14/4 in the powerplay against New Zealand in first T20I! I thought Pakistan were to become world beaters after dropping Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam

[Farabi]

LoL, where are the fans who wanted to get rid of Babar & Rizwan? well here are the replacements. Full of positive intent, aggression and high strike rates. No more 90s cricket just modern aggressive cricket. LoL
And who made Salman Agha the Captain after only playing 6 T20s in which his total runs were 50. What a joke.

We are right here. Read the thread lol

 

[Greenstorm]

Ik you're being sarcastic however I've stated this before.

A) Take pak cricket back to UAE, Pakistani pitches are in zero conditions to develop FC, t20 and list A cricketers.

B) After taking them to uae, choose players who have solid technique + right attitude like saim ayub and you'll develop good players.

Pitches is just one factor. We produced Inzimam, Younis, Yousuf, Imran Nazir, Afridi, Yasir Hameed etc are on same pitches few decades ago. Corruption and incompetence of PCB is a major factor.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pitches is just one factor. We produced Inzimam, Younis, Yousuf, Imran Nazir, Afridi, Yasir Hameed etc are on same pitches few decades ago. Corruption and incompetence of PCB is a major factor.

That was a different era. First and foremost these players most of these players benefitted from playing county, or scheduling bi laterals against top tier teams in an era where bi laterals were taken very seriously.

Secondly the pitches produced in pakistan at the time were of higher quality. Pakistan was at its best post misbah era during 2017-2019. Mainly cause psl was being played in uae at the time and whiteball was improving.

Leagues were also more friendly towards pakistan.

Incomes ramiz raja who ruined Pakistani pitches. The pitch situation is so bad that domestic teams are now looking at faisalabad or other 3rd class grounds rather then gaddafi roads or pindi roads to play on.

Lastly those guys had the advantage of world class coaches while current setup keeps kicking foreign coaches and firing them

 

[Greenstorm]

That was a different era. First and foremost these players most of these players benefitted from playing county, or scheduling bi laterals against top tier teams in an era where bi laterals were taken very seriously.

Secondly the pitches produced in pakistan at the time were of higher quality. Pakistan was at its best post misbah era during 2017-2019. Mainly cause psl was being played in uae at the time and whiteball was improving.

Leagues were also more friendly towards pakistan.

Incomes ramiz raja who ruined Pakistani pitches. The pitch situation is so bad that domestic teams are now looking at faisalabad or other 3rd class grounds rather then gaddafi roads or pindi roads to play on.

Lastly those guys had the advantage of world class coaches while current setup keeps kicking foreign coaches and firing them

Disagree completely. UAE pitches are worse than Pakistan. One reason for downfall of Pakistan's fast bowling is the amount of test cricket we had to play in UAE. In Pakistan, at least reverse swing is available to fast bowlers.

Ramiz Raja has ruined tracks but nothing is stopping PCB from going back to wickets we produced in SA test series or exploring new tracks (Sialkot has bouncy wicket).

And domestic matches are being played in Faisalabad due to political and administrative reasons. It has nothing to do with pitches as Faisalabad is the flattest wicket in Pakistan.

None of the batsmen I mentioned had access to foreign coaches early on in their career. They were homegrown talents nurtured by local club coaches who were dedicated. We are losing that aspect of our cricket as well. They also played less county cricket as compared to our greats from 70s and 80s.

Pitches are hardly a factor in out downfall. Problem is far deeper.

 

[mominsaigol]

Disagree completely. UAE pitches are worse than Pakistan. One reason for downfall of Pakistan's fast bowling is the amount of test cricket we had to play in UAE. In Pakistan, at least reverse swing is available to fast bowlers.

Ramiz Raja has ruined tracks but nothing is stopping PCB from going back to wickets we produced in SA test series or exploring new tracks (Sialkot has bouncy wicket).

And domestic matches are being played in Faisalabad due to political and administrative reasons. It has nothing to do with pitches as Faisalabad is the flattest wicket in Pakistan.

None of the batsmen I mentioned had access to foreign coaches early on in their career. They were homegrown talents nurtured by local club coaches who were dedicated. We are losing that aspect of our cricket as well. They also played less county cricket as compared to our greats from 70s and 80s.

Pitches are hardly a factor in out downfall. Problem is far deeper.

Hmm, Ig goverment mismanagement and talent pool drying up. Australia is facing the same problem atm although their not nearly as bad as Pakistan.

The likes of Sam Konstas are still > pretty much 99% of the current talent pool in Pakistan

 

[jnaveen1980]

@Major what’s this?

Hard to convince someone who thinks SKY is over-rated Standard of expectation is very high only select players can to much that.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes we all know how much of a garbage player Younis Khan was in odis

In 2015 yes.

His peak years where 2002 and 2008 where he avg 41 and 54 respectively and had 79 sr and 91 respectively. 41 avg and 79 sr was terrific for that era.

The problem with YK is that he was at his best in odi when batting at 6. His golden run in 2002 and 2008 both come at the no 6 position. He was very good at finishing games or batting when inzi had taken off all the pressure, just wasn't good at building an innings at 3 or 4.

Story of every Pakistani batter it seems. No one is able to figure out correct positions.

Mohammad yousaf was clearly a beast at no 3 yet they pushed him to no 4 where he was effective but not that much.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

14/4.

Still better than the days of 1/4 in a CWC. If you're true fan, then stick it out. Warna rotay raho.

 

[mango_bite77]

Salman Butt recently mentioned people blame players that they have intent issues and they don't play aggressive, but unfortunately it is not the intent issue, it is skill issue. Do they have skills to showcase aggressive intent? Swining bat like 'Chamcha' doesn't make you an aggressive player.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

As an outside observer, I can say with confidence that:

1. You have probably three to five years of Babar and Rizwan who have led Pakistan cricket to this level. Whatever ‘this level’ is, I make no value judgment whatsoever. There are pros and cons to their leadership, as is the case withe everyone.

2. Now, if the idea is to take Pak cricket above and beyond ‘this level’, surely you absolutely have to give the new process at least a year to yield results?

3. Note I said new process, not new players. The players are a variable that can change if one or two or five don’t work out.

4. But the new set of ideas (faster strike rates, aggressive players, whatever) and processes is a constant and needs to be given those 12 months.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This poster is obsessed with glorified Tullebaaz who can hit a six . Anyone who can hit a six is his favourite player

You need techniques and game awareness to play fearless cricket Which is why current Indian team is successful.

THe way Pakistan youngsters were played today , it was nothing short of embarrassment for a Test playing nations like Pakistan who has Rich history behind in the World cricket.

Any team can out for lower Total but mode of dismissal is matter the most.

But nothing will happen to Pakistan cricket because they like the Mediocrity and Tullebaaz players

As i said earlier you can changed the player but result will be not changed untill pakistan fix Their system.

The system won't ever be fixed sadly . These so called tullas are the best option we have for now.

In an ideal world you are absolutely right but PCB is far from ideal. Given the results of past few years if most fans are given a choice of Rizbar or so called Tullas they will opt to give the tullebaaz a try.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think this should be Pakistan's T20 XI:

Saim
Fakhar
Haris (wk)
Agha (c)
Asif Ali
Shadab
Abdul Samad
Naseem
Shaheen
Rauf
Sufiyan.

 

[Devadwal]

The system won't ever be fixed sadly . These so called tullas are the best option we have for now.

In an ideal world you are absolutely right but PCB is far from ideal. Given the results of past few years if most fans are given a choice of Rizbar or so called Tullas they will opt to give the tullebaaz a try.

I agree that Rizbar Brand of cricket is not suitable for T20 Cricket these days but atleast select the attacking player who have game awareness

problem is that Pakistan building a team of hitters who swing blindly without any technique and knowing basics of hitting the balls .

T20 cricket is Best suitable for Tullebaaz who has The right mindset.

Still early day's for These youngsters So Hopefully they Will learn in the Upcoming game's.

 

[Devadwal]

Babar is getting extra hate because his name includes with Rizwan. Babar still has a place in pakistan T20 team but not Rizwan.

 

[Energy]

RizBar vs Tullay.

Toothless vs Ruthless.

 

[MenInG]

Guys cut out personal irrelevant stuff please

 

[shah_1]

You will say the same about Nawaz, Harris etc if you just show patience. It’s the same people who were after Saim’s head initially that are now turning the direction of their fire towards these young players.

I don't see any talent in Nawaz and Harris

Proper tullaybaz, no technique. There is no hope from these two.

Saim Ayub had done well in all three formats in domestic cricket before playing for Pakistan, it is a massive difference.

 

[jamie smith fan]

Comparing haris and Nawaz to saim is like comparing harry maguire to Maldini.

I don't see any talent in Nawaz and Harris

Proper tullaybaz, no technique. There is no hope from these two.

Saim Ayub had done well in all three formats in domestic cricket before playing for Pakistan, it is a massive difference.

 

[khyberlion]

I don't see any talent in Nawaz and Harris

Proper tullaybaz, no technique. There is no hope from these two.

Saim Ayub had done well in all three formats in domestic cricket before playing for Pakistan, it is a massive difference.

Saim is on another level when it comes to talent. He's far ahead of both Haris and Nawaz. Not saying they don't deserve a chance. They will never come close to matching saim.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

14/4.

Acha jee.

Tow abb kya karen?

Wapis ley ayen Babar Rizwan ko and unky samny Sajday karen?

Like I mean what do you want us to even do after one match?

If you going to keep on ranting 14/4, then how about saying WHAT YOU WANT, instead of just trying to just write troll posts.

What is your solution after one match bro?

I am going to chase you till you answer this in every thread because you keep repeating 14/4 as if this is the first time in history of cricket a team has been 14/4 in T20.

I am waiting.

 

[Energy]

In the past I would have come down very hard in support of Babar and Rizwan because they can 'score more runs'. This was something missing explicitly from the team in Misbah's era so was a breath of fresh air to see two guys who can bat consistently for long periods albeit slowly.

BUT- when push comes to shove, and when you need to really make it count, they have gone missing time and time again. To a point, where they were involved in registering scores of 20 runs in 10 over periods in the last 2 matches. This just doesn't cut it anymore and speaks negatively about their ultra-timid character as a batsman. The runs are therefore only useful to them and useless to the team.

Pakistan needs to move on from them in T20I and if the answer is to draft in tullay then so be it.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Head is not a tulla, he has proper cricketing strokes, technique wise he's a better player of pace then anyone in pakistan cricket atm and that includes fakhar and Saim.

While he's not a great player of spin he's still > pretty much every Pakistani batsmen except maybe slog sweep fakhar.

His front foot and backfoot is better as well.

However the issue with Travis head is that unlike his peers before him specifically Warner and Gilly, Head doesn't know how to structure an innings. He only knows how to play one way which is to bash endlessly.

As a result he gets dismissed more easily then the others. He just doesn't know how to slow down, however that's not a bad thing because the day he kicks off its game over for the opposition.

So in Head's case I'm glad Australia has found a player who just doesn't know how to slow down. If Australia had 7 Travis Head like batters in their side, then they'd be the best odi side in the world and probably the best t20 batting side being comparative to current India.

They'd be a crap test side though, which is why one Head is fine in test lol.

Head competitor is Warner and gilly and to see if he can surpass them which he likely won't but talent wise he's in their ball park.

Talent wise babar azam at his absolute peak is on par with current era Joe root, current era Steve smith in odi. However root from 2016-2019 is > any era babar in odi, same with 2014-2021 Steve smith in odi.

Current babar isn't even Labu level in odi lol. The entire aussie batting team except for copper connely and maybe current maxwell whos washed up is > Babar as a batsmen. Head, Marsh, Labu, Smith, carey, Inglis are all significantly > Babar as batsmen and tbf, Head and Marsh are > Any era babar.

Rizwan talent wise is toothless. He's a better odi batsmen then Misbah, and talent wise I would say he's around on par with the likes of Ollie pope or maybe if I'm being generous, Bavuma as an odi batsmen although bavuma is better then rizwan.

One credit I'll give to rizwan is that unlike babar, Rizwan has atleast managed to improve year by year and currently he's better then saud shakeel, kamram ghulam and many others as an odi no 4 batsmen.

But please stop constantly trying to put babar and rizwan as equal to head and use stats as a metric.

One player is a HTB in tests and a wtc winner however hes a HTB in dens where even quality of atg batters like root avg 25. While babar and rizwan are much much worse then in their own dens. Babar avg 20 on his phatta track post ramiz era forced aqib to invent lottery pitches.

Then you in odi it isn't a comparison. His world cup 100 is > anything babar and rizwan can and ever will do on his career. And in t20 it isn't even a comparison.

Babar and rizwan are not kohli and Gilchrist that you'd compare qith head and I'd say that yes kohli and gilly are >. These are worthless players who've been elevated to a status by a delusional Pakistan community who still believes they are relevant in world cricket

Babar in ODI and test > Head, sorry bro. In T20 we can debate.

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar in ODI and test > Head, sorry bro. In T20 we can debate.

We can debate in all 3, you'd still lose lol

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

We can debate in all 3, you'd still lose lol

Dear brother, you are the most knowledgeable poster here so I would lose by default. However, Babar > Tulla Head in ODI and Test. This will be proven by the time they both retire. Good day brother.

 

[mominsaigol]

Dear brother, you are the most knowledgeable poster here so I would lose by default. However, Babar > Tulla Head in ODI and Test. This will be proven by the time they both retire. Good day brother.

Babar is only going to be > Head in odi from a records standpoint.

In tests babar avg will drop below 40 by the time he retires and forget about getting another sena 100. It's a pipedream

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Babar is only going to be > Head in odi from a records standpoint.

In tests babar avg will drop below 40 by the time he retires and forget about getting another sena 100. It's a pipedream

Let's see brother. Babar will get another sena 100 before tulla Head scores an overseas 100 in the den of the opposition. Agreed on records and 100 years from now, Babar will be remembered more than Head for sure.

 

[mominsaigol]

Let's see brother. Babar will get another sena 100 before tulla Head scores an overseas 100 in the den of the opposition. Agreed on records and 100 years from now, Babar will be remembered more than Head for sure.

100 years from now none of these 2 are being remembered they don't have that staying power.

100 years from now I'm not sure if cricket will exist or if Pakistan as a country will even exist.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

100 years from now none of these 2 are being remembered they don't have that staying power.

100 years from now I'm not sure if cricket will exist or if Pakistan as a country will even exist.

Come on brother don't say that

 

[shah9425]

I am backing these guys

One match is not a gauge for performance

Cmon young lads make us pr

Bro do us a favour and not back them. We have seen how things turn out for those who you back.

Chal kaam kar apna

 

[Major]

Acha jee.

Tow abb kya karen?

Wapis ley ayen Babar Rizwan ko and unky samny Sajday karen?

Like I mean what do you want us to even do after one match?

If you going to keep on ranting 14/4, then how about saying WHAT YOU WANT, instead of just trying to just write troll posts.

What is your solution after one match bro?

I am going to chase you till you answer this in every thread because you keep repeating 14/4 as if this is the first time in history of cricket a team has been 14/4 in T20.

I am waiting.

Markhor has worded it well already.

The solution was never to bring players in who might have high strike rate but avg 20 or below.

Your domestic avg gives a good indication how you will do in international cricket. The fact the line up is made up of haris, hassan nawaz, khushdil, irfan, saman is just a joke.

Whats even more of a joke is that these guys replaced babar and rizwan.

The babar and rizwan issue is just a coaching/strategy issue and nothing else. The rest of the players selection makes no sense at all.

The desperation to replace babar and rizwan with such players is just a hilariois endeavor, and confirms my theory that come ICC t20 tournament, babar and rizwan will be back in the squad

 

[Rana]

The babar and rizwan issue is just a coaching/strategy issue and nothing else.

How many coaches have had their careers destroyed in solving this issue????????

 

[Major]

How many coaches have had their careers destroyed in solving this issue????????

None.

Saqlain and Aqib did nothing.

RR decided to remove a working coach and than Naqvi removed foreign coaches that we had.

Aqib and Saqlain are not someone that can build a team

 

[Rana]

None.

Saqlain and Aqib did nothing.

RR decided to remove a working coach and than Naqvi removed foreign coaches that we had.

Aqib and Saqlain are not someone that can build a team

Continue living in a world where Misbah has blinded you.

So many coaches but none of them worked out what you did just now, that it was a coaching/strategy issue????

 

[Kianig89]

2nd game tomorrow more empirical evidence we might get to bust the holier than thou approach of RizBar haters

 

[Major]

Continue living in a world where Misbah has blinded you.

So many coaches but none of them worked out what you did just now, that it was a coaching/strategy issue????

You keep on living in a world where a 19 avg batter becomes a world beater.

What so many coaches. Aqib and saqlain are not proper coaches.

You need proper coaches to make strategies and develop a team.

The issue with babar and rizwan is not batting, its their approach what can be changed only a by coach.

The issue with the current team is that they dont even know how to bat and they are playing international cricket

 

[Major]

2nd game tomorrow more empirical evidence we might get to bust the holier than thou approach of RizBar haters

Hoping for a 60+ score in tomrs pp. Lets see

 

[Rana]

The issue with babar and rizwan is not batting, its their approach what can be changed only a by coach

This is bol**x

they will not change their approach because they do not feel their approach is wrong. In fact, liars and clowns like you didnt feel anything was wrong with it too. You also said 40-0 is better than 66-1 in a T20 powerplay.

Look at this man acting all holier than thou now @topspin

 

[Devadwal]

Hoping for a 60+ score in tomrs pp. Lets see

At Max 45 with atleast 2 wickets . That is the maximum capacity of theses tullebaaz

 

[Cover Drive Six]

These bilateral series should be taken with a pinch of salt. The focus should be on continuing with new players for some time, rotating them, filtering out the best, and eventually finding a few good ones.

 

[Major]

This is bol**x

they will not change their approach because they do not feel their approach is wrong. In fact, liars and clowns like you didnt feel anything was wrong with it too. You also said 40-0 is better than 66-1 in a T20 powerplay.

Look at this man acting all holier than thou now @topspin

Haan, they told you in your ear.

Such naive thinking about the game...

 

[Rana]

Haan, they told you in your ear.

Such naive thinking about the game...

Who said this? Who never changed even after saying this?

"It is very difficult role (anchor role in shortest format) and sometimes it looks very embarrassing," Rizwan told reporters. "What my experience says and what I know is that whenever someone hires me, they demand me to play the anchor role like the way I do in Pakistan.

"I always assess the condition, assess the opponent and do these kinds of things (anchoring the innings) and sometimes it is embarrassing because in T20 everyone knows we love sixes and they want me to score 60-70 runs from 35-45 balls, but for me to win the match.

 

[Major]

Who said this? Who never changed even after saying this?

like i have said a million times, its up to the coaches

 

[Rana]

like i have said a million times, its up to the coaches

How do you coach a pigheaded person?

 

[Major]

How do you coach a pigheaded person?

We are not talking about Sarfraz Ahmad here.

 

[Rana]

We are not talking about Sarfraz Ahmad here.

I knew it was going to fly over your head. What has Sarfaraz got to do with this? He would send tailenders ahead of him out of humility knowing they are better ball strikers than he is for the situation. Its one of his many successful tactics that ensured Pakistan were a number 1 T20 side during his captaincy. How is a man who is open to adaptability a pigheaded person?

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I knew it was going to fly over your head. What has Sarfaraz got to do with this? He would send tailenders ahead of him out of humility knowing they are better ball strikers than he is for the situation. Its one of his many successful tactics that ensured Pakistan were a number 1 T20 side during his captaincy. How is a man who is open to adaptability a pigheaded person?

Can we use the same logic for Babar/Rizwan not coming out for the super over? In the end it's not a good look if tailenders are batting above a batting captain, bro...

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You keep on living in a world where a 19 avg batter becomes a world beater.

What so many coaches. Aqib and saqlain are not proper coaches.

You need proper coaches to make strategies and develop a team.

The issue with babar and rizwan is not batting, its their approach what can be changed only a by coach.

The issue with the current team is that they dont even know how to bat and they are playing international cricket

They have a Messiah complex and believe their wicket matters more than others. That's why they bat that way and that's why they hog the openers spot.

 

[Major]

They have a Messiah complex and believe their wicket matters more than others. That's why they bat that way and that's why they hog the openers spot.

dont you beleive that a better coaching staff can change the strategy with the same set of guys?

Do you really think M. Harris can do well considering him and many others are now avging below 20 in t20? This is Imran Nazir all over again, and he was pretty terrible

 

[Rana]

Can we use the same logic for Babar/Rizwan not coming out for the super over? In the end it's not a good look if tailenders are batting above a batting captain, bro...

Bro, you cannot compare general match situations with the anomaly of a super over that takes place once maybe in 50 games. Sarfaraz generally demonstrated flexibility and adaptability. Babar and Rizwan never did until Hafeez forced Babar to bat at 3 with Saim opening.

The super over that day was not the general occasion where RizBar would send more attacking batters ahead of them.

 

[Major]

I knew it was going to fly over your head. What has Sarfaraz got to do with this? He would send tailenders ahead of him out of humility knowing they are better ball strikers than he is for the situation. Its one of his many successful tactics that ensured Pakistan were a number 1 T20 side during his captaincy. How is a man who is open to adaptability a pigheaded person?

Because even Sarfraz knew he was a liability that he decided to hide behind others.

During the captaincy of others his fans would whine that why Sarfraz wasnt sent earilier and now under his own captaincy with him hiding behind others, that is being praised lol.

 

[Rana]

Because even Sarfraz knew he was a liability that he decided to hide behind others.

During the captaincy of others his fans would whine that why Sarfraz wasnt sent earilier and now under his own captaincy with him hiding behind others, that is being praised lol.

At least Sarfaraz knew his limits and where he is causing Pakistan cricket harm! unlike your favourite never acknowledged his liability and insisted on causing more and more harm due to it. This is the issue, this is the reason why no one is buying the RizBar rubbish anymore. He also destroyed a decent prospect in Babar Azam, a player who Sarfaraz and Mickey did well to create and give to Pakistan!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

dont you beleive that a better coaching staff can change the strategy with the same set of guys?

Do you really think M. Harris can do well considering him and many others are now avging below 20 in t20? This is Imran Nazir all over again, and he was pretty terrible

No I no longer believe it.

I did for a small period of time with Babar Azam but Babar has taken no responsibility for his career. We can blame the coach but a top level player has a sense of responsibility to develop himself and his game. It isn't rocket science to develop fitness or develop new shots. It also isn't rocket science to understand that going at a run a ball isn't the way to play modern cricket.

Rizwan is a limited batsman; he has done tremendously well with his low batting capability but has hit his ceiling in T20.

Mohammed Haris may be terrible but really whats the harm in trying. We are losing matches anyway for 5 years with the RizBar strategy, what will change if we lose more?

It's different to say India who are reluctant to drop Kohli and Sharma because despite their age and sometimes poor form those guys step up in crunch games. What have Rizwan and Babar done that makes it difficult to move on from them?

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

No I no longer believe it.

I did for a small period of time with Babar Azam but Babar has taken no responsibility for his career. We can blame the coach but a top level player has a sense of responsibility to develop himself and his game. It isn't rocket science to develop fitness or develop new shots. It also isn't rocket science to understand that going at a run a ball isn't the way to play modern cricket.

Rizwan is a limited batsman; he has done tremendously well with his low batting capability but has hit his ceiling in T20.

Mohammed Haris may be terrible but really whats the harm in trying. We are losing matches anyway for 5 years with the RizBar strategy, what will change if we lose more?

It's different to say India who are reluctant to drop Kohli and Sharma because despite their age and sometimes poor form those guys step up in crunch games. What have Rizwan and Babar done that makes it difficult to move on from them?

I am willing to accept Kohli but Rohit is a certified hack, pure tulla FTB.

 

[jamie smith fan]

I am willing to accept Kohli but Rohit is a certified hack, pure tulla FTB.

Tendlia and Lara are also hacks then.

 

[Major]

At least Sarfaraz knew his limits and where he is causing Pakistan cricket harm! unlike your favourite never acknowledged his liability and insisted on causing more and more harm due to it. This is the issue, this is the reason why no one is buying the RizBar rubbish anymore. He also destroyed a decent prospect in Babar Azam, a player who Sarfaraz and Mickey did well to create and give to Pakistan!

Knew what? He became a fat pig. Misbah threw him out

Sarfraz created Babar? LMAOO, where you come up with these gems from.

Sarfraz only knew racism behind the stumps

 

[Major]

No I no longer believe it.

I did for a small period of time with Babar Azam but Babar has taken no responsibility for his career. We can blame the coach but a top level player has a sense of responsibility to develop himself and his game. It isn't rocket science to develop fitness or develop new shots. It also isn't rocket science to understand that going at a run a ball isn't the way to play modern cricket.

Rizwan is a limited batsman; he has done tremendously well with his low batting capability but has hit his ceiling in T20.

Mohammed Haris may be terrible but really whats the harm in trying. We are losing matches anyway for 5 years with the RizBar strategy, what will change if we lose more?

It's different to say India who are reluctant to drop Kohli and Sharma because despite their age and sometimes poor form those guys step up in crunch games. What have Rizwan and Babar done that makes it difficult to move on from them?

Rizwan did well due t a caoching staff available to him.

Point is, you will not win anything with 19 avging batsman. You need proper batters but with a proper support staff to help make you strategies.

Same Rizwan is a beast with Multan Sultans due to the coaching staff. In our forums the coaching staff is not looked into that seriously.

 

[Rana]

Knew what? He became a fat pig. Misbah threw him out

Sarfraz created Babar? LMAOO, where you come up with these gems from.

Sarfraz only knew racism behind the stumps

He became a fat pig and Misbah brought in a skunk?

 

[Major]

He became a fat pig and Misbah brought in a skunk?

No, I dont think Sharjeel was bought back

 

[Rana]

Same Rizwan is a beast with Multan Sultans due to the coaching staff

Beast? How???

Sohaib Maqsood clearly stated that the one PSL they won is because Rizwan would get out early in their big matches

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Tendlia and Lara are also hacks then.

Tendulker and Lara have fantastic test records. Rohit is an A grade tulla who chokes under pressure vs good teams. We have a Rohit in every mohalla here.

 

[Rana]

Sarfraz created Babar? LMAOO, where you come up with these gems from

Cry all you want. Its not something people want to own anymore. Sarfaraz was the one who raised these youngsters like his own kids. He and Mickey dealt with your SNGPL Tatti minded individuals like Hafeez to include Babar as the next big star of Pakistan cricket. This is the reason why that SNGPL snake Hafeez continues to secretly harbour hatred for Sarfaraz.

Oh well, its satisfying to see how all of those toxic decisions taken in 2019 under Imran Khan, Misbah and Wasim Khan are now coming back to haunt Pakistan cricket massively.

 

[Major]

Cry all you want. Its not something people want to own anymore. Sarfaraz was the one who raised these youngsters like his own kids. He and Mickey dealt with your SNGPL Tatti minded individuals like Hafeez to include Babar as the next big star of Pakistan cricket. This is the reason why that SNGPL snake Hafeez continues to secretly harbour hatred for Sarfaraz.

Oh well, its satisfying to see how all of those toxic decisions taken in 2019 under Imran Khan, Misbah and Wasim Khan are now coming back to haunt Pakistan cricket massively.

And than Sarfraz asked Bajwa to plz sir add me to the team. He even wore the generals suit to make them him happy.

A guy had to play dress up to get back in the team

 

[Mercurial]

It’s the most horrible selection ever. 6 players in the playing XI shouldn’t even be playing international cricket based on their mediocre stats and inexperience. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Bring back Rizwan and Babar. Select players with enough domestic cricket experience and decent stats.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Let the new guys fail for some time, atleast the hope of future for us...old games had enough opportunities. Need to forge their way back through performances

 

[topspin]

This is bol**x

they will not change their approach because they do not feel their approach is wrong. In fact, liars and clowns like you didnt feel anything was wrong with it too. You also said 40-0 is better than 66-1 in a T20 powerplay.

Look at this man acting all holier than thou now @topspin

It can be changed by coach, Misbah

 

[topspin]

The issue with babar and rizwan is not batting, its their approach what can be changed only a by coach.

So in other words bring Misbah back as coach?

 

[Major]

So in other words bring Misbah back as coach?

Bring Kirsten or some foreigner as coach

 

[RyanRyan10]

It’s the most horrible selection ever. 6 players in the playing XI shouldn’t even be playing international cricket based on their mediocre stats and inexperience. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Bring back Rizwan and Babar. Select players with enough domestic cricket experience and decent stats.

Who are those 6?

Hassan Nawaz, Agha Salman, Abdul Samad would be 3. Who are the other 3?

 

[shamaan]

They should have assessed the pitch better.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Markhor has worded it well already.

The solution was never to bring players in who might have high strike rate but avg 20 or below.

Your domestic avg gives a good indication how you will do in international cricket. The fact the line up is made up of haris, hassan nawaz, khushdil, irfan, saman is just a joke.

Whats even more of a joke is that these guys replaced babar and rizwan.

The babar and rizwan issue is just a coaching/strategy issue and nothing else. The rest of the players selection makes no sense at all.

The desperation to replace babar and rizwan with such players is just a hilariois endeavor, and confirms my theory that come ICC t20 tournament, babar and rizwan will be back in the squad

Babar and Rizwan were always going to come back because fans like you dont even tolerate a single loss without them.

Yet they accept 3 years of non-stop losses with Rizbar in the team.

You know what insanity is?

Keep repeating same things and expecting different results.

See the hypocrisy in your post?

You are basically saying you are happy to lose with Rizbar for 5 years but are unwilling to lose a single game without Rizbar in team.

 

[Major]

Babar and Rizwan were always going to come back because fans like you dont even tolerate a single loss without them.

Yet they accept 3 years of non-stop losses with Rizbar in the team.

You know what insanity is?

Keep repeating same things and expecting different results.

See the hypocrisy in your post?

You are basically saying you are happy to lose with Rizbar for 5 years but are unwilling to lose a single game without Rizbar in team.

I have an issue with losing with Rizwan and Babar too.

My view is that bring in a proper coaching set up, dont bother them. Let them build the team and build the teams approach.

The fact that Chairman drops babar and the coach wants him etc, makes no sense.

You bring Babar and Rizwan today under this set up, we will still lose.

Point is, we are focussing on the wrong thing. Coach set up matters alot, and if that it not being fixed thatn results will still be the same no matter who is opening.

 

[mominsaigol]

I have an issue with losing with Rizwan and Babar too.

My view is that bring in a proper coaching set up, dont bother them. Let them build the team and build the teams approach.

The fact that Chairman drops babar and the coach wants him etc, makes no sense.

You bring Babar and Rizwan today under this set up, we will still lose.

Point is, we are focussing on the wrong thing. Coach set up matters alot, and if that it not being fixed thatn results will still be the same no matter who is opening.

Brother this makes zero sense.

T20 os the shortest format. Having 2 world class t20 batsmen + 2 world class t20 bowlers is enough to secure a win.

Even if they didn't have bowlers they shouldn't be losing to USA lol with scores of 44 of 43.

Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar and Saim.

^^ If these guys were your 4 world class t20 players Pakistan would be damn near unstoppable. T20 is a format where it literally just takes one finn Allen on a good day to secure victory for NZ.

The fact that we'll still lose by brining ba/riz back just shows that their poor t20 players.

This whole coaching thing is a farce. These guys are grown adults in their 30's. Not little kids. Coaching helps but basic things such as playing lofted strokes in t20 is common knowledge.

You don't need a coach to tell you that. It's a shame that Babar can't loft though since he's techicnally sound against pace excluding that 3rd offstump line where everyone including Sachin struggled against.

 

[mominsaigol]

Cry all you want. Its not something people want to own anymore. Sarfaraz was the one who raised these youngsters like his own kids. He and Mickey dealt with your SNGPL Tatti minded individuals like Hafeez to include Babar as the next big star of Pakistan cricket. This is the reason why that SNGPL snake Hafeez continues to secretly harbour hatred for Sarfaraz.

Oh well, its satisfying to see how all of those toxic decisions taken in 2019 under Imran Khan, Misbah and Wasim Khan are now coming back to haunt Pakistan cricket massively.

Before this t20 series, we also got the most number of rotations under sarfi as well.

Openers

1) Shehzad
2) Fakhar
3) Kamran Akmal
4) Imam
5) Abid Ali
6) Shan
7) Babar
8) Azhar
9) Hafeez
10) Shabzada Farhan
11) Sharjeel

Middle order to lower order

1) Hafeez
2) Malik
3) Hussain Talat
4) imad Wasim
5) shadab
6) nawaz
7) rizwan
8) Haris sohail
9) faheem ashraf
10) Umar Akmal
11) Malik
12) Asif Ali

Bowlers

1) Shaheen
2) Amir
3) Junaid Khan
4) Hasan Ali
5) Wahab riaz
6) Sohail Khan
7) Rumman Raees
8) Usman Khan Shinwari
9) waqas Mahmood


^^ These were the no of players tried until a perfect combination was found for both formats.

Ba/riz era has alot less until Babar was removed as captain and aqib came along.

During babar's era besides Abdullah, Saud, Naseem, Chacha and Agha

The main duo of rizwan, Babar, Imam, Shaheen, Nawaz, Rauf etc etc went no where. Hardly any rotations during babar being captain.

 

[Major]

Brother this makes zero sense.

T20 os the shortest format. Having 2 world class t20 batsmen + 2 world class t20 bowlers is enough to secure a win.

Even if they didn't have bowlers they shouldn't be losing to USA lol with scores of 44 of 43.

Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar and Saim.

^^ If these guys were your 4 world class t20 players Pakistan would be damn near unstoppable. T20 is a format where it literally just takes one finn Allen on a good day to secure victory for NZ.

The fact that we'll still lose by brining ba/riz back just shows that their poor t20 players.

This whole coaching thing is a farce. These guys are grown adults in their 30's. Not little kids. Coaching helps but basic things such as playing lofted strokes in t20 is common knowledge.

You don't need a coach to tell you that. It's a shame that Babar can't loft though since he's techicnally sound against pace excluding that 3rd offstump line where everyone including Sachin struggled against.

You are right, we should not had lost to USA. But why we lost that game? Because Naqvi decided to meddle with the squads. They had babar bought in as captain and than added players that were not good enough.

Whether they are 40 years old, a coaching set up is always needed in sports to adopt the approach and strategy.

One of the best things about Babar was that he could score runs by playing shots on the ground. Something that Kamran Akmal and Umar Akmal did for a very short period of time.

We dont need coaching for basics like how to bat etc. Thats what people confuse coaching for. We need a coach to develop an approach.

In cricket either you can have a Captain who has more control and decides the strategy or you can have a coach. While i would give Salman a chance, but i still believe we need a proper dressing room with proper coaches.

 

[Rana]

You are right, we should not had lost to USA. But why we lost that game? Because Naqvi decided to meddle with the squads

Yeah we lost the game because Naqvi was the one who scored 15-4 in the powerplay v USA

 

[Rana]

@Major what is your issue in admitting Babar and Rizwan are simply crap? What does Naqvi have to do with them being an embarrassment for modern standards? Who is Kristian? How is Kristian going to turn Babar and Rizwan into Bairstow and Roy?

 

[mominsaigol]

I salute you for actually taking this guy seriously

He doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about

I don't get the logic of give babar a batting coach and chnage the entire coaching setup.

Kristen wanted to axe rizwan and babar from t20 as well?

Our best coach was mickey and even then only due to sarfi intervening.

Mickey was happy with shehzad opening and actually had fakhar play at 4 in t20, it was Sarfaraz who had enough and brought fakhar to open despite mickey telling him the dangers of opening with a debutant in a semi.

Then imad wasim was brought out of the blue thank to sarfi. Imad was no where in contention of being brought back until sarfi as VC suggested to azhar to bring imad on since he and imad played together during 2006 under 19.

Babar was also pushed to no 3 because sarfi wanted it and his original vision was all format no 3, odi, test and t20. He was completly against babar opening until he had no option but to try a fakhar babar opening combo in t20.

Mickey has dome some good though, Shaheen was his idea, then he was the one who convinced hafeez to move down. But 90% of the work including brining Amir, and malik into the mix was sarfi.

You need a foreign coach with a sharp cricketing mind as captain because the captain obviously understands his domestic structure better then the foreing coach who's main goal is to set a mindsight rather then building it from the ground up.

Kristen probably wanted rizwan and babar out as captains cause he can't work with an idiot.

 

[Rana]

Kristen wanted to axe rizwan and babar from t20 as well?

But Major thinks Kristian is someone’s phuppi da puttar who you can suddenly ask to join the team and transform Rizwan and Babar into modern T20 openers

 

[Major]

I don't get the logic of give babar a batting coach and chnage the entire coaching setup.

Kristen wanted to axe rizwan and babar from t20 as well?

Our best coach was mickey and even then only due to sarfi intervening.

Mickey was happy with shehzad opening and actually had fakhar play at 4 in t20, it was Sarfaraz who had enough and brought fakhar to open despite mickey telling him the dangers of opening with a debutant in a semi.

Then imad wasim was brought out of the blue thank to sarfi. Imad was no where in contention of being brought back until sarfi as VC suggested to azhar to bring imad on since he and imad played together during 2006 under 19.

Babar was also pushed to no 3 because sarfi wanted it and his original vision was all format no 3, odi, test and t20. He was completly against babar opening until he had no option but to try a fakhar babar opening combo in t20.

Mickey has dome some good though, Shaheen was his idea, then he was the one who convinced hafeez to move down. But 90% of the work including brining Amir, and malik into the mix was sarfi.

You need a foreign coach with a sharp cricketing mind as captain because the captain obviously understands his domestic structure better then the foreing coach who's main goal is to set a mindsight rather then building it from the ground up.

Kristen probably wanted rizwan and babar out as captains cause he can't work with an idiot.

naa, imad was next in line to play for Pakistan once Afridi was to retire. He was the next upcoming allrounder. Plus, Sheikh Shakil was his main backer so Imad had the backing aswell. But he did deserve his debut.

I agree 100% with what you have said, captain has a big part. But that varies on captain to captain aswell.

Babar was not needed as captain, that was PCBs mistake. Rizwan will continue as captain in odis but he needs a coach that assists him aswell. I am also fed up with Rizwan trying to use religion to influence the team and that will blow up big time, but we will still need Babar and Rizwan in t20s in future.

 

[Major]

But Major thinks Kristian is someone’s phuppi da puttar who you can suddenly ask to join the team and transform Rizwan and Babar into modern T20 openers

why dont you admit your favorite PCB chairman messed up with Kirsten