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148 dead after Taliban massacre at Army Public School in Peshawar

Ya Allah have mercy upon the souls which are now by your side;raise their status and forgive their sins and have mercy upon their parents and loved ones;give them sabr/patience and guide them.
Ya Allah guide those who are on this wrong path spreading bloodshed and if guidance is not for them then annihilate them and burn them in hell. Ya Allah you know better than anyone who is responsible for these heinous crimes; Ya Allah rid us of these despicable beings.
Ya Allah free this Ummah from those who are spreading fitna and unite this Ummah which has divided itself and weakened itself.
No words can describe what I am feeling right now. I cannot begin to imagine what the dear ones of the deceased must be feeling, all I can say is that: "Verily to Allah we belong and unto Him is our return".
 
Firstly let me state that there is no defense for the barbarism of today...these children were not combatants...i do have a few questions...were any of the victims pre pubescent?...cos its worth noting that our definition of child and their definition of child is different...

Also to my understanding regarding the activities of the army is there any truth to the suggestion that all males over 12 are considered legitimate targets by the army?...I know that regarding drones all military-age males in a strike zone are classed as combatants...the definition of civilian has changed immensely in terms of targeted strikes...and imo shamefully so...

Combatants are military...but unfortunately neither side seems to recognize this fact...
 
You will hardly find any family here who doesn't have a connection to someone affected by the siege - either directly or indirectly.

500+ are injured, 130+ deaths.

It's a big school/college.

It's also imperative we avoid any political point scoring taking this incident as a cover. You have your opinion, don't think of it as ultimate and the only truth. And reserve it for other threads.
 
Condolences to those of you who lost loved ones or people you knew in this attack. I can't imagine how devastating this would be to have them taken away in this manner.
 
shaykh said:
Firstly let me state that there is no defense for the barbarism of today...these children were not combatants...i do have a few questions...were any of the victims pre pubescent?...cos its worth noting that our definition of child and their definition of child is different...

Also to my understanding regarding the activities of the army is there any truth to the suggestion that all males over 12 are considered legitimate targets by the army?...I know that regarding drones all military-age males in a strike zone are classed as combatants...the definition of civilian has changed immensely in terms of targeted strikes...and imo shamefully so...

Combatants are military...but unfortunately neither side seems to recognize this fact...
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You can only join the army if you're over 18 but these kids were cadets, many of whom who would've joined the armed forces
 
Hawkeye said:
You will hardly find any family here who doesn't have a connection to someone affected by the siege - either directly or indirectly.

500+ are injured, 130+ deaths.

It's a big school/college.

It's also imperative we avoid any political point scoring taking this incident as a cover. You have your opinion, don't think of it as ultimate and the only truth. And reserve it for other threads.
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Couldn't agree more. Not the time or the place for it, although some can't seem to help themselves.
 
The bodies of my relatives' kids have been identified. Unfortunately neither of them could make it.

Their mother fainted at the news.
 
AlCapone said:
You can only join the army if you're over 18 but these kids were cadets, many of whom who would've joined the armed forces
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Not quite what I meant...im wondering whether this is simply desperation/cowardice or whether there is a specific reason 12-16 year olds were targeted...

I asked what a legitimate target is...when it comes to drones I know that any post pubescent male is a legitimate target...something I find deplorable...so a 14 year old in Waziristan isn't classed as a child...do the Pakistan army judge combatants as 18+ or not?...

The TTP made a point of ensuring that no-one below 12 was targeted...ie from their perspective...any post pubescent male is considered a combatant...now I just want to know whether the army is operating with these rules i.e. fighting dirty or whether targeting 12-16 year olds is limited to the Taliban...

Hundreds died in the Waziristan offensive apparently which hasn't really been covered...is anyone able to answer whether 12-16 year olds were targeted?...
 
Mamoon said:
The bodies of my relatives' kids have been identified. Unfortunately neither of them could make it.

Their mother fainted at the news.
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horrible news.

Stay strong man. Condolences to your family
 
Sincerest condolences for your loss, brothers [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] & [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] and many others.

I am in tears writing this, the grief refuses to go away.
 
Mamoon said:
The bodies of my relatives' kids have been identified. Unfortunately neither of them could make it.

Their mother fainted at the news.
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Absolutely no words... :(

Feel so helpless and heartbroken. I am so sorry for your loss and for the pain and suffering your relatives must be going through :(. If it can provide even the slightest consolation please know that you and all that have been affected will be in our thoughts and duas...
 
Mamoon said:
The bodies of my relatives' kids have been identified. Unfortunately neither of them could make it.

Their mother fainted at the news.
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Can't stop the tears from eyes RIP innocent kids. ALLAH apko or unki family ko sabar ata kere Mamoon bhai.
 
Mamoon said:
The bodies of my relatives' kids have been identified. Unfortunately neither of them could make it.

Their mother fainted at the news.
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Condolences mate- may God give you and your family the strength to overcome the grief and sorrow.
 
Mamoon said:
The bodies of my relatives' kids have been identified. Unfortunately neither of them could make it.

Their mother fainted at the news.
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Sorry man. It's an awful time and I hope you stay strong. Sincere condolences.
 
Hawkeye said:
It's also imperative we avoid any political point scoring taking this incident as a cover. You have your opinion, don't think of it as ultimate and the only truth. And reserve it for other threads.
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We all need to stay united on this brother
 
Of course it's highly convenient at this time point that there should be no political scoring since PTI is in the firing line, otherwise this concept is completely lost on them.

The people who have lost their children today are bound to ask questions over what the local government are up to, when they are on a cross-country tour themselves dancing their way from one city to another.
 
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION], any news about the Principal? Last I heard, there was info about her whereabouts.
 
shaykh said:
Not quite what I meant...im wondering whether this is simply desperation/cowardice or whether there is a specific reason 12-16 year olds were targeted...

I asked what a legitimate target is...when it comes to drones I know that any post pubescent male is a legitimate target...something I find deplorable...so a 14 year old in Waziristan isn't classed as a child...do the Pakistan army judge combatants as 18+ or not?...

The TTP made a point of ensuring that no-one below 12 was targeted...ie from their perspective...any post pubescent male is considered a combatant...now I just want to know whether the army is operating with these rules i.e. fighting dirty or whether targeting 12-16 year olds is limited to the Taliban...

Hundreds died in the Waziristan offensive apparently which hasn't really been covered...is anyone able to answer whether 12-16 year olds were targeted?...
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No one quite knows.... is the answer. In the past children have known to have died in military operation whether it was deliberate tagetting or acceptable collateral damage... I am not sure about. But you have to understand that children are militarised at an early age in tribal areas or generally in the traditional pashtun culture...

What are you to do if a 12 year old is firing at you with an automatic weapon? This is not to say that their kids deserve to die and ours do not. I am just pointing out that in heat of battle, whoever is firing at you is an enemy combatant.

In the school attack, the is no ambiguity, they were attacking innocent unarmed kids. There is no justification for it.
 
Mamoon said:
Of course it's highly convenient at this time point that there should be no political scoring since PTI is in the firing line, otherwise this concept is completely lost on them.

The people who have lost their children today are bound to ask questions over what the local government are up to, when they are on a cross-country tour themselves dancing their way from one city to another.
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the government can't do much, every party has failed to provide security, this responsibility lies on our law enforecment agencies and they're stretched to the max already
 
Mamoon said:
Of course it's highly convenient at this time point that there should be no political scoring since PTI is in the firing line, otherwise this concept is completely lost on them.

The people who have lost their children today are bound to ask questions over what the local government are up to, when they are on a cross-country tour themselves dancing their way from one city to another.
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brother i can understand you situation and we are with you but isn't it a security agency failure are we going to do political scoring and blame political parties for all 50,000 pakistanis we lost in zardari and musharraf era? (btw i am from an army family and we also lost soldiers in this war against terror)
 
shaykh said:
Not quite what I meant...im wondering whether this is simply desperation/cowardice or whether there is a specific reason 12-16 year olds were targeted...

I asked what a legitimate target is...when it comes to drones I know that any post pubescent male is a legitimate target...something I find deplorable...so a 14 year old in Waziristan isn't classed as a child...do the Pakistan army judge combatants as 18+ or not?...

The TTP made a point of ensuring that no-one below 12 was targeted...ie from their perspective...any post pubescent male is considered a combatant...now I just want to know whether the army is operating with these rules i.e. fighting dirty or whether targeting 12-16 year olds is limited to the Taliban...

Hundreds died in the Waziristan offensive apparently which hasn't really been covered...is anyone able to answer whether 12-16 year olds were targeted?...
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Idk in the tribal areas they mature faster, I wasn't threatened by this teenaged guy a few years back, I was taken aback
 
Terrible, terrible news.

Mamoon, what can I say man, except that my heart goes out to all of them and your relatives also.
 
132 kids and 9 staff members martyred ISPR giving the confirmed numbers now. RIP all
 
At the end of the day, they are all the same. The Naya KPK is not so naya after all.
 
Strike Rate said:
We all need to stay united on this brother
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Indeed. The whole nation.

Mamoon said:
Of course it's highly convenient at this time point that there should be no political scoring since PTI is in the firing line, otherwise this concept is completely lost on them.
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As I said, please stop this point scoring. You're only promoting your own agenda/opinion taking this incident as a cover. What you're saying can be countered with logical arguments.

E.G., only recently dozens were killed in a suicide attack on Wahga border. No one from PTI did point scoring over that incident, or considered it a failure of federal/punjab government. Rather everyone took it as a loss of nation.

These things cannot be blamed on any party, be a bit logical and mature. Whenever something happens in KP, some people start their own political point scoring. Becoming a trend. But let's end it here and don't go this route again.
 
7 SSG soldiers injured and 2 other army officers injured too during in this operation. Operation is completed
 
Mamoon said:
Of course it's highly convenient at this time point that there should be no political scoring since PTI is in the firing line, otherwise this concept is completely lost on them.

The people who have lost their children today are bound to ask questions over what the local government are up to, when they are on a cross-country tour themselves dancing their way from one city to another.
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Do give it a rest sometimes Mamoon........... there is a time and place for everything.
 
Mamoon said:
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION], any news about the Principal? Last I heard, there was info about her whereabouts.
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No sadly no info about her/him. I don't even know who is the current principal.
 
The local govt. has to shoulder blame without question. Regardless of where it happens, be it Peshawar or Lahore or Karachi.

But of course this is a fruitless and a pointless debate.
 
146 dead, 113 injured

Speaking to media representatives, Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) leader Shireen Mazari said that out of total 146 people killed in today’s tragic incident, nearly 140 killed are children. She said 113 people including children were injured in the attack also.

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Mamoon said:
The local govt. has to shoulder blame without question. Regardless of where it happens, be it Peshawar or Lahore or Karachi.

But of course this is a fruitless and a pointless debate.
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Isn't army public school in the cantonment area?I suppose that falls within the jurisdiction of the army.
 
To everyone, my condolences as many here are affected by this. Friends and/or family. I'm so hurt and rattled by this. These monsters need to be dealt with. This won't stop. It's disgusting that this happened. When will this end.
 
AlCapone said:
Isn't army public school in the cantonment area?I suppose that falls within the jurisdiction of the army.
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Not sure bout Peshawar one but a few army public school i have seen in Pakistan are all in cantt area and army give them lot of protection because of high threats.
 
Guys can we please stop fighting on whose fault it is....

It's a pointless debate.

We need to prevent further such incidents or I see no future for Pakistan.

That's what our discussion should be oriented towards. Instead of blaming Nawaz, Zardari, or Imran Khan for this mess.
 
Mamoon said:
The local govt. has to shoulder blame without question. Regardless of where it happens, be it Peshawar or Lahore or Karachi.

But of course this is a fruitless and a pointless debate.
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Mamoon i have seen other Army Schools in Pakistan but not sure about the one in Peshawar is it in cantt area like all other army schools?

In a city like Peshawar the security of cantt area should be double
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Guys can we please stop fighting on whose fault it is....

It's a pointless debate.

We need to prevent further such incidents or I see no future for Pakistan.

That's what our discussion should be oriented towards. Instead of blaming Nawaz, Zardari, or Imran Khan for this mess.
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Agreed. Unfortunately the only way a change will occur is if the people stand up and are willing to give up their lives for a true revolution or cause. I cannot see that happening. I don't know what the breaking point is.
 
Thanks to all those understanding the agony of families here!

Dr_Bassim said:
Guys can we please stop fighting on whose fault it is....

It's a pointless debate.

We need to prevent further such incidents or I see no future for Pakistan.

That's what our discussion should be oriented towards. Instead of blaming Nawaz, Zardari, or Imran Khan for this mess.
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True.
 
AlCapone said:
Idk in the tribal areas they mature faster, I wasn't threatened by this teenaged guy a few years back, I was taken aback
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Thats not a good enough answer really...there cant be one rule for Waziristan and other rules for elsewhere...if an unarmed 13 year old is considered a militant in Waziristan then its rich to start declaring unarmed 13 year olds elsewhere as children...

Today is a horrible tragedy but one gets the feeling that this is simply the tragedy we have been told about...considering apparently hundreds have died in the latest Waziristan offensive...
 
Took me hours to reach the hospitals and a few more to get back home. More blood required (especially O-). Though people have started showing up in numbers but IMO we need more and more volunteers.
 
RIP little kids and all teachers and staff that died.

If there is a hell - there's a special place for these scumbags.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Do give it a rest sometimes Mamoon........... there is a time and place for everything.
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This 'rise above politics' is a hogwash, this is best moment to face the truth not tomorrow, all will be forgotten.

AlCapone said:
like i said, political parties can't really do much about the terrorists, it's for the army to deal with them
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Internal security is weakened if other parties keep undermining the PM. Army is for securing International borders, Yes they can flush out terrorists but law and order is handled by Police, CM and his ministers.
 
A-1 said:
Took me hours to reach the hospitals and a few more to get back home. More blood required (especially O-). Though people have started showing up in numbers but IMO we need more and more volunteers.
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Don't know what it is, but after reading all the other messages of grief, that is the one that actually touched me the most.
 
A-1 said:
Took me hours to reach the hospitals and a few more to get back home. More blood required (especially O-). Though people have started showing up in numbers but IMO we need more and more volunteers.
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Hats off to you brother you guys are the real heros i wish i was Peshawar
 
A-1 said:
Took me hours to reach the hospitals and a few more to get back home. More blood required (especially O-). Though people have started showing up in numbers but IMO we need more and more volunteers.
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Fair play to you mate.

One thing I've always heard about tragedies is that they bring out the best in some and the worst in others. Good to see this bringing out good in most people, even if it pales in comparison to the death count and grief of the families affected.
 
Mamoon said:
Roads are completely blocked in my area now which is in the zone. Can't even leave my house.

Thankfully managed to get home on time otherwise would have been stuck for hours.[/QUOTE

It is a very difficult situation for the people who have been stuck out there.In our part of the world the rescue system is so weak
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shaykh said:
Thats not a good enough answer really...there cant be one rule for Waziristan and other rules for elsewhere...if an unarmed 13 year old is considered a militant in Waziristan then its rich to start declaring unarmed 13 year olds elsewhere as children...
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In the tribal areas most people do not go to school, children get married early and there are many child soldiers who are in their teens and are used by the Taliban, if they shoot at the army, they shoot back at them and the tribal people live by their own code of living, which the have been following since time immemorial.


Today is a horrible tragedy but one gets the feeling that this is simply the tragedy we have been told about...considering apparently hundreds have died in the latest Waziristan offensive...
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Those hundreds dead are Taliban militants, they locals who oppose them are not represented by the Taliban -there are a million IDPs living in camps, most of the areas of their have been cleared of civilians, that's why the toll of collateral damage has been very low, it sounds like you're being an apologist for the Taliban -the people of those areas who have opposed them would take your statement as offensive.
 
A-1 said:
Took me hours to reach the hospitals and a few more to get back home. More blood required (especially O-). Though people have started showing up in numbers but IMO we need more and more volunteers.
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You're a hero.
 
A-1 said:
Took me hours to reach the hospitals and a few more to get back home. More blood required (especially O-). Though people have started showing up in numbers but IMO we need more and more volunteers.
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Bravo bro. Bravo.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
No one quite knows.... is the answer. In the past children have known to have died in military operation whether it was deliberate tagetting or acceptable collateral damage... I am not sure about. But you have to understand that children are militarised at an early age in tribal areas or generally in the traditional pashtun culture...

What are you to do if a 12 year old is firing at you with an automatic weapon? This is not to say that their kids deserve to die and ours do not. I am just pointing out that in heat of battle, whoever is firing at you is an enemy combatant.

In the school attack, the is no ambiguity, they were attacking innocent unarmed kids. There is no justification for it.
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I do agree with this...but what i am wondering is whether an unarmed 12 year old is considered a legitimate target...a 12 year old with a weapon is a legitimate target but regarding drone use one doesnt need to be armed to be viewed as a combatant...all 'capable' males are viewed as legitimate targets...the definition for civilian has changed...are unarmed 12 year olds collateral damage when killed by the army or legitimate targets?...
 
shaykh said:
Thats not a good enough answer really...there cant be one rule for Waziristan and other rules for elsewhere...if an unarmed 13 year old is considered a militant in Waziristan then its rich to start declaring unarmed 13 year olds elsewhere as children...

Today is a horrible tragedy but one gets the feeling that this is simply the tragedy we have been told about...considering apparently hundreds have died in the latest Waziristan offensive...
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A 13 year old holding a gun and fighting is considered a militant as he has reached puberty.

But a 13 year old studying Urdu language and not fighting the war, and being brutally murdered as "Revenge" for a 13 year old militant is cowardice of the highest degree.

He is a child, because he has not been told about anything related to war, has never handled a gun, and his mind is innocent.

The 13 year old in Waziristan, is being developed for the purpose of army, fighting battles.

DO NOT even consider equating the loss of these people's militants as being equal to the loss of innocent children studying geography and chemistry in a peaceful environment at school.

Pakistan is at war with militants, the children of Pakistan aren't.
 
Tera Gawaandi said:
This 'rise above politics' is a hogwash, this is best moment to face the truth not tomorrow, all will be forgotten.



Internal security is weakened if other parties keep undermining the PM. Army is for securing International borders, Yes they can flush out terrorists but law and order is handled by Police, CM and his ministers.
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It is an army school. The army had launched a successful operation, to which the terrorists could only respond by killing innocent kids at an army school. They will be eliminated, only a matter of time. There is very little, the Government at national or local level can do especially when resources are stretched. Its a reality that you cannot have fault proof security everywhere.
 
shaykh said:
Thats not a good enough answer really...there cant be one rule for Waziristan and other rules for elsewhere...if an unarmed 13 year old is considered a militant in Waziristan then its rich to start declaring unarmed 13 year olds elsewhere as children...

Today is a horrible tragedy but one gets the feeling that this is simply the tragedy we have been told about...considering apparently hundreds have died in the latest Waziristan offensive...
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If they didn't want hundreds to die, they should have surrendered.

The government of Pakistan, has right to take any action necessary, to quell disturbances which undermine the government, and that is in the Constitution of Pakistan.

If they TTP or Taliban hide behind children , it's their own fault. They are not the one running the government. They have to abide and if they don't want, they have to accept damages.

Pakistan cannot and should not be held ransom to demands of a tribal agency of tribal region.
 
AlCapone said:
In the tribal areas most people do not go to school, children get married early and there are many child soldiers who are in their teens and are used by the Taliban, if they shoot at the army, they shoot back at them and the tribal people live by their own code of living, which the have been following since time immemorial.



Those hundreds dead are Taliban militants, they locals who oppose them are not represented by the Taliban -there are a million IDPs living in camps, most of the areas of their have been cleared of civilians, that's why the toll of collateral damage has been very low, it sounds like you're being an apologist for the Taliban -the people of those areas who have opposed them would take your statement as offensive.
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Not an apologist at all...and my many posts generally would show that...I find their actions deplorable...but its all too simple to say they are barbarians etc...its worth asking whether both sides are fighting dirty or not...

You yourself are presuming that anyone living in those areas is a supporter and thus a legitimate target...its a problematic position to take...

The definition of civilian is far too narrow now...the question as i raised wasnt about armed children...rather about unarmed children...the position you seem to have taken is anyone in those areas is a legitimate target including the children...so is it any wonder when a response comes like this?...
 
Absolutely shocking. Deepest condolences to those who lost their near and dear ones. I saw a post about [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] 's relatives and I'm sure there are many more. Sitting so far away, it is so disturbing, i cannot even imagine what the families would be going through. May god be with them.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
If they didn't want hundreds to die, they should have surrendered.

The government of Pakistan, has right to take any action necessary, to quell disturbances which undermine the government, and that is in the Constitution of Pakistan.

If they TTP or Taliban hide behind children , it's their own fault. They are not the one running the government. They have to abide and if they don't want, they have to accept damages.

Pakistan cannot and should not be held ransom to demands of a tribal agency of tribal region.
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Rightly said.
 
ARY News showing pictures of the terrorists right now. Apparently, they were all foreigners.
 
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