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14/4 in the powerplay against New Zealand in first T20I! I thought Pakistan were to become world beaters after dropping Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam

Should Pakistan stick with the Rizwan-Babar in T20Is or focus on developing the next generation?

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Rana said:
What was it again….

“There are no Vivs or Pontings waiting in our domestics”
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They will always try to tell you there is no talent in Pakistan. Misbah and his prodgies. Azhar Mahmood types. They will always tell you this so you SETTLE with mediocrity. You settle with defeats and just be okay with stat padding. The level of brain rot, and psy op that was done to Pakistan cricket in the past half decade has been insane.
 
I don't think Major took anyone's name but yeah, today is not his day...

Relax
 
Major said:
14/4 in the Power Play is the 2nd worst for Pakistan.

We were told around here how Babar and Rizwan are making this team weak and not allowing us reach our true potential. World beaters like Haris were being kept out etc.

Pakistan were 1/3. At one point even I was confused whether the scoring format had been changed.

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This is why I was against this thread.

All reactionary fans. Now the people will be tilted on the other side that Pakistan is world beaters now. People need to be calm and make conclusions after the series is done. Not after 1 or 2 games.
 
NeVerMind said:
I can see Agha as an all format Kuptaan...is improving in every single game
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Agha is fighter and I like his attitude . Also the last CT game vs kiwis he clearly looked unhappy with Babar and Rizwan approach .
 
We need to calm down a bit and not put unnecessary pressure on these youngsters.
After 100 games rizbar were still given chances,dont these players deserve atleast 10-15 games even if they fail in next 2 games.
today they showed rizbar how t20s are played and still saim and haider are yet to come.
Expeect fireworks from hereon and enjoy urselves.Rizbar in t20s is a closed chapter now.
 
Rizbar should never be allowed to enter T20 team again. Also Shaheen, Naseem, Shadab & Rauf must be dropped forever. These guys have damaged Pakistan cricket a lot
 
jamie smith said:
We need to calm down a bit and not put unnecessary pressure on these youngsters.
After 100 games rizbar were still given chances,dont these players deserve atleast 10-15 games even if they fail in next 2 games.
today they showed rizbar how t20s are played and still saim and haider are yet to come.
Expeect fireworks from hereon and enjoy urselves.Rizbar in t20s is a closed chapter now.
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These youngsters deserve 2 world cups let alone 10-15 games

Just draw a line under it.
 
zaidihusain said:
Rizbar should never be allowed to enter T20 team again. Also Shaheen, Naseem, Shadab & Rauf must be dropped forever. These guys have damaged Pakistan cricket a lot
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Disagree with the bowlers part.

Those guys did a lot to make RizBar apparently useful to some extent. They deserve their fair chance now with explosive players playing for the team.
 
Rauf bowled well tbh.
Rest 3 should be shown the door.

Hassan
Saim
Haris
Agha
Haider
Niazi
Khushdil
Minhas
Abbas
Abrar
Rauf

Fireworks all around.
 
Rana said:
What was it again….

“There are no Vivs or Pontings waiting in our domestics”
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That there is no talent in Pakistan, was once said even by Misbah, and continued to be peddled by naysayers of Pakistan cricket and holding it hostage. Pakistan has talent, what it hasn’t had is courage
 
IMO PCB should ban Rizwan from psl also as he puts a negative effect on young players and influences them to statpad.
 
BouncerGuy said:
YOU GUYS ARE NOT LISTENING
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I am sorry @BouncerGuy but you are wrong here. We all are very old posters on this forum. I would recommend restoring the posts. This is what this makes this forum alive. Censuring any opinion is not okay. No ones personally attacking anyone but exposing people with agendas. Personally attacking is abusing etc. None of thats happening. People should see consequences of things they say. You cannot protect them just like that? I was hounded by Indian fans for my opinion on champions trophy, and rightly so. Theres nothing wrong in calling people out.
 
Slim said:
I am sorry @BouncerGuy but you are wrong here. We all are very old posters on this forum. I would recommend restoring the posts. This is what this makes this forum alive. Censuring any opinion is not okay. No ones personally attacking anyone but exposing people with agendas. Personally attacking is abusing etc. None of thats happening. People should see consequences of things they say. You cannot protect them just like that? I was hounded by Indian fans for my opinion on champions trophy, and rightly so. Theres nothing wrong in calling people out.
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This is where you are wrong.

If you guys are gonna gang up and start trolling others because it is your day then we have to keep the things in check...


START FRESH AND PRESENT YOUR POINT IN A SENSIBLE WAY
 
Basing everything off averages and not focusing on improving on the very thing that can make your team competitive is what has been costing Pakistan where it matters.

May today encourage our domestic players including those who’ve been dropped to play fearlessly every innings. Get better at clever attacking cricket and be backed for doing so even if you get out trying.

There will be bad days from this approach but at least it gives us a chance to truly improve over the next few years.
 
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Excellent stuff , a comprehensive win back against the wall type stuff , keep it up Pakistan definitely need some hard hitting players
 
Ya T20 batting has oflate become.all or nothing style approach. Pakistannhas finally come to the party. Key thing is they didn't drop anyone.
 
Great performance today although I have yet to watch the highlights....
Stick with youth, they will inevitably fail again, but you can't go backwards.
 
Rana said:
The system is OK now?
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The system is absolutely not ok...
We may be able to rewind to the 80's/90's if we select youngsters, particularly for the T20 format, and hope these youngsters develop their game playing international cricket.

Change the system and employ proper management, coaches and a competitive first class system, then you'll see consistency.
You can aim for inconsistent brilliance or you can aim to be the best in the world..
 
IMMY69 said:
The system is absolutely not ok...
We may be able to rewind to the 80's/90's if we select youngsters, particularly for the T20 format, and hope these youngsters develop their game playing international cricket.

Change the system and employ proper management, coaches and a competitive first class system, then you'll see consistency.
You can aim for inconsistent brilliance or you can aim to be the best in the world..
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Yeah sorry the system messed up when Imran Khan wanted to turn it into Australia.
 
Rana said:
Yeah sorry the system messed up when Imran Khan wanted to turn it into Australia.
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Just when I think we can have a proper discussion you revert to being immature.

I have been wrong in the past, I will be wrong again in the future. But at least I'm mature enough to admit it and learn.
You seem to be on PP just to prove to everyone that you're right eat and every time... Well here's something for you to ponder, not everyone is here to pick fights with others...
 
^^
By the way, I'm not saying IK was right or wrong..
I also don't blame him for our cricketing woes... Our system needs changing and that's a fact.
 
Kianig89 said:
Enjoy the moment and let's hope we have more of these days , special thanks to Eden Park , one of the smallest grounds in the world
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Bobzie the King on the same ground last year.
 

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Good performance, lets hope this PP scoring can be repeated in more matches.

If its consistent, than sure we can move on from Rizwan and Babar from T20. But if its a one time thing, or once in a blue moon habit, than the issue will still stand.
 
Major said:
Good performance, lets hope this PP scoring can be repeated in more matches.

If its consistent, than sure we can move on from Rizwan and Babar from T20. But if its a one time thing, or once in a blue moon habit, than the issue will still stand.
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If it’s not consistent, then we don’t move on from Babar and Rizwan in T20s?
 
Rana said:
If it’s not consistent, then we don’t move on from Babar and Rizwan in T20s?
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You will go back to them if its not consistent.

Butt if its consistent than their is no need for Babar and Rizwan in t20. You can keep Babar in the squad as a benchwarmer if required.

But i think such performance will force Babar to up his game now
 
Major said:
you is murad, Pakistan team. Not you personally yara
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Pakistan team will go back to RizBar or they first will go back to Nawaz and Harris when Saim and Fakhar have had their time?
 
Rana said:
Pakistan team will go back to RizBar or they first will go back to Nawaz and Harris when Saim and Fakhar have had their time?
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When Saim and Fakhar are back, and if these two are consistent aswell, than these two will have to be adjusted in the middle order.
Fakhar and Saim stay as openers. No way should Fakhar be required to adjust anymore.

But out of htese fours is there is inconsisstency than Babar or Rizwan would be bought back. Haris isnt consisstent, so all eyes are going to be on him.
 
Rana said:
So Pakistan take 100 steps backwards?
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You can look at it either way, but im not fully sold on these guys on one match, if they are consisstent than i will agree that now is the time to move from Rizwan and Babar from T20.
 
Major said:
You can look at it either way, but im not fully sold on these guys on one match, if they are consisstent than i will agree that now is the time to move from Rizwan and Babar from T20.
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Because your lens of viewing what’s the correct way is flawed.

I think you should spend more of your energy working out what’s the right way for Pakistan cricket to improve in the WTC. Don’t worry about the T20 side. Just enjoy it.
 
Rana said:
Because your lens of viewing what’s the correct way is flawed.

I think you should spend more of your energy working out what’s the right way for Pakistan cricket to improve in the WTC. Don’t worry about the T20 side. Just enjoy it.
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In WTC, captaincy matters the most.

Dont worry, whoever gets selected for ICC tournaments or PSL (IU) i just enjoy it. I dont go crazy if Rizwan or Babar are not there. Woh fanning sirf aek bandey kay leyaye thee jo 2019 mein rite hua

I dont care which player gets selected, unless they are fixers or is Azam Khan.

You assume as if I am some die hard fan of Rizwan.
 
Players like Harris cannot be consistent but these are the players required for T20, why do you need a consistent stat padder in T20?
 
Rana said:
Disagree with the bowlers part.

Those guys did a lot to make RizBar apparently useful to some extent. They deserve their fair chance now with explosive players playing for the team.
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You definitely have a point but I am particularly disappointed with the downfall of Shaheen & Shadab. They guys should have improved their game across all formats but they are underachievers
 
Rana said:
Because your lens of viewing what’s the correct way is flawed.

I think you should spend more of your energy working out what’s the right way for Pakistan cricket to improve in the WTC. Don’t worry about the T20 side. Just enjoy it.
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This reading of the game is exactly what you get when an individual sees cricket through the lens of Misbah.
 
zaidihusain said:
You definitely have a point but I am particularly disappointed with the downfall of Shaheen & Shadab. They guys should have improved their game across all formats but they are underachievers
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Shaheen is fine. He’s a good cricketer overall. Just needs to tone down a bit with his overconfidence

Shadab needs to up his game big time.
 
Rana said:
Shaheen is fine. He’s a good cricketer overall. Just needs to tone down a bit with his overconfidence

Shadab needs to up his game big time.
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Shaheen is fine. Shadab is fine. Pakistan team is fine. Naqvi is doing a great job. How one win has changed your perspective on everything. When your chest thumping is done, we can have a proper discussion.
 
The mindset is important.

They have shown a change in intent and that will be far more important than who is executing the plan. It can be Nawaz, Saim, Fakhar, Haris, or someone else.

Consistent winning will take time but once these guys settle, the mindset change will help play modern cricket in big moments.
 
gazza619 said:
Shaheen is fine. Shadab is fine. Pakistan team is fine. Naqvi is doing a great job. How one win has changed your perspective on everything. When your chest thumping is done, we can have a proper discussion.
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A proper discussion on what? You will argue that Babar and Rizwan are the way to go?
 
Horribly immature thread that only an extremely biased and individual-loving person can come up with.

Rizwan is a horrible T20 player and he always will be.
 
You can't expect Hassan or Haris to be consistent when they go for risks from the start.
 
shamaan said:
You can't expect Hassan or Haris to be consistent when they go for risks from the start.
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T20 is all about taking risk upfront... so i am ok if they start smashing from ball 1 and in doing so if they lose their wicket then wont be a big deal.
 
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