Younis Khan's dismal record outside Asia is a matter of concern

[Suleiman]

No 4th test flat track for him to cash in this time around, and save for a double century earlier this year, every time this guy has been tested he has fallen short more often than not. In preparation for our next overseas tours he should be dropped asap.

He'll cause a tantrum as per usual, but honestly if you are flaying against every random Tom, Dick and Harry bowling at you in even slightly challenging conditions then you have to ask yourself is it really worth for me to keep playing just to get to 10k runs even if it costs the team?

Pretty much every sane Pak fan predicted and accepted the reality of something like this happening the moment he stepped outside of Fortress UAE.

Thanks for your services, but we have an Australian tour to win.

 

[Slog]

Who should play for him?

Anyways not surprising

His career was always likely to end in tears

 

[Syed1]

Quick arrange a series in UAE, Yuni bhais career is in danger..

 

[Shawaiz]

Similar things were said before his double in Oval. He's had an awful game but that doesn't mean he can't single handedly win us test matches. Entire team is rusty completely different conditions from UAE. Watch him come back next test.

 

[Shafi]

YK, Hafeez, Afridi, Malik, Azhar are our 5 top DON. It will take some time to get rid of them

 

[waleed88]

He got a real good one today, jeez what would've Wahab Riaz done on this pitch

 

[adivic82]

Playing straight away on a grassy wicket without any practice match, will be tough for any Asian team. YK still remains one of the top batsman in the XI. At 40, he may not be consistent but will still win you matches. Fact is no youngster has shown any sort of consistency yet, which is a matter of concern.

Pakistan will need his experience against the Aussies, who are really down on confidence.

P.S: Remains statistically the greatest Pakistani Test batsman of all time, with an incredible conversion ratio of 100s and batting average.

 

[Junaids]

13 failures in his last 15 Test innings outside Asia.

What a massive burden on any team.

 

[msb314]

I would wait until the end of the Australia tour to judge him.

Lets face it - there are others who deserve the axe before him. Will not mention names as I don't want to derail this thread.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Younis normally scores big in 1 innings out of 4. You can check his stats he wont score a 30-50 in 3-4 innings will then score a big hundred or double hundred. He is due now I expect at least 2 big hundreds from him in the next 4 matches. But he should probably retire with Misbah at the end of the Aussie series.

 

[Suleiman]

Similar things were said before his double in Oval. He's had an awful game but that doesn't mean he can't single handedly win us test matches. Entire team is rusty completely different conditions from UAE. Watch him come back next test.

He didn't singlehandedly win the oval test. Shafiq set up the game allowing Younis to flay and hop around while he played the aggressor.

 

[Jabo]

Don't worry

He'll perform soon after losing a couple of games for us

 

[Statsman]

Unpredictable guy. Failed innings after innings in England and then hit a 200 from nowhere. With the media and ex-cricketers support he has it was difficult removing him from LOIs and its going to be almost impossible to remove him from tests. He will retire when he wants to. Meanwhile, his average will continue correcting if he keeps playing outside UAE.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

No,not enough. He has to give world cricket a lot. A bad match can not end him. And still he is one of the best athlete in the team. And who would you replace him? Still none.

 

[Bilal7]

Lol. 32 hundreds, average of 50+ away and in the fourth innings, just hit a 200 in England not too long ago and the fans on the lowest intelligence percentile are mocking the great man. As if any other batsman played a significant knock in this match.

Watch him play a crucial hand in the next game and these same people say that "Duh... that was a flat track".

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Lol. 32 hundreds, average of 50+ away and in the fourth innings, just hit a 200 in England not too long ago and the fans on the lowest intelligence percentile are mocking the great man. As if any other batsman played a significant knock in this match.

Watch him play a crucial hand in the next game and these same people say that "Duh... that was a flat track".

Fans!! The most unpredictable one !!

 

[Suleiman]

The usual chest beaters will pull up the next excuse when he fails yet again next game.

Nobody is disputing if he has 32 hundreds or an average of 50+, if someone has to bring his overall stats spanning from more than a decade back to justify his failures at the CURRENT point in time, then what can you say, comprehension failure on their part.

As for everyone who doesn't watch matches on statsguru exclusively, it is apparent that his reflexes are not what they used to be and quality pace on a track like this will be his undoing.

He is near 40, according to numerous interviews of his own even 41, doesn't take much common sense to realize that we have to move on.

 

[Belawal2014]

Bache ki jaan lou ge kya?

 

[Kianig89]

In for a bumpy ride #GabbaMCGSCG

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Something positive to tell about him, he is a hard worker, fittest athlete. I'm sure he will come back strong as always but he is very inconsistent for being a senior player as they rely on him to score runs for the team. He will play all 5 tests (nzl & aus) not sure with MA as coach that he will let yk a free ride if he doesn't score this time which is different from England. If he fails in all 5 he is in big trouble.

 

[jeetu]

Younis Khan's inning by inning record since 2013
Red is marked as poor performance (0-20 runs), Green is marked as good performance (50+ runs)

Inns	Score	Opposition	Ground	Start Date
2	0	v South Africa	Johannesburg	1-Feb-13
4	15	v South Africa	Johannesburg	1-Feb-13
1	111	v South Africa	Cape Town	14-Feb-13
3	14	v South Africa	Cape Town	14-Feb-13
2	33	v South Africa	Centurion	22-Feb-13
3	11	v South Africa	Centurion	22-Feb-13
1	3	v Zimbabwe	Harare	3-Sep-13
3	200*	v Zimbabwe	Harare	3-Sep-13
2	77	v Zimbabwe	Harare	10-Sep-13
4	29	v Zimbabwe	Harare	10-Sep-13
2	1	v South Africa	Abu Dhabi	14-Oct-13
4	9*	v South Africa	Abu Dhabi	14-Oct-13
1	10	v South Africa	Dubai (DSC)	23-Oct-13
3	36	v South Africa	Dubai (DSC)	23-Oct-13
2	136	v Sri Lanka	Abu Dhabi	31-Dec-13
4	13*	v Sri Lanka	Abu Dhabi	31-Dec-13
1	13	v Sri Lanka	Dubai (DSC)	8-Jan-14
3	77	v Sri Lanka	Dubai (DSC)	8-Jan-14
2	17	v Sri Lanka	Sharjah	16-Jan-14
4	29	v Sri Lanka	Sharjah	16-Jan-14
1	177	v Sri Lanka	Galle	6-Aug-14
3	13	v Sri Lanka	Galle	6-Aug-14
2	13	v Sri Lanka	Colombo (SSC)	14-Aug-14
4	8	v Sri Lanka	Colombo (SSC)	14-Aug-14
1	106	v Australia	Dubai (DSC)	22-Oct-14
3	103*	v Australia	Dubai (DSC)	22-Oct-14
1	213	v Australia	Abu Dhabi	30-Oct-14
3	46	v Australia	Abu Dhabi	30-Oct-14
1	100*	v New Zealand	Abu Dhabi	9-Nov-14
3	28	v New Zealand	Abu Dhabi	9-Nov-14
2	72	v New Zealand	Dubai (DSC)	17-Nov-14
4	44	v New Zealand	Dubai (DSC)	17-Nov-14
1	5	v New Zealand	Sharjah	26-Nov-14
3	0	v New Zealand	Sharjah	26-Nov-14
2	33	v Bangladesh	Khulna	28-Apr-15
1	148	v Bangladesh	Dhaka	6-May-15
3	39	v Bangladesh	Dhaka	6-May-15
2	47	v Sri Lanka	Galle	17-Jun-15
1	6	v Sri Lanka	Colombo (PSS)	25-Jun-15
3	40	v Sri Lanka	Colombo (PSS)	25-Jun-15
2	3	v Sri Lanka	Pallekele	3-Jul-15
4	171*	v Sri Lanka	Pallekele	3-Jul-15
1	38	v England	Abu Dhabi	13-Oct-15
3	45	v England	Abu Dhabi	13-Oct-15
1	56	v England	Dubai (DSC)	22-Oct-15
3	118	v England	Dubai (DSC)	22-Oct-15
1	31	v England	Sharjah	1-Nov-15
3	14	v England	Sharjah	1-Nov-15
1	33	v England	Lord's	14-Jul-16
3	25	v England	Lord's	14-Jul-16
2	1	v England	Manchester	22-Jul-16
4	28	v England	Manchester	22-Jul-16
2	31	v England	Birmingham	3-Aug-16
4	4	v England	Birmingham	3-Aug-16
2	218	v England	The Oval	11-Aug-16
1	127	v West Indies	Abu Dhabi	21-Oct-16
3	29*	v West Indies	Abu Dhabi	21-Oct-16
1	51	v West Indies	Sharjah	30-Oct-16
3	0	v West Indies	Sharjah	30-Oct-16
1	2	v New Zealand	Christchurch	17-Nov-16
3	1	v New Zealand	Christchurch	17-Nov-16

 

[The_Odd_One]

I think the more worrying sign is the consistent failure of younger batsmen. When will the likes of Azhar, Asad, and Sarfraz finally stand up and win anything for their team?

Younis is in decline years but what's the excuse for other world beaters?

Who is Younis' replacement?

 

[Buffet]

Nobody is disputing if he has 32 hundreds or an average of 50+, if someone has to bring his overall stats spanning from more than a decade back to justify his failures at the CURRENT point in time, then what can you say, comprehension failure on their part.

Thread is anyway about his performance outside Asia. Right now, YK is averaging 40 against non-minnows outside Asia. Not bad over all, but when you look at his scores outside Asia against non-minnows in the last 5 years,

0
15
111
14
33
11
33
25
1
28
31
4
218
2
1

Only twice he has scored outside Asia in the last 5 years at an average of 35. It may look bad, but not too far below his career average of 40 outside Asia. I won't expect YK to score in tough conditions, but all tracks won't be like current one.

 

[Junaids]

I think the more worrying sign is the consistent failure of younger batsmen. When will the likes of Azhar, Asad, and Sarfraz finally stand up and win anything for their team?

Younis is in decline years but what's the excuse for other world beaters?

Who is Younis' replacement?

Frankly, I don't think that Umar Akmal would fail in 13 out of 15 innings outside Asia like Younis Khan has.

Pakistan could have gone into this tour with a proper schedule and with Babar Azam having replaced Misbah 2 years ago when Australia toured the UAE and Umar Akmal or Mohammad Rizwan having replaced Misbah after the England tour.

1. Azhar Ali
2. Sami Aslam
3. Babar Azam (17 Tests under his belt)
4. Umar Akmal (19 Tests under his belt)
5. Asad Shafiq
6. Aamer Yamin (7 Tests under his belt)

It is Pakistan's own fault that they kept exhuming Younis and Misbah, and are now in a place where players in their forties can't survive.

 

[Junaids]

Thread is anyway about his performance outside Asia. Right now, YK is averaging 40 against non-minnows outside Asia. Not bad over all, but when you look at his scores outside Asia against non-minnows in the last 5 years,

0
15
111
14
33
11
33
25
1
28
31
4
218
2
1

Only twice he has scored outside Asia in the last 5 years at an average of 35. It may look bad, but not too far below his career average of 40 outside Asia. I won't expect YK to score in tough conditions, but all tracks won't be like current one.

That's 13 failures in his last 15 innings outside Asia.

Going big twice doesn't compensate - it's a catastrophic record for a Test Number 4.

 

[Buffet]

That's 13 failures in his last 15 innings outside Asia.

Going big twice doesn't compensate - it's a catastrophic record for a Test Number 4.

Bad or good is relative. Who else from Pakistan is scoring and how consistently. There are so many batsmen.

 

[Mamoon]

Look I have been accused of being a hater, but he has never been good enough to score big against lateral movement or significant bounce, and it is not about how old he is now.

People bring his away stats to disprove this point, but they forget that you can get flat pitches everywhere. They only remember that when Kohli's record in Australia is discussed.

However, he is excellent when it comes to delivering on flat pitches and that is a big quality as well. Give him 2/3 innings on a pitch of his liking anywhere in the world in any situation and he will score a big hundred guaranteed.

However, due to his inability to handle swing, seam and bounce, he is no ATG. Not even close to that level.

I feel sorry for him now and honestly I don't want his career to end in tears. I may not like him due to his personality but he has been around since I was 9 and now I'm 25, and I don't wish to see him dishonored.

I hope he gets on pitch in Australia of his liking where he can score his hundred because he dearly wants a hundred in Australia. Other than that, things will get very ugly for him.

For the most part, he will continue to be a liability like he was in England for the first three Tests.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Frankly, I don't think that Umar Akmal would fail in 13 out of 15 innings outside Asia like Younis Khan has.

Pakistan could have gone into this tour with a proper schedule and with Babar Azam having replaced Misbah 2 years ago when Australia toured the UAE and Umar Akmal or Mohammad Rizwan having replaced Misbah after the England tour.

1. Azhar Ali
2. Sami Aslam
3. Babar Azam (17 Tests under his belt)
4. Umar Akmal (19 Tests under his belt)
5. Asad Shafiq
6. Aamer Yamin (7 Tests under his belt)

It is Pakistan's own fault that they kept exhuming Younis and Misbah, and are now in a place where players in their forties can't survive.

There is absolutely no guarantee that the likes of Butt, Akmal, and Asif can perform at the same level. It's all just speculation like Hassan Ali was supposed to be an all-rounder and bowlers like Philander were supposed to fail in Australia.

And how ironic is it that both of the tests Pakistan won in England were due to those two 40+ years old.

 

[MenInG]

There is absolutely no guarantee that the likes of Butt, Akmal, and Asif can perform at the same level. It's all just speculation like Hassan Ali was supposed to be an all-rounder and bowlers like Philander were supposed to fail in Australia.

And how ironic is it that both of the tests Pakistan won in England were due to those two 40+ years old.

Not ironic - actual reality and also expected.

We as fans need a scapegoat. These 2 are easy ones.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Not ironic - actual reality and also expected.

We as fans need a scapegoat. These 2 are easy ones.

I'm sure both of them are not going anywhere until the end of Australian tour. It's not like others have been scoring heavily.

 

[Junaids]

There is absolutely no guarantee that the likes of Butt, Akmal, and Asif can perform at the same level. It's all just speculation like Hassan Ali was supposed to be an all-rounder and bowlers like Philander were supposed to fail in Australia.

And how ironic is it that both of the tests Pakistan won in England were due to those two 40+ years old.

Actually, Yasir Shah performed well in both those Tests, while Misbah and Younis each succeeded in one, failed in one.

I think there is some sort of cultural bias going on here.

Most Pakistanis that I know have a significantly greater tendency towards deference for their elders than we in western society do.

Younis Khan used to be a really outstanding batsman, but is now very old and fails in almost 90% of his innings outside Asia.

Misbah-ul-Haq was never better than a fairly good batsman, and is now also very old, but because he plays the ball quite late with his head over the ball his technique hasn't really fallen apart like Younis' has with advanced age. So he is still just about in the "fairly good" category.

Their peers retired many years ago when they lost their reflexes. But these guys keep very fit and score on flat UAE tracks, and seem to be allowed to carry on forever.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Actually, Yasir Shah performed well in both those Tests, while Misbah and Younis each succeeded in one, failed in one.

I think there is some sort of cultural bias going on here.

Most Pakistanis that I know have a significantly greater tendency towards deference for their elders than we in western society do.

Younis Khan used to be a really outstanding batsman, but is now very old and fails in almost 90% of his innings outside Asia.

Misbah-ul-Haq was never better than a fairly good batsman, and is now also very old, but because he plays the ball quite late with his head over the ball his technique hasn't really fallen apart like Younis' has with advanced age. So he is still just about in the "fairly good" category.

Their peers retired many years ago when they lost their reflexes. But these guys keep very fit and score on flat UAE tracks, and seem to be allowed to carry on forever.

What does Yasir Shah has to do in this discussion?

First test was saved by Misbah. Yasir then bowled his team to win.

4th test was virtually won when Younis hit that double century.

 

[Junaids]

What does Yasir Shah has to do in this discussion?

First test was saved by Misbah. Yasir then bowled his team to win.

4th test was virtually won when Younis hit that double century.

Babar Azam hit a century against the full Australia team in the UAE almost two years before the England tour.

How do you know that he wouldn't have done at least as much if he had been promoted to the Test team when he should have been? You might have won the series in England!

 

[The_Odd_One]

Babar Azam hit a century against the full Australia team in the UAE almost two years before the England tour.

How do you know that he wouldn't have done at least as much if he had been promoted to the Test team when he should have been? You might have won the series in England!

It takes time to reach that level. Kohli has just started to play impactful knocks in tests. Kane became a better players in the last 2 years. They all have around 50 tests under their belt.

Babar is still too raw for tests and will need at least another two years to become a world class test batsman. Him succeeding in England is nothing but speculation and unrealistic expectation.

 

[Junaids]

It takes time to reach that level. Kohli has just started to play impactful knocks in tests. Kane became a better players in the last 2 years. They all have around 50 tests under their belt.

Babar is still too raw for tests and will need at least another two years to become a world class test batsman. Him succeeding in England is nothing but speculation and unrealistic expectation.

I agree with the first sentence.

It does take time to learn to play Test cricket. And you only learn by playing Test cricket.

Babar Azam should have had two years in the Test team before landing in Australia. His omission has only slowed down his development.

 

[Abdul]

One thing is clear and that is no way he is going to succeed in Australia as he is not able to handle any sort of bounce which also means he won't be getting to his ten thousand runs by the end of the Australian tour (he needs 334 runs in next 8 innings but I'm sure that's too much to ask off him as we won't be playing any of our matches in the UAE).

We have to move on at some point but his self-interested nature won't allow him to announce the retirement before reaching his milestone. I really hoped to see him no more after Australia but that seems unlikely now as PCB are spineless (Yousuf got the right treatment in 2010, thanks to Ijaz Butt for that). It will be interesting to see how long he continues for. Our next task after the Australian tour is in West Indies and Younis averages 23.44 there.

As [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, people always mention his away stats not realizing that flat pitches can be served anywhere in the world. If hypocrisy is put away, then why is Virat Kohli always discredited for his success in places like Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc., yet he is always bashed by the same people for his failures in England. Why is that rule not being applied to Younis? Kohli would have had lot more runs and centuries in Test cricket if he was served placid UAE tracks over numerous number of years. Kohli plays most of his Test cricket on rank turners and I can imagine YK getting out miserably on those tracks.

Anyway, time for Younis fans to be mentally prepared for what waits ahead for him when he faces Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood etc. in their own backyard.

 

[Hasan123]

One thing is clear and that is no way he is going to succeed in Australia as he is not able to handle any sort of bounce which also means he won't be getting to his ten thousand runs by the end of the Australian tour (he needs 334 runs in next 8 innings but I'm sure that's too much to ask off him as we won't be playing any of our matches in the UAE).

We have to move on at some point but his self-interested nature won't allow him to announce the retirement before reaching his milestone. I really hoped to see him no more after Australia but that seems unlikely now as PCB are spineless (Yousuf got the right treatment in 2010, thanks to Ijaz Butt for that). It will be interesting to see how long he continues for. Our next task after the Australian tour is in West Indies and Younis averages 23.44 there.

As [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, people always mention his away stats not realizing that flat pitches can be served anywhere in the world. If hypocrisy is put away, then why is Virat Kohli always discredited for his success in places like Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc., yet he is always bashed by the same people for his failures in England. Why is that rule not being applied to Younis? Kohli would have had lot more runs and centuries in Test cricket if he was served placid UAE tracks over numerous number of years. Kohli plays most of his Test cricket on rank turners and I can imagine YK getting out miserably on those tracks.

Anyway, time for Younis fans to be mentally prepared for what waits ahead for him when he faces Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood etc. in their own backyard.

Lol agree on the part about his overseas record. No way can younis be considered atg as he is poor against seam,swing,and bounce.

 

[Junaids]

One thing is clear and that is no way he is going to succeed in Australia as he is not able to handle any sort of bounce which also means he won't be getting to his ten thousand runs by the end of the Australian tour (he needs 334 runs in next 8 innings but I'm sure that's too much to ask off him as we won't be playing any of our matches in the UAE).

We have to move on at some point but his self-interested nature won't allow him to announce the retirement before reaching his milestone. I really hoped to see him no more after Australia but that seems unlikely now as PCB are spineless (Yousuf got the right treatment in 2010, thanks to Ijaz Butt for that). It will be interesting to see how long he continues for. Our next task after the Australian tour is in West Indies and Younis averages 23.44 there.

As [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, people always mention his away stats not realizing that flat pitches can be served anywhere in the world. If hypocrisy is put away, then why is Virat Kohli always discredited for his success in places like Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc., yet he is always bashed by the same people for his failures in England. Why is that rule not being applied to Younis? Kohli would have had lot more runs and centuries in Test cricket if he was served placid UAE tracks over numerous number of years. Kohli plays most of his Test cricket on rank turners and I can imagine YK getting out miserably on those tracks.

Anyway, time for Younis fans to be mentally prepared for what waits ahead for him when he faces Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood etc. in their own backyard.

You know what frustrates me?

I am a "Younis fan", as you put it. He is my all-time favourite Pakistan batsman - and I've been a fan of Pakistan for over 40 years.

But as a fan I recognise exactly what I used to write about with Sachin Tendulkar: Younis Khan is in deep decline and his pursuit of records is delaying the development of younger batsmen (Babar Azam is 22 years younger and Umar Akmal is 16 years younger).

I see Younis ruining his own legacy - in spite of the 218 at The Oval he is a joke in England now because of his absurd dancing in the first three Tests.

But I also see him failing so frequently outside Asia that he makes his team lose matches they need not lose.

 

[MenInG]

You know what frustrates me?

I am a "Younis fan", as you put it. He is my all-time favourite Pakistan batsman - and I've been a fan of Pakistan for over 40 years.

But as a fan I recognise exactly what I used to write about with Sachin Tendulkar: Younis Khan is in deep decline and his pursuit of records is delaying the development of younger batsmen (Babar Azam is 22 years younger and Umar Akmal is 16 years younger).

I see Younis ruining his own legacy - in spite of the 218 at The Oval he is a joke in England now because of his absurd dancing in the first three Tests.

But I also see him failing so frequently outside Asia that he makes his team lose matches they need not lose.

Says who? Everyone recognized that he adjusted his batting and delivered a killer blow when Pakistan had their backs to the wall

 

[GudduBadmash]

Younis Khan's inning by inning record since 2013
Red is marked as poor performance (0-20 runs), Green is marked as good performance (50+ runs)

Inns	Score	Opposition	Ground	Start Date
2	0	v South Africa	Johannesburg	1-Feb-13
4	15	v South Africa	Johannesburg	1-Feb-13
1	111	v South Africa	Cape Town	14-Feb-13
3	14	v South Africa	Cape Town	14-Feb-13
2	33	v South Africa	Centurion	22-Feb-13
3	11	v South Africa	Centurion	22-Feb-13
1	3	v Zimbabwe	Harare	3-Sep-13
3	200*	v Zimbabwe	Harare	3-Sep-13
2	77	v Zimbabwe	Harare	10-Sep-13
4	29	v Zimbabwe	Harare	10-Sep-13
2	1	v South Africa	Abu Dhabi	14-Oct-13
4	9*	v South Africa	Abu Dhabi	14-Oct-13
1	10	v South Africa	Dubai (DSC)	23-Oct-13
3	36	v South Africa	Dubai (DSC)	23-Oct-13
2	136	v Sri Lanka	Abu Dhabi	31-Dec-13
4	13*	v Sri Lanka	Abu Dhabi	31-Dec-13
1	13	v Sri Lanka	Dubai (DSC)	8-Jan-14
3	77	v Sri Lanka	Dubai (DSC)	8-Jan-14
2	17	v Sri Lanka	Sharjah	16-Jan-14
4	29	v Sri Lanka	Sharjah	16-Jan-14
1	177	v Sri Lanka	Galle	6-Aug-14
3	13	v Sri Lanka	Galle	6-Aug-14
2	13	v Sri Lanka	Colombo (SSC)	14-Aug-14
4	8	v Sri Lanka	Colombo (SSC)	14-Aug-14
1	106	v Australia	Dubai (DSC)	22-Oct-14
3	103*	v Australia	Dubai (DSC)	22-Oct-14
1	213	v Australia	Abu Dhabi	30-Oct-14
3	46	v Australia	Abu Dhabi	30-Oct-14
1	100*	v New Zealand	Abu Dhabi	9-Nov-14
3	28	v New Zealand	Abu Dhabi	9-Nov-14
2	72	v New Zealand	Dubai (DSC)	17-Nov-14
4	44	v New Zealand	Dubai (DSC)	17-Nov-14
1	5	v New Zealand	Sharjah	26-Nov-14
3	0	v New Zealand	Sharjah	26-Nov-14
2	33	v Bangladesh	Khulna	28-Apr-15
1	148	v Bangladesh	Dhaka	6-May-15
3	39	v Bangladesh	Dhaka	6-May-15
2	47	v Sri Lanka	Galle	17-Jun-15
1	6	v Sri Lanka	Colombo (PSS)	25-Jun-15
3	40	v Sri Lanka	Colombo (PSS)	25-Jun-15
2	3	v Sri Lanka	Pallekele	3-Jul-15
4	171*	v Sri Lanka	Pallekele	3-Jul-15
1	38	v England	Abu Dhabi	13-Oct-15
3	45	v England	Abu Dhabi	13-Oct-15
1	56	v England	Dubai (DSC)	22-Oct-15
3	118	v England	Dubai (DSC)	22-Oct-15
1	31	v England	Sharjah	1-Nov-15
3	14	v England	Sharjah	1-Nov-15
1	33	v England	Lord's	14-Jul-16
3	25	v England	Lord's	14-Jul-16
2	1	v England	Manchester	22-Jul-16
4	28	v England	Manchester	22-Jul-16
2	31	v England	Birmingham	3-Aug-16
4	4	v England	Birmingham	3-Aug-16
2	218	v England	The Oval	11-Aug-16
1	127	v West Indies	Abu Dhabi	21-Oct-16
3	29*	v West Indies	Abu Dhabi	21-Oct-16
1	51	v West Indies	Sharjah	30-Oct-16
3	0	v West Indies	Sharjah	30-Oct-16
1	2	v New Zealand	Christchurch	17-Nov-16
3	1	v New Zealand	Christchurch	17-Nov-16

3 double hundreds and a few daddy hundreds in that graph within 3 years

 

[Mamoon]

One thing is clear and that is no way he is going to succeed in Australia as he is not able to handle any sort of bounce which also means he won't be getting to his ten thousand runs by the end of the Australian tour (he needs 334 runs in next 8 innings but I'm sure that's too much to ask off him as we won't be playing any of our matches in the UAE).

We have to move on at some point but his self-interested nature won't allow him to announce the retirement before reaching his milestone. I really hoped to see him no more after Australia but that seems unlikely now as PCB are spineless (Yousuf got the right treatment in 2010, thanks to Ijaz Butt for that). It will be interesting to see how long he continues for. Our next task after the Australian tour is in West Indies and Younis averages 23.44 there.

As [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, people always mention his away stats not realizing that flat pitches can be served anywhere in the world. If hypocrisy is put away, then why is Virat Kohli always discredited for his success in places like Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc., yet he is always bashed by the same people for his failures in England. Why is that rule not being applied to Younis? Kohli would have had lot more runs and centuries in Test cricket if he was served placid UAE tracks over numerous number of years. Kohli plays most of his Test cricket on rank turners and I can imagine YK getting out miserably on those tracks.

Anyway, time for Younis fans to be mentally prepared for what waits ahead for him when he faces Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood etc. in their own backyard.

Agree with the rest, but it is a bit harsh to say that he will fail miserably on rank turners. He is a brilliant player of spin but yes he hasn't been tested on a proper turner for a long time now.

 

[The_Odd_One]

One thing is clear and that is no way he is going to succeed in Australia as he is not able to handle any sort of bounce which also means he won't be getting to his ten thousand runs by the end of the Australian tour (he needs 334 runs in next 8 innings but I'm sure that's too much to ask off him as we won't be playing any of our matches in the UAE).

We have to move on at some point but his self-interested nature won't allow him to announce the retirement before reaching his milestone. I really hoped to see him no more after Australia but that seems unlikely now as PCB are spineless (Yousuf got the right treatment in 2010, thanks to Ijaz Butt for that). It will be interesting to see how long he continues for. Our next task after the Australian tour is in West Indies and Younis averages 23.44 there.

As [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, people always mention his away stats not realizing that flat pitches can be served anywhere in the world. If hypocrisy is put away, then why is Virat Kohli always discredited for his success in places like Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc., yet he is always bashed by the same people for his failures in England. Why is that rule not being applied to Younis? Kohli would have had lot more runs and centuries in Test cricket if he was served placid UAE tracks over numerous number of years. Kohli plays most of his Test cricket on rank turners and I can imagine YK getting out miserably on those tracks.

Anyway, time for Younis fans to be mentally prepared for what waits ahead for him when he faces Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood etc. in their own backyard.

Younis got out to a similar ball which Vijay got from Anderson in the first inning. However, there is a huge difference in bowling conditions in these 2 test matches. It was one hell of a ball which will surprise most of the batsmen.

Younis has already cemented his legacy by helping Pakistan draw a series in England and that was just 2 tests ago. Can't drop your best batsman when others have not stepped up and showed no improvement.

 

[The_Odd_One]

<b>Thanks for your services, but we have an Australian tour to win. </b>

The last line in OP cracks me up big time. So, replacing Younis with let's say Umar Akmal will win Pakistan Australian tour?

 

[Suleiman]

<b>Thanks for your services, but we have an Australian tour to win. </b>

The last line in OP cracks me up big time. So, replacing Younis with let's say Umar Akmal will win Pakistan Australian tour?

Where did I mention any Akmal, let alone Umar in this thread? If someone has to replace him why is he the default option?

lol it was a hyberbole, but we definitely stand a better chance to win anything without him. I'd rather invest in a player in their 20s performing in the FC circuit, because even if he flops, he'll be an investment who can improve from experience not a 40 year old player who needs the perfect pitch and bowling to his liking with all the planets aligned.

We won't know the caliber of the players performing in our domestic circuit if we don't try them and let some of them lose their best years while Younis attempts to get to his coveted 10k no matter how it affects the team.

 

[moghul]

We are paying too much price for prolonging his career and improving his record by ignoring many talented young batsmen and persisting with Younis Khan. Looks like PCB's priority is to make first Pakistan batsman in 10K club and not winning matches and not nurturing young talent. Its sad that no one will take a courageous step in dropping him from next match after he failed in all but one of his last 10 innings outside Asia.

 

[moghul]

Any one of the young batsmen including Usman Salahuddin, Jaahid Ali, Saad Alli, Umar Amin, Fakha Zaman and Zain Abbas would have given better result than Younis Khan , had they given so many chances. Donlt why we are suck with "still 38 YO" , king or roads. Now Nisbag is talking about bringing back Hafeez, God mercy.

 

[moghul]

Younis Khan's inning by inning record since 2013
Red is marked as poor performance (0-20 runs), Green is marked as good performance (50+ runs)

Inns	Score	Opposition	Ground	Start Date
2	0	v South Africa	Johannesburg	1-Feb-13
4	15	v South Africa	Johannesburg	1-Feb-13
1	111	v South Africa	Cape Town	14-Feb-13
3	14	v South Africa	Cape Town	14-Feb-13
2	33	v South Africa	Centurion	22-Feb-13
3	11	v South Africa	Centurion	22-Feb-13
1	3	v Zimbabwe	Harare	3-Sep-13
3	200*	v Zimbabwe	Harare	3-Sep-13
2	77	v Zimbabwe	Harare	10-Sep-13
4	29	v Zimbabwe	Harare	10-Sep-13
2	1	v South Africa	Abu Dhabi	14-Oct-13
4	9*	v South Africa	Abu Dhabi	14-Oct-13
1	10	v South Africa	Dubai (DSC)	23-Oct-13
3	36	v South Africa	Dubai (DSC)	23-Oct-13
2	136	v Sri Lanka	Abu Dhabi	31-Dec-13
4	13*	v Sri Lanka	Abu Dhabi	31-Dec-13
1	13	v Sri Lanka	Dubai (DSC)	8-Jan-14
3	77	v Sri Lanka	Dubai (DSC)	8-Jan-14
2	17	v Sri Lanka	Sharjah	16-Jan-14
4	29	v Sri Lanka	Sharjah	16-Jan-14
1	177	v Sri Lanka	Galle	6-Aug-14
3	13	v Sri Lanka	Galle	6-Aug-14
2	13	v Sri Lanka	Colombo (SSC)	14-Aug-14
4	8	v Sri Lanka	Colombo (SSC)	14-Aug-14
1	106	v Australia	Dubai (DSC)	22-Oct-14
3	103*	v Australia	Dubai (DSC)	22-Oct-14
1	213	v Australia	Abu Dhabi	30-Oct-14
3	46	v Australia	Abu Dhabi	30-Oct-14
1	100*	v New Zealand	Abu Dhabi	9-Nov-14
3	28	v New Zealand	Abu Dhabi	9-Nov-14
2	72	v New Zealand	Dubai (DSC)	17-Nov-14
4	44	v New Zealand	Dubai (DSC)	17-Nov-14
1	5	v New Zealand	Sharjah	26-Nov-14
3	0	v New Zealand	Sharjah	26-Nov-14
2	33	v Bangladesh	Khulna	28-Apr-15
1	148	v Bangladesh	Dhaka	6-May-15
3	39	v Bangladesh	Dhaka	6-May-15
2	47	v Sri Lanka	Galle	17-Jun-15
1	6	v Sri Lanka	Colombo (PSS)	25-Jun-15
3	40	v Sri Lanka	Colombo (PSS)	25-Jun-15
2	3	v Sri Lanka	Pallekele	3-Jul-15
4	171*	v Sri Lanka	Pallekele	3-Jul-15
1	38	v England	Abu Dhabi	13-Oct-15
3	45	v England	Abu Dhabi	13-Oct-15
1	56	v England	Dubai (DSC)	22-Oct-15
3	118	v England	Dubai (DSC)	22-Oct-15
1	31	v England	Sharjah	1-Nov-15
3	14	v England	Sharjah	1-Nov-15
1	33	v England	Lord's	14-Jul-16
3	25	v England	Lord's	14-Jul-16
2	1	v England	Manchester	22-Jul-16
4	28	v England	Manchester	22-Jul-16
2	31	v England	Birmingham	3-Aug-16
4	4	v England	Birmingham	3-Aug-16
2	218	v England	The Oval	11-Aug-16
1	127	v West Indies	Abu Dhabi	21-Oct-16
3	29*	v West Indies	Abu Dhabi	21-Oct-16
1	51	v West Indies	Sharjah	30-Oct-16
3	0	v West Indies	Sharjah	30-Oct-16
1	2	v New Zealand	Christchurch	17-Nov-16
3	1	v New Zealand	Christchurch	17-Nov-16

Pathetic , outside Asia. That's why he is not even close to be an ATG, even with overall stats better than many true ATGs.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Where did I mention any Akmal, let alone Umar in this thread? If someone has to replace him why is he the default option?

lol it was a hyberbole, but we definitely stand a better chance to win anything without him. I'd rather invest in a player in their 20s performing in the FC circuit, because even if he flops, he'll be an investment who can improve from experience not a 40 year old player who needs the perfect pitch and bowling to his liking with all the planets aligned.

We won't know the caliber of the players performing in our domestic circuit if we don't try them and let some of them lose their best years while Younis attempts to get to his coveted 10k no matter how it affects the team.

That's why I said "let's say Umar Akmal" because he is one of the most possible replacement.

The point is even if you replace Younis with Kohli but the rest of the batting line-up does not click, Pakistan is not going to win in Australia.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Pathetic , outside Asia. That's why he is not even close to be an ATG, even with overall stats better than many true ATGs.

He can only play on pitches he is given. He did not get as many chances as others to bat outside Asia in his peak years.

People need to understand one simple thing. Younis is past his peak years. The expectation for him to score runs like Kohli is unrealistic. Most of the batsmen at this age suck even on flat tracks.

Ponting in his last 3 years averaged 42 in Australia.
Tendulkar in his last 3 years averaged 50 in India.
Younis in last 3 years averages 57 in UAE.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

That's why I said "let's say Umar Akmal" because he is one of the most possible replacement.

The point is even if you replace Younis with Kohli but the rest of the batting line-up does not click, Pakistan is not going to win in Australia.

Umar akmal didn't win Pakistan any matches last time he was in Australia

To claim he should be in the team but then people advocate for Kps exclusion from the England team on the same basis it doesn't make any sense

As for yk being past it and to even put him in the same brackets as virat is daft
Yk started as a number seven batter in Odis who through sheer graft and jogging made himself worthy to be mo yousufs succesor

Yk might bring going through a troff right now but I'm sure he'll bounce back in Auckland or Napier

 

[moghul]

He can only play on pitches he is given. He did not get as many chances as others to bat outside Asia in his peak years.

People need to understand one simple thing. Younis is past his peak years. The expectation for him to score runs like Kohli is unrealistic. Most of the batsmen at this age suck even on flat tracks.

Ponting in his last 3 years averaged 42 in Australia.
Tendulkar in his last 3 years averaged 50 in India.
Younis in last 3 years averages 57 in UAE.

He has been given more chances out side Asia than he deserved but he did not "play" as he could not. One failure to another.

 

[Hasan123]

He's not ATG

 

[samiakh]

Name me on Pakistani batsmen who has scored consistently on bouncy and seaming wickets! Inzi record in SAF is laughable, Miandad, and yousuf too. Maybe Zaheer but the you are crossing eras. ATG is a matter of opinion I respectfully disagree with yours.

Look I have been accused of being a hater, but he has never been good enough to score big against lateral movement or significant bounce, and it is not about how old he is now.

People bring his away stats to disprove this point, but they forget that you can get flat pitches everywhere. They only remember that when Kohli's record in Australia is discussed.

However, he is excellent when it comes to delivering on flat pitches and that is a big quality as well. Give him 2/3 innings on a pitch of his liking anywhere in the world in any situation and he will score a big hundred guaranteed.

However, due to his inability to handle swing, seam and bounce, he is no ATG. Not even close to that level.

I feel sorry for him now and honestly I don't want his career to end in tears. I may not like him due to his personality but he has been around since I was 9 and now I'm 25, and I don't wish to see him dishonored.

I hope he gets on pitch in Australia of his liking where he can score his hundred because he dearly wants a hundred in Australia. Other than that, things will get very ugly for him.

For the most part, he will continue to be a liability like he was in England for the first three Tests.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I know for a fact that every Younis hater will regret posting on this thread after a couple of matches.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Younis has already cemented his legacy by helping Pakistan draw a series in England.

Drawing a series in England is considered legendary ? That too he scored in only 1 match. Yasir was the real hero in that series who performed well in 5 innings out of 8.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Drawing a series in England is considered legendary ? That too he scored in only 1 match. Yasir was the real hero in that series who performed well in 5 innings out of 8.

It's not legendary but clearly better than a few folks who bat like tail enders in England and whenever there is an inch of movement in the air and off the deck. In contrast to all these; I guess YK has done pretty well !!

 

[The_Odd_One]

Umar akmal didn't win Pakistan any matches last time he was in Australia

To claim he should be in the team but then people advocate for Kps exclusion from the England team on the same basis it doesn't make any sense

As for yk being past it and to even put him in the same brackets as virat is daft
Yk started as a number seven batter in Odis who through sheer graft and jogging made himself worthy to be mo yousufs succesor

Yk might bring going through a troff right now but I'm sure he'll bounce back in Auckland or Napier

Younis Khan is my favorite Pakistani test batsman and I will be delighted if he shuts up his critics once more in the next test.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Drawing a series in England is considered legendary ? That too he scored in only 1 match. Yasir was the real hero in that series who performed well in 5 innings out of 8.

Yes, it is. A large number of people were predicting a whitewash. Pakistan not only drew the series against England in England but also achieved #1 test ranking. You take out that majestic double century and final series result could have been easily 3-1 as predicted by most here.

 

[Junaids]

Younis Khan is my favorite Pakistani test batsman and I will be delighted if he shuts up his critics once more in the next test.

He's my favourite Pakistan batsman too, but I won't be shut up if he scores another one-off big innings in the next Test.

It's not good enough outside Asia to always fail in every innings except one per series.

 

[Junaids]

Yes, it is. A large number of people were predicting a whitewash. Pakistan not only drew the series against England in England but also achieved #1 test ranking. You take out that majestic double century and final series result could have been easily 3-1 as predicted by most here.

That's being highly selective with the facts.

In the last thirty five years, these are Pakistan's series results in England

L 2-1
W 1-0
W 2-1
W 2-0
D 1-1
L 2-0
L 3-1

I had been arguing since 2012-13 that Pakistan needed to do the following to win all three series outside Asia in 2016:

1. Phase out Younis Khan and Misbah-ul-Haq,
2. Phase in Babar Azam and Umar Akmal,
3. Bring back Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif as soon as possible after October 2015.

I only thought that Pakistan would lose in England BECAUSE of the failure to do these things.

I still believe that with proper team selection for the previous three years, Pakistan would have won 3-1 in England.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

It's not legendary but clearly better than a few folks who bat like tail enders in England and whenever there is an inch of movement in the air and off the deck. In contrast to all these; I guess YK has done pretty well !!

Just because he's better than some player in a particular country doesn't mean legend, he is the best Pakistani test batter along with Misbah but his outside Asia record looks susceptible.

My point was, Yasir was the real hero for Pak in that series.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=3340]samiakh[/MENTION]

You are right, but why does that mean that Younis shouldn't be criticized for his own failings?

Pakistan does not have a good legacy in batting. Other teams have produced far better batsmen and our best batsmen are well below the best batsmen of Australia, India, West Indies etc.

 

[Hawkeye]

Look I have been accused of being a hater, but he has never been good enough to score big against lateral movement or significant bounce, and it is not about how old he is now.

People bring his away stats to disprove this point, but they forget that you can get flat pitches everywhere. They only remember that when Kohli's record in Australia is discussed.

However, due to his inability to handle swing, seam and bounce,

Are you not acting like YK blind supporters either?

On one hand, you claim you can get flat pitches abroad and YK has scored there. Yes. But Kohli has also done the same in Aus/SA, and has so far failed badly whenever encountered with swing and seam.

Re. bounce, YK did well in the only match where the pitch was the bounciest that summer in England. Still, nothing too fancy yes.

But, re. swing and seam, you fail to call out Kohli but will only target YK, so not really being neutral.

"But Kohli has age on his side and he'll do better when he encounter swing again" - that's not an argument for past performances, if that's what you're going to say.

 

[street cricketer]

Are you not acting like YK blind supporters either?

On one hand, you claim you can get flat pitches abroad and YK has scored there. Yes. But Kohli has also done the same in Aus/SA, and has so far failed badly whenever encountered with swing and seam.

Re. bounce, YK did well in the only match where the pitch was the bounciest that summer in England. Still, nothing too fancy yes.

But, re. swing and seam, you fail to call out Kohli but will only target YK, so not really being neutral.

"But Kohli has age on his side and he'll do better when he encounter swing again" - that's not an argument for past performances, if that's what you're going to say.

Only the wickets in Australia were flat.

South africa wasn't.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

He's my favourite Pakistan batsman too, but I won't be shut up if he scores another one-off big innings in the next Test.

It's not good enough outside Asia to always fail in every innings except one per series.

He's done well for Yorkshire even Geoffrey boycott says so it's not like he's not trying to get that cross country experience

 

[Hawkeye]

Only the wickets in Australia were flat.

South africa wasn't.

Well, the Eng wicket where YK scored wasn't 'flat' either, then.

They've scored on similar pitches abroad - and both have failed against appreciable swing/seam movement.

 

[Junaids]

He's done well for Yorkshire even Geoffrey boycott says so it's not like he's not trying to get that cross country experience

I don't argue that he could never perform outside Asia. He was fine for South Australia too.

My issue is that he is now too old: like every other batsman born before 1980 he has lost his hand-eye coordination which means that outside Asia he can't adapt any more to bounce or lateral movement.

Australia has just ended the career of all their batsmen aged over 30 except for one, Dave Warner, who was born in October 1986 and so is 30 years and less than 1 month old.

Yet Pakistan somehow expect guys born in 1974 and 1975 to retain their reflexes.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I don't argue that he could never perform outside Asia. He was fine for South Australia too.

My issue is that he is now too old: like every other batsman born before 1980 he has lost his hand-eye coordination which means that outside Asia he can't adapt any more to bounce or lateral movement.

Australia has just ended the career of all their batsmen aged over 30 except for one, Dave Warner, who was born in October 1986 and so is 30 years and less than 1 month old.

Yet Pakistan somehow expect guys born in 1974 and 1975 to retain their reflexes.

Australian don't perform abroad either
They definitely didn't go over to the emirates and adapt to the pitches there so it's a poor example

I hope you're not advocating Pakistan drop their seniors for the Oceania tour and let the juniors swim or drown on a difficult tour

 

[street cricketer]

Well, the Eng wicket where YK scored wasn't 'flat' either, then.

They've scored on similar pitches abroad - and both have failed against appreciable swing/seam movement.

It was flat. All the wickets in England were dry and flat similar to what India faced in Australia. "Flat" doesn't mean dead wickets like you see in the UAE. Oval had true bounce as did Manchester, but so did the Australian wickets that India faced in India. But none of the wickets in both the series had grass cover and the balls hardly swung or seamed around and moved off the middle. It's one reason I don't rate Virat's knocks in Australia (barring Adelaide 2nd innings) highly.

 

[Mamoon]

Are you not acting like YK blind supporters either?

On one hand, you claim you can get flat pitches abroad and YK has scored there. Yes. But Kohli has also done the same in Aus/SA, and has so far failed badly whenever encountered with swing and seam.

Re. bounce, YK did well in the only match where the pitch was the bounciest that summer in England. Still, nothing too fancy yes.

But, re. swing and seam, you fail to call out Kohli but will only target YK, so not really being neutral.

"But Kohli has age on his side and he'll do better when he encounter swing again" - that's not an argument for past performances, if that's what you're going to say.

His century in South Africa, unlike Younis' was not on a flat wicket. Neither was the century in the second innings of the Adelaide Test.

Also, you cannot ignore the age and experience factor. If Younis would put in the same performances overseas as a youngster, he would get a lot more leeway, but you expect more from a veteran whom his fans call an ATG.

Similarly, more will be expected of Kohli from now onwards because he's in his peak years now and has to be more consistent.

 

[MenInG]

YK is not superman

He is not tasked with single handedly rescue Pakistan every time there is catastrophic batting failure

 

[Slog]

His century in South Africa, unlike Younis' was not on a flat wicket. Neither was the century in the second innings of the Adelaide Test.

Also, you cannot ignore the age and experience factor. If Younis would put in the same performances overseas as a youngster, he would get a lot more leeway, but you expect more from a veteran whom his fans call an ATG.

Similarly, more will be expected of Kohli from now onwards because he's in his peak years now and has to be more consistent.

Yes the Kohli century wicket wasn't flat but both team put totals of 400+

However younis khans century in South Africa doesn't matter even though it happened to be in an innings where Pakistan was 33/4

This is a classic case of picking a conclusion and then making an argument for it

 

[Junaids]

Australian don't perform abroad either
They definitely didn't go over to the emirates and adapt to the pitches there so it's a poor example

I hope you're not advocating Pakistan drop their seniors for the Oceania tour and let the juniors swim or drown on a difficult tour

Batsmen in their forties are not useful "seniors" in the southern hemisphere. They are liabilities, they are burdens. They have to be carried by younger men.

Much better Indian batsmen - Tendulkar, Sehwag, Dravid and Laxman - were slaughtered 4-0 in Australia in 2011-12 by a much weaker pace attack of Hilfenhaus and Siddle.

And all those Indian batsmen were 3-5 years younger than Younis and Misbah are.

 

[New Yorker]

Batsmen in their forties are not useful "seniors" in the southern hemisphere. They are liabilities, they are burdens. They have to be carried by younger men.

Much better Indian batsmen - Tendulkar, Sehwag, Dravid and Laxman - were slaughtered 4-0 in Australia in 2011-12 by a much weaker pace attack of Hilfenhaus and Siddle.

And all those Indian batsmen were 3-5 years younger than Younis and Misbah are.

This is about as useful as "no bowlers shorter than 6" should ever be considered for selection. Each player needs to be judged on their performances. YK just played one of the great Pakistani knocks on an overseas tourney, and remains the country's premiere batsman. It would be absurd to leave him out of this tour. Apart from Misbah himself, no other batsman did much better than him.

 

[New Yorker]

His century in South Africa, unlike Younis' was not on a flat wicket. Neither was the century in the second innings of the Adelaide Test.

Also, you cannot ignore the age and experience factor. If Younis would put in the same performances overseas as a youngster, he would get a lot more leeway, but you expect more from a veteran whom his fans call an ATG.

Similarly, more will be expected of Kohli from now onwards because he's in his peak years now and has to be more consistent.

I don't know any player of whom it can be said that they always perfectly matched the expectations of their fans, whether negatively or positively. It is in the nature of expectations to be ephemeral, suffused with fantasy, and always on the move. We can debate forever whether YK is an ATG or not, but there is no question that he has in recent years played some extraordinary innings, and still earns his place in the side. That he does better on some surfaces and worse on others is neither here nor there. Very few players, whether bowlers or batsmen, have been consistently good in all conditions all the time, but among them no one has been better than Younis in what is almost invariably the most difficult time to bat in Tests, the 4th innings. The man has more character and nerve than Asad and Azhar put together.

 

[Junaids]

This is about as useful as "no bowlers shorter than 6" should ever be considered for selection. Each player needs to be judged on their performances. YK just played one of the great Pakistani knocks on an overseas tourney, and remains the country's premiere batsman. It would be absurd to leave him out of this tour. Apart from Misbah himself, no other batsman did much better than him.

I am judging Younis - my all-time favourite Pakistan batsman - on his performances.

He has lost his consistency overseas, and he lost it YEARS ago.

He failed in 5 out of 6 innings in South Africa.

He failed in 6 out of 7 innings in England.

You just have to say goodbye at that point.

 

[Hawkeye]

It was flat. All the wickets in England were dry and flat similar to what India faced in Australia. "Flat" doesn't mean dead wickets like you see in the UAE. Oval had true bounce as did Manchester, but so did the Australian wickets that India faced in India. But none of the wickets in both the series had grass cover and the balls hardly swung or seamed around and moved off the middle. It's one reason I don't rate Virat's knocks in Australia (barring Adelaide 2nd innings) highly.

His century in South Africa, unlike Younis' was not on a flat wicket. Neither was the century in the second innings of the Adelaide Test.

Also, you cannot ignore the age and experience factor. If Younis would put in the same performances overseas as a youngster, he would get a lot more leeway, but you expect more from a veteran whom his fans call an ATG.

Similarly, more will be expected of Kohli from now onwards because he's in his peak years now and has to be more consistent.

Younis has scored a ton in hard SA conditions, where the team bundled down for a low score.

Kohli's performance in SA came when the teams put good runs on the board.

We can't pick and choose, both have similar performances overseas, you can't claim that Kohli has done better on more bowler friendly pitches.

The fact is both have failed under appreciable swing/seam conditions.

There's no shame in admitting that -- however, fans of one player bash the other and forget their own personal favorite.

 

[street cricketer]

Younis has scored a ton in hard SA conditions, where the team bundled down for a low score.

Kohli's performance in SA came when the teams put good runs on the board.

We can't pick and choose, both have similar performances overseas, you can't claim that Kohli has done better on more bowler friendly pitches.

The fact is both have failed under appreciable swing/seam conditions.

There's no shame in admitting that -- however, fans of one player bash the other and forget their own personal favorite.

Kohli scored his ton on the first day in his first test match in South Africa facing Steyn, Philander, Morkel and Kallis. The pitch flattened out only on the 3rd day.

Anyway, I never said YK can only score on flat wickets. I just commented on your wrong inference that the South African wicket was a flat one.

 

[Jan Sher]

It's not a matter of concern. He played a superb match winning knock in England. He can't play such knocks in every match. He is an ATG. Others need to step up. Why not criticize others instead? What exactly has Misbah done overseas? He is a liability now in the Test squad along with Azhar, Sarfraz and Asad, especially overseas.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Yes the Kohli century wicket wasn't flat but both team put totals of 400+

However younis khans century in South Africa doesn't matter even though it happened to be in an innings where Pakistan was 33/4

This is a classic case of picking a conclusion and then making an argument for it

India vs South Africa 1st test 2013-14.

India 1st innings 280 ao(Kohli 119, next highest score was 47 by Rahane)

South Africa 1st innings 244 ao

Pitch flattened out in 2nd innings and both scored 400 plus to end the game a draw. Kohli has a 96 even in 2nd innings but can be ignored as pitch was easy for both sides from day 3.

No one with a conscience will call that knock of 119 against Steyn, Morkel, Philander n Kallis as a flat track innings, I doubt if anyone has seen that match for first 2 days, it was banana swing.