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‘Ashamed’ Azeem Rafiq apologises after anti-Semitic messages emerge, now facing ECB probe

Once again you are siding with the institutional racism.

Why is this?

Do you feel that if someone draws attention to racism, you will be persecuted in a backlash from the power structure?

He's a cruel troll. His purpose is to destroy the civilised discourse on this forum. He has positioned himself as a contrarian to gain acceptance but he isn't even a Pakistani. Ignore him. One does not feed the vile. You ignore it and watch it starve. Eventually it leaves.
 
It is laughable really.

It is like someone stole a packet of crisps from a shop ten years ago, and high fived his mate who did the same about 5 years ago and then the lackeys make equivocations between that and widespread corruption and fraud.

There is of course no equivalence. Anyone can see that.

Don't be surprised Robert....throughout history whenever there has been a power dynamic that has involved systemic injustice, there have been lackeys taking the side of the oppressor. Always.
 
Once again you are siding with the institutional racism.

Why is this?

Do you feel that if someone draws attention to racism, you will be persecuted in a backlash from the power structure?

Bravo

I’ve always maintained that Rafiq being a good or bad person or being a good or bad cricketer is irrelevant.

There has been institutionalised racism and that is a fact and confirmed by the guilty organisation and by some of the offenders themselves.

It is far for ideal that Rafiq has now been caught out with inappropriate racial messages - it is wrong. He has done the best response which is put his hands up.

I don’t see how any of this changes the fact the word p*ki was used loosely in YCCC and seen as acceptable along with other racial slurs.

On another note, I’m very impressed with the Jewish organisation that has come out and accepted Rafiq’s apology and supports the fact that he remains a victim too - that is classy by them and many community groups can learn from such a stance
 
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I have known many anti semitic Pakistanis, they don't even know any Jewish people but they have this bigoted hatred for them because that's what they've been trained to do, these type of people do not represent British Asian and our struggle for our rights. You are the problem.

We cannot move forward with hypocrites leading the way.
 
It should be duly noted that Azeem’s anti-Semitic comments were made while he was playing at Yorkshire, meaning he too was complicit in institutional racism.
 
It should be duly noted that Azeem’s anti-Semitic comments were made while he was playing at Yorkshire, meaning he too was complicit in institutional racism.

How do you work that out? Did Yorkshire operate an undisclosed anti-semitic policy?
 
It is laughable really.

It is like someone stole a packet of crisps from a shop ten years ago, and high fived his mate who did the same about 5 years ago and then the lackeys make equivocations between that and widespread corruption and fraud.

There is of course no equivalence. Anyone can see that.

Don't be surprised Robert....throughout history whenever there has been a power dynamic that has involved systemic injustice, there have been lackeys taking the side of the oppressor. Always.

Like plantation house slaves who benefited from being under the master’s roof, and feared a field slave uprising because they would lose their little privilege. That the uprising might free them, making their lives far better, is not considered.
 
Once again you are siding with the institutional racism.

Why is this?

Do you feel that if someone draws attention to racism, you will be persecuted in a backlash from the power structure?

Apparently because he has relatives in the UK, he understands racism issues in the UK better than those who are actually living here.
 
On Azeem’s anti-Semitic comments - the sinner can still be sinned against. That he made these comments does not validate the racism uttered against him. All racism must be stamped out, and Azeem should be respected for having courage enough to blow the whistle.

Yep. We don't have to respect him as a person in general, but he's been fighting a very public fight for a long time now, and it takes courage to take on the establishment. Neither has he tried to deny liability for his anti-semitic remarks, he's owned them and apologised profusely. I wish people like Vaughan had done the same instead of playing a dead bat.
 
Like plantation house slaves who benefited from being under the master’s roof, and feared a field slave uprising because they would lose their little privilege. That the uprising might free them, making their lives far better, is not considered.

Yes exactly.

What the lackeys underestimate is our resolve. We will never stop fighting for justice.
 
Once again you are siding with the institutional racism.

Why is this?

Do you feel that if someone draws attention to racism, you will be persecuted in a backlash from the power structure?

Evidence suggests that Rafiq himself was the biggest racist at Yorkshire. Now that he has lost his career because of his own mediocrity and is probably cash-strapped, he has decide to wage this crusade against the so-called systematic racism in English cricket.

He is a fraud. A conman. He has no credibility. Period.

This is perhaps the primary reason why these anti-racism / discrimination movements fail; the ones who make the most noise are the hypocrites who are in for the spotlight and the money.

Should institutional racism be tackled? Certainly, but frauds like him do not deserve to have the platform to lead the charge. He needs to be shut down and casted aside, and have a genuine person with real morals take the mic.

There is no reason for anybody to rally behind Rafiq because he is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.

Besides, anyone who thinks his apology is genuine is naive beyond belief. This is nothing but damage control because his pants were taken off in public and he did not expect this to be publicly revealed at this point.

These are crocodile tears to save face. He has not changed at all - he is still the same despicable human being that he has always been.

If Rafiq was genuine and if he had changed as a person and no longer held bigoted views, he would not be sitting on this; he would not be trying to hide his past from the public.

In fact, he would have proactively highlighted his past and would have revealed all of this on his own to try and become an inspiration for how a person can change and evolve with time.

He could have made himself an example - he could have said that look, I was a bigot in the past. I had discriminatory views but I have learned to think better and I have changed, and so can the other people at Yorkshire who have exhibited racism against Asian cricketers.

But no, he was hiding his past because he is not a changed man. He was attempting to fool the public and pull wool over their eyes and now that his past is revealed, he has nowhere to hide and his only option is to offer an apology just so that he can rescue the sinking ship.

He is an embarrassment to the Asian community in the UK and he has embarrassed everyone who supported him and believed him.
 
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Evidence suggests that Rafiq himself was the biggest racist at Yorkshire. Now that he has lost his career because of his own mediocrity and is probably cash-strapped, he has decide to wage this crusade against the so-called systematic racism in English cricket.

He is a fraud. A conman. He has no credibility. Period.

This is perhaps the primary reason why these anti-racism / discrimination movements fail; the ones who make the most noise are the hypocrites who are in for the spotlight and the money.

Should institutional racism be tackled? Certainly, but frauds like him do not deserve to have the platform to lead the charge. He needs to be shut down and casted aside, and have a genuine person with real morals take the mic.

There is no reason for anybody to rally behind Rafiq because he is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.

Besides, anyone who thinks his apology is genuine is naive beyond belief. This is nothing but damage control because his pants were taken off in public and he did not expect this to be publicly revealed at this point.

These are crocodile tears to save face. He has not changed at all - he is still the same despicable human being that he has always been.

If Rafiq was genuine and if he had changed as a person and no longer held bigoted views, he would not be sitting on this; he would not be trying to hide his past from the public.

In fact, he would have proactively highlighted his past and would have revealed all of this on his own to try and become an inspiration for how a person can change and evolve with time.

He could have made himself an example - he could have said that look, I was a bigot in the past. I had discriminatory views but I have learned to think better and I have changed, and so can the other people at Yorkshire who have exhibited racism against Asian cricketers.

But no, he was hiding his past because he is not a changed man. He was attempting to fool the public and pull wool over their eyes and now that his past is revealed, he has nowhere to hide and his only option is to offer an apology just so that he can rescue the sinking ship.

He is an embarrassment to the Asian community in the UK and he has embarrassed everyone who supported him and believed him.

Simple question.

Was what he said true or false.

It doesnt matter who says it. Question is if what he said is correct or not.

If correct and actions are taken to fix this malaise, he benefits thousands of others.
 
Simple question.

Was what he said true or false.

It doesnt matter who says it. Question is if what he said is correct or not.

If correct and actions are taken to fix this malaise, he benefits thousands of others.

He is fixated on the messenger and not the message which tells you all you need to know about him
 
He could have made himself an example - he could have said that look, I was a bigot in the past. I had discriminatory views but I have learned to think better and I have changed, and so can the other people at Yorkshire who have exhibited racism against Asian cricketers.
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But no, he was hiding his past because he is not a changed man. He was attempting to fool the public and pull wool over their eyes and now that his past is revealed, he has nowhere to hide and his only option is to offer an apology just so that he can rescue the sinking ship.

He is an embarrassment to the Asian community in the UK and he has embarrassed everyone who supported him and believed him.

That doesn't really add up if probed with even a little bit of sincerity. If he wanted to hide his own racism, wouldn't he have just deleted his comment? It's clear that he had forgotten about it - it was 10 years ago - otherwise he wouldn't have made such a fuss about his own treatment.

Anyway, regardless of our opinion, it is all just speculation. The facts are that he acknowledged it immediately and apologised. He's not making excuses for racism including his own. Many on this site could learn from it, including you.
 
Simple question.

Was what he said true or false.

It doesnt matter who says it. Question is if what he said is correct or not.

If correct and actions are taken to fix this malaise, he benefits thousands of others.

I disagree. It does.

This is not a case of shooting the messenger. This is not a message; this is a movement, a plea for change.

Can a fraud, a conman lead a movement and does he deserve support? No he does not.

Would Martin Luther King’s movement to fight racism against blacks in America had any credibility if it turned that he was racist against Asians?

Rafiq has proved to be a racist himself. Hence, he is not qualified to wage the war against racism. He needs to step aside a let a genuine person take the mantle.

Also as I said above, I don’t buy the nonsense that he has changed. If he was a changed person, he would have proactively confronted his past and made an example out of himself to show that you can change and there is hope for a better future.

But no, he was sitting on it and hiding it until he got exposed and his tirade against racism crashed harder than his cricketing career.
 
I disagree. It does.

This is not a case of shooting the messenger. This is not a message; this is a movement, a plea for change.

Can a fraud, a conman lead a movement and does he deserve support? No he does not.

Would Martin Luther King’s movement to fight racism against blacks in America had any credibility if it turned that he was racist against Asians?

Rafiq has proved to be a racist himself. Hence, he is not qualified to wage the war against racism. He needs to step aside a let a genuine person take the mantle.

Also as I said above, I don’t buy the nonsense that he has changed. If he was a changed person, he would have proactively confronted his past and made an example out of himself to show that you can change and there is hope for a better future.

But no, he was sitting on it and hiding it until he got exposed and his tirade against racism crashed harder than his cricketing career.

If someone you dont like tells you that your house is on fire and you can see the smoke - do you say - nah, yeh fraud hai and carry on ...
 
If someone you dont like tells you that your house is on fire and you can see the smoke - do you say - nah, yeh fraud hai and carry on ...

Well if he is the one who set the house on fire in the first place, I would first make sure that I throw him in the fire before I call the firefighters.
 
That doesn't really add up if probed with even a little bit of sincerity. If he wanted to hide his own racism, wouldn't he have just deleted his comment? It's clear that he had forgotten about it - it was 10 years ago - otherwise he wouldn't have made such a fuss about his own treatment.

Anyway, regardless of our opinion, it is all just speculation. The facts are that he acknowledged it immediately and apologised. He's not making excuses for racism including his own. Many on this site could learn from it, including you.

Cpt, this is not about the one text. This is about what he believed in.

That text was not an isolated incident. The text happened because he had racist views.

He may have forgotten about this particular text, but did he also forget that he held racist views himself? Clearly not, it is not possible.

If he was genuine, he would have confronted his own past and would have been open about the views that he he held not long ago. He would have presented himself as an example of change and his stance today would have gained more respect.

However, since he decided to sit on it and hide it from the public, he has been exposed as a hypocrite and fraud.
 
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He is fixated on the messenger and not the message which tells you all you need to know about him

I find it quite fascinating that some of the most well educated posters from India and Pakistan find justification for racism. You can see why skin lightening cream is such a big industry.
 
Cpt, this is not about the one text. This is about what he believed in.

That text was not an isolated incident. The text happened because he had racist views.

He may have forgotten about this particular text, but did he also forget that he held racist views himself? Clearly not, it is not possible.

If he was genuine, he would have confronted his own past and would have been open about the views that he he held not long ago. He would have viewed himself as an example of change and his stance today would have gained more respect.

However, since he decided to sit on it and hide it from the public, he has been exposed as a hypocrite and fraud.

He has admitted he held racist views back then, and claims he is now a different person from back then. He may be, or maybe not. It all just becomes a matter of opinion, all you can really do is judge the words. That is how things work in the west anyway, and our progress down the centuries is partly due to that outlook.
 
The great irony here is that not Rafiq held racist views in the past; the great irony is that he presented himself as a self-righteous individual and adopted a moral high ground when it comes to racism and discrimination.

Based on his comments and statements over the past year or so or since whenever he has been crying and moaning about racism at Yorkshire, you would have never guessed that he was racist himself.

This sudden revelation has also put his cult-followers in an awkward position. They never considered that Rafiq himself is racist, and thus they are now clutching at straws because they do not have the courage to admit that they put their faith in a false messiah.
 
Well if he is the one who set the house on fire in the first place, I would first make sure that I throw him in the fire before I call the firefighters.

You know you are not making sense and just expressing your personal dislike for an Asian in UK

With that I end my interaction with you on this topic as clearly you have issues.
 
He has admitted he held racist views back then, and claims he is now a different person from back then. He may be, or maybe not. It all just becomes a matter of opinion, all you can really do is judge the words. That is how things work in the west anyway, and our progress down the centuries is partly due to that outlook.

He admitted because he got exposed. If he was truly a changed man, he would not have been afraid of his past.

He would have confronted his past proactively and with courage, and he would have put everything out in the public without waiting to get exposed. He would have used himself as an example, shown the way for other racists and earned respect.

Instead, he decides to whitewash his past, got caught and then had no choice but to offer meek, generic apologies because he was backed in a corner.
 
The most genuinely apology comes at a time when you are not in duress and you are not backed in a corner. Everyone would apologize when you put a gun to their head.

The real, sincere apology comes from a position of power and authority. It comes at a time when you are under no pressure to apologize but you still do so because you genuinely believe that you were wrong and hope to change in the future.
 
Well if he is the one who set the house on fire in the first place, I would first make sure that I throw him in the fire before I call the firefighters.

Azeem Rafiq causes Moeen Ali to be racially abused?

Or Asher Zaidi to be abused by Craig Overton?
 
Besides, a racist person deserves to a taste of his own medicine. You reap what you sow, it is *** for tat.

Now that it has been revealed that Rafiq is a racist himself, there is no reason to feel sorry for him. If he was racially abused then he deserved it because he is also a racist.
 
The great irony here is that not Rafiq held racist views in the past; the great irony is that he presented himself as a self-righteous individual and adopted a moral high ground when it comes to racism and discrimination.

Based on his comments and statements over the past year or so or since whenever he has been crying and moaning about racism at Yorkshire, you would have never guessed that he was racist himself.

This sudden revelation has also put his cult-followers in an awkward position. They never considered that Rafiq himself is racist, and thus they are now clutching at straws because they do not have the courage to admit that they put their faith in a false messiah.

I am quoting this post only to highlight how hateful and narcissistic people can be!

People have already pointed out, many times, that Azeem had already admitted to being immature and that he had done things in his past that he regretted... this was before any text was released to the public.

But facts are ignored and personal insults continue to be hurled not only at the messenger but to those who defend the message.

It's a sad indictment on this poster and others like him.
 
I am quoting this post only to highlight how hateful and narcissistic people can be!

People have already pointed out, many times, that Azeem had already admitted to being immature and that he had done things in his past that he regretted... this was before any text was released to the public.

But facts are ignored and personal insults continue to be hurled not only at the messenger but to those who defend the message.

It's a sad indictment on this poster and others like him.

There is a big difference between conceding that you were immature in the past and conceding that you did some wrong stuff and conceding that you held racist, discriminatory views.

What Rafiq was referring to was the incident of him abusing the U19 coach in 2010 and pictures of him drinking alcohol, because both were already public knowledge.

However, he continued to hide the fact that he was racist himself and personally guilty of what he is accusing others. He never played this angle.

This shows that he has no genuine remorse over his racist views. He was hoping that he doesn’t get exposed but he got what he deserved.
 
I am quoting this post only to highlight how hateful and narcissistic people can be!

People have already pointed out, many times, that Azeem had already admitted to being immature and that he had done things in his past that he regretted... this was before any text was released to the public.

But facts are ignored and personal insults continue to be hurled not only at the messenger but to those who defend the message.

It's a sad indictment on this poster and others like him.


I actually agree with Mamoon on this one. He does not represent British Asians, he represents a sub class of British Pakistanis who are just as abusive and racist. They will abuse their own for not being Muslim enough or not being "traditional" enough. We already have someone on this thread calling people who don't look like Moeen and Adil as "sell outs", selling out of what exactly?

We have a community of people in this country who identify as British and want their rights but it keeps getting hijacked by opportunists and supported by people who struggle to tolerate British society.
 
I think the issue causing disagreement on this board is that some people understand and grasp social change and some people don’t, thinking we are not affected so others cannot be. It is about a lack of empathy.

I don’t necessarily think that whilst alive, George Floyd was a great role model but his death seen by millions was wrong and indicative of an approach that could only be explained as institutional racism.

Rafiq is no leader and should not be viewed as a leader in the mould of Martin Luther King etc.

Quite clearly Rafiq was in a toxic environment at YCCC - this cannot be denied. Now the real leaders are parliament, YCCC board, ECB board, PCA etc who are all keen on change as YCCC were dismissive at best of racism.

Was George Floyd a violent man - yes. Was he a drug user - yes but was his death avoidable - yes.

Rafiq being exposed as a racist is embarrassing but I’ll also be the first admit that I have used racist banter like he has so I should change too.

Social change my friends is learning from this saga and having empathy.

None of us want our children to join a cricket club, bank or other organisation and want our children in an environment where racial banter is acceptable. If you don’t think this is right then you’ve set out your stall and shown your lack of interest in change.
 
I actually agree with Mamoon on this one. He does not represent British Asians, he represents a sub class of British Pakistanis who are just as abusive and racist. They will abuse their own for not being Muslim enough or not being "traditional" enough. We already have someone on this thread calling people who don't look like Moeen and Adil as "sell outs", selling out of what exactly?

We have a community of people in this country who identify as British and want their rights but it keeps getting hijacked by opportunists and supported by people who struggle to tolerate British society.

But you can't say this without actually knowing the person.

It's all hyperbole.

All we can go by is what he has said in public.
But at the end of the day it's really more about the message snd the message is an important one.

The fact that all the heads of county cricket along with the ECB are looked in a room at Lords discussing institutional racism as we type means that the message has got a across to them. For this alone we should be thankful.

No one is putting Azeem on a pedastool for righteous behaviour and the irony is that his own "racial" texts should be warning to those of Asian people that racism, against any people of colour or religious background, is unacceptable.
 
How do you work that out? Did Yorkshire operate an undisclosed anti-semitic policy?

Yorkshire - like other county cricket clubs and organizations in the UK - have obviously always had an anti-discrimination policy. Such a policy would state that there are repercussions against being abusive against all ethnic, religious and societal groups (yes - including Jews, much to your discomfort).

Whether it was implemented properly or not is another debate.
 
I have known many anti semitic Pakistanis, they don't even know any Jewish people but they have this bigoted hatred for them because that's what they've been trained to do, these type of people do not represent British Asian and our struggle for our rights. You are the problem.

We cannot move forward with hypocrites leading the way.

Even the Arabs have begun to see past this and establish friendly relations for a healthier future together, but the people you speak of have a special kind of "convert's zeal" and want to be more loyal than the king.

Only 0.43% of people in the UK are Jews, so I really wonder how many Azeem Rafiq even met before typing stuff Hitler would hit the like button on.
 
Even the Arabs have begun to see past this and establish friendly relations for a healthier future together, but the people you speak of have a special kind of "convert's zeal" and want to be more loyal than the king.

Only 0.43% of people in the UK are Jews, so I really wonder how many Azeem Rafiq even met before typing stuff Hitler would hit the like button on.


Its just social conditioning. They learn this from their parents. A family friend use to come over and all he would talk about is about Jewish people, it made me feel sick because we had a family friend who is Jewish.

These types also are aggressive and abusive towards their own, I do not see them as Brit Pakistanis, they are more Indo-Islamic.

Jinnah liked to have a drink and a cigar and he is the father of Pakistani identity, these types have a hatred for their own ideological father. Confused people.
 
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Do we have any experts of culture, anthropology here? How tolerant are the Jewish community to jokes made about being tight-fisted? Do they take serious offence to it or do they enjoy it as banter?

I know the Pakistani community love to do the same about the ‘sheikh cast’.
 
Yorkshire - like other county cricket clubs and organizations in the UK - have obviously always had an anti-discrimination policy. Such a policy would state that there are repercussions against being abusive against all ethnic, religious and societal groups (yes - including Jews, much to your discomfort).

Whether it was implemented properly or not is another debate.

I don't have anything against Jews so no idea where you are getting that from. It's you who is always posting up threads in TP about Israel and Palestine, for your own purposes no doubt.

Other than that I don't really understand your wider point. Did you read the post I was replying to in that quote? Your mate Technics was claiming Rafeeq was complicit with institutional racism. That would suggest he was in cahoots with Yorkshire in operation of an inclandestine discriminatory policy agains Jews. Is that your premise?
 
Pretty much. Don’t see the point of what he did? It exposed him as a racist too

More and more exposes will come as players cash in or try to protect themselves.

What until a tweet/Messages from Azeem is found about Indians or Black players ( beyond the one shared yesterday).


It's imminent. There is lots more to come.
 
Do we have any experts of culture, anthropology here? How tolerant are the Jewish community to jokes made about being tight-fisted? Do they take serious offence to it or do they enjoy it as banter?

I know the Pakistani community love to do the same about the ‘sheikh cast’.

Some of my closest friends are Jewish.
Some of them crack jokes about it amongst themselves all the time. The less of Gordon ones joke about the orthodox one and of course a lot of it around penny pinching.

Jewish comedians themselves make fun about it and comedy shows also use this aspect.
Take friends for example. Ross would take a sprained ankle for a quarter.

On the other side, you had shows like Goodness Gracious Me that poked fun on themselves.

I tend not to make such jokes now although i have to admit such jokes were made during the my school days.
 
There seems to be a misconception in this thread by Indians and some confused Pakistanis that this type of anti semitic language is because Azeem is Pakistani or Muslim.

The fact is that the trope of miserly Jews has been a part of British culture for a long time. It is a historically western stereotype that has is thankfully not that common anymore.

Trying to link it is to his muslim identity shows how cluless some people are.
 
Some of my closest friends are Jewish.
Some of them crack jokes about it amongst themselves all the time. The less of Gordon ones joke about the orthodox one and of course a lot of it around penny pinching.

Jewish comedians themselves make fun about it and comedy shows also use this aspect.
Take friends for example. Ross would take a sprained ankle for a quarter.

On the other side, you had shows like Goodness Gracious Me that poked fun on themselves.

I tend not to make such jokes now although i have to admit such jokes were made during the my school days.

Appreciate this. I’m slightly apprehensive to make my views known on this particular subject too. What you have mentioned is 100% accurate and I’m sure you would know this because I believe you are based in North London, so you must have come across many members of the Jewish community in your lifetime.

I always had the impression that the community is very chilled out to jokes about being tight fisted as long as they are not used aggressively to hurt sentiments. I sincerely hope I am not wrong and I apologise in advance if this is incorrect.

I’m not defending what Rafiq has done here, but I think it might require a bit more context, just like Ballance has provided context as to why he would use the P word with Rafiq.
 
Evidence suggests that Rafiq himself was the biggest racist at Yorkshire. Now that he has lost his career because of his own mediocrity and is probably cash-strapped, he has decide to wage this crusade against the so-called systematic racism in English cricket.

He is a fraud. A conman. He has no credibility. Period.

This is perhaps the primary reason why these anti-racism / discrimination movements fail; the ones who make the most noise are the hypocrites who are in for the spotlight and the money.

Should institutional racism be tackled? Certainly, but frauds like him do not deserve to have the platform to lead the charge. He needs to be shut down and casted aside, and have a genuine person with real morals take the mic.

There is no reason for anybody to rally behind Rafiq because he is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.

Besides, anyone who thinks his apology is genuine is naive beyond belief. This is nothing but damage control because his pants were taken off in public and he did not expect this to be publicly revealed at this point.

These are crocodile tears to save face. He has not changed at all - he is still the same despicable human being that he has always been.

If Rafiq was genuine and if he had changed as a person and no longer held bigoted views, he would not be sitting on this; he would not be trying to hide his past from the public.

In fact, he would have proactively highlighted his past and would have revealed all of this on his own to try and become an inspiration for how a person can change and evolve with time.

He could have made himself an example - he could have said that look, I was a bigot in the past. I had discriminatory views but I have learned to think better and I have changed, and so can the other people at Yorkshire who have exhibited racism against Asian cricketers.

But no, he was hiding his past because he is not a changed man. He was attempting to fool the public and pull wool over their eyes and now that his past is revealed, he has nowhere to hide and his only option is to offer an apology just so that he can rescue the sinking ship.

He is an embarrassment to the Asian community in the UK and he has embarrassed everyone who supported him and believed him.

You have started a "vilification" campaign against Azeems character based on his past.

How can you cast aspersions on someones character without even personally knowing him?

I agree. Someone who has been racist in the past is a poor candidate to cry wolf.

But how does that equate him to "being an embarassment", " face saving" , "crocodile tears" and fake person".

You made illogical correlations about his character based on his past history and concluded everything without even meeting the guy.

You judged his entire life on a Pakpassion thread.

Frankly speaking, how are you any better than him?
 
So in essence, if Jews mock each other with anti-semitism it’s ok; they are having a laugh. If asians hurl racist language at each other it’s ok, they are having a laugh. If blacks refer to each other using the N-word, it’s ok. If comedy shows poke fun at themselves it’s ok, it’s all for giggles, but if the white man pokes the same ‘fun’, ‘jokes’, ‘slurs’ - it’s racist.

This is hypocrisy of the highest order and the crux of the problem.
 
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So in essence, if Jews mock each other with anti-semitism it’s ok; they are having a laugh. If asians hurl racist language at each other it’s ok, they are having a laugh. If blacks refer to each other using the N-word, it’s ok. If comedy shows poke fun at themselves it’s ok, it’s all for giggles, but if the white man pokes the same ‘fun’, ‘jokes’, ‘slurs’ - it’s racist.

This is hypocrisy of the highest order and the crux of the problem.

Not really.

Azeem is getting rightfully dragged for bashing jews and he isnt white.
 
Not really.

Azeem is getting rightfully dragged for bashing jews and he isnt white.

The point is when a race makes jokes about their race among themselves it’s not deemed racist and excused as a laugh or what not, yet when an outsider race makes the same jokes it’s racist.

Perhaps people should follow the old adage to treat people with the same respect you expect from all others.
 
It should be duly noted that Azeem’s anti-Semitic comments were made while he was playing at Yorkshire, meaning he too was complicit in institutional racism.

Institutional racism is the club knowing it goes on and not stopping it.
 
Institutional racism is the club knowing it goes on and not stopping it.

Yes I know, and Azeem was part of this known racism within players and was exposed yesterday, the same way Ballance is part of the institutional racism at YCCC.
 
Appreciate this. I’m slightly apprehensive to make my views known on this particular subject too. What you have mentioned is 100% accurate and I’m sure you would know this because I believe you are based in North London, so you must have come across many members of the Jewish community in your lifetime.

I always had the impression that the community is very chilled out to jokes about being tight fisted as long as they are not used aggressively to hurt sentiments. I sincerely hope I am not wrong and I apologise in advance if this is incorrect.

I’m not defending what Rafiq has done here, but I think it might require a bit more context, just like Ballance has provided context as to why he would use the P word with Rafiq.

It happens.
Everyone makes fun of someone within their own community but that doesn't mean someone from outside can poke fun.
The days when that occurred and was socially acceptable are long gone and rightly so.

But you asked a question and I answered using my own experiences.

However, there is a difference between someone from Karachi making a joke against a Pakistani from Punjab and vice versa and someone being excluded due to their background.

Azeem is no saint and frankly what doesn't matter what his intentions were, the fact that the message has got across really should be the only thing that matters.

People should not make racist remarks against each other, no matter what their background even in jest and people should not be excluded from work due to the colour of their skin.
 
It happens.
Everyone makes fun of someone within their own community but that doesn't mean someone from outside can poke fun.
The days when that occurred and was socially acceptable are long gone and rightly so.

It's a simple distinction, those of us who are British have been through this argument a decade ago and moved past it. Those who are still banging on about it today, are probably based in India or Pakistan, where they are still way behind, and to be fair, less exposed to multicultural life.That is why they sound similar to the white racists from 10-15 years ago in Britain.

Of course some of them also have a well earned reputation of trolling, so there is that aspect as well.
 
Azeem Rafiq is a fraud. He is an opportunist who took advantage of the increasing tense race relations following the George Floyd incident. He knew that he can play the race and victim card and people will believe him, without hearing the other side of the story.

The reality is that Azeem Rafiq is a racist & bigot himself. Yes, he may have been a victim of racism but he himself was one big racist. And I for one am so glad that he is getting exposed. I wonder if all the people who were saying that Vaughan, Ballance, Lloyd need to get cancelled, I wonder if they say that same thing about ‘saint’ Azeem Rafiq, in the light of his anti Semitic and anti African posts getting leaked.

People who think that Azeem Rafiq is some messiah for speaking out against racism are naive. He isn’t speaking out against supposed racism to better the lives of future Asian cricketers. He is speaking out and playing the victim card, because he is after fame, clouth and money.
 
It's a simple distinction, those of us who are British have been through this argument a decade ago and moved past it. Those who are still banging on about it today, are probably based in India or Pakistan, where they are still way behind, and to be fair, less exposed to multicultural life.That is why they sound similar to the white racists from 10-15 years ago in Britain.

Of course some of them also have a well earned reputation of trolling, so there is that aspect as well.

This!

If you haven't lived in western world, when I say live, it mean, growing up in the system of the west then you have no clue about racism.

At times you have to ignore the racist and same needs to be done with Pakistani trolls sitting in Pakistan ;)
 
It happens.
Everyone makes fun of someone within their own community but that doesn't mean someone from outside can poke fun.
The days when that occurred and was socially acceptable are long gone and rightly so.

But you asked a question and I answered using my own experiences.

However, there is a difference between someone from Karachi making a joke against a Pakistani from Punjab and vice versa and someone being excluded due to their background.

Azeem is no saint and frankly what doesn't matter what his intentions were, the fact that the message has got across really should be the only thing that matters.

People should not make racist remarks against each other, no matter what their background even in jest and people should not be excluded from work due to the colour of their skin.

Freedom of speech.. making fun of stereotypes is common among friends that will never change.. people need to grow thicker skin.. too many people nowadays are coddled and grow up with a gold spoon in their mouth..

The world is not a good or bad place, its not black and white..

If you cant handle a couple words, and cant stand up for yourself go home and stay home.

The world is not made for the mentally weak..
 
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Azeem Rafiq is a fraud. He is an opportunist who took advantage of the increasing tense race relations following the George Floyd incident. He knew that he can play the race and victim card and people will believe him, without hearing the other side of the story.

The reality is that Azeem Rafiq is a racist & bigot himself. Yes, he may have been a victim of racism but he himself was one big racist. And I for one am so glad that he is getting exposed. I wonder if all the people who were saying that Vaughan, Ballance, Lloyd need to get cancelled, I wonder if they say that same thing about ‘saint’ Azeem Rafiq, in the light of his anti Semitic and anti African posts getting leaked.

People who think that Azeem Rafiq is some messiah for speaking out against racism are naive. He isn’t speaking out against supposed racism to better the lives of future Asian cricketers. He is speaking out and playing the victim card, because he is after fame, clouth and money.

People like yourself arguing this point missing the greater point, racism in any form is affecting everyone.

This is what I read, he accused someone of being racist, those were being racist, apologize. The accuser had past of being racist, he apologize, now lesson should be how to curb racism from all of the profession.

But we get this, he was being racist, the hell with him, I am happy he was caught...What?
 
Azeem Rafiq is a fraud. He is an opportunist who took advantage of the increasing tense race relations following the George Floyd incident. He knew that he can play the race and victim card and people will believe him, without hearing the other side of the story.

The reality is that Azeem Rafiq is a racist & bigot himself. Yes, he may have been a victim of racism but he himself was one big racist. And I for one am so glad that he is getting exposed. I wonder if all the people who were saying that Vaughan, Ballance, Lloyd need to get cancelled, I wonder if they say that same thing about ‘saint’ Azeem Rafiq, in the light of his anti Semitic and anti African posts getting leaked.

People who think that Azeem Rafiq is some messiah for speaking out against racism are naive. He isn’t speaking out against supposed racism to better the lives of future Asian cricketers. He is speaking out and playing the victim card, because he is after fame, clouth and money.

You can look at him how you want but this is positive because now the higher ups will try to do something about racism which is deep rooted from the club scene in England, others have also come out to share their experiences, it has been around for a while and hopefully in the future individuals are more careful with their behaviour. There’s a bigger picture here but folk are too obsessed with Azeem, especially foreign scroungers with an inferior complex and as one of the posters above said, those with their knickers in a twist from the UK deserved to be called Uncle Tom.
 
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Freedom of speech.. making fun of stereotypes is common among friends that will never change.. people need to grow thicker skin.. too many people nowadays are coddled and grow up with a gold spoon in their mouth..

The world is not a good or bad place, its not black and white..

If you cant handle a couple words, and cant stand up for yourself go home and stay home.

The world is not made for the mentally weak..

The world has already changed, you are still stuck in the past, if you are still living in the subcontinent then you have some excuse to be fair. If you are living in a western country then time to wake up and realise it's no longer 1994.

There is not likely to be any going back, just like the US isn't likely to go back to segregation of blacks and whites no matter how many people argued against racial integrations back in the '50s.
 
Azeem Rafiq has said he doesn’t expect to secure the forgiveness of British Jews “quickly” but vowed to do all he could to educate himself and others about antisemitism.

In his first interview since revelations emerged about hateful comments he’d made on social media a decade ago, he told Jewish News he’d had little contact with Jews as a youngster and promised to now use his platform to try to be a bridge between Jews and Muslims.

Following harrowing testimony in Parliament this week, the former spin-bowler, who says racism robbed him of his career, was revealed to have used derogatory comments about Jews on a Facebook post in 2011.

The Board of Deputies and Community Security Trust welcomed a total apology from Rafiq, in which he said he was “deeply ashamed” of his comments, and it is understood he is meeting with both the CST and the government’s antisemitism envoy, Lord John Mann.

Speaking to Jewish News, he reveals a lack of contact with the Jewish community may be the root of his racist comments, saying he doesn’t recall having a Jewish team mate and hadn’t “integrated” with Jewish people.

Saying he “felt sick to my stomach” and “very angry with myself” over the revelations, Rafiq said it was “completely up to the community” on whether to forgive him.

“I just hope that they can see that I am genuinely sorry. And about the comments. And the hurt that it caused.”

He echoed comments made on Tuesday during a hearing of the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee, saying “ I’ve always said that if you apologise, you should get a second chance. But obviously, I think in all cases it is for the victims to decide that.

“I don’t think I’m in any position to be asking the Jewish community on how they feel. All I can do is do my best, to show them that I am sorry. And time to understand and learn and educate myself to make sure that I’m improving myself.”

When asked whether he thought anything might come up about his past ahead of the committee, he said “Not at all. I was made aware of it yesterday morning. And, to be honest, it brings the cause right to the forefront. It just shows how far we’ve got to go”.

Following the revelation of Rafiq’s comments, Dave Rich of CST said on Twitter they were “ really bad, and very common” remarks.

Asked whether the remarks were widespread in the Muslim community he grew up in, Rafiq said: “I haven’t really integrated much with the Jewish community in the past. I’ve been around cricket all my life. And I don’t really recall having a team mate from the Jewish community.

“I don’t feel that i antisemitism is that common. But.. sometimes when things affect you, you remember it a lot more clearly than when it doesn’t. And clearly I was off completely out of order.

“I deserve all the flak I get from it”.

Earlier this month, former England captain Michael Vaughan categorically denied claims he used a racist term, despite corroboration from two former team mates. Asked whether some players may not remember what they have said in the past, Rafiq said: “completely, I said that. I’ve said that from the offset. And he probably doesn’t remember it. It was a long time ago, and it doesn’t affect him directly.

“All I can do is talk about myself and some the minute I was made aware, I wanted to apologise.

“I don’t expect it to be quick, but in time the Jewish community can forgive me.”

Asked whether antisemitic attitudes are widespread within parts of the Muslim community, the former cricketer said “it’s something I’m not really that aware of, if I’m being perfectly honest. I don’t really know. I don’t want to go into details that I’m not that aware of. I made a mistake. And I don’t I really want to make any excuses around that. I want to front up, apologise and hopefully spend some time with the Jewish community to learn.”

He put down a lack of knowledge down to a “lack of integration”
I’ve never spent in front of round Jewish people. I don’t think for any other reason, but the fact that all I’ve done is play cricket all my life. I I wouldn’t even say I’ve spent that much time around my own community. Because all I’ve done from a young age when we moved from Pakistan is just play cricket.”

On whether he can use this experience to change attitudes within the Muslim community, he said “I hope so. I don’t think that should be the one deciding what happens. It’s up to the Jewish community.

“I see it as an opportunity for all minorities. And I just think we could all unite together, sit on one table and actually fight for the cause that I’m fighting for. Hopefully, doesn’t derail the cause. Because whatever sort of happens to me in a personal capacity is not that important. . I said yesterday, I don’t have any mistakes I’ve made whatever happened to me on a perfect capacity is not that important. The cause is bigger. And I’m hoping that with the Jewish community on board these things change.”

Asked whether he’s concerned that his antisemitic comments might damage the cause of tackling racism, and discredit his work, he said: “ I think people discredit me. I think it could affect me. But I don’t think I don’t think it should affect the cause. Actually, if anything, I think it keeps the conversation right at the forefront of everyone’s minds.
“And if we can get together and actually get on the same table and work together, I really think we can match the cause. I think the only thing that could affected me personally.”

Reflecting on the personal impact of the incident, he said he was “just really angry at myself” adding that his antisemitic comment is “not the view that I have”.

He added that in the last 18 months, “the main thing I’ve said is how I’ve been left on my own by my own community, and that we should be using the Jewish community as an example to how they stick together.

“So it’s yeah, it’s disappointing. I’m just angry with myself.”

On Thursday, The Times revealed an exchange between Rafiq and the former Warwickshire pro Ateeq Javid, in which he says another colleague is “a Jew” because they were reluctant to spend money. In another comment Rafiq claimed he will “probs go after my 2nds again ha . . . Only Jews do that sort of ****”.

Questioned on whether he remembered the comments and his thought process at the time, Rafiq said” “I really don’t. Obviously, It got brought to my attention. I don’t recall what was happening around that time with me. But I just wanted to make sure that I don’t want anything that was happening with me.. because I don’t want any sort of excuses for what I’ve done.
It’s wrong in every way, shape, or form. I’m incredibly sorry. And I just hope that over time that people can forgive me for the the hurt that I’ve definitely caused. Especially when I’ve had so much support from the Jewish community”.

Reflecting on gaining an understanding of antisemitism, he said “Without doubt” he’d call it out if he saw it today.

“I’m gonna try and educate myself even more.”

He added that he’s “reached out to a few people” in the Jewish community “and hopefully, that’s going to happen in private, very quickly. But it’s important that they run it and they decide when, as opposed to me.

Reiterate his apology, he said he wants to appeal “not only the leaders [of the community] but with the normal man off the street”.

Following revelations about his remarks and support from the Jewish community, he said he was “grateful they see that it’s sincere, and I want to make sure I do that in person as well.

Last week Jewish News revealed Yorkshire’s coach and former captain Andrew Gale wrote a tweet using the word “Yid” in 2011.

Gale apologised and insisted he didn’t understand the term, but was suspended by the club. Other high-profile former teammates, Gary Ballance, who used the p-word, and Jack Brooks, who called Indian star Cheteshwar Pujara ‘Steve, also apologised for using racist language.

After some former colleagues said they didn’t recall using racist language, Rafiq was asked whether he remembered writing his comment. “I genuinely don’t recall it”, he said. “But that doesn’t mean anything, that is not an excuse. That that’s just me being really honest.

“I am different to others I hope, in that I’m owning, there’s no getting round it. My actions over the weeks and months coming, will will prove that that I’m really sorry for every bit of hurt.”

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/spotlight/sterling-hits-a-two-week-high/
 
Freedom of speech.. making fun of stereotypes is common among friends that will never change.. people need to grow thicker skin.. too many people nowadays are coddled and grow up with a gold spoon in their mouth..

The world is not a good or bad place, its not black and white..

If you cant handle a couple words, and cant stand up for yourself go home and stay home.

The world is not made for the mentally weak..

Yeah ok... Best I stay home then
 
Azeem Rafiq is a fraud. He is an opportunist who took advantage of the increasing tense race relations following the George Floyd incident. He knew that he can play the race and victim card and people will believe him, without hearing the other side of the story.

The reality is that Azeem Rafiq is a racist & bigot himself. Yes, he may have been a victim of racism but he himself was one big racist. And I for one am so glad that he is getting exposed. I wonder if all the people who were saying that Vaughan, Ballance, Lloyd need to get cancelled, I wonder if they say that same thing about ‘saint’ Azeem Rafiq, in the light of his anti Semitic and anti African posts getting leaked.

People who think that Azeem Rafiq is some messiah for speaking out against racism are naive. He isn’t speaking out against supposed racism to better the lives of future Asian cricketers. He is speaking out and playing the victim card, because he is after fame, clouth and money.

I see you're based in London. Why don't you try venturing out of your multicultural bubble where 50% of the population don't even speak English. Try life in a council estate in Toxteth Liverpool and then tell us about playing the victim card.
 
It's pretty clear that the hardcore defenders of Azeem will not call him out for being a racist after his messages were exposed because he was a victim of racism at the YCCC where he had 2 stints resulting in a 10 year career.

His defenders are clearly justifying and sugarcoating his actions by either playing the victim card or by claiming Jews joke about the same thing among themselves.

These same defenders shouted 'racist' when Olly Robinson's tweets were exposed when he was 18.

If any other sportsman was exposed with such messages then no doubt chants of 'racist' would be heard on Mars.

What Azeem did isn't anything new - calling out racism at YCCC . The news that racism exists at YCCC isn't earth shattering or breaking news; anyone born in the UK pre 80s will know this.

The only difference now is we live in the internet age where everyone has a digital footprint, and we live in a compensation culture. The greater the media attention, the greater the payout.

You have to hand it to Azeem's solicitors. Not only did they prep him well for the MP Select committee, but they timed the expose to perfection. Post Floyd, post SKY special programs on racism in cricket, post solidarity towards racism in the recent World Cup.

He is literally playing the game.

While there was doubt before Wednesday, Azeem's one wrong move has removed all doubt.
 
It's pretty clear that the hardcore defenders of Azeem will not call him out for being a racist after his messages were exposed because he was a victim of racism at the YCCC where he had 2 stints resulting in a 10 year career.

His defenders are clearly justifying and sugarcoating his actions by either playing the victim card or by claiming Jews joke about the same thing among themselves.

These same defenders shouted 'racist' when Olly Robinson's tweets were exposed when he was 18.

If any other sportsman was exposed with such messages then no doubt chants of 'racist' would be heard on Mars.

What Azeem did isn't anything new - calling out racism at YCCC . The news that racism exists at YCCC isn't earth shattering or breaking news; anyone born in the UK pre 80s will know this.

The only difference now is we live in the internet age where everyone has a digital footprint, and we live in a compensation culture. The greater the media attention, the greater the payout.

You have to hand it to Azeem's solicitors. Not only did they prep him well for the MP Select committee, but they timed the expose to perfection. Post Floyd, post SKY special programs on racism in cricket, post solidarity towards racism in the recent World Cup.

He is literally playing the game.

While there was doubt before Wednesday, Azeem's one wrong move has removed all doubt.

No one is defending Azeem's racism. Not even Azeem himself is. What is it you are reading? Is anything sinking in at all or are you only interested in using this forum as a soap box?
 
The world has already changed, you are still stuck in the past, if you are still living in the subcontinent then you have some excuse to be fair. If you are living in a western country then time to wake up and realise it's no longer 1994.

There is not likely to be any going back, just like the US isn't likely to go back to segregation of blacks and whites no matter how many people argued against racial integrations back in the '50s.

Lol your talking like your 18 and are growing up in these times. No the world has not changed, that will forever be apart of humanity...

Kids still do that i have youun cousins growing up in the cities..
 
I see you're based in London. Why don't you try venturing out of your multicultural bubble where 50% of the population don't even speak English. Try life in a council estate in Toxteth Liverpool and then tell us about playing the victim card.

I don’t think London suggests he is necessarily in a multicultural bubble for that isn’t as much of a detriment to narrow views compared to the ‘daddy’s money’ urban asian crowd in his city who primarily get in bed with white people and worship their way of life while looking down on people from their own background despite the unfortunate reflection in the mirror :(
 
I don’t think London suggests he is necessarily in a multicultural bubble for that isn’t as much of a detriment to narrow views compared to the ‘daddy’s money’ urban asian crowd in his city who primarily get in bed with white people and worship their way of life while looking down on people from their own background despite the unfortunate reflection in the mirror :(

There's nothing wrong with being an urban Asian who likes English culture, just don't do it from an inferiority complex where you feel you have to give "vun thousand apaalagies" for every gaffe made by an Asian somewhere in England. Or anywhere else in the world for that matter. That's not getting in bed with them, it's polishing their shoes.
 
You have started a "vilification" campaign against Azeems character based on his past.

How can you cast aspersions on someones character without even personally knowing him?

I agree. Someone who has been racist in the past is a poor candidate to cry wolf.

But how does that equate him to "being an embarassment", " face saving" , "crocodile tears" and fake person".

You made illogical correlations about his character based on his past history and concluded everything without even meeting the guy.

You judged his entire life on a Pakpassion thread.

Frankly speaking, how are you any better than him?

Yes I know people always say this. Don’t judge others, don’t judge others unless you know them personally etc.

This stuff never makes any logical sense to me. Whatever you do in life will be used to judge you. Regardless of whether it is good or bad. Everyone person in the world is judged on a daily basis.

How far do we go with this “let’s not judge others” narrative? Did you judge the man who massacred Muslims in Christchurch mosque or did you reserve your judgement because you did not know him in person?

Did you give him the benefit of doubt and withhold your judgment? Did you take it into consideration that he might have been a very good person who might have done a lot good in his life but lost control of his senses one bad day?

Similarly, did you withhold your judgement against Edhi because you didn’t know him in person, or did you judge him as a great humanitarian based on the work that he did? What if he had a different face and a different personality in his personal space?

Or is judgement reserved only for extremely bad or extremely good examples? Who decides what is extreme and what isn’t?

I have no hesitation in judging Rafiq for the fraud and the hypocrite that he is. Knowing him in person would not change the fact that he is massive hypocrite and got exposed.

I don’t know if I am better than him or not. I can’t judge myself. That is not my job or my headache. People around me can make that call.

However, the humiliation of Rafiq has made me realize that one should not adopt a self-righteous attitude and take a public stand against something that you are also guilty of, because if you get caught, you will be humiliated like no tomorrow.
 
Those who are saying that Rafiq isn’t perfect but this whole episode could lead to a change in attitude towards racism in English cricket.

I think that is a far point. However, it is very important to make an example out of Rafiq as well. Humiliate him, embarrass him, drag his nose in the dirt. Deprive him of work opportunities in the UK.

In fact, if I was the British Home Minister, I would have deported him after this. Make it clear to everyone that there is no room for hypocrites and fraudsters to take moral high ground and lead movements.
 
Those who are saying that Rafiq isn’t perfect but this whole episode could lead to a change in attitude towards racism in English cricket.

I think that is a far point. However, it is very important to make an example out of Rafiq as well. Humiliate him, embarrass him, drag his nose in the dirt. Deprive him of work opportunities in the UK.

In fact, if I was the British Home Minister, I would have deported him after this. Make it clear to everyone that there is no room for hypocrites and fraudsters to take moral high ground and lead movements.

Let's be real - if they have to be in the business of deporting people because of anti-Jew tweets from anytime in his past, Rafiq would hardly be the only one.
 
Those who are saying that Rafiq isn’t perfect but this whole episode could lead to a change in attitude towards racism in English cricket.

I think that is a far point. However, it is very important to make an example out of Rafiq as well. Humiliate him, embarrass him, drag his nose in the dirt. Deprive him of work opportunities in the UK.

In fact, if I was the British Home Minister, I would have deported him after this. Make it clear to everyone that there is no room for hypocrites and fraudsters to take moral high ground and lead movements.

Unless you are Priti Patel posting under a pseudonym, that's not likely to happen. Although from your posts, it would be quite easy to believe as you share many of the same loyaltes as our honourable Home Secretary.
 
If Azeem is truly honest about his intentions in exposing institutional racism, truly remorseful for his own racist mindset, truly doing all of this the greater good - then hand back your payout to prove it!
 
If Azeem is truly honest about his intentions in exposing institutional racism, truly remorseful for his own racist mindset, truly doing all of this the greater good - then hand back your payout to prove it!

It will be donated to a charity to support individuals such as yourself.
 
There's nothing wrong with being an urban Asian who likes English culture, just don't do it from an inferiority complex where you feel you have to give "vun thousand apaalagies" for every gaffe made by an Asian somewhere in England. Or anywhere else in the world for that matter. That's not getting in bed with them, it's polishing their shoes.

Plenty wrong with them Urban Asians, they suffer from a severe identity crisis it is quiet evident in their behaviour, pick and choose their social justice battles but inherently share most of their core qualities with the white people they worship and get naked for
 
Plenty wrong with them Urban Asians, they suffer from a severe identity crisis it is quiet evident in their behaviour, pick and choose their social justice battles but inherently share most of their core qualities with the white people they worship and get naked for

"Urban Asians"
 
So according to reports ECB are going to investigate him for the comments he made about Jews.
 
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