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14 dead, over 90 injured in clash between PAT workers, police in Model Town, Lahore

If I were a conspiracy theorist, there would not been any doubt in my mind that everything that has happened, starting from Geo attacking ISI post Hamid Mir incident, has been part of a plan to topple the govt. and impose a neutral set up (martial law) in the country. The Lahore incident seems to be another important step towards that goal.
 
^ You are not a conspiracy theorist. You understand things. This is why even though I disagree with you on many occasions, I still read your posts and point of view because your analysis is spot on.

I will add that NW operation is also part of the same plan. NS never wanted it, but had to own it coz he had no choice.

Also, the govt rounded up PAT leaders in Islamabad with the excuse of having talks with them, but then arrested them. THis is the problem with sharifs. They think everything can be fixed by force. They are digging their own grave with such moves
 
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^ You are not a conspiracy theorist. You understand things. This is why even though I disagree with you on many occasions, I still read your posts and point of view because your analysis is spot on.

I will add that NW operation is also part of the same plan. NS never wanted it, but had to own it coz he had no choice.

Also, the govt rounded up PAT leaders in Islamabad with the excuse of having talks with them, but then arrested them. THis is the problem with sharifs. They think everything can be fixed by force. They are digging their own grave with such moves

Agree. The Sharif govt. was still trying to drag their feet about the NW operation but after the Karachi incident and overbearing pressure from the Army, gave in and reluctantly went with it.

I used to think that after the Musharraf ouster and the restoration of the populist hyper nationalist judiciary, an army take over has become next to impossible. But the truth is, Zardari's PPP despite having a coalition set up unlike the current govt. who has 2/3rd majority, knew how to play the game, how to pacify opponents, calm down the media and keep army happy. He kept his friends close and enemies closer. In the process, he ended up destroying the economy of the country but at least democracy, in some form and shape, limped forward, paving the way to a new set up. Sharif seems unable to learn from his past mistakes. He could have let Mushy go abroad, he could have listened to Army's advice about the TTP earlier, he could have earnestly taken up the election rigging case and pacified IK to some degree. So now here we are. A 2/3rd majority govt. feeling scared and threatened by a two bit Mullah from Canada.

Two forces which stood in the way of an army intervention were the media and judiciary. One has been rendered toothless, with the biggest group still reeling from the onslaught and from now onwards will not dare cross Army's path. The other being painted controversial and ineffectual by the day. TUQ, PML-Q and co. moving forward. Sharif backing off in disarray. Army waiting for the right time to strike. Brilliant.
 
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Agree. The Sharif govt. was still trying to drag their feet about the NW operation but after the Karachi incident and overbearing pressure from the Army, gave in and reluctantly went with it.

I used to think that after the Musharraf ouster and the restoration of the populist hyper nationalist judiciary, an army take over has become next to impossible. But the truth is, Zardari's PPP despite having a coalition set up unlike the current govt. who has 2/3rd majority, knew how to play the game, how to pacify opponents, calm down the media and keep army happy. He kept his friends close and enemies closer. In the process, he ended up destroying the economy of the country but at least democracy, in some form and shape, limped forward, paving the way to a new set up. Sharif seems unable to learn from his past mistakes. He could have let Mushy go abroad, he could have listened to Army's advice about the TTP earlier, he could have earnestly taken up the election rigging case and pacified IK to some degree. So now here we are. A 2/3rd majority govt. feeling scared and threatened by a two bit Mullah from Canada.

Two forces which stood in the way of an army intervention were the media and judiciary. One has been rendered toothless, with the biggest group still reeling from the onslaught and from now onwards will not dare cross Army's path. The other being painted controversial and ineffectual by the day. TUQ, PML-Q and co. moving forward. Sharif backing off in disarray. Army waiting for the right time to strike. Brilliant.

A strong media and free judiciary is never going to guarantee that the military is going to stay out of power. There is only one thing that can make it certain, good governance. PML-N has not proven much over the first year. They are hell bent on revenge and gaining all the power. They are dropping the proverbial ace on their own foot. The army forced them to remover those barriers at 2 in the morning? Army told them to take sides when the Geo fiasco unfolded? The downfall of the PML-N would be Sharif's reliability on Pervez Rasheed, Khawaja Asif, Khawaja Saad, and a few others in the cabinet who don't know when to shut up. He needs to listen more to Shabaz and Ch Nisar.
 
A strong media and free judiciary is never going to guarantee that the military is going to stay out of power. There is only one thing that can make it certain, good governance. PML-N has not proven much over the first year. They are hell bent on revenge and gaining all the power. They are dropping the proverbial ace on their own foot. The army forced them to remover those barriers at 2 in the morning? Army told them to take sides when the Geo fiasco unfolded? The downfall of the PML-N would be Sharif's reliability on Pervez Rasheed, Khawaja Asif, Khawaja Saad, and a few others in the cabinet who don't know when to shut up. He needs to listen more to Shabaz and Ch Nisar.

More than good governance, they should not have made so many mistakes with regards to Mushy, Geo, TUQ etc. And democracy demands that a govt.'s mandate be respected, you can't just fire them because they are not governing properly. But Sharif's ego and vindictive nature has been the biggest hurdle and now he is paying the price. I for one won't mind if this govt. gets overthrown. It will only pave the way for Bilawal in a few years. As history goes, every army govt. is usually followed by a PPP govt.
 
I for one won't mind if this govt. gets overthrown. It will only pave the way for Bilawal in a few years. As history goes, every army govt. is usually followed by a PPP govt.

and also as per cycle Army general will be forced to leave because of public/political protests leaving behind a huge mess, from economy to grievances among a province/nationalists for PPP to clear and bear during its proceeding term.
Look Just two back to back elections have resulted is marked improvement in governance in every province/Baluchistan mess exacerbated by Musharaf is being normalized slowly by efforts of both consecutive PPP and PMLN govts/all political parties until TUQ drama seemed to agree on a centrist agenda. At least give them some time they are not ideal neither PPP was not Nawaz is. Nawaz is not a revolutionary neither do he claim, he will is not the person to do societal engineering toward liberal one but he will at least somehow bring economy on track during his term, once the political system is running and gets mature we can always go societal engineering/ideological alignments.
 
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Look Just two back to back elections have resulted is marked improvement in governance in every province/Baluchistan mess exacerbated by Musharaf is being normalized slowly by efforts of both consecutive PPP and PMLN govts/all political parties until TUQ drama seemed to agree on a centrist agenda. At least give them some time they are not ideal neither PPP was not Nawaz is. Nawaz is not a revolutionary neither do he claim, he will is not the person to do societal engineering toward liberal one but he will at least somehow bring economy on track during his term, once the political system is running and gets mature we can always go societal engineering/ideological alignments.

I beg to differ. Things were running much better during Mushy's time, the economy was booming, growth rates were high, there was relative peace and the provinces were being run much better. As for Balochistan, minus the Bugti incident, Balochistan witnessed its biggest developmental phase during Mush, and please explain what should be done to a man who forms a militia and take up arms against the govt. and starts attacking its army. In any civilized country that person deserved to be captured to spend the rest of his life in jail or killed. I have zero hope from Nawaz with regards to the economy after their performance so far. Their plan is nothing more than taking loans, raising debt, letting tax evaders go free and putting the burden on the salaried middle and lower classes. The proportion of the budget which goes towards education have been slashed even further by them than the last govt. This is not getting better with time but worse. Still, I'm with you for giving them more time. I just see them blundering that away to a point where there will be no choice but for the army to step up.
 
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I beg to differ. Things were running much better during Mushy's time, the economy was booming, growth rates were high, there was relative peace and the provinces were being run much better. As for Balochistan, minus the Bugti incident, Balochistan witnessed its biggest developmental phase during Mush, and please explain what should be done to a man who forms a militia and take up arms against the govt. and starts attacking its army. In any civilized country that person deserved to be captured to spend the rest of his life in jail or killed. I have zero hope from Nawaz with regards to the economy after their performance so far. Their plan is nothing more than taking loans, raising debt, letting tax evaders go free and putting the burden on the salaried middle and lower classes. The proportion of the budget which goes towards education have been slashed even further by them than the last govt. This is not getting better with time but worse. Still, I'm with you for giving them more time. I just see them blundering that away to a point where there will be no choice but for the army to step up.

Musharaff did good things but some bad that have long term impacts at the end of the day when he left it was a midst a political mess; economy was actually going down during end of his tenure because of looming power crisis. first bad impact is obvious institutional development(a necessity to provide intricate balance for a multi ethnic country) was badly hindered because of dictatorship now to more visible ones
No/little expansion of power generation that is one mistake for which PPP govt had to bear all the brunt and they(+democratic setup) looked far worse than they actually were.

No public consensus on WOT there was strange obscure "double" things happening , he created nuisance of MMA to make things more obscure, it was during PPP govt things got clear with public consensus and as a result country faced and survived bloody retaliations because politicians( PPP/ANP) were always among people to face it.

As for Baluchistan a temporary lull was created with some stick(I know how angry were nationalists during that time), when volcano erupts we faced one of the worst crisis in Baluchistan about 5 years ago, it was evil Zardari who at that time start the reconciliation process because of which yesterday a middle class Bal0ch nationalist CM Dr Malik Baloch presented a budget with 25 % allocation for education this is what I call real improvement.

Now on education point After 18th amendment education has largely been shifted to provinces(or being shifted every year) and all provinces has allocated record percentages in current budget.

As for loans this is an issue and there is a reason for it we dont have time and need some things quickly; Loans are basically for two things economic corridor and energy and the reason is China has decided the develop its west for which the corridor will be firstly used and China will not wait for us to do things slowly, second is china has reached the limit to which cheap manufacturing can lift standard of living of its 1.3 billion people and has decided to move to advanced manufacturing, we want some share of its cheap manufacturing (that it will be shifting to other countries) and at the same time want a share of soon to be installed high end manufacturing, this could be jackpot considering our location and for all this to happen we need instant excess energy .Finally what I think is that this democratic setup is faulty but it is should continue without big jerks.
 
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Is voting for PPP or any party haram or halal since we are voting for man made laws?
 
Musharaff did good things but some bad that have long term impacts at the end of the day when he left it was a midst a political mess; economy was actually going down during end of his tenure because of looming power crisis. first bad impact is obvious institutional development(a necessity to provide intricate balance for a multi ethnic country) was badly hindered because of dictatorship now to more visible ones
No/little expansion of power generation that is one mistake for which PPP govt had to bear all the brunt and they(+democratic setup) looked far worse than they actually were.

No public consensus on WOT there was strange obscure "double" things happening , he created nuisance of MMA to make things more obscure, it was during PPP govt things got clear with public consensus and as a result country faced and survived bloody retaliations because politicians( PPP/ANP) were always among people to face it.

As for Baluchistan a temporary lull was created with some stick(I know how angry were nationalists during that time), when volcano erupts we faced one of the worst crisis in Baluchistan about 5 years ago, it was evil Zardari who at that time start the reconciliation process because of which yesterday a middle class Bal0ch nationalist CM Dr Malik Baloch presented a budget with 25 % allocation for education this is what I call real improvement.

Now on education point After 18th amendment education has largely been shifted to provinces(or being shifted every year) and all provinces has allocated record percentages in current budget.

As for loans this is an issue and there is a reason for it we dont have time and need some things quickly; Loans are basically for two things economic corridor and energy and the reason is China has decided the develop its west for which the corridor will be firstly used and China will not wait for us to do things slowly, second is china has reached the limit to which cheap manufacturing can lift standard of living of its 1.3 billion people and has decided to move to advanced manufacturing, we want some share of its cheap manufacturing (that it will be shifting to other countries) and at the same time want a share of soon to be installed high end manufacturing, this could be jackpot considering our location and for all this to happen we need instant excess energy .Finally what I think is that this democratic setup is faulty but it is should continue without big jerks.

There were several reasons why Mushy's graph was declining in the last year of his govt. Without getting into details, I believe a lot has to do with his own aheivements. E.g. the very things he built, like a thriving private media and a growing middle class, turned against him. The judiciary debacle was a big factor plus he seemed insulated in a bubble, surrounded by sycophants and unable to read the pulse of the nation. The energy crisis was because they could not keep up with the high growth rate and demand for energy, something every rapidly growing country experiences.

In any case, I'm not trying to argue here that the military should run the govt. indefinitely. There has to be a political set up. As for institution building, who is reponsible for building the strongest most vibrant institutition without which any democratic set up is incomplete. After two PPP and PML's democratic govt.'s, yes, the media is Mushy's biggest gift (some would say curse) to us. What other institution are we talking about here, the judiciary. Well, you can see what an "independent and proactive" judiciary can do to a nation, after watching Chaudry's court play to the galleries and make a mockery of the whole judicial system.

As for WOT, what national consensus were you looking for from an illiterate, conservative and highly polarized nation. We had to go in, otherwise India would have given up its bases and we would be cut off from the world and become Afghanistan. The MMA thing, I agree happened because other legitimate political parties were out but hey, they crashed miserably and people of KP learned from their mistake, giving ANP the mandate next time around.

Point is we don't have a long time to run this thing till we finally get it right. We got a war at our hands, an economy which is crashing and a populace burdened with load shedding and inflation. Instead of handling the issue, the current set up is making things worse, the TUQ thing is a prime example. I'm all for democracy but also wish we don't turn into another Syria or Iraq. This govt. needs to get its act right or else let the khaki's sort it out in their own way.
 
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SS directly interviews DPO's for each role and often bypasses the IGP. Thats the chain of command.. if SS can take credit for anything else done under his gov or by the state then this should too fall onto his list of responsibility.

Here have a read of this.

Return of the Gullu brigade

In Gullu Butt’s shape, the filth and puss of our political system, so carefully covered up under a shiny crust of glitzy infrastructural development, bubbled to the surface like an overflowing gutter. In a rage of orchestrated frenzy, Gullu smashed cars and smashed the façade of efficient governance.
Can all the king’s horses and all the king’s men put Humpty Dumpty together again? Within the noxious mound of political muck, Gullu Butt is a small creepy crawly with big fangs. But he symbolises the dark underbelly of a structure that reeks of pungent hypocrisy. This is a structure lovingly constructed to hide the rot within; a system that believes not in curing the festering and bleeding wound, but wrapping it up inside an expensive bandage. But then Gullus of the world crawl out of this wound, bloodying the bandage and exposing the unhealed skin and bone inside.
Ten people dead. Or is it twelve? Men and women cut down in a hail of bullets in the heart of Lahore by those who are pledged to defend them. State-owned automatic weapons spitting fire and death on streets that cradle the routine of life. Steel tipped ammunition rounds slamming into abdominals, necks and faces, rupturing arteries, cracking skulls and exploding jaws. And snuffing life. Children orphaned, wives widowed, husbands carrying the limp bodies of their wives. A bloody carnage in a city which boasts of dizzying development. Shocking? Not really. There is something terribly wrong in the State of Pakistan, and we all know it. Amidst tall promises and emotional commitments; amidst flowery political rhetoric and nauseatingly sweetened speeches — the stench of reality is unmistakable. This stench wafts around our daily lives and reminds us that we live beneath the umbrella of a predator state. The police kill people every day. Those they do not kill, they maim through torture. Every day in every thana of every district of every province, citizens of Pakistan are brutalised with institutional efficiency. This is life in Pakistan. Here we beat people with abandon and with state sanction. Here we pull out their nails, hang them upside down and lash them till their backs are a bloody pulp. This is accepted. This is how the power game is played.
And this is where we go horribly wrong. Leaders regurgitated by this system onto us, and then presented as poster boys for the Democratic Dividend Project, end up becoming prisoners of the very system that made them into what they are. They are unable or unwilling to reform institutions, so they pour their heart and soul into concrete and mortar.
But the wound keeps bleeding puss. The rot within institutions keeps spreading like a deadly virus. Injustice breeds tyranny and tyranny explodes into carnage, splattering blood over concrete and mortar, only to be wiped clean with impressive efficiency by imported machinery that is a mark of development and admirable service delivery. The stench of reality grows ever more strong.
And so does the irony. It’s like when you take a wrong turn, you may drive as fast as you wish, you will still end up at the wrong place. We are driving headlong into a dark abyss. Governments are pouring billions of rupees into institutions so that they regress with greater efficiency. Policemen are being given the latest equipment so they can suppress Pakistanis with greater ease. Thousands of cops are being recruited so that more men are available to fulfill the torture and killing requirements of a burgeoning population. Can medieval minds cope with modernity? It took a Gullu Butt to remind us that we are constructing a palace over a stinking swamp. The foundations will never hold. Never.
But yet again, as the wound bleeds and the bandage gets soiled, we replace it with a new bandage. The problem will not be solved by axing a minister, beheading a bureaucrat or decapitating a few cops. The problem is deeper — much deeper — and its needs major reform. Sometimes a simple wound left unhealed leads to major surgery, and perhaps amputation. Today innocent men and women were gunned down on the streets of Lahore, and tomorrow this will happen again somewhere.
The real problem then is that our leaders just do not realise what the real problem is. And all the Gullus of the world — it seems — are not enough to remind them of this dark reality.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/725134/return-of-the-gullu-brigade/
 
Saroop Ejaz sums it up nicely!

Mian Shahbaz Sharif who never sleeps, is on top of things, did not know that an operation in Model Town of all places was underway for hours and took another few hours to react. It should insult any thinking person’s intelligence to believe this.
The buck stops with Mian Shahbaz Sharif. The credit for the flyovers does not go to the masons and the contractors since we are repeatedly told that Mian Sahib is the ever present Superintendent. Well, the bad with the good, then. Far be it for me to insinuate, Mian Sahib directly sanctioned any of this; he wouldn’t. However, he has built up an inner cadre of loyalists (both from the bureaucracy and very few politicians) whose primary task in life is to serve at the pleasure of Mian Sahib and hence provided the enabling environment for this mayhem.
 
I was interested to see in yesterdays news, that after all the denials the Rockingham mansion did belong to Zardari and BB. The PPP don't have an honest bone in their bodies are even more corrupt than the Nooras,
 
Agree. The Sharif govt. was still trying to drag their feet about the NW operation but after the Karachi incident and overbearing pressure from the Army, gave in and reluctantly went with it.

I used to think that after the Musharraf ouster and the restoration of the populist hyper nationalist judiciary, an army take over has become next to impossible. But the truth is, Zardari's PPP despite having a coalition set up unlike the current govt. who has 2/3rd majority, knew how to play the game, how to pacify opponents, calm down the media and keep army happy. He kept his friends close and enemies closer. In the process, he ended up destroying the economy of the country but at least democracy, in some form and shape, limped forward, paving the way to a new set up. Sharif seems unable to learn from his past mistakes. He could have let Mushy go abroad, he could have listened to Army's advice about the TTP earlier, he could have earnestly taken up the election rigging case and pacified IK to some degree. So now here we are. A 2/3rd majority govt. feeling scared and threatened by a two bit Mullah from Canada.

Two forces which stood in the way of an army intervention were the media and judiciary. One has been rendered toothless, with the biggest group still reeling from the onslaught and from now onwards will not dare cross Army's path. The other being painted controversial and ineffectual by the day. TUQ, PML-Q and co. moving forward. Sharif backing off in disarray. Army waiting for the right time to strike. Brilliant.
What PMLN supporters forget is that PMLN promised dialogue with TTP during their election campaign. NS wanted dialogue, not coz he can think for himself, but mainly coz the blow back in Punjab would hurt his govt the most. But like everything else he does, he had an incompetent dialogue team, and had no planning whatsoever.

You may not agree with me, buit I am going to go a step further on the NW operation. Army did not start the operation due to the airport attack. There had been many attacks in the past on military installations. If they didnt lead to an operation, why would the airport attack lead to it?

The answer is simple. Army wants NS govt gone. Many factors and events are being created to achieve this goal. Qadri is one such factor. Timing of this operation was deliberate. Right now, the govt is extremely weak, almost non-existent. And this is the perfect time to launch an operation coz when there is blow back in punjab, govt wont be able to sustain it. Also, all parties including PTI is standing behind the army on this operation. The nation is standing behind the army as well. Which automatically pitches them against PMLN.

This is why I maintain that whoever is advising NS is dumb. Qadri is nothing, he has no political standing. He can not do anything to hurt the govt. He would have come, done a few protests and then left for canada. But the govt is so panicked by IK jalsas, army's opposition and operation that they used force against Qadri and made him much bigger than he really is.

Now, when protesters come on the streets, they will not be anti-democracy. They will be anti-govt coz govt used force on innocent civilians and killed some of them. NS has no leverage left now. He already had IK and army to deal with which are powerful chess pieces. But now, they have created another beast in Qadri by mishandling the situation
 
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TUQ said he would not get out of the plane as he was suppose to go to Islamabad not lahore. He added that Government is planning to assassinate him.
 
What exactly is Qadri's game? I've never been able to figure that out.

If I remember correctly, he was Imam of the mosque which the Saudi brothers frequented (back when they were Brelvis and made it a point to spread chadars at Data Darbar). Correct me if I'm mistaken about this. He used that connection to propel himself on to a TV program, a political party, and now a multi-million dollar empire.

But he has never won any seats, despite some propaganda in his favor on state TV during the 2002 polls. He has no electoral clout. I don't get the heavy-handed acts of the Saudis against him. How is he such a threat?

I quite liked him, because if the masses are going to be enthralled by a demagogue maulvi, it may as well be him and not someone from the hardcore religious outfits. But what exactly are his plans? He sprung to life suddenly during the elections, then the dharna. Does he see himself as PM, or a king maker?
 
Hell yeah. Emirate has told the government to do something about the plane or they will file a case against the government.
 
Hell yeah. Emirate has told the government to do something about the plane or they will file a case against the government.

its TuQ who isn't disembarking, can be case of hijacking filed against him.
 
its TuQ who isn't disembarking, can be case of hijacking filed against him.

On what grounds was the flight diverted when other international flights are landing in islamabad?

If tuq is afraid of the government and lahore police then he has every right to stay where he is because of the actions of the government over the last few days.

Pmln have lost the plot. What a bunch of idiots. There are Russian diplomats on the flight and these fools divert the flight. Unbelievable
 
On what grounds was the flight diverted when other international flights are landing in islamabad?

If tuq is afraid of the government and lahore police then he has every right to stay where he is because of the actions of the government over the last few days.

Pmln have lost the plot. What a bunch of idiots. There are Russian diplomats on the flight and these fools divert the flight. Unbelievable

that there is a grave security threat against TuQ.
 
PML so called leadership making blunders after blunders dont forget a single man named Sikander led ISB to standstill last year
 
What exactly is Qadri's game? I've never been able to figure that out.

If I remember correctly, he was Imam of the mosque which the Saudi brothers frequented (back when they were Brelvis and made it a point to spread chadars at Data Darbar). Correct me if I'm mistaken about this. He used that connection to propel himself on to a TV program, a political party, and now a multi-million dollar empire.

But he has never won any seats, despite some propaganda in his favor on state TV during the 2002 polls. He has no electoral clout. I don't get the heavy-handed acts of the Saudis against him. How is he such a threat?

I quite liked him, because if the masses are going to be enthralled by a demagogue maulvi, it may as well be him and not someone from the hardcore religious outfits. But what exactly are his plans? He sprung to life suddenly during the elections, then the dharna. Does he see himself as PM, or a king maker?

I can only speculate but seems like he springs into action every time Army needs to shake down the sitting govt. You never hear a beep from him when things are hunky dory between the army and govt. but as soon as their is tension, he comes out from nowhere with the same old demands and promises of Inqilab.

The real question than becomes not what Qadri's game plan is, as it's totally unpredictable and the timings are always suspect, but what does the Army want from him. Right now, I think they just want to cut the govt. down to size. Sharif is being stubborn and dismissive of them as before and they want to make sure he knows what's in store if he continues to go down this path. It's a game of chess with Qadri, PML-Q and PTI to a large extent playing the role of pawns to achieve their objectives. The fiery and bombastic mouth piece of the army, the one and only Sheeda Talli and Ahmad Raza Ksuri have explained five issues which the army currently have with the govt., that being, Mushy, Geo, TTP, the govt.'s commitment to Saudi's to provide them arms and help in the Syria debacle in return for black gold and money and last but not the least, India. The army operation reluctantly getting the blessing recently makes one less thing to worry about but the rest are important issues for the Army. Clowns like Qadri and boot lickers like the Chaudry brothers don't need that much encouragement to have them spring to action, the purpose even unknown to them I imagine. All they know is that khaki's are behind them and its another chance for them to get their mugs on every TV channel. The plan I believe is to weaken the govt. to the point where they become a rubber stamping clerical formality for the army, something the last PPP run govt. was famous for. Worst case scenario, if the PML-N govt. totally screw it up, the sword of Damocles (coup) is always hanging over their heads.
 
He will go to his home with his own security and media, until then he will stay there.
 
that there is a grave security threat against TuQ.

Did govt realise this AFTER having the barriers removed from his place of residence? Honestly, this Govt is full of contradictions!
 
He has grave security concerns that's why barriers had to be removed at 2 0' clock morning, 3 days before his arrival.
 
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Tahir-ul-Qadri live on ary. He is saying that he will take revenge from N-league for killing innocents.
 
One man has held entire state, country and media hostage. God forbids any incident happens in another part of city due to lack of security which is busy elsewhere.

Musherrf whould tell him that coming in is the easy part, its the leaving which is hard no matter how many followers or well wishers you have.
 
Gotta give it to Zardari, he dealt with these kind of situation lot better. He didnt allow the same Quadri to become hero during his last stint.
 
Gotta give it to Zardari, he dealt with these kind of situation lot better. He didnt allow the same Quadri to become hero during his last stint.

by allowing TuQ to hold the capital hostage for 4 days and make the govt. buckle its knees?

strange way of showing heroism.
 
PML-N with their stupidity not only dropped the axe on their own foot, they followed it up by stuffing that foot in their own mouth. Made TUQ's molehill into a mountain.
 
by allowing TuQ to hold the capital hostage for 4 days and make the govt. buckle its knees?

strange way of showing heroism.
Lol at holding the government hostage, its called democratic rights.PS your king needs to act like king instead of throwing tantrums.
 
by allowing TuQ to hold the capital hostage for 4 days and make the govt. buckle its knees?

strange way of showing heroism.

Well, atleast no lives were lost and the king was confined in a container. In the end they give him symbolic victory and an honorable exit.
 
Gotta give it to Zardari, he dealt with these kind of situation lot better. He didnt allow the same Quadri to become hero during his last stint.

Agreed. He let them protest and when it was time to shut it down, zardari very calmly made maulana sahab leave. NS is dumb we all know.
 
Lol at holding the government hostage, its called democratic rights.PS your king needs to act like king instead of throwing tantrums.
if I did the same thing in the middle of Times Square I'd be called a terrorist and hauled off to Gitmo.
Well, atleast no lives were lost and the king was confined in a container. In the end they give him symbolic victory and an honorable exit.
And completely embarrassed themselves and were rendered helpless.

If there is a genuine grievance then anyone is most welcome to protest...PTI and whoever else do it every week.

What exactly does TuQ want? Doesn't even live in the freakin' country let alone be a part of the political process.
 
TUQ is definitely a nuisance. But I am willing to tolerate him as a strong counter-narrative to the Deobandi mullahs.
 
Just for that? Good to know how this world works.

Yep. Just for that. Can't take library books to a knife fight.

But Saeed bhai, in all seriousness, I like his views on Islam and appreciate him for what he has done to project it -- but he comes across as an opportunist.
 
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I'm politically homeless. In terms of governance, I think PTI is sincere and doing a good enough job. However, their Taliban policy is seriously misguided. W.r.t. TUQ, I think most of his demands regarding the electoral reforms are fair. I also feel he has done a good service to Islam. I also have a soft corner for MQM. Having lived in Karachi during Mustafa Kamal's reign, I saw the work he did in the city. He was one of very few people who stood up to the DHA in Karachi.
 
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if I did the same thing in the middle of Times Square I'd be called a terrorist and hauled off to Gitmo.

What do you mean by same? We have people here protesting every other month in front of the white house. Just recently there was some protest(Operation Spring America) about toppling the leadership, it failed but government did no stupid thing. Even on wall street protests, nothing bad happened unlike Pakistan. In reality there is no comparison, American Democracy is much more matured.
 
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Lol at the fools, what would the government get by limiting TUQ for one day. What about his second, third , 4th or 50th day's stay in Pakistan?

These Punjab government adds come up after every other opposition really, be it Imran or TUQ's. Why so much panic?

But then what could you expect from such a genius who even accuses his rivals for dengue mosquitoes.
 
http://www.dawn.com/news/1114698/qadri-impact-dollar-crosses-rs100'Qadri impact': Dollar crosses Rs100
Currency dealers in the open market said that the arrival of Dr Qadri and ensuing political tension depressed the market. Nervous traders turned to money market to cover their future needs. The buying of dollar spiked and ultimately the price went up to cross the red line.

“We sold dollar for over Rs100 and purchased it for Rs99.90,” said Anwar Jamal, a currency dealer. For the last four months, the dollar-rupee parity stayed stable fluctuating in a narrow band in the open market. It remained under Rs100.

Currency dealers said the sudden increase in the dollar price was the “Qadri impact” and it might continue if such a situation persists.
However, the exchange rate in the inter-bank market remained unaffected from political chaos developed during the last five days.

Bankers observed that if such political disorder prolongs for a week or more, it may hurt the inter-bank rates, as a possible panic-like situation may emerge.
This guy is destroying our economy, pathetic.
 
Lol at the fools, what would the government get by limiting TUQ for one day. What about his second, third , 4th or 50th day's stay in Pakistan?

These Punjab government adds come up after every other opposition really, be it Imran or TUQ's. Why so much panic?

But then what could you expect from such a genius who even accuses his rivals for dengue mosquitoes.

According to journalists on twitter, they spent RS 2 Billion on these ads and on other hand they are giving 50 crores to 600,000 IDPs.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Pun govt set up barriers around TUQ house again earlier removed by killing13&injuring100.
Make yr own comment on it as am really speechless</p>— Rauf Klasra (@KlasraRauf) <a href="https://twitter.com/KlasraRauf/statuses/482011248091869185">June 26, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Punjab govt responsible for Model Town 'bloodbath': Kamran Shahid reveals JC report

LAHORE (Dunya News) - Senior journalist Kamran Shahid on Tuesday revealed details of judicial commission’s report pertaining to Model Town tragedy.

The report compiled by Justice Baqir Ali Najfi of the Lahore High Court (LHC) directly holds Punjab government responsible for ‘bloodbath’ in Model Town area.

It was mentioned in the report that Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif had not ordered the police to ‘disengage’ from the clashes with Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) supporters, resulting in the deaths of at least 14 people and injuries to over 80 others.

The report says neither former Punjab law minister Rana Sanaullah nor former principal secretary to the chief minister, Dr Tauqeer Shah, had mentioned in their affidavits to the commission that they had been directed by the chief minister to ‘disengage’ the police.
Shahbaz Sharif had used the word “disengagement” in his affidavit on an afterthought, the report added.

It was further revealed that Minhajul Quran International (MQI) workers hurled stones at police and in return they were fired upon. Police followed Punjab government's orders.

According to report, barriers outside Minhajul Quran International Secretariat were legal.

It may be mentioned here that the judicial commission was constituted in order to investigate the Model Town Incident that took place on June 17, 2014. Punjab Police went to remove the barriers placed outside Dr Tahirul Qadri's residence and Minhajul Quran International (MQI) Secretariat in Model Town. The workers of MQI resisted the move which led to a deadly clash leaving 14 Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) workers dead and dozens injured.

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakistan/234154-Punjab-govt-responsible-for-Model-Town-bloodbath


Any Gullu or Pumi Butt available on Pakpassion to defend PMLN government here?
 
[MENTION=133369]Vulcan[/MENTION] - For the sake of democracy, we should forget these 14 people who died and no FIR has been registered. Let Punjab government give 5 Lacs each to their family members and all shall return to normal and democracy will win.

And when one of our in house PMLN supporters or "Democracy" lovers lose a loved one to police brutality or a family member raped by the police or a rich man takes a fancy to her, then we shall all donate money to them to ease their suffering and ask them to forget about filing an FIR for the sake of Democracy!

At the end of the day, making sure that this current messed up version of democracy is allowed to continue should be the responsibility of every PMLN supporter.
 
[MENTION=1024]Vegitto1[/MENTION]

Why you are against the system? Why you are against democracy? You want anarchy in Pakistan?


These are few excuse we all are listening these days
 
Punjab govt responsible for Model Town 'bloodbath': Kamran Shahid reveals JC report

LAHORE (Dunya News) - Senior journalist Kamran Shahid on Tuesday revealed details of judicial commission’s report pertaining to Model Town tragedy.

The report compiled by Justice Baqir Ali Najfi of the Lahore High Court (LHC) directly holds Punjab government responsible for ‘bloodbath’ in Model Town area.

It was mentioned in the report that Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif had not ordered the police to ‘disengage’ from the clashes with Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) supporters, resulting in the deaths of at least 14 people and injuries to over 80 others.

The report says neither former Punjab law minister Rana Sanaullah nor former principal secretary to the chief minister, Dr Tauqeer Shah, had mentioned in their affidavits to the commission that they had been directed by the chief minister to ‘disengage’ the police.
Shahbaz Sharif had used the word “disengagement” in his affidavit on an afterthought, the report added.

It was further revealed that Minhajul Quran International (MQI) workers hurled stones at police and in return they were fired upon. Police followed Punjab government's orders.

According to report, barriers outside Minhajul Quran International Secretariat were legal.

It may be mentioned here that the judicial commission was constituted in order to investigate the Model Town Incident that took place on June 17, 2014. Punjab Police went to remove the barriers placed outside Dr Tahirul Qadri's residence and Minhajul Quran International (MQI) Secretariat in Model Town. The workers of MQI resisted the move which led to a deadly clash leaving 14 Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) workers dead and dozens injured.

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakistan/234154-Punjab-govt-responsible-for-Model-Town-bloodbath


Any Gullu or Pumi Butt available on Pakpassion to defend PMLN government here?

We have AZ but he's done as much of a good job defending Noon league as Noon league have done handling the entire dharna situation.
 
The Chief Minister of Punjab Shahbaz Sharif lied in this case to save himself :facepalm:
He should resign immediately. If he is not resigning then court should take his post away.

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LHC ordered to release model town report...

Shehbaz and many others in big big trouble!

Thread title also need an update "14 PAT workers were martyred & over 90 injured"
 
ISLAMABAD: Founder of Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) Dr Tahir ul Qadri phoned Chairman of Pakistan Tehreek e Insaf (PTI) Imran Khan before July 17. Qadri expressed firm doubts about delaying the Model Town case, BOL News reported on Wednesday.

As per the report by BOL News, Dr Tahir ul Qadri had a phone call with the PTI chairman for around 26 minutes. He mentioned during the phone call that the party members do not wish for any ministry, status, or quotas. He only asked for a full hearing on the Model Town case, where several PAT workers, including women and children, were martyred.

The PAT founder also claimed that his party supported PTI during the by-elections in Punjab.

Pakistan Tehreek e Insaf (PTI) decided to fight a strong case for justice for the Model Town tragedy. The party leadership proclaimed that the new Advocate General would be requested to give a verdict on this delayed case. Also, before the election on July 17, alarm bells went off for bureaucrats who helped rig the polls.

On the orders of the Pakistan Muslim League N (PMLN), government officials who used state machinery during election rigging are enlisted and strict actions are to be taken against such officials.

https://www.bolnews.com/pakistan/2022/07/tahir-ul-qadri-phoned-pti-chairman-and-expressed-concerns-for-delaying-model-town-case/
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">یہ <a href="https://twitter.com/SdqJaan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SdqJaan</a> کی سب سے بڑی خبر نہیں بلکہ یہ ن لیگ کے کیمپ میں ہلچل مچانے والی خبر بھی ہے ـ سانحہ ماڈل ٹاؤن کا فیصلہ مطلب ن لیگ کا گھناؤنا چہرہ بے نقاب ہونا ہے ـ <a href="https://t.co/GojN76OxQ5">pic.twitter.com/GojN76OxQ5</a></p>— 𝑭𝒂𝒓𝒉𝒂𝒏 𝑴𝒊𝒏𝒉𝒂𝒋 (@iamfarhansindh) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamfarhansindh/status/1552271097172611072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Punjab govt will investigate the Model town case on a priority basis, sources.</p>— Ihtisham Ul Haq (@iihtishamm) <a href="https://twitter.com/iihtishamm/status/1552270958202855426?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">یہ <a href="https://twitter.com/SdqJaan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SdqJaan</a> کی سب سے بڑی خبر نہیں بلکہ یہ ن لیگ کے کیمپ میں ہلچل مچانے والی خبر بھی ہے ـ سانحہ ماڈل ٹاؤن کا فیصلہ مطلب ن لیگ کا گھناؤنا چہرہ بے نقاب ہونا ہے ـ <a href="https://t.co/GojN76OxQ5">pic.twitter.com/GojN76OxQ5</a></p>— 𝑭𝒂𝒓𝒉𝒂𝒏 𝑴𝒊𝒏𝒉𝒂𝒋 (@iamfarhansindh) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamfarhansindh/status/1552271097172611072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Punjab govt will investigate the Model town case on a priority basis, sources.</p>— Ihtisham Ul Haq (@iihtishamm) <a href="https://twitter.com/iihtishamm/status/1552270958202855426?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If this finally goes through it can permanently end Shahbaz.

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION]
 
If this finally goes through it can permanently end Shahbaz.

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION]

The LHC and Bajwa will never allow a full and independent investigation. If it did, then Rana the Qatil and SS would go down. Lets see but as long as Bajwa is around then I see no positive news
 
8 years on and no proper investigation and no justice.

What investigation?

Shehbaz Sharif, Rana Sanaullah etc. ordered their police / goons to attack and murder.
Their dogs martyred the poor victims on live tv.

no justice
Sums up the banana republic Pakistan is. Pakistan establishment made Shehbaz country's PM and Rana a minister. This is beyond wildest Bollywood movies.

Just think about it... it is sickening.

 
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If this finally goes through it can permanently end Shahbaz.

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION]

Estb will create problems as their lackeys and puppets will go to jail if there was any justice.

I want to see that filth police officer in jail for pointing a gun at women protestors.
 
The Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) on Friday challenged Interior Minister Rana Sanaullah’s claim that the PML-N leadership had been exonerated from the Model Town tragedy.

Reacting to the claim, PAT Secretary-General Khurram Nawaz Gandapur said that the plan for the massacre of Model Town had been made under the patronage of then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, while Shehbaz Sharif and Rana Sanaullah were the masterminds using police and civil administration as a tool.

He said that FIR No696 containing all these facts had been registered with the Faisal Town police station pending adjudication.

He said that during the illegal rule of Hamza Shehbaz, an attempt was made to acquit the accused of the Model Town tragedy, but it was foiled due to the PAT’s active legal role.

He said they had presented concrete evidence of the involvement of the PML-N leadership before the anti-terrorism court but there’s an unnecessary delay in the delivery of justice.

A petition to summon Nawaz Sharif, Shehbaz Sharif and Rana Sanaullah as accused is pending in the higher courts, he said, alleging that Shehbaz Sharif as the chief minister and Sanaullah as the provincial law minister got distorted facts during investigations of the case conducted through managed police because the statements of the injured and eyewitnesses of the Model Town tragedy were not recorded by the investigators and a unilateral challan was presented to the ATC.

Gandapur said that the party had been demanding an impartial inquiry into the case for the last eight years and a new JIT was formed on the order of the Supreme Court, but a stay order by the Lahore High Court for the last three years was barring its working.

Sanaullah and the ilk could not claim innocence till a report of the impartial JIT was submitted, he said, adding the accused desired to shift their responsibility onto the police officers.

He said that the police raid on PAT offices in Model Town back in 2014 was not a plan just to remove the road barriers outside but to intimidate and kill the leaders and workers of Minhajul Quran and PAT as the Nawaz government, afraid of Dr Tahirul Qadri, desired to stop him from coming to Pakistan.

Gandapur appealed to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan as well as of the Lahore High Court to decide on the stay order regarding the impartial JIT as soon as possible so that the masterminds of the tragedy were exposed and justice delivered to the victims.

Express Tribune
 
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