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Yuzvendra Chahal vs Shadab Khan : The better bowler in ODIs?

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the numbers would suggest that Chahal is better by a fair bit but I think its closer than it looks. Average of 23.8 compared to an average of 27.8 . Shadab gets sharp turn on most surfaces and has a mean googly. What do PPers think? Who is currently better and who will have better careers?

This is strictly about their bowling.
 
Chahal is a level above the minnow-basher. He is often underrated because of Kuldeep who is an ODI great in the making, but Chahal in his own right is a world class.
 
Not even a comparison, Chahal is much better. Sharp turns don't always help when your line and length is predictable.
 
Mamoon said:
Chahal is a level above the minnow-basher. He is often underrated because of Kuldeep who is an ODI great in the making, but Chahal in his own right is a world class.
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I find chahal, shami and Rohit to be similar as in that they have insane stats but because there is a better version of them in the team they are underrated.
 
They both do great job for their country , no reason for comparison, Sadab is playing for the weak team and Chahal comes bowls alongside Bumraah, Shami, Yadav, everybody averaging less than 25 so average difference is not big.
Sharab is young and improve further.
Best of luck to both bowlers for the future
 
Why make such threads when you know yourself the answer? These kind of comparison threads are made for one purpose only to belittle the parosis.

If they were at a similar level then yes but currently they are level apart so this is seems to be an attempt to mock the other side.
 
Navdeep Srivastava said:
They both do great job for their country , no reason for comparison, Sadab is playing for the weak team and Chahal comes bowls alongside Bumraah, Shami, Yadav, everybody averaging less than 25 so average difference is not big.
Sharab is young and improve further.
Best of luck to both bowlers for the future
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There is a reason for comparison since they are both Right arm wrist spinners. But i do agree that Chahal plays around generally better fast bowlers and that helps his case.
 
geraltofrivia said:
I find chahal, shami and Rohit to be similar as in that they have insane stats but because there is a better version of them in the team they are underrated.
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Rohit is getting his due. He is an ODI giant and is recognised as one, mainly because he has scaled heights that even Kohli hasn't reached, i.e. three double tons.

However, I agree that Shami is underrated as well. He India's premier fast bowler before Bumrah emerged.
 
Wrong comparison. Shadab is an allrounder whereas Chahal is in the team only for his bowling.
 
Shadab is quite amazing too. Especially love his wrong'un. I think he would be so much better with Dhoni behind the stumps instead of Sarfraz who is awful as a support keeper/captain.

Without looking at the record, i guess it is quite close. Shadab is putting Pakistan right back in the match every time i see Pakistan LOI matches. He's always on the money.

As a fan of attacking wrist spin bowling you gotta love both.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Shadab is quite amazing too. Especially love his wrong'un. I think he would be so much better with Dhoni behind the stumps instead of Sarfraz who is awful as a support keeper/captain.

Without looking at the record, i guess it is quite close. Shadab is putting Pakistan right back in the match every time i see Pakistan LOI matches. He's always on the money.

As a fan of attacking wrist spin bowling you gotta love both.
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Absolutely. Shadab has the x-factor and often delivers whenever handed the ball. Even in test matches in South Africa he did take wickets and looked threatening. He is just 20 years old so will keep improving as he matures more.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Why make such threads when you know yourself the answer? These kind of comparison threads are made for one purpose only to belittle the parosis.

If they were at a similar level then yes but currently they are level apart so this is seems to be an attempt to mock the other side.
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spot on .
 
Nikhil_cric said:
No, he is not. Shadab strikes at 65 in ODI's. The longer he bats, the more chances of PAK putting a below average total.
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you sound like he is already 30 shadab is 20 year old far from finish product .he will improve his power game
 
Shandarchowka said:
Absolutely. Shadab has the x-factor and often delivers whenever handed the ball. Even in test matches in South Africa he did take wickets and looked threatening. He is just 20 years old so will keep improving as he matures more.
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Wishing him a great career.

He also looks like a very wise young lad.

Hopefully a future captaincy candidate too.
 
age is also main factor for leg spinner they muture late .Chahal is already muture as a bowler as he is 28 and shadab with very little experience in domestic is straight away playing international cricket.
 
Indians, please learn to give some credit to the opponents too.

Its not always about celebrating your talent only.

Thanks.

Bhaijaan.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
No, he is not. Shadab strikes at 65 in ODI's. The longer he bats, the more chances of PAK putting a below average total.
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Don't be too quick to dismiss him. He is one of the best youngsters going around. He is an amazing fielder, very deceptive bowler and more importantly a genuine guy with a a big heart. He never stops trying. He is still working on his batting method, I won't be surprised if we elevates himself to Malik level in the very near future.
 
Their release style is different. Shaman has to improve his landings which is crucial for leggier. I think his style of release makes him bowl more drag downs.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Their release style is different. Shaman has to improve his landings which is crucial for leggier. I think his style of release makes him bowl more drag downs.
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A very good post. I've noticed this too. He puts a lot of revs on the ball but ends up dragging it down way too often. Should he use a more round arm action to flight the ball more consistently?
 
Shandarchowka said:
Don't be too quick to dismiss him. He is one of the best youngsters going around. He is an amazing fielder, very deceptive bowler and more importantly a genuine guy with a a big heart. He never stops trying. He is still working on his batting method, I won't be surprised if we elevates himself to Malik level in the very near future.
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Brother, im not talking about what he may or not accomplish in the future but currently hrs not being selected for his batting and rightly so since he can't score at a fair clip. He's being selected for his bowling and this thread is restricted to comparing their bowling effectiveness' alone.
 
When you can't beat them in "any facet" , the final excuse "he's still young."
 
ABMiller said:
"Malik Level" . Thats how low our cricket has gone.
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For a talented and delivering leg spinner to be able to bat like Malik would be a great honour. Malik has won Pakistan many matches in limited over cricket with his batting.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
When you can't beat them in "any facet" , the final excuse "he's still young."
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I do not know which Sobers are you expecting but Shadab has been performing in most matches and his batting potential is a bonus, and which world so you live in where age and experience are not a factor?
 
Khan12 said:
chahal Is a better batsmen and a fielder then Shadab according to you since you said "any facet".
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Specialist fielder.

His batting is non-existent nowadays, so I don't take that into consideration.
 
PakPremi said:
I do not know which Sobers are you expecting but Shadab has been performing in most matches and his batting potential is a bonus, and which world so you live in where age and experience are not a factor?
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The "age excuse" was used for Umar Akmal too when comparisons with Kohli were made.

I don't need to tell you anything else.
 
Khan12 said:
So he is better then him at "one facet". Thank you.
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Yes, but my post wasn't targeted for this specific thread.

It was a general perception I have noticed for many years.

Meanwhile, congratulations on having a specialist fielder at the moment.
 
Chahal is the better bowler for sure but Shadab is a better batsman and fielder
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Shadab is quite amazing too. Especially love his wrong'un. I think he would be so much better with Dhoni behind the stumps instead of Sarfraz who is awful as a support keeper/captain.

Without looking at the record, i guess it is quite close. Shadab is putting Pakistan right back in the match every time i see Pakistan LOI matches. He's always on the money.

As a fan of attacking wrist spin bowling you gotta love both.
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The part about Dhoni is a valid one. India have a good bowling attack now so Kohli is sort of lucky. But in the past India had mediocre bowlers but Dhoni knew how to use them. Now when Pakistan have poor bowlers a captain like him would have brought the very best out of them.
 
IAJ said:
The part about Dhoni is a valid one. India have a good bowling attack now so Kohli is sort of lucky. But in the past India had mediocre bowlers but Dhoni knew how to use them. Now when Pakistan have poor bowlers a captain like him would have brought the very best out of them.
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Only those who watch India's matches regularly know how much value Dhoni brings with his guidance to bowlers from behidn stumps. He literally orchestrates 25% of their dismissals. The bowler's skill is backed by Dhoni's tactics and thats how The KulCha has become a lethal pair for India in LOIs.

Dhoni gets the best out of even bowlers like Jadhav, all they do is just put the ball into areas Dhoni asks them to.

Aaage daal. Peeeche daal. Isko flight kar. Uska seedhi maar. Duusra maar. Thats what Dhoni keeps doing. :yk


I have seen Pakistani matches. DSarfraz literally tries to act like Dhoni but he does not have the brain of Dhoni neither the patience of Dhoni. All he does is act extra pressure on the bowler.
 
Shandarchowka said:
Absolutely. Shadab has the x-factor and often delivers whenever handed the ball. Even in test matches in South Africa he did take wickets and looked threatening. He is just 20 years old so will keep improving as he matures more.
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Shadab is good. But can't remember even a single game against top opposition of significance that he won for Pakistan,. Chahal has won us series in SA, Aus and NZ. Not to mention his Asia cup performance.
 
Mamoon said:
Rohit is getting his due. He is an ODI giant and is recognised as one, mainly because he has scaled heights that even Kohli hasn't reached, i.e. three double tons.

However, I agree that Shami is underrated as well. He India's premier fast bowler before Bumrah emerged.
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I wonder you are comparing Virat with Rohit who doesn't have any clue of moving ball. Scoring daddy tons are worth to appreciate but failing 9 out of 10 times when ball is moving can't be ignored.
 
Shadab has lost it...hope he improves,,,Not be bad to drop him for few matches but WC is close.
 
Shadab need to play full domestic season otherwise he'll face lot of problems and may find himself out of the selection.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Only those who watch India's matches regularly know how much value Dhoni brings with his guidance to bowlers from behidn stumps. He literally orchestrates 25% of their dismissals. The bowler's skill is backed by Dhoni's tactics and thats how The KulCha has become a lethal pair for India in LOIs.

Dhoni gets the best out of even bowlers like Jadhav, all they do is just put the ball into areas Dhoni asks them to.

Aaage daal. Peeeche daal. Isko flight kar. Uska seedhi maar. Duusra maar. Thats what Dhoni keeps doing. :yk


I have seen Pakistani matches. DSarfraz literally tries to act like Dhoni but he does not have the brain of Dhoni neither the patience of Dhoni. All he does is act extra pressure on the bowler.
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After watching the NZ series I would agree with you, I was all for inclusion of pant in the team for the WC but I missed this aspect of Dhoni.. As a mentor to bowlers and captain he is irreplaceable.. Still unsure of his ability to win us a 270+ chase match with top 3 failing..
 
PakPremi said:
For a talented and delivering leg spinner to be able to bat like Malik would be a great honour. Malik has won Pakistan many matches in limited over cricket with his batting.
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I still believe there are much better youngsters in Pakistan compared to Malik and Hafeez
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
I wonder you are comparing Virat with Rohit who doesn't have any clue of moving ball. Scoring daddy tons are worth to appreciate but failing 9 out of 10 times when ball is moving can't be ignored.
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This is false Kohli has already proven his abilities against the moving ball. You can watch the SA and England test series to see for yourself.. Kohlis problem isn't against moving ball but against left armers who can move the ball in both directions at speed.. It's not just Kohlis problem but such bowlers (Wasim/in form amir) will give any batsman issues..

It's an awkward angle when ball comes from left hand bowler and you don't have enough practice against such bowlers since they are very limited.. So it's hard to adapt against them.

Having said that Kohli has the grit to still grind it out like he did against amir in Asia cup back when he came back and was swinging balls both ways with great pace . You need some luck as well to survive such high quality bowling.

Regarding Rohit, his problem against the above is even worse and he doesn't seem to have grit and concentration levels of kohli so he will fail more often.. In addition to that he has issues against right hand bowlers who swing both ways at pace as well but in ODI's most pitches are flat so In most matches Rohit is the best option to have.
 
Only Pakistanis can dare to make such comparisons. Shadab is a mediocre bowler while Chahal is a top-class bowler with a high level of skill and control over his bowling.

No comparison at all.
 
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