI games of all time and delivered under pressure. As a player he is superior and his overall body of work is there to see.

Misbah did well in a fragile line up but technically he is inferior and he never delivered under intense pressure, always went into his shell in LOI’s, so much that his failure in the 2007 WT20 and 2011 WC have defined his legacy for many
 
Mamoon said:
[MENTION=51465]DeadlyVenom[/MENTION] makes a very pertinent point. This over emphasis on ICC tournament performances and degrading bilateral cricket is a 2010s and 2020s concept.

In the 90s and 2000s, bilateral cricket had immense pressure and importance. This was also the era of Sharjah Cups and tri-series, quadruple tournaments that were no less important than ICC tournaments and had massive fan following and carried so much weight of expectations.

Discounting all of that and focusing on World Cups only and concluding that Misbah was better than Inzamam is just nonsense. This is something [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] needs to understand. Context matters a lot.

Besides, even if we only talk about World Cups, Inzamam has won Pakistan a World Cup and played the greatest innings ever played by a Pakistani batsman in a World Cup. That alone kills any debate with Misbah even if we are strictly talking about World Cup performances.
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Very well said.

You're right to point out that Inzamam played the greatest innings ever played by a Pakistani batsman in a World Cup, I should also add, Misbah played the worst innings every played by a Pakistani batsman in a World Cup.
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan should have won the 2004 series especially after taking a 2-1 lead in Peshawar.

Inzamam batted brilliantly in that series but his captaincy was exposed. The way he let India off the hook in the fourth ODI in Lahore after India were reduced to 90/4 while chasing 292 was very disappointing.

There is no way Pakistan should have lost that game and the series should have been wrapped up 3-1 there and then.

India’s fight back in that game meant they had all the momentum in the decider which was played at the same venue. Losing the toss didn’t help either and Pakistan couldn’t cope with the pressure of chasing in the decider.

Pakistan did really well to fight back from 2-0 down to win the series 4-2 in India in 2005, but it was the 2006 series where you could tell that India was leapfrogging Pakistan in the format.

Pakistan just couldn’t deal with Yuvraj and Dhoni. Young Dhoni with that vampire helmet and long hair was something else.
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Wow, I still remember 2004 series my grandpa came to pick me up from school and said let's go quickly, Pakistan's batting is gonna start. By the time we reached, Imran farhat was already out along with other opener Yasir Hameed perhaps. Then came inzi, with bearded look first time probably had come from Haj and smashed brilliant 100. That catch of Malik by flying Kaif changed the game completely and then debutant Rana wasting 3 straight deliveries in penultimate over just locked the game for India.

I was numb for a moment couldn't speak for almost 30 minutes, and my parents were so afraid that they did not let me watch 2nd ODI on TV. What an era it was!
 
King_Babar said:
Wow, I still remember 2004 series my grandpa came to pick me up from school and said let's go quickly, Pakistan's batting is gonna start. By the time we reached, Imran farhat was already out along with other opener Yasir Hameed perhaps. Then came inzi, with bearded look first time probably had come from Haj and smashed brilliant 100. That catch of Malik by flying Kaif changed the game completely and then debutant Rana wasting 3 straight deliveries in penultimate over just locked the game for India.

I was numb for a moment couldn't speak for almost 30 minutes, and my parents were so afraid that they did not let me watch 2nd ODI on TV. What an era it was!
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I remember that 350 - 344 match too. Samsung series it was.
 
There is no comparison between Misbah and Inziman in terms of ODI stats. Yes if Misbah had played at much younger age. It would have been different story. I am fan of Misbah but inziman was far better batter than Misbah in all formats of the game. Both ways , technically and practically.
 
King_Babar said:
Wow, I still remember 2004 series my grandpa came to pick me up from school and said let's go quickly, Pakistan's batting is gonna start. By the time we reached, Imran farhat was already out along with other opener Yasir Hameed perhaps. Then came inzi, with bearded look first time probably had come from Haj and smashed brilliant 100. That catch of Malik by flying Kaif changed the game completely and then debutant Rana wasting 3 straight deliveries in penultimate over just locked the game for India.

I was numb for a moment couldn't speak for almost 30 minutes, and my parents were so afraid that they did not let me watch 2nd ODI on TV. What an era it was!
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heddie19 said:
I remember that 350 - 344 match too. Samsung series it was.
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There's a good book about that iconic 2004 series called Pundits from Pakistan written by the Indian journalist Rahul Bhattacharya.

Definitely recommend it. Just finished the chapter on the Karachi ODI which to this day remains one of the greatest cricket matches I've seen.
 
This has got to be the biggest joke question ever.

Was not a fan of Inzi the captain, but he was an ATG batsman and buries Misbah in every department.
 
There was a time when Inzi was pretty overrated in ODI's. Between 1996 World Cup and the end of 2003 World Cup was I think a rough time for Inzi. That middle order would get stuck and Inzi was simply not a top 4 batter. When MoYo came, it should have been MoYo 3, Ijaz 4 and Inzi at 5 especially considering MoYo had the best technique to play movement and the World Cup in 99 was early season England.

Instead, PAK think tank played Ijaz for years at #3 until the eve of the World Cup and then brought in Abdul Razzaq at 3 in the first match vs WI and played MoYo at 6 :)))

After 2 failures at 4, Ijaz scored 50 against NZ at #4 and then very next game they brought him back to 3 against BD and he was out for a duck :)))

Kept switching Ijaz between 3 and 4 for God knows what and MoYo, whenever he played, batted at 6.

And many here thought Pakistan were favourites against Australia . That extraordinary lower order hitting by Moin, Wasim etc. and some luck against tired WI and Australian units who had come straight from the caribbean after a lng, hard fought bilateral is why PAK made the semis even.
 
I started watching cricket from 2006. My first cricket memory of watching Inzi live was against England in England. We were given a huge target relative to that era. Younis Khan made century. Inzamam came in and finished the game with a blistering 40 something. The inning overall was so eye catching. The way he was pulling the pacers with so ease is still a sight to remember. I haven't seen anyone after him playing with similar command against the faster bowlers from the Pakistani lot.

And this was Inzi's retirement year and he became chubbier. People who have seen batting him live in his prime can give a better opinion.

I believe, in terms of stats, he underachieved due to his fitness, laziness and lack of professionalism. Had he been disciplined like Misbah, he would have achieved significantly higher milestones. Maybe he would have had stats similar to Rickey Ponting.

There is no comparison between him and Misbah.
 
You can watch cricket from 1990 or 2010 or 2050.

Misbah was a good ODI bat.

Thats where the comparison ends.
 
Inzamam was a legend. He was a World Cup winner.

Misbah was just a very good batter.

Inzi wins easily. Not really a comparison.
 
Sher Khan said:
Inzamam played 378 ODIS and only scored 10 hundreds. Babar has played 99 and has 18 hundreds.

No way, was Inzamam some ATG. He is terribly overrated in ODIS.
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During those days, batting was tougher.

Many of Babar's centuries are against depleted sides. Inzi's centuries were against top sides.

Century used to mean something during those days. Anyone can score a century nowadays.
 
heddie19 said:
I remember that 350 - 344 match too. Samsung series it was.
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Amazing series it was, Pak almost won the series before Balaji dismantled the Pak top order in series decider and more than half of the team was back to pavilion under 100 runs.
 
For me, Inzi remains the best batsman I have ever seen playing from Pakistan. Better than Sayeed Anwar against fast bowlers, lethal against spinner with a cool head. Infact, I rank him higher than Md Yousuf and Younis Khan. I believe, Babar is the closest to him, though he needs to prove his mettle in crunch matches.
 
There is not a single Pakistani fan who will choose Misbah over Inzimam except one guy.

That should end discussion.
 
Sher Khan said:
Inzamam played 378 ODIS and only scored 10 hundreds. Babar has played 99 and has 18 hundreds.

No way, was Inzamam some ATG. He is terribly overrated in ODIS.
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Is this sarcasm? babar plays in an era when they use 2 new balls, have only 4 fielders outside the inner circle between overs 10-40, flat pitches. Also Babar didn't face the quality of McGrath, Marshall, Brett Lee, Donald, Warne, muralitharan, Kumble and the list goes on. Moreover Babar comes one down while inzi batted at 4-5 for most of his career with openers like Saeed anwar, aamir sohail etc who played out mnay overs before he got a chance.

I have been watching cricket from mid-1980s which means even before Sachin and Inzi made their debut. The way cricket was played in 90s until early 2000s was completely different from now. Then even 230-250 was a winning total unlike now where 350 is not safe. Inzi's SF knock is much more worthy than what Babar has played till now in his career.

For the topic, Inzi - daylight - Misbah
 
I didn't even know this thread existed.

@Major Bro no offence, but tournaments arent the be all and end all of a player. Any person can average higher if they just nudge and nudge and play risk free.

You need to actually watch players and see their impact. Inzi in 1992 had more impact then misbah in 2015 wc beside misbah performing on more occasions.

Match wins matter. Averages don't tell the whole picture especially if those said averages are 2 different eras. Inzi is from 2 generations before misbah as a cricketer.
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan should have won the 2004 series especially after taking a 2-1 lead in Peshawar.

Inzamam batted brilliantly in that series but his captaincy was exposed. The way he let India off the hook in the fourth ODI in Lahore after India were reduced to 90/4 while chasing 292 was very disappointing.

There is no way Pakistan should have lost that game and the series should have been wrapped up 3-1 there and then.

India’s fight back in that game meant they had all the momentum in the decider which was played at the same venue. Losing the toss didn’t help either and Pakistan couldn’t cope with the pressure of chasing in the decider.

Pakistan did really well to fight back from 2-0 down to win the series 4-2 in India in 2005, but it was the 2006 series where you could tell that India was leapfrogging Pakistan in the format.

Pakistan just couldn’t deal with Yuvraj and Dhoni. Young Dhoni with that vampire helmet and long hair was something else.
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2004 Indian tour to Pakistan was one the best ever. I watched full tour ( 3 test ,5 odi ) where first time we won test series and ODi series .
2006 tour where india were won the odi series with 4-1 .first odi where Pakistan won due to bad light ( inzy out due to obstructing the field)
Rest four game india were won mainly due to Yuvi and Dhoni partnership .
 
Misbah doesn’t have any hundreds so it shows he’s selfless and puts the team first.
 
Suleiman said:
Man, some bittersweet memories here. Still remember Inzi getting out… still remember that moment so clearly. It’s like all the hype and excitement drained instantly, but then all you could do when he was walking back was just realize what an epic innings just took place.
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Man I remember that game as well one of my fav Indo- Pak contests
 
Comparing Inzimam with Misbah in ODI is like comparing Viv Richards with Geof Bycott in ODI , its absurd and utter nonsense . You're comparing a batsmen who won WC for Pakistan and other guy lost 2 WCs by his very personal effort.
 
moghul said:
Comparing Inzimam with Misbah in ODI is like comparing Viv Richards with Geof Bycott in ODI , its absurd and utter nonsense . You're comparing a batsmen who won WC for Pakistan and other guy lost 2 WCs by his very personal effort.
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Come on, Boycott has an SR of 53, Viv has an SR of 90. The difference is humongous between the 2. Misbah has an SR of 73.75, while Inzamam has an SR of 74.24

I've seen Inzamam's entire career. He was a much better batsman than Misbah in the ODI format. But the difference between Inzamam and Misbah isn't as big as the difference between Viv and Boycott, not even close.
 
Major said:
I infact started watching cricket from 2005 onwards, and became more religious follower of the game from 2007 but 2010 onwards is where i started doing discussion. I remember watching Inzi during few series in 2005 and 2006, but I couldn't really digust the no show Inzi at the champions trophy we had in before 2007 and his performance at the 2007 world cup. You dig up his stats, they arn't that impressive, just played alot of games and scored more on flat tracks
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If you watch cricket from 2005, you are probably not in a position to compare Inzi to Misbah. You missed Inzi's peak.

Inzi faced tougher bowlers. There was also no UDRS during his time.
 
I mean overall record Inzamam is clearly better, but Inzamam failing in every single ICC tournament is a massive mark against him. Can’t even remember the number of times he failed us in World Cups - which is even more disappointing because you could see how much talent was there. Misbah on the other hand didn’t have 1/10 of the talent that Inzaman had, he was very limited, which is why my expectations of him were way less.
 
sweep_shot said:
If you watch cricket from 2005, you are probably not in a position to compare Inzi to Misbah. You missed Inzi's peak.

Inzi faced tougher bowlers. There was also no UDRS during his time.
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Inzi is just another babar azam in icc tournaments. Both fail to do anything when it matters
 
160KPH said:
I mean overall record Inzamam is clearly better, but Inzamam failing in every single ICC tournament is a massive mark against him. Can’t even remember the number of times he failed us in World Cups - which is even more disappointing because you could see how much talent was there. Misbah on the other hand didn’t have 1/10 of the talent that Inzaman had, he was very limited, which is why my expectations of him were way less.
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Misbah performed in games that mattered especially in icc tournaments
 
Terrible ODI number 4/number 5 from around 2009.

He was the least impactful middle order batsman who played in that time. Worse than Marlon Samuels. At least Samules scored 4 tons against Top sides while batting that low. This guy just made sure scoreboard absolutely crawled along at snail's pace and destroyed any momentum.

Literally nobody was slower than him

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Inzy was obviously the more talented and the overall stats clearly show that. But I will take Misbah for ICC tournaments. Inzy’s inability to perform at the big stage definitely dent his credibility for me. He was a major reason why Pakistan never won the World Cup when the team had high profile stars. You just could never count on him to deliver. Was a walking wicket and often got out in commical fashion which showed he never took the ICC tournaments serious.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Terrible ODI number 4/number 5 from around 2009.

He was the least impactful middle order batsman who played in that time. Worse than Marlon Samuels. At least Samules scored 4 tons against Top sides while batting that low. This guy just made sure scoreboard absolutely crawled along at snail's pace and destroyed any momentum.

Literally nobody was slower than him

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Can't believe de Villiers and misbah played in the same era 😂😂.
 
Inzi any day over Misbah.. Misbah is one of the worst thing to happen for Pakistan LOI cricket. He is still not leaving them to progress and he still gets to sit in these stupid commitees.
Inzamam was a pure match winner on his day, could change gears, pace an ODI innings and win a game single handedly out of no where. A Pakistani ATG and in general a GOAT ODI batter
 
Comparing Inzi with Misbah is blasphemous. Him along with Saeed Anwar were the only Pakistani batsmen i wanted to be in the Indian team 😎
 
@Major

Please explain why when it comes to Misbah vs Inzamam, you think Misbah is better because as per you, Inzamam didn’t do anything in World Cups and that is all that matters. Bilateral performances don’t matter.

However, when it comes to Pakistan vs India, you want to claim bragging rights over Pakistan’s superior bilateral record and want to ignore World Cup results?
 
Both were rubbish ODI batsmen to be honest. But if I had to pick, I would pick Misbah over Inzamam. Atleast the chance of run outs greatly reduced.

Also Misbah was a better hitter against spin bowling. Inzamam is greatly overrated.
 
Sher Khan said:
Both were rubbish ODI batsmen to be honest. But if I had to pick, I would pick Misbah over Inzamam. Atleast the chance of run outs greatly reduced.

Also Misbah was a better hitter against spin bowling. Inzamam is greatly overrated.
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One of Inzamam’s signature shots was coming down the track and hitting spinners straight down the ground for a massive six.

It is very obvious that you didn’t watch Inzamam play at all. Anyone who did cannot prefer Misbah over him. It is impossible.

Even Misbah’s family would agree that he is nowhere near Inzamam who was far and far away from being a “rubbish” batsman.

Inzamam is undoubtedly one of the best middle-order ODI batsmen in history especially from the subcontinent. Along with Javed Miandad and Saleem Malik, he is probably only the third Pakistani batsman whose brain properly functioned during a big run chase.

Pakistan became a very strong chasing side during his captaincy and it had everything to do with him.

@MMHS I would love your dissection of this blasphemy.
 
Mamoon said:
@Major

Please explain why when it comes to Misbah vs Inzamam, you think Misbah is better because as per you, Inzamam didn’t do anything in World Cups and that is all that matters. Bilateral performances don’t matter.

However, when it comes to Pakistan vs India, you want to claim bragging rights over Pakistan’s superior bilateral record and want to ignore World Cup results?
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Apples and oranges.... two different topics that you are trying to look from the same lense.

Individuals and teams.

When discussing individuals there performance towards winning the main title will matter.

When it comes to team, yes winning the title is priority, but hasnt pakistan won a world cup without beating india?

In every sport your H2H is looked at, esecially when it comes to rivalry.

If you are going to look at it with a magnifying glass than why just world cup? Why not icc tournaments? Atleast when it comes to inzi vs.misbah im looking at all icc tournaments
 
Major said:
Apples and oranges.... two different topics that you are trying to look from the same lense.

Individuals and teams.

When discussing individuals there performance towards winning the main title will matter.

When it comes to team, yes winning the title is priority, but hasnt pakistan won a world cup without beating india?

In every sport your H2H is looked at, esecially when it comes to rivalry.

If you are going to look at it with a magnifying glass than why just world cup? Why not icc tournaments? Atleast when it comes to inzi vs.misbah im looking at all icc tournaments
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Just because it exposes your double standards it doesn’t mean it is an apple-oranges comparison.

Misbah’s batting has contributed 0 trophies for Pakistan while Inzamam has, therefore, using your own logic, you cannot rate Misbah over Inzamam.

Similarly, since tournament performances are all that matter to you individually, how is it different for teams when individual performances make up team performances? You cannot separate the two.

Besides, even if you consider all ICC tournaments, India is way ahead of Pakistan in H2H and since tournament performances matter a lot more to you, this H2H should have much more significance than the ones where Pakistan won bilateral matches.

You need to stop digging a hole for yourself. Just admit that you are incapable of being rational when it comes to Misbah and you have a severe bias.

It is perfectly fine to have biases. We all do. The only difference is that some people accept their biases while others try to hide it with mental gymnastics like you are doing after I put you on the spot.

I respect you as a poster and your temperament but I would appreciate if you are more honest about your severe bias instead of coming up with justifications that you know and everyone else knows are very fragile.
 
Man this is an absolute joke.. insulting to inzi to be compared to tuk tuk misbah. Misbah destroyed an entire generation of pak cricket and fans with hisbtuk tuk play and captaincy. And india will never forget his 2007 t20 final scoop ! That gave birth to the modern t20 the ipl. Misbah is the father of ipl.. he will be flattered just to be mentioned in the same breath as inzi. He was a mental liliput.
 
Mamoon said:
Just because it exposes your double standards it doesn’t mean it is an apple-oranges comparison.

Misbah’s batting has contributed 0 trophies for Pakistan while Inzamam has, therefore, using your own logic, you cannot rate Misbah over Inzamam.

Similarly, since tournament performances are all that matter to you individually, how is it different for teams when individual performances make up team performances? You cannot separate the two.

Besides, even if you consider all ICC tournaments, India is way ahead of Pakistan in H2H and since tournament performances matter a lot more to you, this H2H should have much more significance than the ones where Pakistan won bilateral matches.

You need to stop digging a hole for yourself. Just admit that you are incapable of being rational when it comes to Misbah and you have a severe bias.

It is perfectly fine to have biases. We all do. The only difference is that some people accept their biases while others try to hide it with mental gymnastics like you are doing after I put you on the spot.

I respect you as a poster and your temperament but I would appreciate if you are more honest about your severe bias instead of coming up with justifications that you know and everyone else knows are very fragile.
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Bro, when did i try to hide my biasness for the Kaptaan.
I think everyone knows how i rate the guy.
 
Mamoon said:
One of Inzamam’s signature shots was coming down the track and hitting spinners straight down the ground for a massive six.

It is very obvious that you didn’t watch Inzamam play at all. Anyone who did cannot prefer Misbah over him. It is impossible.

Even Misbah’s family would agree that he is nowhere near Inzamam who was far and far away from being a “rubbish” batsman.

Inzamam is undoubtedly one of the best middle-order ODI batsmen in history especially from the subcontinent. Along with Javed Miandad and Saleem Malik, he is probably only the third Pakistani batsman whose brain properly functioned during a big run chase.

Pakistan became a very strong chasing side during his captaincy and it had everything to do with him.

@MMHS I would love your dissection of this blasphemy.
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I’ll pick Misbah every time for PAK, when they are facing BD.

Other than that, Misbah’s biggest mistake was that he thought too big of himself and promoted him at number four ala Inzi, without any ability to manoeuvre singles of spinners, neither hitting pacers. At the start of his career, he had a SR of close to 90, batting at 6 & that should have been his best place.

Batting at four without the natural stroke making ability, but with a very good temperament & decent defence, means, he survived for long but was tied down by every bowling unit, stagnating the run rate and risking of wickets from other end.

The struggle of PCT’s middle power play (it wasn’t there that time, but effectively from over 11 to 40 was always same by nature) started from Misbah batting at 4 and team still can not come out of that mindset.
 
Mamoon said:
Just because it exposes your double standards it doesn’t mean it is an apple-oranges comparison.

Misbah’s batting has contributed 0 trophies for Pakistan while Inzamam has, therefore, using your own logic, you cannot rate Misbah over Inzamam.

Similarly, since tournament performances are all that matter to you individually, how is it different for teams when individual performances make up team performances? You cannot separate the two.

Besides, even if you consider all ICC tournaments, India is way ahead of Pakistan in H2H and since tournament performances matter a lot more to you, this H2H should have much more significance than the ones where Pakistan won bilateral matches.

You need to stop digging a hole for yourself. Just admit that you are incapable of being rational when it comes to Misbah and you have a severe bias.

It is perfectly fine to have biases. We all do. The only difference is that some people accept their biases while others try to hide it with mental gymnastics like you are doing after I put you on the spot.

I respect you as a poster and your temperament but I would appreciate if you are more honest about your severe bias instead of coming up with justifications that you know and everyone else knows are very fragile.
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Excellent post.

I would add, it goes beyond severe bias. Major has himself admitted that he supports Misbah more than the Pakistan team itself which I find quite astonishing.
 
topspin said:
Yes so he could player another tuk tuk like he did in Mohali. Makes perfect sense. 👏
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It's a team game and in my ODI team I would play him how I see fit.

Misbah was top performer for Pakistan in both 2011 and 2015 World Cups.

And in Mohali it wasn't the tuk tuk that failed that day it was the boom boom
 
daytrader said:
It's a team game and in my ODI team I would play him how I see fit.

Misbah was top performer for Pakistan in both 2011 and 2015 World Cups.

And in Mohali it wasn't the tuk tuk that failed that day it was the boom boom
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In Mohali, Tendulkar was dropped 4 times, 3 off Afridi’s bowling. And, IIRC Misbah dropped one of those catches.

So, the TukTuk had already stalled before he came out to drive.
 
Inzamam was better than misbah, but he was no odi atg. He had a terrible record against sa/aus, the 2 best bowling lineups of his era. And he was terrible in world cups, with an average of just 22 in 5 wcs
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Inzamam was better than misbah, but he was no odi atg. He had a terrible record against sa/aus, the 2 best bowling lineups of his era. And he was terrible in world cups, with an average of just 22 in 5 wcs
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Terrible in Tournament Finals as well averaging below 30.
 
Inzimam Ul Haq The Gun ODI player anyday.

This comparison sounds exactly like comparing Wasim Akram with Junaid Khan.
 
This is like to pick between a bear and rhino nonetheless Inzi was pleasing on eye
 
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