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14/4 in the powerplay against New Zealand in first T20I! I thought Pakistan were to become world beaters after dropping Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam

Should Pakistan stick with the Rizwan-Babar in T20Is or focus on developing the next generation?


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Wait till this kachra ensures that we won’t even qualify to play world tournaments.
They are not Kachra. They are players who have waited their turn patiently after your frauds had plenty of chances to show how useless they truly are everywhere.
 
They are not Kachra. They are players who have waited their turn patiently after your frauds had plenty of chances to show how useless they truly are everywhere.
No they have not waited long enough. Neither have they done enough to be selected.

I have been supportive of the KGs and the TTs of this world and will back them any day of the week for Pakistan. Not the current kachra lot picked for T20s.
 
This is a good post but I am still say I am impressed by how an Australian supporter like momsaigol bhai knows so much about Pak cricket. Truly a blessing to have such knowledge walking around us.
Why would I not have knowledge? Ik you're being sarcastic, but why wouldn't I have knowledge?

I'm not the one who made this aussie narrative. @Devadwal did lol. It's the only narrative he has so that he can pat himself on the back lol.
 
Another loss and another thread which is either crucifying players, supporting or dissing ex players or players that didn't make the squad..

Do we stick with the youngsters. Yes we absolutely should.

But one day the majority of you will eventually arrive at the conclusion that the long term success or failure is not due to the players but the entire cricketing system, from the PCB to the first class system....
 
No they have not waited long enough. Neither have they done enough to be selected.

I have been supportive of the KGs and the TTs of this world and will back them any day of the week for Pakistan. Not the current kachra lot picked for T20s.
The KGs and TTs deserve their chance in the middle like Salman. Not as openers or top order like your frauds Babar and Rizwan. Sorry I much rather prefer youngster hacks or whatever you want to call them than those two who are walking losers as openers.
 
The issue is not being able to asses conditions and bat accordingly and a lack of strategy from the coaches.

Every pitch is not a 200 plus wicket

One match means nothing.

England have been reckless at times

These players need at least 20 odd T20 games at least and playing at home will help.

Fakhar , Saim and Nafay should be the Top 3.
England have been reckless at times

Prime England was never reckless. Hales, Roy, Butler(prime), Morgan, stokes(prime) were all proper batsmen. Moeen ali was a bit hack and slash and so was livingstone which is what they needed lower down the order.

Current England is a joke, They can't even beat Afghanistan anymore in t20 or odi? And that's because salt, Jack's, Brooks(vs spin) just aren't proper batters. Brooks is a proper batsmen against pace but can't play spin for the life of him, Salt and Jack's are hackish.

And look at the state of England atm?

You need proper batters regardless and haris, Samad etc aren't it. In t20 you can have 1 or 2 sloggers, infact most t20 teams have atleast 2 tulla's in their team but you can have all 7 players be tulla's.

Prime England consistently tonking 110 every 10 overs and breaking world records in odi scorecards is an era gone by as their main techincally proficient batters have either retired or are aging.
 
@Rana

Hasan Nawaz 11 FC games
Irfan Khan 17 FC games
Abdul Samad 13 FC games
Jahandad Khan 6 FC games

And you are saying they have waited long to be selected. You must be havin a laugh mate.
 
@Rana

Hasan Nawaz 11 FC games
Irfan Khan 17 FC games
Abdul Samad 13 FC games
Jahandad Khan 6 FC games

And you are saying they have waited long to be selected. You must be havin a laugh mate.
Is this Test cricket? You need to pick guys who have played 50 red ball matches to play T20?
 
Who is khawaja nafay . I have seen lot's of poster already put him in top 3 batting position .

Players who are not in the team automatically become the best batsmen in pakistan cricket but why they didn't selected him

:kp
 
Is this Test cricket? You need to pick guys who have played 50 red ball matches to play T20?
This was probably the funniest post. You claimed their waiting for their chances and everyone knows haris has captained acc multiple times, and has been waiting for a proper opportunity since 2022 yet he responds with fc cricket 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

I even agree more fc cricket needs to be played but that comment was just too funny lol.

@gazza619 Sudhar jao bhai.
 
Kamran Ghulam and TT should have been there , Usman Khan should be in playing 11, today's game was nothing but pure embarrassment. A poster mentioned right we might have been 50 allout
 
Kamran Ghulam and TT should have been there , Usman Khan should be in playing 11, today's game was nothing but pure embarrassment. A poster mentioned right we might have been 50 allout
Kamran ghulam in t20? 🤣🤣🤣.

Do you want a t20 team of

1) Babar
2) Rizwan
3) Kamran
4) Abdullah
5) Agha
6) Chacha
7) Shadab
8) Nawaz
9) Shaheen
10) Naseem
11) Rauf

😭😭😭.

As for tayyab Tahir, he should be innthe team over agha 100%. Him at no 4 is a better option
 
England have been reckless at times

Prime England was never reckless. Hales, Roy, Butler(prime), Morgan, stokes(prime) were all proper batsmen. Moeen ali was a bit hack and slash and so was livingstone which is what they needed lower down the order.

Current England is a joke, They can't even beat Afghanistan anymore in t20 or odi? And that's because salt, Jack's, Brooks(vs spin) just aren't proper batters. Brooks is a proper batsmen against pace but can't play spin for the life of him, Salt and Jack's are hackish.

And look at the state of England atm?

You need proper batters regardless and haris, Samad etc aren't it. In t20 you can have 1 or 2 sloggers, infact most t20 teams have atleast 2 tulla's in their team but you can have all 7 players be tulla's.

Prime England consistently tonking 110 every 10 overs and breaking world records in odi scorecards is an era gone by as their main techincally proficient batters have either retired or are aging.
As I said earlier most one match means nothing.

This isn't prime Pakistan so comparisons are futile are 1 game.

Smart cricket boards start of their new players era in home conditions to give them confidence rather than overseas.

Most cricket boards employ that strategy.

Samad is a proper batter.

Shot selection is a major issue.

Balls that should be cut are pulled and vice versa.
 
Kamran ghulam in t20? 🤣🤣🤣.

Do you want a t20 team of

1) Babar
2) Rizwan
3) Kamran
4) Abdullah
5) Agha
6) Chacha
7) Shadab
8) Nawaz
9) Shaheen
10) Naseem
11) Rauf

😭😭😭.

As for tayyab Tahir, he should be innthe team over agha 100%. Him at no 4 is a better option
Your calling samad a hack and yet you think TT is better than Salman Ali.

Comon man sort it out.
 
As I said earlier most one match means nothing.

This isn't prime Pakistan so comparisons are futile are 1 game.

Smart cricket boards start of their new players era in home conditions to give them confidence rather than overseas.

Most cricket boards employ that strategy.

Samad is a proper batter.

Shot selection is a major issue.

Balls that should be cut are pulled and vice versa.
Bhai I've watched Pakistan t20 cricket. I don't wish to put you down, I'm sure you probably have your reasons but based of what I've seen

1) Saim Ayub
2) Maaz Sadaqat
3) Hussain Talat
4) Haider Ali (on current form)
5) Omair Yousaf (Although his game is more suited to red ball)

^^ These guys are proper young batters. I'm not saying their world beaters, but their all batters with good techniques and they should be given a long rope, Especially haider ali who's reinvented himself after being dropped and developed a proper technique. He's also been the best whiteball batter in domestic for a while now, but he's still a nervous starter.

Muhammad haris, Abdul Samad are not proper batters, their hacks and hence their ceiling is comparatively lower since they don't possess proper cricketing strokes or footwork.

Agha salman is a proper batsmen but I don't know why he's so poor in t20. It's a mystery since he's always been a 95+ SR batsmen in List A and Odi international. He was striking at 95+ in list a way before his debut but his record has always been poor in t20 way before he even made an international debut.

Hasan Nawaz i don't know, I need to wait and see more of him.

Shadab is useless at no 5. He's a good captain and has the best t20 cricketing brain in the country but he's just a specialist captain. He's useless with the bat and ball. He's a tail ender who's pretending that's all.

Same with Khsudil and jahndad, Tbf their clean strikers of the ball but their still tullas.

Your entire batting lineup is filled with sloggers, and these boys don't have a high ceiling, you still need 3 to 4 proper batters in t20 for any lineup.
 
Bhai I've watched Pakistan t20 cricket. I don't wish to put you down, I'm sure you probably have your reasons but based of what I've seen

1) Saim Ayub
2) Maaz Sadaqat
3) Hussain Talat
4) Haider Ali (on current form)
5) Omair Yousaf (Although his game is more suited to red ball)

^^ These guys are proper young batters. I'm not saying their world beaters, but their all batters with good techniques and they should be given a long rope, Especially haider ali who's reinvented himself after being dropped and developed a proper technique. He's also been the best whiteball batter in domestic for a while now, but he's still a nervous starter.

Muhammad haris, Abdul Samad are not proper batters, their hacks and hence their ceiling is comparatively lower since they don't possess proper cricketing strokes or footwork.

Agha salman is a proper batsmen but I don't know why he's so poor in t20. It's a mystery since he's always been a 95+ SR batsmen in List A and Odi international. He was striking at 95+ in list a way before his debut but his record has always been poor in t20 way before he even made an international debut.

Hasan Nawaz i don't know, I need to wait and see more of him.

Shadab is useless at no 5. He's a good captain and has the best t20 cricketing brain in the country but he's just a specialist captain. He's useless with the bat and ball. He's a tail ender who's pretending that's all.

Same with Khsudil and jahndad, Tbf their clean strikers of the ball but their still tullas.

Your entire batting lineup is filled with sloggers, and these boys don't have a high ceiling, you still need 3 to 4 proper batters in t20 for any lineup.
Some people here call maaz a tulleibaaz lolll
 
Your calling samad a hack and yet you think TT is better than Salman Ali.

Comon man sort it out.
Tayyab Tahir in t20 cricket is much better then Agha is. Agha is not a t20 player and I don't know why.

If you've been following his career trajectory he was beyond rubbish in t20 cricket way before his debut.

He was always Pakistan's best batting allrounder and a natural successor to Malik and if you look at some old PP threads, many posters desperately wanted him in our test and odi squad and feel he should have made his debut when he was 22 or 23, not when he was 29.

But in t20 he has always been God awful. His best t20 performance came.last psl at no 3 but even then he was just okay, nothing special.

Again I don't know why as he's a player with a proper technique and has always batted with a good avg and very good sr in both fc, test, list a and odi.

But in t20 he's never been good.

As I said, I've watched these guys play lol. I keep a close eye on Australian domestic cricket as well, however Australia is fine. Their test stocks and t20 stocks are high but their struggling a bit on odi stocks. The current crop just don't know how to play odi cricket.

Pakistan on the other hand is struggling on all fronts. Lack of interest in fc, and an outdated T20 system led by outdated individuals like rizwan, Shan, Babar, saud captaining etc.

Odi stocks are good to a certain extent however, the upcoming stock is still woefully behind SENA and India.
 
Pakistan should pray that they should find three more saim ayub level talents
 
Some people here call maaz a tulleibaaz lolll
Some people here like Misses India @Devadwal and no 1 rizzu supporter @RizwanT20Champ you yourself richie rich kashmiri @jamie smith call Travis Head a tulla, Steve smith a stat padder, and Bradman a world war 2 fraud not realising that none of the batters in today's era would even avg 5 runs in that era since their technique, training, and stroke play doesn't work with those woodchipper bats, and those rubbish equipments.

Good luck trying to sweep, cut, or play cutesy dabs down to 3rd fine leg in the 1930's.

So no, I don't take such comments seriously.

I wrote an entire post as to what hacks are and all types of Hacks in cricket and sadly only 5 to 10 posters agreed and understood.

The rest were interpreting the text as if I wrote some ancient sanskrit text in Latin and encoded it in zodiac symbols.
 
Irfan was batting out of position also.
He is a no 5/6 batter not no 3 batter.
An average of 45 suggests that he has some talent.
So then what do you want to do then? Send your Pakistan players to play in Ranji for their domestic records to be taken seriously?
 
Pakistan should pray that they should find three more saim ayub level talents
You will say the same about Nawaz, Harris etc if you just show patience. It’s the same people who were after Saim’s head initially that are now turning the direction of their fire towards these young players.
 
Some people here like Misses India @Devadwal and no 1 rizzu supporter @RizwanT20Champ you yourself richie rich kashmiri @jamie smith call Travis Head a tulla, Steve smith a stat padder, and Bradman a world war 2 fraud not realising that none of the batters in today's era would even avg 5 runs in that era since their technique, training, and stroke play doesn't work with those woodchipper bats, and those rubbish equipments.

Good luck trying to sweep, cut, or play cutesy dabs down to 3rd fine leg in the 1930's.

So no, I don't take such comments seriously.

I wrote an entire post as to what hacks are and all types of Hacks in cricket and sadly only 5 to 10 posters agreed and understood.

The rest were interpreting the text as if I wrote some ancient sanskrit text in Latin and encoded it in zodiac symbols.
Yeah I agree with u.
But head is still a tulla.
 
You will say the same about Nawaz, Harris etc if you just show patience. It’s the same people who were after Saim’s head initially that are now turning the direction of their fire towards these young players.
Sorry Harris and hassan are not saim level.
Saim has a 209 in qet final which these guys can only dream of.
 
Right so make your mind up, both comments are contradictory.

An average of 45 but can’t move his feet against a moving ball?
Pak standards are not good but a fc average of 45 is still decent.
It is better than ur 22 averaging guys.
 
Pak standards are not good but a fc average of 45 is still decent.
It is better than ur 22 averaging guys.
Shan Masood has stellar red ball numbers in English county, that’s a good standard right? Should he be in the national T20 side?
 
Yeah I agree with u.
But head is still a tulla.
Based of what? He's literally the best offside player on the planet atm.

Just cause he aggressively tries to attack everything like afridi and hence gets out while others try to settle and pace an innings doesn't make him a hack.

You can say that he's extremely reckless at times and that he doesn't know how to play any other way besides bash bash bash,

But he doesn't qualify as a hack/blind slogger.
 
It’s fine back the youngsters.

These aren’t even our proper first team starters. Saim will be back and probably fakhar. Usman will probably play too. What were currently playing aren’t even the best amongst PSL right now.

I think Agha will come good and Kushadil is looking better.

But Rizwan and babar aren’t the biggest problem. Biggest issue is we can not keep our wickets in tact while attacking. Due to poor aggressive shots or not maximising singles and getting tied down. The pressure of falling wickets chokes our run rate and causes us to be defensive.

We just have so few cricketers that are comfortable at the crease early on and can see and hit the ball cleanly early on. Other teams have these guys. And it’s not like they don’t exist, guys like Sharjeel was this but ruined his career due to fixing and fitness. Saim is this to some degree too. The rest seem to just throw their bat hoping to connect, which usually leads to a low SR as they keep missing.
 
Pak standards are not good but a fc average of 45 is still decent.
It is better than ur 22 averaging guys.
Oh bhai, he's only played 17 Fc games and has one century 😭😭.

He's whiteball record is pathetic. Dude avg 25 in List A? That avg will eventually go down come next qea or whatever fc tourney he may or may not play.

When I said prioritise fc cricket, I meant 50+ fc games to iron out technique flaws otherwise you get another Abdullah situation where you can clearly tell this guy has zero to no fundamentals.

Niazi's feet don't move he's not a t20 player.

A t20 player should play more fc cricket to iron out techniques, but niazi plays more fc, he doesn't prioritise whiteball automatically disqualifying him.
 
14/4 in the Power Play is the 2nd worst for Pakistan.

We were told around here how Babar and Rizwan are making this team weak and not allowing us reach our true potential. World beaters like Haris were being kept out etc.

Pakistan were 1/3. At one point even I was confused whether the scoring format had been changed.


Oh bhai, he's only played 17 Fc games and has one century 😭😭.

He's whiteball record is pathetic. Dude avg 25 in List A? That avg will eventually go down come next qea or whatever fc tourney he may or may not play.

When I said prioritise fc cricket, I meant 50+ fc games to iron out technique flaws otherwise you get another Abdullah situation where you can clearly tell this guy has zero to no fundamentals.

Niazi's feet don't move he's not a t20 player.

A t20 player should play more fc cricket to iron out techniques, but niazi plays more fc, he doesn't prioritise whiteball automatically disqualifying him.
Haider ali should played at no 6 instead of niazi
 
Based of what? He's literally the best offside player on the planet atm.

Just cause he aggressively tries to attack everything like afridi and hence gets out while others try to settle and pace an innings doesn't make him a hack.

You can say that he's extremely reckless at times and that he doesn't know how to play any other way besides bash bash bash,

But he doesn't qualify as a hack/blind slogger.
@Devadwal You can continue to laugh hysterically but doesn't change the fact that you don't know or understand cricketing terms.

You literally need the dictionary to help you out 🫠.
 
Haider ali should played at no 6 instead of niazi
Haider Ali isn't a bad batsmen for Pakistan standards. Don't know why he isn't in the cards.

On current form he's > KG, Tayyab, saud, samad, Agha(in t20), shadab(as a batsmen), etc etc.
 
I only said he is better than tullas like haris and hassan and not world beater.
Oh bhai, he's only played 17 Fc games and has one century 😭😭.

He's whiteball record is pathetic. Dude avg 25 in List A? That avg will eventually go down come next qea or whatever fc tourney he may or may not play.

When I said prioritise fc cricket, I meant 50+ fc games to iron out technique flaws otherwise you get another Abdullah situation where you can clearly tell this guy has zero to no fundamentals.

Niazi's feet don't move he's not a t20 player.

A t20 player should play more fc cricket to iron out techniques, but niazi plays more fc, he doesn't prioritise whiteball automatically disqualifying him.
 
I only said he is better than tullas like haris and hassan and not world beater.
Wait so Niazi is not a tulla in your eyes but Travis head is 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Anyway Niazi isn't a tulla, but he is a hack. If you read my post, you'd understand why, he's in the same category of rizwan, Abdullah and many others. Aka having extreme technical deficiencies that prevent him from progressing.

His feet don't move, can only play one way.
 
Wait so Niazi is not a tulla in your eyes but Travis head is 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Anyway Niazi isn't a tulla, but he is a hack. If you read my post, you'd understand why, he's in the same category of rizwan, Abdullah and many others. Aka having extreme technical deficiencies that prevent him from progressing.

His feet don't move, can only play one way.
Niazi is a proper bat and abd is also a proper bat.
Riz is a tulla.
 
According to his definition, Imam ul Haq is a proper batsman but Travis Head is a hack.
Not even a hack, a heck. Travis head is a heck.

Now I don't know what a heck is in cricketing terminology. Maybe @Devadwal can enlighten us.
 
Niazi is a proper bat and abd is also a proper bat.
Riz is a tulla.
Abdullah Shafique is not a proper batsmen.

People like misbah, Rizwan, Abdullah like to hide behind the words accumulator, anchorer etc to justify their lack of stroke play and ability to actually play the game according to the situation at hand.

It's sad considering even Joe root who before his odi debut had no idea how to do so, managed to figure out how to access a 5th gear.

Same with niazi he isn't a proper batsmen either. His feet are planted in cement.
 
According to his definition, Imam ul Haq is a proper batsman but Travis Head is a hack.
When you already exposed by me so start telling lies to build a fake narrative.

I never claimed imam is proper player

But you said usman Khan is best limited Over player in pakistan cricket at This moment
:kp
 
Abdullah Shafique is not a proper batsmen.

People like misbah, Rizwan, Abdullah like to hide behind the words accumulator, anchorer etc to justify their lack of stroke play and ability to actually play the game according to the situation at hand.

It's sad considering even Joe root who before his odi debut had no idea how to do so, managed to figure out how to access a 5th gear.

Same with niazi he isn't a proper batsmen either. His feet are planted in cement.
Which of ur proper bats have a 200 and 150 on spinning galle pitches.
 
Which of ur proper bats have a 200 and 150 on spinning galle pitches.
Usman Khawaja at the end of his rope scored a 216 on the exact same pitch.

Khawaja was never a good player to begin with, he was an azhar ali level test player in prime, infact azhar actually played better then khawaja deapite playing in aus vs a top tier aussie attack.

So a khawaja at the end of his rope with zero reactions scoring 216 on the exact same pitches against a similar bowling lineup should paint the entire picture.

Sri lankan bowling is poor. Travis head was playing t20 cricket with his 35 ball 50's against them. Not a big deal to score 200 against them.
 
When you already exposed by me so start telling lies to build a fake narrative.

I never claimed imam is proper player

But you said usman Khan is best limited Over player in pakistan cricket at This moment
:kp
What is a heck?
 
He doesn't know, neither do I. That's why I want to know from you, You called Travis head a heck. Please open your dictionary and educate me on your terminology.

Clearly we don't speak the same English language.
I only know about cheater and you can ask me who is cheater :ssmith :kp
 
I only know about cheater and you can ask me who is cheater :ssmith :kp
Everyone knows that lol.

1) Azharuddin
2) Sachin
3) Smith
4) Warner
5) Amir
6) Asif
7) butt

And many others. It's nothing new. Harbajan was another who never got caught.

Murli wasn't. He has the hyper extension similar to Bumrah.

Idk if you're trying to irritate me, but it's not working 🤣. I don't hate an entire country cause of one man lol. Nor do I lie about uae border control 🫠.
 
Everyone knows that lol.

1) Azharuddin
2) Sachin
3) Smith
4) Warner
5) Amir
6) Asif
7) butt

And many others. It's nothing new. Harbajan was another who never got caught.

Murli wasn't. He has the hyper extension similar to Bumrah.

Idk if you're trying to irritate me, but it's not working 🤣. I don't hate an entire country cause of one man lol. Nor do I lie about uae border control 🫠.
You can assume anything . I don't care :kp
 
Pakistan team needs a solid lower order batter, Where's Azam Khan, these pacy wickets will be to his liking
 
Who is khawaja nafay . I have seen lot's of poster already put him in top 3 batting position .

Players who are not in the team automatically become the best batsmen in pakistan cricket but why they didn't selected him

:kp
Nafay is another glorified kachra who has done zilch in domestic cricket.
 
Well you tell me. You are the one promoting young blood with intent on this forum.
I’ll continue to back what I promote

It’s you who needs to tell me which players have performed consistently in red ball cricket for 2-3 seasons to become T20 cricketers for Pakistan. That’s your argument, not mines.
 
exactly!!!! But @Rana jee ko kaun samjhae.
Dude read the comment ^^ yours.

He's literally stating the same thing I'm stating.

Red ball players don't make the transition to T20 very well. Players like saud would be unsuited for t20 🤣🤣.

Someone like omair bin yousaf would benefit since he's all formats.
 
exactly!!!! But @Rana jee ko kaun samjhae.
When am I saying don’t play fc cricket??

Play it, but your argument is to pick players for T20 solely based on an extensive amount of red ball cricket…

And when I ask you, who fits that criteria currently according to your formula….you then ask me for names?
 
After the seniors won us the t20 world cup, our t20 team was completely reformed, that team lost its first match vs Zimbabwe.

A lot of Indian fans were jumping from the rooftops and blaming the Team Management for this 180 change, fast forward to now and they have become the most exciting t20 team in the world with match winners from 1 to 11.

I know that Pakistan doesn’t carry the same talent that we have, but this is t20 cricket and all these players are in their early twenties or mid twenties, they have the right attitude, they will collapse from time to time but will definitely show more promise than that Rizbar team.

Once Saim and Fakhar are back, this Unit will have a set structure and they will show better results.
 
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