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Yasir Shah becomes first spinner in 140 years to take a 5-wicket haul in five consecutive matches

a testament to Yasirs perserverance and persistence but feeling sorry for him this series. being totally mishandled by Mickey and Sarfraz and getting no help from the pacers.
 
just shows how good warne is at recognizing talent.

even before Yasir step foot in lords, Warne was like we have the words best leggie here. People were skeptical about what he said, and boom, right in that match he gets his name on the Lords honour board.

This also makes me worry about that Indian spinner who Warne has praised
 
Major said:
just shows how good warne is at recognizing talent.

even before Yasir step foot in lords, Warne was like we have the words best leggie here. People were skeptical about what he said, and boom, right in that match he gets his name on the Lords honour board.

This also makes me worry about that Indian spinner who Warne has praised
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Warne praises every single spinner that comes onto the scene, that way if any of them become good he can pretend he knew it all along. If they turn out to be a bit crap then he goes over the top in criticising them to try and make you forget that he praised them originally.

Warne is great at making himself look good above all else, don't fall for the con.
 
Big Mac said:
Warne praises every single spinner that comes onto the scene, that way if any of them become good he can pretend he knew it all along. If they turn out to be a bit crap then he goes over the top in criticising them to try and make you forget that he praised them originally.

Warne is great at making himself look good above all else, don't fall for the con.
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not really.

Warne didnt praise adil rashid. Even though the commies asked him about rashid, he tried to make up some praises.
 
Major said:
just shows how good warne is at recognizing talent.

even before Yasir step foot in lords, Warne was like we have the words best leggie here. People were skeptical about what he said, and boom, right in that match he gets his name on the Lords honour board.

This also makes me worry about that Indian spinner who Warne has praised
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Only reason that Warne is praising Yasir and Kuldeep is because of their performances against Australia.
 
We are ruining him by using as a stock bowler he needs a backup spinner yo relax and execute his plans easily somewhat an off spinner or a left arm :zulfiqarb
 
Major said:
not really.

Warne didnt praise adil rashid. Even though the commies asked him about rashid, he tried to make up some praises.
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-england-2015-16/content/story/935041.html

"The over-riding thing is he's a wonderful bowler," said Warne. "When anyone starts their Test career, it takes time to see the best of them. What we've seen already is some glimpses of magic. We've already seen he can do it at this level.

"It's about being consistent, so that's going to take time. All of us need to be a bit patient with him. And he needs to be patient too. But there's not too many people going round with a better leg-break than Rashid's. He's as good as anyone I've seen, ever.

"It was a pleasure to work with him. I think he has all the toys and tools, I think he's a wonderful bowler, a good kid and he thinks about the game. A lot of spinners don't really think like he does. We have to make sure he doesn't over-think. He needs to keep a clear mind, keep his plans and just go out and deliver."

Warne also said there was no need to always compare the two legspinner in this series. Yasir has a smoother action and bowls significantly quicker than Rashid, whose slower style often allows batsmen to play him off the pitch, but Warne said it was not a one-size-fits-all style.

"They are completely different bowlers. Rashid can be just as successful. It's a different style. It doesn't mean it is not as effective. They can have the best tools in the trade but you have to think right, how big is his heart? Is he up for the fight? Is he patient? Does he want the ball in his hand when it is tough? All those things you don't know about a spin bowler no matter how good you think they are. Yasir looks like he's got it. Rashid, we've seen him bowl some magic in the first Test. So he's got it."
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And of course Warne spent some time 'working' with Rashid and made sure the cameras were around to see it.

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So now whenever Rashid flukes some wickets with his [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] quality pies, Warne can try to take credit just like he does with Yasir. "Make sure you get the ShaneWarne.com logo when you print the story yeah guys?"

Looks like Major has fallen for the con man's tricks, just like many international batsmen worrying about imaginary deliveries that never existed :))
 
Yasir's figures for this innings were 6/184. That is an average of 30.67, hardly anything to get excited about. His 5 match streak has a lot to do with the ineptitude of other Pakistani bowlers, and also facing a weak WI side in the earlier series.
 
Napa said:
Yasir's figures for this innings were 6/184. That is an average of 30.67, hardly anything to get excited about. His 5 match streak has a lot to do with the ineptitude of other Pakistani bowlers, and also facing a weak WI side in the earlier series.
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It's not easy to bowl on this wicket during the first 3-4 days so he has done quiet well given the conditions and that too with no support. Ashwin on the same pitch would have taken 3 wickets for 300 runs during first 3-4 days.
 
He's a world class spinner. Love watching him bowl. He's our main bowler in tests, takes a lot to keep going in that heat and to carry a bowling attack. Credit to him.
 
shaz619 said:
It's not easy to bowl on this wicket during the first 3-4 days so he has done quiet well given the conditions and that too with no support.
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Normally, when you see a 6-fer, you expect to see something like 6/84, not 6/184.

Ashwin on the same pitch would have taken 3 wickets for 300 runs during first 3-4 days.
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Ashwin would not have average 100 per wkt when Shah averaged 30.67. Ashwin's lifetime avg is 25.3 compared to Shah's 29.8. It is not the wkt, Shah is pretty close to his lifetime avg here.
 
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Good bowler,but over rated,understandable though based on bowling options Pakistan have currently.

he had bowling average of 24 before start of overseas tours and at the end it reached 32 or 33 something.
 
saeed5646 said:
check again his best series outside asia is w.i than two match winning performances in Eng
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I know his performances against wi. Ashwin has done even better than him there. Nobody rates performances against west indies.
 
sachin100 said:
I know his performances against wi. Ashwin has done even better than him there. Nobody rates performances against west indies.
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it was similar between yasir and ashwin yasir took 25 wicket in 3 test while ashwin 17 in 3 with one match

washout
 
Napa said:
Yasir's figures for this innings were 6/184. That is an average of 30.67, hardly anything to get excited about. His 5 match streak has a lot to do with the ineptitude of other Pakistani bowlers, and also facing a weak WI side in the earlier series.
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Isn't that whole claim to fame of Kumble :))
 
mummad said:
Good bowler,but over rated,understandable though based on bowling options Pakistan have currently.

he had bowling average of 24 before start of overseas tours and at the end it reached 32 or 33 something.
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now it is 29 if he plays 10 consecutive test more in uae it will come down to 25
 
sachin100 said:
I know his performances against wi. Ashwin has done even better than him there. Nobody rates performances against west indies.
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to burst your bubble

yasir was better than him in wi he took 25 wicket at 21.95 avg and ashwin 17 wicket at 23 avg
 
saeed5646 said:
to burst your bubble

yasir was better than him in wi he took 25 wicket at 21.95 avg and ashwin 17 wicket at 23 avg
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Yes the bubble has busted really isn't it? Thats what we r saying all along. U r team depends on him where as our team has other bowlers who will do the job.

A bowler bowling 50 overs per innings and getting 5 wickets is nothing to be proud of
 
sachin100 said:
Yes the bubble has busted really isn't it? Thats what we r saying all along. U r team depends on him where as our team has other bowlers who will do the job.

A bowler bowling 50 overs per innings and getting 5 wickets is nothing to be proud of
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i am proud of yasir and he deserves unlimited praises the effort he is doing for team
 
JoniInsafian said:
Isn't that whole claim to fame of Kumble :))
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I must have missed the thread talking about Kumble's string of 5-fers.

Also, there is no point in comparing a bowler who has taken 163 wkts to one who has taken 619 wkts.
 
Napa said:
I must have missed the thread talking about Kumble's string of 5-fers.

Also, there is no point in comparing a bowler who has taken 163 wkts to one who has taken 619 wkts.
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Indians can't shut up about his 10 wickets.... When it means that other team mates must have been really bad... Kumble took 10 wickets in 71 overs but 116 overs other bowlers took 0 wickets... Indians should be really ashamed....
 
Napa said:
I must have missed the thread talking about Kumble's string of 5-fers.

Also, there is no point in comparing a bowler who has taken 163 wkts to one who has taken 619 wkts.
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Yes because one played for the better part of two decades and is retired while the Other has finished his third and is still playing.
 
Napa said:
Normally, when you see a 6-fer, you expect to see something like 6/84, not 6/184.



Ashwin would not have average 100 per wkt when Shah averaged 30.67. Ashwin's lifetime avg is 25.3 compared to Shah's 29.8. It is not the wkt, Shah is pretty close to his lifetime avg here.
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Ashwin would be averaging 600 on this wicket, that's why he is only picked for games on rank turners
 
shaz619 said:
Ashwin would be averaging 600 on this wicket, that's why he is only picked for games on rank turners
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Thats your opinion. Lets talk facts.

Shah does avg 29.xx over his career.This 6 for 184 is close to that avg.That is the fact.
 
JoniInsafian said:
Indians can't shut up about his 10 wickets.... When it means that other team mates must have been really bad... Kumble took 10 wickets in 71 overs but 116 overs other bowlers took 0 wickets... Indians should be really ashamed....
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I am getting a bit tired of having to keep referring to numbers. Kumble took 10 wkts conceding 74 runs, that is an avg of 7.4. Yasir's performance of 6/184 has an average of 30.7. There is no comparison.
 
shaz619 said:
Ashwin would be averaging 600 on this wicket, that's why he is only picked for games on rank turners
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I assume you believe that this is a really tough wkt, and therefore Yasir averaged 30.7.

Wickets more suited to Yasir must be the Australian wkts, where he recently averaged 84, or NZ where he recently averaged infinity (thanks to 61 runs for 0 wkts).

Drop the hype and say something sensible based on real numbers for a change.
 
Napa said:
I am getting a bit tired of having to keep referring to numbers. Kumble took 10 wkts conceding 74 runs, that is an avg of 7.4. Yasir's performance of 6/184 has an average of 30.7. There is no comparison.
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The wickets in Kumbles 10 for include Saeed Anwar, Ijaz Ahmed, Saleem Malik, Inzamam ul Haq, Mohammed Yousuf,Moin Khan and Shahid Afridi.

I am pretty sure that this poster will tell us that the Lankan line up is better.
 
cricketjoshila said:
The wickets in Kumbles 10 for include Saeed Anwar, Ijaz Ahmed, Saleem Malik, Inzamam ul Haq, Mohammed Yousuf,Moin Khan and Shahid Afridi.

I am pretty sure that this poster will tell us that the Lankan line up is better.
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The point is that if you take 10 wkts for 74 runs, it means that you have basically out-raced the other bowlers in your team, rather than ending up with a lot of wkts simply because the other bowlers are unable to get them.
 
Needs to get fitter, as a professional sportsman he shouldn't be carrying a belly. His action is deteriorating given his massive workload, he needs a respite. Not more than 20 overs a day especially on unresponsive conditions.
 
Napa said:
I am getting a bit tired of having to keep referring to numbers. Kumble took 10 wkts conceding 74 runs, that is an avg of 7.4. Yasir's performance of 6/184 has an average of 30.7. There is no comparison.
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That part was for you saying that yasir took the consecutive wickets because his team mates are not good...

And how many of Kumble's 600 wickets came in such matches as 6/184? The majority I'd wager....
 
JoniInsafian said:
That part was for you saying that yasir took the consecutive wickets because his team mates are not good...

And how many of Kumble's 600 wickets came in such matches as 6/184? The majority I'd wager....
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Hardly, Kumble was outbowled by Harbhajan many a times, similarly by Zaheer/Irfan/Sreesanth away & majority of his wickets came after 2K.

Earlier it was Srinath & Prasad who outbowled him away.
 
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Napa said:
I assume you believe that this is a really tough wkt, and therefore Yasir averaged 30.7.

Wickets more suited to Yasir must be the Australian wkts, where he recently averaged 84, or NZ where he recently averaged infinity (thanks to 61 runs for 0 wkts).

Drop the hype and say something sensible based on real numbers for a change.
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An Ashwin must be some Aussie specialist who won you a Test there and in England :yk2 you should take your own advice
 
JoniInsafian said:
That part was for you saying that yasir took the consecutive wickets because his team mates are not good...

And how many of Kumble's 600 wickets came in such matches as 6/184? The majority I'd wager....
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And what do you wager? I smell the chance of making some easy money here. Kumble took 10 or more wkts in a Test match (not innings but the entire match) only 8 times. So it is safe to say that most of his wkts did not come from 6-fers, let alone 5-fers.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/30176.html
 
shaz619 said:
An Ashwin must be some Aussie specialist who won you a Test there and in England :yk2 you should take your own advice
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I am not the one who brought the pitches into this discussion, you did.
 
Napa said:
Normally, when you see a 6-fer, you expect to see something like 6/84, not 6/184.



Ashwin would not have average 100 per wkt when Shah averaged 30.67. Ashwin's lifetime avg is 25.3 compared to Shah's 29.8. It is not the wkt, Shah is pretty close to his lifetime avg here.
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Aahwin's played majority of his matches on spin friendly tracks in India, of course his overall avg is going to be lower than Yasir's who's never had the opportunity to bowl on those type of pitches in his entire career. He's mostly toiled on lifeless UAE pitches.
 
Napa said:
I am not the one who brought the pitches into this discussion, you did.
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Ashwin has been pathetic on dead wickets to the point where his team refuse to pick him unless they inject some steroids on to the pitch a night before in fact his own peers refuse to select him on dad wickets. Also, Ashwin has never won you two tests in England or anywhere other then India, Lanka or WI's as a result :(
 
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Very impressive. Something that has never been done before has been done now. It requires a very special player.
 
Ashwin can't even take 5 wicket hauls in 5 consecutive tests on rank turners, Yasir has done it on a lifeless pitch :yk2 Ashwin is the most overly rated spinner ever and he would have averaged 600 in this Test match
 
Red Devil said:
Aahwin's played majority of his matches on spin friendly tracks in India, of course his overall avg is going to be lower than Yasir's who's never had the opportunity to bowl on those type of pitches in his entire career. He's mostly toiled on lifeless UAE pitches.
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It's hard to argue that UAE pitches don't help spinners when 1) Herath did very well last Test 2) Yasir did better than the Pakistani pacers.

Anyway, this comparison with Ashwin is redundant. He was brought into this thread by Shaz who is very good with distractions.

My point was that taking 6 wkts (including the wkts of #10 and #11) at an average of 30.7 isn't much of an achievement and shows a lack of bowling competition from teammates. This point is independent of what Ashwin or Kumble may or may not have achieved.
 
Napa said:
And what do you wager? I smell the chance of making some easy money here. Kumble took 10 or more wkts in a Test match (not innings but the entire match) only 8 times. So it is safe to say that most of his wkts did not come from 6-fers, let alone 5-fers.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/30176.html
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You are saying Yasir's average in this match is 30.... How many of Kumble's wickets are in matches where he averaged 30+?? I'll take the wager
 
R0H1T said:
Hardly, Kumble was outbowled by Harbhajan many a times, similarly by Zaheer/Irfan/Sreesanth away & majority of his wickets came after 2K.

Earlier it was Srinath & Prasad who outbowled him away.
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Srinath and Prasad are the same people who didn't take a wicket in 130 overs leading to Kumble's 10.....
 
shaz619 said:
Ashwin can't even take 5 wicket hauls in 5 consecutive tests on rank turners, Yasir has done it on a lifeless pitch :yk2 Ashwin is the most overly rated spinner ever and he would have averaged 600 in this Test match
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Yasir would have averaged 1,600 on the pitches Ashwin has played on and would have taken the wkts of only #10 and #11.

Everyone has the right to disregard reality and engage in hyperbole, happy now?
 
JoniInsafian said:
Srinath and Prasad are the same people who didn't take a wicket in 130 overs leading to Kumble's 10.....
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Given that there were a total of 60.3 overs bowled in that Test, where did the 130 overs come from?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/15864/scorecard/63829/India-vs-Pakistan-2nd-Test

The other bowlers did not take a wkt in 34 overs, which is about a session of play. Hardly unusual for bowlers to go wicketless in an entire session.

Kumble's 10 wkts in 26.3 overs came at a strike rate of one wkt per 16 balls, whereas Yasir's 6 wkts came at a rate of one every 57 balls.
 
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JoniInsafian said:
You are saying Yasir's average in this match is 30.... How many of Kumble's wickets are in matches where he averaged 30+?? I'll take the wager
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You wagered that majority of Kumble's wickets came from "such matches as 6/184". If you referring to averages rather than number of wkts, you were not clear.
 
The_Odd_One said:
One man army

Best test spinner in the world
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Its a crowded field these days innit. How much really separates Yasir, Ashwin, Jadeja, Herath, even Maharaj?

One will always be better than the other in certain kinds of conditions. Doesn't in and of itself always mean much. Yasir was dud in Aus and NZ, and did truly well in only one Test in England.

Herath has been the more dangerous spinner in this series, and is currently ranked above Yasir by the ICC for a reason

That said, Yasir has had run since he debuted Test cricket like few others. At this rate he'll stands a good chance of being the fastest bowler to 200 Test wickets. Ever.

He'll need about 3-4 wickets a Test for the next 8.

It would be a tremendous achievement.

Was just looking up Murli's stats by comparison and was reminded of what a monster he was. Took a 10fer in 4 consecutive Tests. Twice. 22 10fers in total. That number is just mind boggling. He got a 5 fer in every other Test he played. People hail Warne as the best spinner but Murli was ahead in every aspect. Ave, SR, twice as many 10fers.
 
I miss Misbah even he wouldn't have made the mistake of playing a heavy-pace lineup twice. Yasir has been bowling his heart out. However, he also needs his turning wickets to perform.
 
Don't think Yasir is comfortable with Sarfraz's strategies and tactics. He looked a totally different bowler under Misbah.
 
JoniInsafian said:
Srinath and Prasad are the same people who didn't take a wicket in 130 overs leading to Kumble's 10.....
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Do you even remember the scorecard of that test? No you don;t, India didn;t bowl 130 overs overs in the second innings, also the 3 bowlers took 6 wickets between them in the first innings with AK taking four!
 
saeed5646 said:
don,t worry it won,t be as worse as a overrated off spinner have in away
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thats why ashwin averages 5 points less than goat yasir .who averaged over 1oo in australia and nz series combined.do u think any bowler has such worse figures than shah in nz and aus
 
sachin100 said:
thats why ashwin averages 5 points less than goat yasir .who averaged over 1oo in australia and nz series combined.do u think any bowler has such worse figures than shah in nz and aus
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Even against England he gave away too many runs..Yasir is so lucky to have some of the worst bowlers in his team so he gets majority of the wickets even when opposition bats for 2 days.
 
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sachin100 said:
thats why ashwin averages 5 points less than goat yasir .who averaged over 1oo in australia and nz series combined.do u think any bowler has such worse figures than shah in nz and aus
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how many matches have ashwin played in india and then compare it with yasir in uae if both play similar

amount of matches at home both will have same bowling avg

yasir played only 12 test uae and have 77 wicket

while ashwin have 32 test in india and have 208 wicket

while you bring up yasir performances in aus ,nz what about ashwin in aus and nz

in england yasir have out perform him by winning 2 test for his country
 
Big Mac said:
Warne praises every single spinner that comes onto the scene, that way if any of them become good he can pretend he knew it all along. If they turn out to be a bit crap then he goes over the top in criticising them to try and make you forget that he praised them originally.

Warne is great at making himself look good above all else, don't fall for the con.
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I get what you are saying but That isn’t always the case

He was never too keen on Steve Smith the leggy when all of Australia was saying he will be the next Warne , wasn’t that keen of Fawad Ahmed either
 
mummad said:
Even against England he gave away too many runs..Only good thing Yasir have is worse bowlers in his team so he gets majority of the wickets even when opposition bats for 2 days.
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when u r colour blind infront of totally blind collegues u r bound to get advantage.

if he is skittling teams without others help u can make a claim for his greatness.

but if getting 5 wickets when oppostion scores more than 400 and that too after 50 overs is really atg level then ashwin will never achieve in his dreams
 
saeed5646 said:
how many matches have ashwin played in india and then compare it with yasir in uae if both play similar

amount of matches at home both will have same bowling avg

yasir played only 12 test uae and have 77 wicket

while ashwin have 32 test in india and have 208 wicket

while you bring up yasir performances in aus ,nz what about ashwin in aus and nz

in england yasir have out perform him by winning 2 test for his country
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yasir is the worse bowler to ever tour aus by a country mile
 
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