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Your five greatest ODI bowlers of all time?

Unbiased-Fan said:
In no particular order,
Garner
Akram
McGrath
Pollock
Waqar
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How are people confidently including players like Garner. You can't have seen them play and pure stats don't mean much. The One day game was completely different. Averages are hardly comparable. Test matches at least have some similarity.
 
Red-Indian said:
How are people confidently including players like Garner. You can't have seen them play and pure stats don't mean much. The One day game was completely different. Averages are hardly comparable. Test matches at least have some similarity.
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I can't leave out statistically the best ever ODI bowler
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Since the thread is about the players I have watched, my list is:

McGrath
Akram
Warne
Steyn
Bumrah
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Yes this seems fair. Steyn is the only one I could maybe question. I feel he was better in tests than ODIs.

Couple of names for consideration
Saqlain
Shami
Waqar

and a surprise one - Rashid Khan. He's building up an impressive statistical record. Though he's probably better considered for top 5 T20 bowlers and probably benefits from batters treating his overs as the only ones to respect.
 
Wasim Akram
Glen Mcgrath
Bumrah
Saqlain
Muralitharan
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These are the 5 best bowlers I have seen bowl with my own eyes.:)
 
Too many good ODI bowlers so you need filters like world cup performances.

Starc
Akram
Shami
Mcgrath
Murali

This unit will be potent against any batting unit.
 
Well i love pace... extreme pace..so i will start with

Shoaib Akhtar
Brett Lee
Dale Steyn
Wasim Akram
Shane Bond
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
He is one of the best ever. 13 ODI fifers are hard to ignore
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That is an impressive accomplishment, but his economy rate of 4.68 during the time he played is not outstanding. He also did not achieve significant success in the World Cups.
 
Red-Indian said:
How are people confidently including players like Garner. You can't have seen them play and pure stats don't mean much. The One day game was completely different. Averages are hardly comparable. Test matches at least have some similarity.
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He was 1979 WC Final key performer. Best ODI bowler of one of the greatest ODI side of all-time.
 
Ab Fan said:
He was 1979 WC Final key performer. Best ODI bowler of one of the greatest ODI side of all-time.
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Perhaps. It was a different era of cricket. It's like comparing Sydney Barnes with Kuldeep Yadav. Who knows who's really better given so many variables
 
Top 3 has to be between McGrath, Akram and Garner.

Next in line will be Starc and Bumrah.

Then below that, I would have S Pollock, Lee, Ambrose, Donald, Holding, Shami, Waqar etc.

Among spinners, top two, Murali and Warne.

Saqlain a no.3 inspite of legendary stats because of no impact in World Cup even though had an ATG bowling attack. Rest below.
 
Red-Indian said:
Perhaps. It was a different era of cricket. It's like comparing Sydney Barnes with Kuldeep Yadav. Who knows who's really better given so many variables
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But we shouldn't leave him out. He was the best from his era in limited overs.
 
Only based on preference and from the players seen on Live TV and not YouTube videos.

Warne
Steyn
Wasim
Murali
Ambrose
 
Kianig89 said:
Only based on preference and from the players seen on Live TV and not YouTube videos.

Warne
Steyn
Wasim
Murali
Ambrose
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You cannot just cannot drop McGrath. He was the ideal of one-day bowling. Should be the first name on any selection.
 
Mcgrath
Wasim
Starc
Bumrah
Shami (see his record)

I know Boom has won a t20 wc but if he wins an odi wc then he is above starc
 
kron said:
Cannot. Simply cannot.
Shami is top 5 easy.
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Also you have to factor in Shami bowled entirely in 2 new ball era. A world class reverse swing bowler never had the benefit of reverse swing due to this. Imagine him bowling with old ball in 90s.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Also you have to factor in Shami bowled entirely in 2 new ball era. A world class reverse swing bowler never had the benefit of reverse swing due to this. Imagine him bowling with old ball in 90s.
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If only the great idiot kohli picked him for semis in 2019. We would have wiped them out and England.
 
Steyn in odi is a joke. Cmon steyn doesn't deserve top 7 lol in odi

Tests yes top 5
But not odi.
 
kron said:
Steyn in odi is a joke. Cmon steyn doesn't deserve top 7 lol in odi

Tests yes top 5
But not odi.
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I wouldn't go so far as to call it a joke but Steyn's very difficult to consider all-time in ODIs. Neither his average nor his strike rate are in the top 20. He doesn't have an iconic performance on the biggest stage either.

Shane Bond's an underrated ODI performer. Brief career but should possibly be in the running for all-time status based on stats and aura during that career.
 
Shami and Bumrah are way better than Wasim, Waqar who were chokers in tournaments.

Shami is literally the GOAT
 
Red-Indian said:
Malinga's a good one. Ambrose had a lot of aura and excellent economy but he just wasn't enough of a wicket taker. Less than 1.33 wickets per game as reflected in his strike rate.
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Am fan of ambrose so u can call as favouritism.As per ambrose he never pushed himself in odis as much as test matches .we need an intimidating one and I don't see any one as intimidating and equally probing one.
 
only an occasional mention of Shane Bond... what gives? yeah his career was flash in the pan brief but he was incredibly potent!
 
17 greatest ODI bowlers of all-time:-

Aus - McGrath, Starc, Lee, Warne
SA - Pollock, Donald
Eng - None
Ind - Bumrah, Shami
NZ - Hadlee, Bond
Pak - Wasim, Saqlain, Waqar
WI - Garner, Holding, Ambrose
SL - Murali

All these are top ODI bowlers and not sub 25-26 average or beyond bowlers. The likes of Boult, Bracken, Zak, Vaas etc would do well if paired with any two of above names but in terms of rankings are below them as ODIs bowlers purely.

SA with Pollock and Donald were a team to beat in 1999 while the best odi bowlers to come from NZ were Hadlee and Bond. England's best bowler is Darren Gough, averaging a sub 26 while Flintoff was a superb all rounder but purely as bowler, not at the same level as any of these guys.

Imran and Kapil were again sub 26-27 averaging bowlers and so were Marshall and Steyn. Malinga was excellent but that average of 28 won't cut for me, definitely a must in T20Is.
 
Ab Fan said:
Top 10:-

Aus - McGrath, Starc, Warne
SA - S Pollock
Eng - None
WI - Garner
Pak - Wasim, Saqlain
Ind - Bumrah
NZ - Hadlee
SL - Murali

That's my top 10.

Donald, Waqar, Shami, Lee were on a tad expensive side.
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My man, SA and you dont mention Donald? Steyn? Ntini?
And then for WI no Ambrose? Walsh?
 
captain.hansolo said:
My man, SA and you dont mention Donald? Steyn? Ntini?
And then for WI no Ambrose? Walsh?
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It's ODI list. Not test. Refer the full fledged list below.

Ab Fan said:
17 greatest ODI bowlers of all-time:-

Aus - McGrath, Starc, Lee, Warne
SA - Pollock, Donald
Eng - None
Ind - Bumrah, Shami
NZ - Hadlee, Bond
Pak - Wasim, Saqlain, Waqar
WI - Garner, Holding, Ambrose
SL - Murali

All these are top ODI bowlers and not sub 25-26 average or beyond bowlers. The likes of Boult, Bracken, Zak, Vaas etc would do well if paired with any two of above names but in terms of rankings are below them as ODIs bowlers purely.

SA with Pollock and Donald were a team to beat in 1999 while the best odi bowlers to come from NZ were Hadlee and Bond. England's best bowler is Darren Gough, averaging a sub 26 while Flintoff was a superb all rounder but purely as bowler, not at the same level as any of these guys.

Imran and Kapil were again sub 26-27 averaging bowlers and so were Marshall and Steyn. Malinga was excellent but that average of 28 won't cut for me, definitely a must in T20Is.
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Red-Indian said:
How are people confidently including players like Garner. You can't have seen them play and pure stats don't mean much. The One day game was completely different. Averages are hardly comparable. Test matches at least have some similarity.
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His bowling is available in full and or highlights on YouTube bro, you can see him play lol
 
captain.hansolo said:
My man, SA and you dont mention Donald? Steyn? Ntini?
And then for WI no Ambrose? Walsh?
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Agreed on Steyn but Donald and Ntini were just over hyped bowlers!

i will rather pick Shaun Pollock from South Africa along with Steyn
 
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captain.hansolo said:
this cannot be a serious opinion...
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He probably is not GOAT. But his point has merit. Look at world cup performance of bowlers agianst non minnows. Show me anyone that can remotely match Shami. Let us not forget post DRS fast bowlers suffered more. In addition to that Shami bowled during the two new ball era all his career.

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jnaveen1980 said:
He probably is not GOAT. But his point has merit. Look at world cup performance of bowlers agianst non minnows. Show me anyone that can remotely match Shami. Let us not forget post DRS fast bowlers suffered more. In addition to that Shami bowled during the two new ball era all his career.

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Being better than Waqar in ODI is a low bar to be honest, but Shami being way better than Wasim? That hardly makes any sense.

Wasim was in the same class as Bumrah. May be slightly easier to hit but in the same class. Are we going to put Shami over Wasim/Bumrah just based on 10-12 ODI games? Yes, Shami record is really great and unmatched, but 10-12 games won't put him over Wasim/Bumrah.
 
Buffet said:
Being better than Waqar in ODI is a low bar to be honest, but Shami being way better than Wasim? That hardly makes any sense.

Wasim was in the same class as Bumrah. May be slightly easier to hit but in the same class. Are we going to put Shami over Wasim/Bumrah just based on 10-12 ODI games? Yes, Shami record is really great and unmatched, but 10-12 games won't put him over Wasim/Bumrah.
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Shami is better than Bumrah in ODIs. At one point he was picking 2 wickets every match on an average. He has the best strike rate in history. Average, Strike rate. All in the current era where ball is not allowed to be scuffed up, two new balls are used. Imagine the bowlers from past without reverse. Statistically he is better than Bumrah as well. Bumrah is probably more versatile. I don't say he is GOAT. He is definitely one of the best in ODI history.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Shami is better than Bumrah in ODIs. At one point he was picking 2 wickets every match on an average. He has the best strike rate in history. Average, Strike rate. All in the current era where ball is not allowed to be scuffed up, two new balls are used. Imagine the bowlers from past without reverse. Statistically he is better than Bumrah as well. Bumrah is probably more versatile. I don't say he is GOAT. He is definitely one of the best in ODI history.
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Nah, I think you are reading too much into 10-12 WC games here.

Here is Shami stats: Shami goes for 5.5 runs per over and Bumrah goes for 4.5 runs per over. That's a very huge gap. SR is 25 for Shami and 30 for Bumrah. Not a big gap there.




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Buffet said:
Nah, I think you are reading too much into 10-12 WC games here.

Here is Shami stats: Shami goes for 5.5 runs per over and Bumrah goes for 4.5 runs per over. That's a very huge gap. SR is 25 for Shami and 30 for Bumrah. Not a big gap there.




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Fact that he has picked 42 wickets in 12 matches against top teams shows what a gun bowler he is. He is still 3rd on the list. He saved India from embarrassment against Afghanistan in 2019 world cup by taking a hatrick in 50th over. He also provided the breakthrough when NZ was going swimmingly in the semi final finished with 7fer. He has been our go to bowler in ODIs for more close to 10 years. Bumrah apart from the 6 for 19 has not provided spells like Shami has provided. Yea he is economical. But if you take out minnows Shami is significantly better. Use any filter Shami will be somewhere near the top.

Last 10 years Indian fast bowlers in ODIs against 5 teams. (removed SL/BD/WI and other teams who were poor during this phase)

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Shami's sample is low due to continuous injuries and team management undecided on whom to pick- Bhuvi or Shami?

Unless you watch your cricket on paper, you shouldn't pick Shami over Bumrah. If Shami played 10 matches in World Cup instead of 5, his WC average would have been same as Bumrah instead of 11.
 
Ab Fan said:
Shami's sample is low due to continuous injuries and team management undecided on whom to pick- Bhuvi or Shami?

Unless you watch your cricket on paper, you shouldn't pick Shami over Bumrah. If Shami played 10 matches in World Cup instead of 5, his WC average would have been same as Bumrah instead of 11.
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Against top sides in that list

Shami 12 matches 42 wickets
Bumrah 15 matches 24 wickets

So it is not even close. Bumrah is a better bowler. Nobody denies that as he has too many tricks up his sleeve. But in terms of sheer performance, match breaking spells Shami has proven record. Bumrah is breathing fire only in the last 2 or 3 years in LOIs. Shami has been doing over a decade. Did exceptionally well in all 3 world cups.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Against top sides in that list

Shami 12 matches 42 wickets
Bumrah 15 matches 24 wickets

So it is not even close. Bumrah is a better bowler. Nobody denies that as he has too many tricks up his sleeve. But in terms of sheer performance, match breaking spells Shami has proven record. Bumrah is breathing fire only in the last 2 or 3 years in LOIs. Shami has been doing over a decade. Did exceptionally well in all 3 world cups.
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Till 2019, Bhuvi was occasionally preferred over Shami, hence it suggests Shami was not a guaranteed pick in the side. Bumrah was always a guaranteed pick since 2016. He had a slight dip in form post 2019 for couple of years when he was economical but struggling to pick wickets vs top teams.

In last few years, Bumrah got back that wicket taking ability again and is economical while Shami also maintained his economy and reduced his average drastically from 25 to 23.
 
I would take Bumrah over Shami in Odis but it is close, Bumrah is hard to hit but Shami is a better wicket taker and there should be no doubt about that.

In the last two world cups, everytime he came in he provided us a breakthrough and even in regular odis he strikes regularly against big teams.
 
Bhaijaan said:
What exactly did they win together.
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They bowled the the most deadly spells in history of ODI cricket. Performances that will never be repeated.
70/1 would become 110 all out in a matter of few overs.
Twice made WC final in 90's.
My favourite was their routing of India in pepsi cup 1999.
 
Only once have I have seen Aussie batsmen being scared of getting hit.
Shoaib at the Gabba in 2002
 
Ahmed216 said:
They bowled the the most deadly spells in history of ODI cricket. 70/1 would become 110 all out in a matter of few overs.
Twice made WC final in 90's.
My favourite was their routing of India in pepsi cup 1999
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Twice made World Cup final 🤣🤣🤣🤣

What an achievement. We all were witness to Waqar playing such crucial role in those tournaments lol
 
Ahmed216 said:
Only once have I have seen Aussie batsmen being scared of getting hit.
Shoaib at the Gabba in 2002
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Bharat’s last two tours of Australia had them running for their lives against bouncers from our bowlers. Bowlers who actually won something in Australia.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Twice made World Cup final 🤣🤣🤣🤣

What an achievement. We all were witness to Waqar playing such crucial role in those tournaments lol
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Bhaijaan, there was no mention in the OP that all the bowlers have to play together to be rated as great
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bharat’s last two tours of Australia had them running for their lives against bouncers from our bowlers. Bowlers who actually won something in Australia.
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Thought this thread was about ODI cricket.
Although I agree bumrah and Shami are better than Akram and Marshall cimbined
 
Akram, McGrath, Starc, Shami and Bumrah. I expect to be contradicted in sample size, but I am talking purely quality. This is the highest level of ODI bowling I have witnessed.
 
If Shami played the 2003 World Cup, we were winning it. He would have wrecked havoc on those pitches and would have broken the wickets record.
 
Shami has 55 ODI World Cup wickets at an average of 13.52 and a strike rate of 15.81

This is not only absolutely freaking awesome it’s Don Bradman level awesome.

He is so far ahead of everyone in an era batsmen broke all records in world cups.

THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME 🐐
 
Bhaijaan said:
If Shami played the 2003 World Cup, we were winning it. He would have wrecked havoc on those pitches and would have broken the wickets record.
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I am always amazed how he shows up twice the bowler in the World Cups. It's like glasses coming off Kent Clark. How an uncle looking guy starts rattling stump after stump, very unexpected.
 
Surprisingly Wasim Akram has very inconsistent WC. Great in 92 ad 99 but poor in other 3.
WasimMatWktsAveEconSR
Overall
356​
502​
23.52​
3.89​
36.2​
WC
29​
38​
29​
4.3​
40.4​
WC 1987
7​
7​
42.14​
4.65​
54.2​
WC 92
9​
15​
21.13​
3.97​
31.8​
WC 96
3​
1​
80​
4.89​
98​
WC 99
7​
11​
23.72​
3.9​
36.4​
WC 2003
3​
4​
37.25​
4.96​
45​
 
I made ODI bowling table giving weightage to WC performace.
Criteria used min 100 overall wickets , 5 WC wickets.
Effective formula used was Overall+2*WC

Bowlers with 300+ Effective wickets
PlayerEff.WktsEff.AvgEff.SREff.ER
MA Starc
314​
22.42​
25.63​
5.25​
GD McGrath
423​
22.52​
33.40​
4.05​
B Lee
385​
22.82​
28.53​
4.80​
Waqar Younis
405​
24.09​
30.06​
4.81​
Wasim Akram
515​
25.08​
37.49​
4.01​
M Muralidaran
490​
25.49​
37.55​
4.07​
SK Warne
306​
25.52​
36.04​
4.25​
SM Pollock
377​
26.59​
41.60​
3.83​
WPUJC Vaas
379​
29.47​
41.01​
4.31​
J Srinath
326​
30.19​
39.39​
4.60​
SL Malinga
346​
30.91​
33.19​
5.59​
A Kumble
304​
33.09​
45.34​
4.38​
ST Jayasuriya
316​
38.13​
46.97​
4.87​
Shahid Afridi
322​
38.74​
49.02​
4.74​

Bowlers less than 300 effective wickets
PlayerEff.WktsEff.AvgEff.SREff.ER
Mohammed Shami
251​
19.67​
21.32​
5.53​
J Garner
166​
19.83​
37.86​
3.14​
MA Holding
176​
20.55​
37.77​
3.26​
Sir RJ Hadlee
202​
20.89​
38.22​
3.28​
SE Bond
166​
21.69​
30.19​
4.31​
DK Lillee
121​
22.60​
36.29​
3.74​
NW Bracken
183​
23.21​
32.15​
4.33​
AA Donald
296​
23.40​
32.88​
4.27​
Saqlain Mushtaq
258​
24.19​
33.28​
4.36​
DW Fleming
156​
24.37​
32.02​
4.57​
CJ McDermott
241​
24.49​
36.04​
4.08​
M Morkel
193​
24.74​
29.66​
5.00​
Imran Khan
245​
24.74​
37.78​
3.93​
CEL Ambrose
250​
24.76​
42.56​
3.49​
JJ Bumrah
168​
24.90​
32.66​
4.58​
TA Boult
262​
25.08​
29.03​
5.18​
Abdul Qadir
175​
25.28​
37.88​
4.00​
Imran Tahir
187​
25.71​
33.08​
4.66​
DW Steyn
202​
25.93​
31.77​
4.90​
A Flintoff
159​
26.50​
35.89​
4.43​
MD Marshall
179​
26.84​
45.85​
3.51​
Kuldeep Yadav
187​
26.86​
31.48​
5.12​
EJ Chatfield
165​
26.95​
44.14​
3.66​
MG Johnson
235​
26.97​
32.62​
4.96​
JR Hazlewood
161​
27.01​
33.48​
4.84​
GB Hogg
168​
27.35​
35.80​
4.58​
Shoaib Akhtar
244​
27.45​
32.48​
5.07​
CR Woakes
216​
27.81​
30.82​
5.42​
N Kapil Dev
289​
28.42​
45.07​
3.78​
PJ Cummins
184​
28.49​
32.27​
5.30​
K Rabada
162​
28.50​
33.36​
5.13​
IT Botham
193​
28.80​
44.52​
3.88​
MJ Henry
139​
28.91​
32.74​
5.30​
M Prabhakar
184​
29.36​
40.02​
4.40​
A Nehra
172​
29.39​
33.51​
5.26​
A Zampa
181​
29.87​
32.11​
5.58​
LE Plunkett
143​
30.08​
30.94​
5.83​
CA Walsh
247​
31.04​
48.62​
3.83​
HH Streak
251​
31.10​
40.60​
4.60​
L Klusener
192​
31.15​
38.03​
4.91​
Umar Gul
149​
31.29​
35.32​
5.32​
M Dillon
124​
31.35​
41.52​
4.53​
Z Khan
257​
31.63​
36.92​
5.14​
JM Anderson
258​
31.76​
37.34​
5.10​
Mustafizur Rahman
159​
31.89​
32.87​
5.82​
Mushtaq Ahmed
187​
32.07​
43.80​
4.39​
Aaqib Javed
190​
32.08​
44.10​
4.37​
JH Kallis
274​
32.89​
40.53​
4.87​
R Ashwin
160​
33.01​
40.29​
4.91​
PAJ DeFreitas
152​
33.03​
48.36​
4.10​
JDP Oram
159​
33.13​
43.57​
4.56​
TG Southee
250​
33.46​
34.23​
5.86​
AD Mathews
126​
33.61​
43.15​
4.67​
BKV Prasad
186​
33.81​
43.08​
4.71​
SR Waugh
227​
34.78​
44.64​
4.67​
Harbhajan Singh
248​
34.95​
47.04​
4.46​
Abdul Razzaq
240​
34.95​
44.31​
4.73​
Azhar Mahmood
138​
34.99​
45.14​
4.65​
CL Hooper
220​
35.75​
49.37​
4.35​
RA Jadeja
219​
36.11​
44.61​
4.86​
Rubel Hossain
124​
36.68​
36.73​
5.99​
AU Rashid
182​
36.88​
38.83​
5.70​
DL Vettori
265​
37.23​
52.22​
4.28​
Abdur Razzak
135​
37.70​
45.27​
5.00​
PA de Silva
128​
38.48​
46.82​
4.93​
Shakib Al Hasan
227​
38.92​
47.55​
4.91​
CZ Harris
209​
39.11​
53.63​
4.38​
Mohammad Hafeez
125​
40.26​
56.70​
4.26​
JO Holder
129​
40.36​
41.79​
5.80​
 
Note - above 2 posts are performances against SENA , Ind , Pak , SL , WI
 
jeetu said:
Note - above 2 posts are performances against SENA , Ind , Pak , SL , WI
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There are so many intangible factors based on evolution of the format. For the first 15 years or so one dayers had a template of start very slow and score in the last 10 overs. Srikkanth was an exception. Then power play aggression became the new thing in the 90s. Then the flat pitch era in the 2000s where totals of 350 even 400 started happening. Then the two new ball era where batsmen dominated. Then that 4 fielder rule which transformed England into a beastly unit. So bowlers were relatively under less pressure for the first 15 to 20 years. Post 2000 bowlers started feeling the heat. After 2013 or 14 bowlers were at the mercy of batsmen.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
There are so many intangible factors based on evolution of the format. For the first 15 years or so one dayers had a template of start very slow and score in the last 10 overs. Srikkanth was an exception. Then power play aggression became the new thing in the 90s. Then the flat pitch era in the 2000s where totals of 350 even 400 started happening. Then the two new ball era where batsmen dominated. Then that 4 fielder rule which transformed England into a beastly unit. So bowlers were relatively under less pressure for the first 15 to 20 years. Post 2000 bowlers started feeling the heat. After 2013 or 14 bowlers were at the mercy of batsmen.
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I did create a thread taking ERA factor into account 5 years back.

Stats : Rating ODI bowlers across eras

This is the bowler's version of my last thread. Factors included are Economy , Strike Rate and Average. Era stats are used to balanced out older players. Pretty surprising that with time bowlers strike rate is improving with time. Bowlers Average has not fluctuated much since 1980. Where as...
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It would be interesting so see where Bumrah , Shami , Starc etc fits among legends in updated table.
 
My 5 greatest ODI bowlers of all time:

1) Wasim Akram

2) Glenn McGrath

3) Murali (I know some call him a chucker but he is not a chucker as per ICC)

4) Waqar Younis

5) Chaminda Vaas.
 
sweep_shot said:
My 5 greatest ODI bowlers of all time:

1) Wasim Akram

2) Glenn McGrath

3) Murali (I know some call him a chucker but he is not a chucker as per ICC)

4) Waqar Younis

5) Chaminda Vaas.
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Four of those five aren’t even that country’s best ODI bowlers.
 
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jeetu said:
I made ODI bowling table giving weightage to WC performace.
Criteria used min 100 overall wickets , 5 WC wickets.
Effective formula used was Overall+2*WC

Bowlers with 300+ Effective wickets
PlayerEff.WktsEff.AvgEff.SREff.ER
MA Starc
314​
22.42​
25.63​
5.25​
GD McGrath
423​
22.52​
33.40​
4.05​
B Lee
385​
22.82​
28.53​
4.80​
Waqar Younis
405​
24.09​
30.06​
4.81​
Wasim Akram
515​
25.08​
37.49​
4.01​
M Muralidaran
490​
25.49​
37.55​
4.07​
SK Warne
306​
25.52​
36.04​
4.25​
SM Pollock
377​
26.59​
41.60​
3.83​
WPUJC Vaas
379​
29.47​
41.01​
4.31​
J Srinath
326​
30.19​
39.39​
4.60​
SL Malinga
346​
30.91​
33.19​
5.59​
A Kumble
304​
33.09​
45.34​
4.38​
ST Jayasuriya
316​
38.13​
46.97​
4.87​
Shahid Afridi
322​
38.74​
49.02​
4.74​

Bowlers less than 300 effective wickets
PlayerEff.WktsEff.AvgEff.SREff.ER
Mohammed Shami
251​
19.67​
21.32​
5.53​
J Garner
166​
19.83​
37.86​
3.14​
MA Holding
176​
20.55​
37.77​
3.26​
Sir RJ Hadlee
202​
20.89​
38.22​
3.28​
SE Bond
166​
21.69​
30.19​
4.31​
DK Lillee
121​
22.60​
36.29​
3.74​
NW Bracken
183​
23.21​
32.15​
4.33​
AA Donald
296​
23.40​
32.88​
4.27​
Saqlain Mushtaq
258​
24.19​
33.28​
4.36​
DW Fleming
156​
24.37​
32.02​
4.57​
CJ McDermott
241​
24.49​
36.04​
4.08​
M Morkel
193​
24.74​
29.66​
5.00​
Imran Khan
245​
24.74​
37.78​
3.93​
CEL Ambrose
250​
24.76​
42.56​
3.49​
JJ Bumrah
168​
24.90​
32.66​
4.58​
TA Boult
262​
25.08​
29.03​
5.18​
Abdul Qadir
175​
25.28​
37.88​
4.00​
Imran Tahir
187​
25.71​
33.08​
4.66​
DW Steyn
202​
25.93​
31.77​
4.90​
A Flintoff
159​
26.50​
35.89​
4.43​
MD Marshall
179​
26.84​
45.85​
3.51​
Kuldeep Yadav
187​
26.86​
31.48​
5.12​
EJ Chatfield
165​
26.95​
44.14​
3.66​
MG Johnson
235​
26.97​
32.62​
4.96​
JR Hazlewood
161​
27.01​
33.48​
4.84​
GB Hogg
168​
27.35​
35.80​
4.58​
Shoaib Akhtar
244​
27.45​
32.48​
5.07​
CR Woakes
216​
27.81​
30.82​
5.42​
N Kapil Dev
289​
28.42​
45.07​
3.78​
PJ Cummins
184​
28.49​
32.27​
5.30​
K Rabada
162​
28.50​
33.36​
5.13​
IT Botham
193​
28.80​
44.52​
3.88​
MJ Henry
139​
28.91​
32.74​
5.30​
M Prabhakar
184​
29.36​
40.02​
4.40​
A Nehra
172​
29.39​
33.51​
5.26​
A Zampa
181​
29.87​
32.11​
5.58​
LE Plunkett
143​
30.08​
30.94​
5.83​
CA Walsh
247​
31.04​
48.62​
3.83​
HH Streak
251​
31.10​
40.60​
4.60​
L Klusener
192​
31.15​
38.03​
4.91​
Umar Gul
149​
31.29​
35.32​
5.32​
M Dillon
124​
31.35​
41.52​
4.53​
Z Khan
257​
31.63​
36.92​
5.14​
JM Anderson
258​
31.76​
37.34​
5.10​
Mustafizur Rahman
159​
31.89​
32.87​
5.82​
Mushtaq Ahmed
187​
32.07​
43.80​
4.39​
Aaqib Javed
190​
32.08​
44.10​
4.37​
JH Kallis
274​
32.89​
40.53​
4.87​
R Ashwin
160​
33.01​
40.29​
4.91​
PAJ DeFreitas
152​
33.03​
48.36​
4.10​
JDP Oram
159​
33.13​
43.57​
4.56​
TG Southee
250​
33.46​
34.23​
5.86​
AD Mathews
126​
33.61​
43.15​
4.67​
BKV Prasad
186​
33.81​
43.08​
4.71​
SR Waugh
227​
34.78​
44.64​
4.67​
Harbhajan Singh
248​
34.95​
47.04​
4.46​
Abdul Razzaq
240​
34.95​
44.31​
4.73​
Azhar Mahmood
138​
34.99​
45.14​
4.65​
CL Hooper
220​
35.75​
49.37​
4.35​
RA Jadeja
219​
36.11​
44.61​
4.86​
Rubel Hossain
124​
36.68​
36.73​
5.99​
AU Rashid
182​
36.88​
38.83​
5.70​
DL Vettori
265​
37.23​
52.22​
4.28​
Abdur Razzak
135​
37.70​
45.27​
5.00​
PA de Silva
128​
38.48​
46.82​
4.93​
Shakib Al Hasan
227​
38.92​
47.55​
4.91​
CZ Harris
209​
39.11​
53.63​
4.38​
Mohammad Hafeez
125​
40.26​
56.70​
4.26​
JO Holder
129​
40.36​
41.79​
5.80​
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Why the double weight? Why not triple? Or quadruple, or 10x? Or 50x? It is after all the most important tournament for that format is it not?

This is such absolute rubbish, and I see this a lot here. Selective, subjective rating and skewing of numbers.

Is a wicket against Namibia in the 2003 World Cup worth two wickets in the champions trophy final against Australia?

How about a wicket against Sri Lanka in a dead rubber World Cup group game versus a wicket against Sri Lanka in a must win game for an Asia Cup semifinal qualifier?
 
Ahmed216 said:
They bowled the the most deadly spells in history of ODI cricket. Performances that will never be repeated.
70/1 would become 110 all out in a matter of few overs.
Twice made WC final in 90's.
My favourite was their routing of India in pepsi cup 1999.
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Bruh, Venkatesh Prasad had better figures in that game than any of the fellas you mentioned. That game was won by Azhar Mehmood’s fiver. And I really do hope that your next argument is arguing that Azhar Mehmood is an all time great ODI bowler.
 
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captain.hansolo said:
Bruh, Venkatesh Prasad had better figures in that game than any of the fellas you mentioned. That game was won by Azhar Mehmood’s fiver. And I really do hope that your next argument is arguing that Azhar Mehmood is an all time great ODI bowler.
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Before you respond, just want to add that Shoaib did take two wickets too in that game, those of batting stalwarts such as Sadgopan Ramesh and Amar Khurasiya. The two venerable titans of Indian batting.
 
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captain.hansolo said:
Before you respond, just want to add that Shoaib did take two wickets too in that game, those of batting stalwarts such as Sadgopan Ramesh and Amar Khurasiya. The two venerable titans of Indian batting.
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This one just keeps giving, Prasad also outscored Anwar in that game. So yeah. Top example bro.
 
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