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Some one remind Snowflake that it was Azeem who mention his religion/drinking in the first place.
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A "sell out" and an "uncle tom" ? With this kind of language why would anyone offer you any respect?
I am not a Muslim and I haven't been since I have been an adult but I am a Brit Pakistani, yes I will have a drink, yes I have friends and colleagues from all racial backgrounds, that makes me a sell out?
Do I need to grow a beard like Adil and Moeen and only eat a mixed grill from an Iraqi halal restaurant in birmingham to be considered not a sell out?
The west has a culture, I really don't understand why people would live in a place that is against their culture. Anyone unhappy is free to leave then we can have a real discussion about institutional racism in this country and fix it.
I have not repeated anything, in fact, I like a few others have been vindicated thanks to racist Azeem. You are now simply agree with me.
I haven't dodged a thing. You are just getting schooled.
And yes you've been proven wrong twice in this thread, it was Azeem who dragged his religion into this - no one else. So please stop playing the victim card, seen enough of it already.
You can't just say things as a matter of fact without zero evidence.
How have I been schooled when you have responded to literally NONE of the points I raised. How am I "now" agreeing with you? Where did my position change? Did I ever say that Azeem should not be punished?
Proven wrong on what? And which victim card are you talking about? Is saying that anyone who commits racist abuse should be punished playing the victim card? lol
You are acting like a kid who, when they have lost an argument, would shut their ears and keep saying the same thing over and over again.
Lol this guys case is over i already knew this was gonna backfire on him. I habe cousins in the UK and theu all drank and now they are all devot muslims after they got married and had kids.
Majority of the western muslim boys drink and then when they marry they flip to being a devot muslim while still drinking on the side. Its hilarious.
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What are you about - zero evidence? It's all in the report published and Azeem's messages.
It pays to read. Clearly you are playing catch up.
Someone should remind you that it has ZERO relevance to racism. Azeem mentions it or anyone else brings it up to discredit his claims... makes no difference.
Again, for the umpteenth time, if anyone has committed racist abuse, they should be punished.
Evidence of how I have been "schooled" or that I have been proven wrong. You need comprehension lessons.
How about you answer, for a change, how your argument is nothing but shooting the messenger?
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He should have known better than not to mention he was pinned and coerced to drink alcohol etc. Now the media will have a field day.
The story is no longer racism but Azeem's character.
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Rafiq was after money, and he will get his money but he wasnt in it to expose racism. What is disturbing is that the players still use racial slurs like **** because In mainstream culture these were seen as racist even back in the 80s. Before they these started to disappear, We had a teacher that would make the class laugh by asking me if all ***** had Datsuns as they were in his words the " **** Rolls Royce" and being 13, i didnt know how to respond.
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Well for starters you hadn't read the OP and came in with a Hail Mary routine 'if proven'. It's all in black and white for everyone to read.
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It was clear as daylight Azeem was after the money. I said it before, compensation culture is widespread now - don't delay claim today!
Now that line of argument is completely new and tbh, sounds like a bit of a reach without knowing about what else he did. If you made a racist comment, it is totally fine to then cop racism for the time to come because you started it? Is that it?
But then what about Adil and Moeen? Did they bring it upon themselves too? Also, does this hold up in the court of law? "He said it first!"
These people are on a high horse and think theu are better then you.
The fact is the western culture is a lot better then whatever culture we grew up with. I still have my east culture within me but its more of an east west mixes culture..
Healthy balance is good..
These people should go back home, why cone here to try and change this country into the sht hole your family came from.
Racism will always be there, be head strong and dont be a mental midget. Too many soft Ps nowadays.
STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. Loll
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Good now you are learning because if his drinking antics have ZERO relevance to racism, then why did Azeem mention it? Let me know when the penny drops.
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But why YK or any other players are still looking to use racial slurs or stereotypes today( or in the last 30 years) is beyond me. Dont these organisation do any training for employees.
Does his admission mean that there will be no due process? Don't be so naïve. Also, I never said that he shouldn't be punished if he is guilty of the same crime. You are really clutching at straws here, and I am sure you know it, only to avoid the uncomfortable truth here... which is, despite his past doings, Azeem's claims should result in punishment for those responsible.
Throw that line of argument of his out the window. What difference does it make to his claims?
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I think this is the problem, there's no cultural awareness/training which is much needed especially where a team includes players from multi nationals. I
It seems organisations glean their knowledge from cases in the media and apply training retrospectively.
Something tells me the ECB will filter down a race relations guidance to other counties after this story
The penny is a long way from dropping for you because you still haven't answered how "the ball game has changed" - something you keep avoiding.
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Did azeem do stupid stuff. Sure he did.he admitted it. Did he act like an idiot at times .yes. none of those absolves Yorkshire and Yorkshire players of their behaviour. Convenient how all these anti azeem stuff is coming out.nit actually makes the case ever more important. These azeem issues are nothing compared to the light he has shone on institutional racism in cricket.
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It casts doubt on his claims of being pinned down and coerced into drinking alcohol - i.e being bullied.
No one is saying Azeem wasn't a victim of racism, but after today's events, Azeem's character and bullying claims and motive have been put into doubt.
Do you know if the Instagram content referred to has been published anywhere?
This is the self proclaimed "voice of the voiceless" mocking Africa and black people as a mature adult, who, by his own account has suffered years of institutional racism.
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So why didn't he accept the original pay offer? Whatever mistakes he's made he's already paid for them and then some. English crickets reckoning has been long in the making..
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That's simple. He didn't accept the original payout offer because he wanted more, and he got it.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ld-never-have-been-put-through-this-7x0knc2fz
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Seems like you were triggered for some reason. I don't really care about your background or personal life so no need to share it.
I just described why people will not have a huge amount of respect for Azeem given his own shenanigans, as a response to a poster asking a question. Sorry if the answer doesn't tie in with one you wanted but I can only tell the truth. This doesn't diminish the racism he was subjected to...but is an important point to many people.
LOL at saying the west has a culture and if we don't like it we can leave...and then wanting a discussion about institutional racism. What a joker.
Nothing in Britain is against my culture. It is the best country in the world and I am able to engage with people from different cultures with mutual respect and tolerance despite lifestyle differences.
It seems like you only want a discussion with people who fall into the same category as you and anyone else can get the hell out of the country because its your way or the high way.
Right. So, if you have been a target of confirmed racist abuse, you cannot speak out because there are doubts about your character and motive? Sounds about right.
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If Azeem is truly a reformed person , as a gesture of good faith, shouldn't he be doing the right thing and donating his $200K from YCC to a jewish charity ?
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I would speak out, make a song and dance about it, rally the media, if I weren't a hypocrite (unlike Azeem).
What are you finding so hard to understand?
Naah, you are not getting off that easy
But I can see why you'd want to scuttle away.Okay, he is a racist. Does that mean his claims are invalid? No. Ball game is very much the same. All those who committed the abuse should be punished.
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Yeah that's fair...I'm not trying to use his drinking as an excuse but it seems people seem to think that's the case so I will stop mentioning it.
Nope, again, you are the one conveniently lowering your comprehension skills.
Committing a crime doesn't bar you from getting justice if you have committed the same crime in the past. That is not how it works. Azeem may be a hypocrite, a liar, a cheater or whatever... it is his claims that should be fairly investigated.
Also, you do know that "making a song dance about something" means to complain about something in a way that is excessive, right? Kinda confirms your take on racism. Just some food for thought.
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Naah, you are not getting off that easy
Okay, he is a racist. Does that mean his claims are invalid? No. Ball game is very much the same. All those who committed the abuse should be punished.
Give it your best shot. You are getting schooled post after post.
How many time does some have to tell you that no one is saying Azeem wasn't a victim of racism? What horepukky invalidity do you keep refering to?
Make no mistake, had these messages been released before Azeem's interview with Cricinfo, before his MP Select committee hearing, before his 6 figure settlement than we'd be reading a different version of events - perhaps no case at all.
Good night.
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You don't live in the UK. Keep your food.
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Like inside above. No matter what we find out about azeem doesn't absolve English cricket of being institutionally racist. Of course he'll be targeted now. But his story isn't the only one. More is gonna come out. He's just the catalyst. You apologists for racists can try to deflect on the individual all you want but you can't hide the fact that Yorkshire admitted the issues he highlighted. Also it seems many holier than thou saints on this forum forget people grow and change. Azeem isn't the same man he was 13 years ago. Or 10 years ago. He lost a child. Faced racial abuse which has been corroborated by others.
You can't hide from this. Discrediting him is not going to make these things go away which some on this forum want fir some weird strange reason..its beyond me tbh.
Again, saying stuff to make yourself feel good doesn't mean its true. I asked the same question as I did a while ago, and you still couldn't answer it.
The invalidity I keep referring to are childish statements like "the ball game has changed".... "his character and motives are now in doubt"... "there are no sympathies for him anymore"... need I say more?
Yeah, no need to dwell on ifs and buts.
Yup, you need some rest because you just spent a whole lot of time and yet are back to square one. Azeem's claims are still valid as ever and today's events will not have any bearing in the court of law because, unlike your preference, cases aren't based on whataboutism and "he said it first"
oh wow! That post flew way over your head. Do you know the meaning of "food for thought?"... also, did you look up the meaning of "making a song and dance about something"?
Also, what does UK have to with anything I said in that post?
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The meme has been deleted but here's more detail:
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...-amidst-yorkshire-racism-scandal-4107242.html
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Again, saying stuff to make yourself feel good doesn't mean its true. I asked the same question as I did a while ago, and you still couldn't answer it.
The invalidity I keep referring to are childish statements like "the ball game has changed".... "his character and motives are now in doubt"... "there are no sympathies for him anymore"... need I say more?
Yeah, no need to dwell on ifs and buts.
Yup, you need some rest because you just spent a whole lot of time and yet are back to square one. Azeem's claims are still valid as ever and today's events will not have any bearing in the court of law because, unlike your preference, cases aren't based on whataboutism and "he said it first"
It true. He has lost sympathy now. You only have to read the reports and comments on social media post messages.
You really do live by your username.
Hehehe.
oh, sorry to burst your bubble but justice isn't based on comments on social media posts. Lol! Maybe you should spend more time there to find like-minded folks!
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Yawn. Good night. Don't let the bed bugs bite!
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Kudos to Azeem for apologising. It takes a man to do such a thing. A true role model for future generations.
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I want English cricket to be cleaned up as well and if it is institutionally racist, as you claim, then it has to be exposed by other british asians who have CREDIBILITY. I want to see Ravi Bopara, Owais Shah, Monty Panesar, Mo Ali and others who have been in the game for a long time to bring up this issue .. not this hypocrite and self-serving Azeem.
Let's not forget this is what the same Azeem said of Gary Balance in 2018 -
" But the way we have gone about it, brilliantly led by Gary Ballance. I couldn't say enough about how brilliant he has been.Everyone sees what's happening on the field but off it, he's been absolutely phenomenal. "
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No its about everyone, Racism can happen to anyone, the people coming forward are from varying backgrounds. I would say this is a watershed moment for Racism in cricket. Azeem Rafiq has been brave where others have thought this is the norm we just have to put up with it.
There is likely more to come out from Azeem Rafiqs history but thats what happens, if you stick your head up and upset people there are always people on the otherside of the argument and thier supporters.
I feel he has done more than anyone else if there was a better rep then in the last 40 years they would have come forward rather than take the easy approach, I have seen England players from the past suggesting they were racially abused but did not want to come forward as it impacts there lives too much.
There is not excuse for anti-semetism he apologised for something he said when he was 19. People are different when they are 19, 30, 40 and even 50. You learn from your mistakes.
The racism problem is very deep and it is easier to go with the flow then say no enough is enough.
Whatever happens Rafiq has done more for anti - racism in cricket then any gimmicks others have introduced.
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Nobody is perfect. Growth and maturity comes with age. He owned up to his mistake and apologized for it. Plus, its not like this happened yesterday. It happened 11 years ago when he was 20 years old.
When you say he isn't 'exactly in a position to be a poster boy' I find that to be a very strange statement. Because by that you insinuate that (a) he either wanted that from the get-go and/or (b) being the poster boy for something is actually something good.
Victims who come forward with how they were treated in a particular environment take a massive risk exposing themselves and their families all kinds of toxicity from the media, the internet and just average people who will always doubt their claims. They put their credibility on the line. And even if some of them may do it for clout I can tell you that nobody wants their legacy to be, being the poster boy/girl of racism or sexual harassment or any other such issue.
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Lots of people from his own community seem to have hate for him.
From afar it looks as though many people are pandering and living of the status quo.
Yes anything that does come out will be to cancel his argument. I never thought he was a saint and squeeky clean, guess what rest of the world isn't either.
Good luck to him everything thrown at him now is out of spite.
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After his testamony on Tuesday, social media had lots of hate for him... it is expected that his whole life will be bought into focus at the end of it when all dust is settled he has done great service to this country and cricket.
Proud of him.
Now he shouldn't give his money away to charities, its recompense for all the pain he has suffered.
Proud of him.
Now he shouldn't give his money away to charities, its recompense for all the pain he has suffered.
If you know that you're not squeaky clean, probably not a good idea to proclaim yourself as the "voice of the voiceless."
Perhaps he'd just forgotten about his racist and misogynistic social media history.
Maybe, but only in certain bigoted groups. I have never in life heard Jew being used for stingy though I have lived in both India and the West for decades.
It does impact his credibility.
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Doubt he forgot but somebody has to take stand at some point. His not a politician just a crickter who has seen wrong and decided to say enough is enough.
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Fair play to Azeem for exposing the evident toxic and racist culture which is clearly present in cricket. This will make sure future British asian/black cricketers can aspire to fulfil their dreams with knowing that the boundaries of discrimination have been breached once and for all.
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Life comes at you fast.
We all knew he is a hypocrite with no credibility. This shouldn’t come as a surprise.
A rubbish cricketer and a third grade individual. Him abusing the England U19 coach and now this are surely not the only two incidents.
More and more stuff is going to humiliated further. He is a bigger racist than everyone that he has accused.
) where are all those who were defending him.......Hopefully this time he wont say that the reason why he was being racist was because he was forced to, like his drinking habit..
I know that his social media history was wiped early today, if he hadn't forgotten, he certainly left it late in the day to cover his grubby tracks...thankfully, the media picked up on it before he hit delete.
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It was common usage amongst the white people when I was growing up and tbh, I didn't even know that the jew they were referring to were the Jews.
Not living in England form what I can see.
this is not his fault.
Azeem was forced to drink the liquid from this bottle. He had yorkshire players sitting and watching him and making sure he did this. He would had never taken a sip out of that bottle, it was those bad yorkshire players who made him drink from this very bad bottle. Shame on them, they even made him an addict.
He is not at fault
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I wish Adil had come out first now it will all seem pointless.
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Only on PP where there are plenty of self loathing desi's.
I have more faith in the British, even the racist ones, then some of the bigots here
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Hilarious how some posters from a particular background are trying to discredit him
The fact is its been proven he and many others have been racially abused and racism in cricket in the uk is instituitionalised and rife
No matter what comes out about him it will not detract from the above and his legitimate claims and clean up cricket for youngsters in the future
The fact is its been proven he and many others have been racially abused and racism in cricket in the uk is instituitionalised and rife
No matter what comes out about him it will not detract from the above and his legitimate claims and clean up cricket for youngsters in the future
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Again, saying stuff to make yourself feel good doesn't mean its true. I asked the same question as I did a while ago, and you still couldn't answer it.
The invalidity I keep referring to are childish statements like "the ball game has changed".... "his character and motives are now in doubt"... "there are no sympathies for him anymore"... need I say more?
Yeah, no need to dwell on ifs and buts.
Yup, you need some rest because you just spent a whole lot of time and yet are back to square one. Azeem's claims are still valid as ever and today's events will not have any bearing in the court of law because, unlike your preference, cases aren't based on whataboutism and "he said it first"
Umm you are wrong.
Someone who lies once, will have a doubtful character if he is asked to testify in court "for claims of truthfulness".
IF Azeem was a "racist himself" , how can the court of law accept when he shouts "racism".
There is a reason witnesses are deemed "not credible enough" in court.
You seem to think courts are about "only justice" when they are more about "which party has a stronger argument".
Thats why you keep repeating "no matter what he has done in the past, he should be independently trusted".
I am surprised you can even argue this, considering you seem an educated person.
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Drinking alcohol justifies the racial abuse he was subjected to?
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Besides Vaughan, everyone else has admitted/apologised
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Rafiq is a fraud. A scam-artist.
He does not deserve to have a platform to raise his voice against racism. This case should be closed and he should be forced to publicly apologize to Vaughan, Ballance, Lloyd and everyone else that he has maligned with his lies and fabricated stories.
He does not deserve to have a platform to raise his voice against racism. This case should be closed and he should be forced to publicly apologize to Vaughan, Ballance, Lloyd and everyone else that he has maligned with his lies and fabricated stories.
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Pretty evident that Azeem Rafiq is a total fraud who is in it for the money more than any principled high ground. He IS the problem himself along with the club. i will not be surprised if history about comments from him about black people and women come out soon
read his whole case plz.....
he himself said that he was forced in to drinking alcohol to fit in with these players who were otherwise racists.
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A person cannot take a moral high ground of being a victim of hate while spewing hate on their own accord.
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he should give his money to Jewish charities
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Am I missing something or did Ballance and Lloyd not admit to and apologise for what Azeem said they'd done? Did 2 separate players not both corroborate Azeem's claim about Vaughan? Why would they admit to/back up his fabricated lies?
This just proves Azeem is somewhat of a hypocrite. Doesn't really change what the perpetrators have already confessed to doing...
Apparently still used quite often by people holding public office unfortunately.
https://www.jta.org/2019/09/25/culture/what-does-jew-down-mean-and-why-do-people-find-it-offensive
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It's natural that everyone is racist in different settings. No one can take a higher ground.
If Azeem repents this and wants others to forgive him, then also accept others apology and just move on
If Azeem repents this and wants others to forgive him, then also accept others apology and just move on
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So this anti-Semitic clown was crying about racism? Good thing this bigot has been exposed for the hypocrite he is. I still condemn the treatment he recieved, but he lost all sympathy from me.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Azeem Rafiq is guilty of the worst double standards possible. <br><br>Can we please end this attempt to destroy English cricket? <a href="https://t.co/qk3dfft5w0">https://t.co/qk3dfft5w0</a></p>— Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) <a href="https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1461384753429590019?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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On Azeem’s anti-Semitic comments - the sinner can still be sinned against. That he made these comments does not validate the racism uttered against him. All racism must be stamped out, and Azeem should be respected for having courage enough to blow the whistle.
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Yes Farage, the beacon of morality for Britain.
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Once again you are siding with the institutional racism.
Why is this?
Do you feel that if someone draws attention to racism, you will be persecuted in a backlash from the power structure?
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Well said Robert. It seems this forum is full of ignorant fools who's life experience is limited to college and school. And don't get me started on our resident troll who sole purpose is to destroy every topical discussion.
Azeem is a flawed character..we know this. But the systemic racism he and others faced is not at all diminished by his own stupidity. It actually shines a further light on the racism within British society. That somebody who made racist remarks can himself be a victim of systemic racism is in itself important.
Just because he made horribke remarks does not absolve Yorkshire from institutional racism. Also his career is done. He lost his career and his baby. That is punishment enough and then some. The heartless cruelty in the comments above tells me we have a society that is selfish cruel and despicable.
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