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Yasir doesn't have a googly like Shadab, Mir, Qadir, Mushtaq or Kaneria.
Hope he develops an efficient googly and flipper which are missing. Than he will be even more lethal leggie.
Yasir doesn't have a googly like Shadab, Mir, Qadir, Mushtaq or Kaneria.
Hope he develops an efficient googly and flipper which are missing. Than he will be even more lethal leggie.
The way he bowls his legbreak, a googly won't be much use against test batsmen because it will be easier to pick than a leggie like Mushy whose stock ball had a lot of top-spin rather than hard side spin and drift so the googly still looked somewhat similar to his stock ball. It's why Warne almost never bowled a googly, it was SO different from his normal leg-break that you could pick it from the stands.
The slider out of the front of the hand will be far more effective than any googly for Yasir.
I think the last ball to Gabriel was a googly.
Yasir doesn't have a googly like Shadab, Mir, Qadir, Mushtaq or Kaneria.
Hope he develops an efficient googly and flipper which are missing. Than he will be even more lethal leggie.
He didn't need Googly - big turners, backed by straighter one would have done it. Problem is, most of his big turners pitched outside leg or out side off moving away. Shane didn't have the Googly either & he was a master of bowling on foot-mark, but he hardly allowed tailender to leave his ball or pad-up. Yasir hardly bowled any flipper or slider, pitching within stick - Gab or Josh are too ordinary to pick big turning leggi & straighter one, therefore they would have been sitting duck with more attacking line.
Just be happy with victory why you have to find faults in it
Shane warne did have a googly but he didn't have much control over it. That's the thing, more than turn Yasir needs control and then variety. Warne was also more about flight and dip so you never knew where the ball was landing as the revs on the ball would make it dip that much sooner. Yasir has only just started bowling around 49 mph but his Standard speed is around 54mph and flat. Really could do with being a bit slower and more flight but good to see him finally slow it down.
Going back to variety, if he can't bowl a googly then like warne he needs a straight one. A flipper for lbw and bowl wicket to wicket, but I think he can't. He has much to develop. He needs to realise that we came within 6 balls of a tie when we we should have wrapped it up ages ago
But he already gets plenty of his wickets bowled and LBW from straighter ones. It's his MO, he is quick through the air and threatens the stumps and pads.
Even the stats bear that out. Warne took 36% of his wickets bowled or LBW meanwhile Yasir has taken 42% of his wickets bowled/LBW.
Contrast that with someone like Rashid, who doesn't have that pace through the air because he's a club-level bowler and not an international one. 16% of his wickets are bowled or LBW because even if the batsman misjudges the line or length slightly, they can adjust because Rashid doesn't have the pace that Yasir does.
Yasir has one of the highest % of Bowled + LBW among leggis bowling for a significant career, probably even more than Kumble. That's why, I think today he was wayward - most of his big turners were pitched outside off, hence batsmen left alone. With that big turn he was getting, even couple of quick non turner would have confused the batsmen, but he hardly pitched the ball within stick this innings. I am sure, this one was an odd day, because hardly ever it'll happen that in such wicket, before the last dragged Bowled, Yasir bowled 36'5 overs & all of his previous 4 wickets were caught (by fielders). and, there were not many lbw shouts either.
Look at Misbah's face before the last ball, he was struggling to contain his smile because he knew exactly what was coming.
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There was never any need to worry, he was just taking the fans on one last rollercoaster ride![]()
I think it was criminal for a no.11 play out 11 balls like that.
Yes he got his wicket at the end but the wicket came due to the field setting.
All was needed was a wrong one as gabriel was readding the hand, he knew the ball will break away and thats it.
The way he bowls his legbreak, a googly won't be much use against test batsmen because it will be easier to pick than a leggie like Mushy whose stock ball had a lot of top-spin rather than hard side spin and drift so the googly still looked somewhat similar to his stock ball. It's why Warne almost never bowled a googly, it was SO different from his normal leg-break that you could pick it from the stands.
The slider out of the front of the hand will be far more effective than any googly for Yasir.
What made Warne so great in Odi if yasir and Warne are so similar?You have nailed it with this post.
Yasir's Googlies are easy to read and so he bowls it less. Simple.
Warne was similar.
Nothing more to be said on this...
P.S.
I think this is also why he's not very good in Odi's.
The way he bowls his legbreak, a googly won't be much use against test batsmen because it will be easier to pick than a leggie like Mushy whose stock ball had a lot of top-spin rather than hard side spin and drift so the googly still looked somewhat similar to his stock ball. It's why Warne almost never bowled a googly, it was SO different from his normal leg-break that you could pick it from the stands.
The slider out of the front of the hand will be far more effective than any googly for Yasir.
but he's Azhar
How do you rate yasir as a spinner @ big mac and mmhs.
Some say he doesnt have a plan B?
Bairstow is growing in confidence here
First half hour up and pakistan looking flat here.
He's the only one creating chances, Yasir is looking toothless.
32 runs partnership , Pitch is not a mine field , England would be looking at a draw.
Im out guys...
Cmon this is boring.
Babar is out bowling Yasir![]()
Yasir troubling stokes but Bairstow finding it easy against him.
Stop bowling around... That's such a negative line.
This is too easy. Whats with the negative tactic of bowling around the wicket
"What was happening, actually, the legbreak that was coming on middle he was playing pretty easily. The one outside off, he had clearly made a plan that he was going to stretch out far forward and then leave it. He was leaving it well.
"As a batsman when I am doing this, if suddenly from the same line from where I am leaving I get a googly, even if I know it is a googly, the chances of my making a mistake are high. Even if you recognise it, because the intention from that line is to not play it - mentally you have planned you are going to leave it. Suddenly from there when it is a googly, you decide to try and play, you can still miss it. I said to Yasir, 'Bowl him two to three googlies in a row so that the intention he has to leave the legbreak from that line [is affected].'"
I think he's great but I feel like he's bowling more bad balls over the last year or so than I remember him bowling when he first started. I don't know how much of that is injury related because he's had a few problems with his back and missed some games because of it.
I understand the obsession with the googly, this is the land of Qadir, Mushy, Kaneria. A 30+ year legacy of bowlers carrying the googly one after the other like the passing of a torch in an ancient Greek relay race. PPers are obsessed with plan B, C, D and E and want bowlers with lots of variations and the ability to bowl six balls in an over and confuse the batsman but that's not how top class bowling works.
Kaneria had a fantastic googly, one of the best ever and he took some absolutely gorgeous wickets with it. What people gloss over is that Kaneria got slated constantly for being impatient and overusing his googly instead of sticking to the plan. Yasir's googly isn't as effective as any of those guys and it's for a good reason. It's because his stock leg-break is much better, spun harder and at a consistently greater pace than any of those guys.
If you have a brilliant leg-break, like Yasir does, then that will be the ball that you bowl MINIMUM 90% of the time. Everything you do branches off that stock-ball that you can bowl with your eyes closed. The vast majority of the time, you only need to make subtle changes in pace and the amount of spin you put on it to create enough variation to keep a batsman on his toes while you put the plan to work. Many times, the natural variation in the pitch will do it for you as evidenced by this famous Shane Warne delivery to Ian Bell in the 2005 Ashes.
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Bell picked the leg-break correctly and left it as he had done many times before only this one for some mysterious reason, whether it hit a harder part of the pitch or landed on a smoother part of the ball, went straight on instead of fizzing past the stumps and another chapter was added to the legend of Shane Warne's fictional mystery deliveries.
Fast forward to 2015 and England's visit to the UAE. It's the second test in Dubai, you all remember the one. Adil Rashid falling with 6 overs left in the final day to seal a win that everyone had written off as a draw. The most nerve-biting finish anyone could remember until what happened yesterday in Dominica. Of course you all remember.
Do you remember Bairstow's wicket? Playing all around a Yasir Shah googly like a tailender? Maybe you do, maybe you don't.
All that wrist-slitting and it wasn't even lunch time. Why? Because Bairstow was playing Yasir really well, leaving leg-break after leg-break, even ones that pitched on the stumps because he was confident that they were going to turn away. So PP did what PP does and went into full-blown panic mode bemoaning the lack of variations and the rest of it. So what did bowler and captain do? Carry on with the toothless bowling. Let Bairstow block and leave with confidence, it doesn't matter. Then the next part of the plan, go round the wicket for two overs which lead to the obvious complaints:
Only stayed around the wicket for two overs to Bairstow but that was enough to get his eyes and feet used to facing leg-breaks (He hadn't bowled a single googly all morning) coming from around the wicket.
What is happening out there? I'll let Misbah explain it:
Then back over the wicket after just two overs from around the stumps, is this brainless captaincy? Bowler can't make his mind up whether he should be over or around, omg there are 70 overs left in the day but we're not going to win, I'm turning off the TV what the hell this is awful.
But you guys need to chill, it's all part of the plan.
What was the result?
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Even though the batsman wasn't looking for it, because Yasir bowls the googly so rarely, Bairstow picked it easily and played to clip it through midwicket with the spin but was bowled all ends up.
Why? Because he had been set up by facing leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break. Over the wicket? Leg-break. Around the wicket? Leg-break. When Bairstow went to bed that night all he could dream of was leg-breaks. They broke Bairstow out of his comfort zone, which can only be done if you first let him get comfortable. Yasir Shah bowled 249 deliveries in that innings, only 5 (2%) of them were googlies. He took 4/87 and we won the match in the last 7 overs.
If there is anything we should have learned in the last 24 hours, it's that you have five days to take 20 wickets and there's nothing wrong with using every last minute.
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Yasir bowled 222 balls in that innings, 12 (5%) were googlies. He took 5/92 and we won with one over to spare.
Plan B is useless if you don't have faith in Plan A.
That goes for all bowlers, slow or fast. If you're a young seamer, there's a reason you don't practice bouncers and then yorkers and out swing and inswing and slower ball bouncers. Sure you have Plan B, C, D, E, F etc. but congratulations now you're Jade Dernbach and nobody will remember you for anything other than looking like a total idiot with your stupid armsleeve tattoos.
Two things to add:
1) The 5th day of that Dubai test led to the first wrist-slitters thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...rist-slitters-naysayers-pessimists&highlight=
2) We're never going to see Yasir take a wicket and run straight over to Misbah ever again[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]
I think he's great but I feel like he's bowling more bad balls over the last year or so than I remember him bowling when he first started. I don't know how much of that is injury related because he's had a few problems with his back and missed some games because of it.
I understand the obsession with the googly, this is the land of Qadir, Mushy, Kaneria. A 30+ year legacy of bowlers carrying the googly one after the other like the passing of a torch in an ancient Greek relay race. PPers are obsessed with plan B, C, D and E and want bowlers with lots of variations and the ability to bowl six balls in an over and confuse the batsman but that's not how top class bowling works.
Kaneria had a fantastic googly, one of the best ever and he took some absolutely gorgeous wickets with it. What people gloss over is that Kaneria got slated constantly for being impatient and overusing his googly instead of sticking to the plan. Yasir's googly isn't as effective as any of those guys and it's for a good reason. It's because his stock leg-break is much better, spun harder and at a consistently greater pace than any of those guys.
If you have a brilliant leg-break, like Yasir does, then that will be the ball that you bowl MINIMUM 90% of the time. Everything you do branches off that stock-ball that you can bowl with your eyes closed. The vast majority of the time, you only need to make subtle changes in pace and the amount of spin you put on it to create enough variation to keep a batsman on his toes while you put the plan to work. Many times, the natural variation in the pitch will do it for you as evidenced by this famous Shane Warne delivery to Ian Bell in the 2005 Ashes.
![]()
Bell picked the leg-break correctly and left it as he had done many times before only this one for some mysterious reason, whether it hit a harder part of the pitch or landed on a smoother part of the ball, went straight on instead of fizzing past the stumps and another chapter was added to the legend of Shane Warne's fictional mystery deliveries.
Fast forward to 2015 and England's visit to the UAE. It's the second test in Dubai, you all remember the one. Adil Rashid falling with 6 overs left in the final day to seal a win that everyone had written off as a draw. The most nerve-biting finish anyone could remember until what happened yesterday in Dominica. Of course you all remember.
Do you remember Bairstow's wicket? Playing all around a Yasir Shah googly like a tailender? Maybe you do, maybe you don't.
All that wrist-slitting and it wasn't even lunch time. Why? Because Bairstow was playing Yasir really well, leaving leg-break after leg-break, even ones that pitched on the stumps because he was confident that they were going to turn away. So PP did what PP does and went into full-blown panic mode bemoaning the lack of variations and the rest of it. So what did bowler and captain do? Carry on with the toothless bowling. Let Bairstow block and leave with confidence, it doesn't matter. Then the next part of the plan, go round the wicket for two overs which lead to the obvious complaints:
Only stayed around the wicket for two overs to Bairstow but that was enough to get his eyes and feet used to facing leg-breaks (He hadn't bowled a single googly all morning) coming from around the wicket.
What is happening out there? I'll let Misbah explain it:
Then back over the wicket after just two overs from around the stumps, is this brainless captaincy? Bowler can't make his mind up whether he should be over or around, omg there are 70 overs left in the day but we're not going to win, I'm turning off the TV what the hell this is awful.
But you guys need to chill, it's all part of the plan.
What was the result?
![]()
Even though the batsman wasn't looking for it, because Yasir bowls the googly so rarely, Bairstow picked it easily and played to clip it through midwicket with the spin but was bowled all ends up.
Why? Because he had been set up by facing leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break, after leg-break. Over the wicket? Leg-break. Around the wicket? Leg-break. When Bairstow went to bed that night all he could dream of was leg-breaks. They broke Bairstow out of his comfort zone, which can only be done if you first let him get comfortable. Yasir Shah bowled 249 deliveries in that innings, only 5 (2%) of them were googlies. He took 4/87 and we won the match in the last 7 overs.
If there is anything we should have learned in the last 24 hours, it's that you have five days to take 20 wickets and there's nothing wrong with using every last minute.
![]()
Yasir bowled 222 balls in that innings, 12 (5%) were googlies. He took 5/92 and we won with one over to spare.
Plan B is useless if you don't have faith in Plan A.
That goes for all bowlers, slow or fast. If you're a young seamer, there's a reason you don't practice bouncers and then yorkers and out swing and inswing and slower ball bouncers. Sure you have Plan B, C, D, E, F etc. but congratulations now you're Jade Dernbach and nobody will remember you for anything other than looking like a total idiot with your stupid armsleeve tattoos.
Two things to add:
1) The 5th day of that Dubai test led to the first wrist-slitters thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...rist-slitters-naysayers-pessimists&highlight=
2) We're never going to see Yasir take a wicket and run straight over to Misbah ever again[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]
POTW [MENTION=8]MIG[/MENTION] , it really is simple stuff and am not sure why people can't comprehend classic Test cricket. Hopefully Big Mac has enlightened the bacha party, great break down of how to set up a batsman
Misbah has been striked down by retirement but he has become more powerful then ever, his force will always remain with Yasir
Bro thats one amazing explanation in details. Lets hope yasir gets fit and in shape as he will have some rest now.
Yes no misbah to captain him will look very very strange.
What made Warne so great in Odi if yasir and Warne are so similar?
I think it was criminal for a no.11 play out 11 balls like that.
Yes he got his wicket at the end but the wicket came due to the field setting.
All was needed was a wrong one as gabriel was readding the hand, he knew the ball will break away and thats it.