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148 dead after Taliban massacre at Army Public School in Peshawar

There was a reprt back in2008 saying Pak Army business are worth $8 billion. pak Army run many businesses in Pakistan not only school but a bank called Askari Bank, Cement factories like Fauji Cement and Askari Cement than they have Askar Investments and Fauji Foundation and Miltary Hospital etc
Thats a big problem right here. They should not be running any businesses. Period.
 
Forgot to mention in last post the army runs the largest real estate business in Pakistan under the auspices of Defense Housing Societies and other welfare societies. aka DHA
 
Anyway dont want to derail this thread but my stance is very clear about this.
 
Holding back my tears after reading this thread. I cannot believe this. How can any human just go inside a school and kill everyone? I mean, even a person with mental ilness would think twice or a person brainwashed? In this world, technology has moved forward but humanity and its value has not.

Its a dark day, and it will last for ages. My heart, prayers and thoughts go out to local Pp'ers, seriously. What hurts me is that, I can't do anything other then donate, even donation in today's world seems not enough. I am speechless and very disturbed.
 
Sincerest condolences [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION], [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION].
 
Every decent human being want's scum like these Taliban wiped out. But when you know your actions are also likely to kill an innocent, whether an adult or a child, even an innocent member of a terrorists family, then you are no better than the terrorist and your crimes are no lesser than those of the terrorist.There is no such thing as 'collateral damage' if in the process of trying to take out a terrorist you are fully aware that it's likely you will also be killing innocents.

Sure, the terrorists may be using their own wives and children as human shields, but that still doesn't justify knowingly killing these innocents whilst trying to get those that you are after.

Murder is murder when the innocents are killed - whether by the terrorists or by those trying to get the terrorists.

You say you are a doctor. I'm surprised a doctor is prepared to see innocents die in the pursuit of the guilty.

For the most part I agree with you...and some of the responses here sound Israeli if anything...ie claiming civilians aren't civilians and blaming civilians for their own deaths...

However I do disagree with your collateral damage comment...the idea is proportionality...which HRO's suggest the Pakistan army feel is irrelevant...if there are 3 terrorists and 3 civilians in a place then one could argue this a proportionate response...however targeting a terrorist in a school or wedding for instance is unacceptable...even if a terrorist is using schoolchildren as a human shield there is no legitimate position to target those children...

I sympathise immensely with the loss of life today but I find it disheartening looking forward when I see some of the responses in this thread...there are people advocating barbarism in this very thread...

Children don't become legitimate targets just cos of who their fathers are...
 
Condolences to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] and [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] .

Stay strong
 
Afghan Taliban condemned the attack-ET

Not again. I think its finally time for Pakistani's to acknowledge that there is no good or bad Taliban they are all evil with the same ideology and deserve no sympathy for their unjust cause. I just saw in the news couple of days ago the Taliban attacked a Volleyball tournament in Afghanistan killing at least 50 and injuring 100s.
 
Is the blacked out bg in remembrance of those lives lost? [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
 
Not again. I think its finally time for Pakistani's to acknowledge that there is no good or bad Taliban they are all evil with the same ideology and deserve no sympathy for their unjust cause. I just saw in the news couple of days ago the Taliban attacked a Volleyball tournament in Afghanistan killing at least 50 and injuring 100s.
I'm only reporting this news.
 
Speechless, sad, depressed and angry.... my sincerest condolences [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION], [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] and all the families who lost the loved ones. darkest day indeed.....being father myself, I was just shocked and lost when I heard the news........
 
Thanks.

12 and 9.

The Mother fainted at the news and the Father is coping bravely so far, they had these two kids only.

Funeral tomorrow afternoon.

My deepest condolences.

May Allah give you and your family strength in these difficult and testing times.

Ameen.
 
Every decent human being want's scum like these Taliban wiped out. But when you know your actions are also likely to kill an innocent, whether an adult or a child, even an innocent member of a terrorists family, then you are no better than the terrorist and your crimes are no lesser than those of the terrorist.There is no such thing as 'collateral damage' if in the process of trying to take out a terrorist you are fully aware that it's likely you will also be killing innocents.

Sure, the terrorists may be using their own wives and children as human shields, but that still doesn't justify knowingly killing these innocents whilst trying to get those that you are after.

Murder is murder when the innocents are killed - whether by the terrorists or by those trying to get the terrorists.

You say you are a doctor. I'm surprised a doctor is prepared to see innocents die in the pursuit of the guilty.

One by one.

First of all my being a doctor is irrelevant to this case, as my professional duties are very different to my personal thoughts. And I have learned to make a recognition.

If a terrorist who has been killing children comes to me bleeding from his femoral artery , I am just as likely to save his blood loss and let him live, than a 4 year old who has been nicked in the femoral by a gunshot from the very same terrorist.

I cannot and should not separate my professional duties which is to save lives.

However, my personal ideology surprisingly does differ. I refuse to believe that people who hide behind women and children should be excused on pretense of "saving collateral damage".

This will just give them impetus to further commit attacks and when military attacks, they will go back to the same hidey-holes.

The solution is quite easy. Pakistan army before peremptory strikes should warn the people that this and this area will be struck and any civilians in this area should move to other places for safeguard of their lives.

If after that, human shields are used by cowards; then what to do? Just sit and wait?

Do you really think if we stop doing this, and try to prevent collateral damage ; we will solve the problem of no further attacks on Pakistani soil.

These guys have you fooled into thinking this is a revenge game. There are elements in Pakistan which will stop at nothing to do this and if "their children being killed" is the excuse they have, they will take it.

It's very simple to assume this was a retaliatory attack.

But let's not jump the whole story.

I don't condone "collateral damage" and it must be minimized. I would never ask Pakistani army to bomb a civilian children school in Waziristan in name of "collateral damage".

But when it becomes established that there is a terrorist haven in some particular area, when you give enough warnings for civilian population to evacuate, yet they chose to stay there and force the children and women to stay; then you cannot get into their blackmail.

For if you do, you will always come against human shields and this war will never end.
 
My deepest condolences to [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] and [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] as well. Don't have words to describe how I feel right now. Stay strong brothers.
 
But when it becomes established that there is a terrorist haven in some particular area, when you give enough warnings for civilian population to evacuate, yet they chose to stay there and force the children and women to stay; then you cannot get into their blackmail.

For if you do, you will always come against human shields and this war will never end.
If you are aware that women and children are forcibly held back and used as human shields, and you go ahead with the attack knowing you will also be killing these innocents, then what's the difference between you and the terrorist? IMO none. You are both knowingly and deliberately killing innocents in the pursuit of your objectives.
 
If you are aware that women and children are forcibly held back and used as human shields, and you go ahead with the attack knowing you will also be killing these innocents, then what's the difference between you and the terrorist? IMO none. You are both knowingly and deliberately killing innocents in the pursuit of your objectives.

In the war, one must try to prevent civilian casualties. I didn't say army should start carpet bombing them. But if in trying to get the people to remove those human shields there are civilian casualties, I don't understand how that makes it wrong.

Pakistan is in a state of war. In war they are casualties. The issue is to minimize them. But to say you cannot enter any area because there are civilians is to acknowledge that you cannot win the war because of high moral ground.

I can see your point though.

Drone attacks being carried out by Army; do you really think they can KNOWINGLY tell if they have attacked civilians or not? They must go by foot then to those areas. And yet if they do, and encounter civilians and civilians they can't attack.

At the end of the day, your solution is screwed.

Can't use drones for fear of KNOWINGLY creating civilian casualties. Can't use ground force when you KNOW that there are civilians in the area.

Let's get back to to talks with them.

Because that is working out very well :)
 
My second cousin didn't make it. The whole family is in mourning. The blood boils and these animals still breathe free.

You have my condolences.

Hopefully you and your family can stay strong
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION], [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] . Stay strong for your loved ones. #IndiawithPakistan
 
Posting a few tweets I found especially poignant.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Remember, in our brutalized society, children remain to be our last connection to humanity. Never forget.</p>— Nadeem F. Paracha (@NadeemfParacha) <a href="https://twitter.com/NadeemfParacha/status/544851436123615232">December 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The whole nation should say sorry to those who were mercilessly slaughtered. Sorry for remaining intoxicated on ego, hypocrisy & bigotry.</p>— Nadeem F. Paracha (@NadeemfParacha) <a href="https://twitter.com/NadeemfParacha/status/544878062530080768">December 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Mocked a 14-year-old for being shot in the face. And now we mourn a hundred more. Woe to your misplaced arrogance.</p>— Nadeem F. Paracha (@NadeemfParacha) <a href="https://twitter.com/NadeemfParacha/status/544901459695767554">December 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Men who kill little children to pursue their ideology/politics are evil beyond redemption. Their apologists are only two steps removed.</p>— Babar Sattar (@Babar_Sattar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Babar_Sattar/status/544864077361586177">December 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>It takes a life-time sacrifice to raise a child. To have lost so many so quickly so needlessly is to drive one to madness.</p>— Syed Talat Hussain (@TalatHussain12) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalatHussain12/status/544814898711371776">December 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>We couldn't save them. Let us mourn them well. Let us at least cry together.</p>— Syed Talat Hussain (@TalatHussain12) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalatHussain12/status/544794823849672705">December 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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One by one.

First of all my being a doctor is irrelevant to this case, as my professional duties are very different to my personal thoughts. And I have learned to make a recognition.

If a terrorist who has been killing children comes to me bleeding from his femoral artery , I am just as likely to save his blood loss and let him live, than a 4 year old who has been nicked in the femoral by a gunshot from the very same terrorist.

I cannot and should not separate my professional duties which is to save lives.

However, my personal ideology surprisingly does differ. I refuse to believe that people who hide behind women and children should be excused on pretense of "saving collateral damage".

This will just give them impetus to further commit attacks and when military attacks, they will go back to the same hidey-holes.

The solution is quite easy. Pakistan army before peremptory strikes should warn the people that this and this area will be struck and any civilians in this area should move to other places for safeguard of their lives.

If after that, human shields are used by cowards; then what to do? Just sit and wait?

Do you really think if we stop doing this, and try to prevent collateral damage ; we will solve the problem of no further attacks on Pakistani soil.

These guys have you fooled into thinking this is a revenge game. There are elements in Pakistan which will stop at nothing to do this and if "their children being killed" is the excuse they have, they will take it.

It's very simple to assume this was a retaliatory attack.

But let's not jump the whole story.

I don't condone "collateral damage" and it must be minimized. I would never ask Pakistani army to bomb a civilian children school in Waziristan in name of "collateral damage".

But when it becomes established that there is a terrorist haven in some particular area, when you give enough warnings for civilian population to evacuate, yet they chose to stay there and force the children and women to stay; then you cannot get into their blackmail.

For if you do, you will always come against human shields and this war will never end.

You're using the Israeli defense frankly...

If a terrorist used civilians as human shields this doesnt mean you don't recognize the civilians...the army still has a responsibility to protect civilian life...to simply use the 'its the terrorists fault and their responsibility' isn't a defense...

If a terrorist hides in a school then of course the terrorist is wrong but does this mean you can simply bomb the school?...

I remember when Zardari stated that collateral damage wasnt a problem and HRO's have stated that this has generally been the Pakistani position...proportionality, discriminate use of force aren't applied...

Also your point about displacing populations is very similar to the Israeli argument also...you even state yourself that many cant leave but again you choose the its the terrorists fault so its ok to kill civilians argument...

I do find it interesting how people have specific views for stuff on their home soil yet get all idealistic about things away from home...
 
You're using the Israeli defense frankly...

If a terrorist used civilians as human shields this doesnt mean you don't recognize the civilians...the army still has a responsibility to protect civilian life...to simply use the 'its the terrorists fault and their responsibility' isn't a defense...

If a terrorist hides in a school then of course the terrorist is wrong but does this mean you can simply bomb the school?...

I remember when Zardari stated that collateral damage wasnt a problem and HRO's have stated that this has generally been the Pakistani position...proportionality, discriminate use of force aren't applied...

Also your point about displacing populations is very similar to the Israeli argument also...you even state yourself that many cant leave but again you choose the its the terrorists fault so its ok to kill civilians argument...

I do find it interesting how people have specific views for stuff on their home soil yet get all idealistic about things away from home...

You propose talks with them.

Trying to coax them to the negotiating table perhaps?

Next they will murder babies on a train and you will say, it was because their babies were murdered in a drone attack.

Are we in a state of war with that area or not?

If we are not, then perhaps you are right.

If we are in a state of war, then we reserve the right to protect the integrity of our country and a few tribal Mullahs shouldn't be holding the whole country at ransom using civilians or other underhand means.
 
In the war, one must try to prevent civilian casualties. I didn't say army should start carpet bombing them. But if in trying to get the people to remove those human shields there are civilian casualties, I don't understand how that makes it wrong.

Pakistan is in a state of war. In war they are casualties. The issue is to minimize them. But to say you cannot enter any area because there are civilians is to acknowledge that you cannot win the war because of high moral ground.

I can see your point though.

Drone attacks being carried out by Army; do you really think they can KNOWINGLY tell if they have attacked civilians or not? They must go by foot then to those areas. And yet if they do, and encounter civilians and civilians they can't attack.

At the end of the day, your solution is screwed.

Can't use drones for fear of KNOWINGLY creating civilian casualties. Can't use ground force when you KNOW that there are civilians in the area.

Let's get back to to talks with them.

Because that is working out very well :)
What a load of cobblers. You're using the logic of the Israeli's. Doesn't matter how many innocents you kill as long as you get those you're after.

It shouldn't have to be a choice between two extremes - Kill the terrorists no matter how many innocents get killed in the process versus sitting down with these terrorists for a cup of tea and biscuits. Besides, neither solution will work in the long term. You cannot kill them all since there will always be others to take their place. And neither will talking do any good since they would rather die than give up their cause.

However, there is always a third way if one has a will and and the inclination to look for it.
 
You're using the Israeli defense frankly...

If a terrorist used civilians as human shields this doesnt mean you don't recognize the civilians...the army still has a responsibility to protect civilian life...to simply use the 'its the terrorists fault and their responsibility' isn't a defense...

If a terrorist hides in a school then of course the terrorist is wrong but does this mean you can simply bomb the school?...

I remember when Zardari stated that collateral damage wasnt a problem and HRO's have stated that this has generally been the Pakistani position...proportionality, discriminate use of force aren't applied...

Also your point about displacing populations is very similar to the Israeli argument also...you even state yourself that many cant leave but again you choose the its the terrorists fault so its ok to kill civilians argument...

I do find it interesting how people have specific views for stuff on their home soil yet get all idealistic about things away from home...
I agree.
 
You propose talks with them.

Trying to coax them to the negotiating table perhaps?

Next they will murder babies on a train and you will say, it was because their babies were murdered in a drone attack.

Are we in a state of war with that area or not?

If we are not, then perhaps you are right.

If we are in a state of war, then we reserve the right to protect the integrity of our country and a few tribal Mullahs shouldn't be holding the whole country at ransom using civilians or other underhand means.


Like I said your response is the Israeli one...and frankly is no better than the people you are calling barbaric...

I don't quite know what you are advocating but it sounds like cleansing chatter...

Fact is we have rules of war for a reason...and cause and conduct are separate issues...having a just cause doesnt mean one can be lax about conduct of war...

We have rules of discriminate force and proportionate use of force in the civilized world...your argument is the opposition fights dirty and then so should we...however by fighting dirty the majority of victims are civilians...ie also Pakistanis...

Do Pakistani children only matter when the oppressor is the Taliban?...cos it seems sympathy is only reserved for those who are attacked by the Taliban whilst all the children dying in Waziristan you seem to view as legitimate targets...

There is a state of war but does that mean you can do whatever you like?...at what cost do you want to protect the integrity of the country?...
 
What a load of cobblers. You're using the logic of the Israeli's. Doesn't matter how many innocents you kill as long as you get those you're after.

It shouldn't have to be a choice between two extremes - Kill the terrorists no matter how many innocents get killed in the process versus sitting down with these terrorists for a cup of tea and biscuits. Besides, neither solution will work in the long term. You cannot kill them all since there will always be others to take their place. And neither will talking do any good since they would rather die than give up their cause.

However, there is always a third way if one has a will and and the inclination to look for it.

First of all, using Israeli analogy is ridiculous because they are fighting out for a disputed territory. They don't acknowledge the rights of Palestinians and are the aggressors. They kill because they believe that Hamas is killing their people (which may or may not be true) but the fact remains, Israeli are aggressors.

Pakistan is in a state of war with its own internal elements and is not fighting a disputed territory.

Pakistan has never been the aggressor for tribal areas, until they were forced to because of infiltration of terrorists who used Pakistani soil to launch attacks against Pakistani government. It is the terrorists that are the aggressors here instead of Pakistani government as you make seem believe.

Pakistan did not declare war on tribal areas, until they started the fundamentalist policies. In a country, if one region decides to break away from you, and in some degree of autonomy practices principles that are detrimental to the country's constitution, a country reserves the right of use of force, to bring that area back under control.

Of course , the aim is to minimize the losses. But once again, to achieve control, how far would you go? would you stop because you are worried about civilians of that territory. If you do, then how will you gain control of those autonomous regions that are serving as seeds for growth of terrorists.

I think you get the feeling I am condoning killing of civilian population. I am not doing that at all.

I just realize that when a country is in a state of war (which obviously you do not believe), casualties are a part of the war.

I am not saying go out there, and rape and kill and destroy their children and women. I am saying if in a war, there are casualties, despite trying to be protective; I can understand them.

No one is saying to bomb their schools. In fact bombing of Lal Masjid was the single worst act President Musharraf did as President of Pakistan.

Its repercussions are still going on right now.

But if you can't accept minimum civilian casualties in a war, that's being fought to bring the country back under control of the government, then don't start the war in the first place.

Army can just stop the operation and we can just let the matter linger on for another 2 decades till a fundamentalist Pakistan destroys itself.
 
Like I said your response is the Israeli one...and frankly is no better than the people you are calling barbaric...

I don't quite know what you are advocating but it sounds like cleansing chatter...

Fact is we have rules of war for a reason...and cause and conduct are separate issues...having a just cause doesnt mean one can be lax about conduct of war...

We have rules of discriminate force and proportionate use of force in the civilized world...your argument is the opposition fights dirty and then so should we...however by fighting dirty the majority of victims are civilians...ie also Pakistanis...

Do Pakistani children only matter when the oppressor is the Taliban?...cos it seems sympathy is only reserved for those who are attacked by the Taliban whilst all the children dying in Waziristan you seem to view as legitimate targets...

There is a state of war but does that mean you can do whatever you like?...at what cost do you want to protect the integrity of the country?...

Every child matters.

At the end of the day, you will have to make a choice.

A couple of civilian casualties, inadvertently in a tribal area to help Pakistan government establish control versus high moral ground trying to save every civilian possible and losing the war in the process.

If that is the choice some people want to make , then so be it.

I can understand your points of view.

But If you are ready to risk territorial disintegration of Pakistan from internal and external elements because of having high moral ground and are ready for authority of Government to be undermined to save those civilian lives; (which by the way are important), then hold your ground.

I see no future if Pakistani government gives in after this attack and stops the drone attacks.

10 percent of Pakistan should not control 90 percent of Pakistan and it seems to me you want that to continue indefinitely till we find a good solution.
 
Deepest condolences for your losses [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION], [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION]..
 
Speechless..

meanwhile people here in the UK are blaming it all on Islam.

The problem is with people overseas , its the muslims doing it and its islam what is the cause... Totally gives out a negative image.
 
Would you believe it , one of my maulvis who taught me Quran (when I was young) for a few months said , in our madrassa cricket is haraam so we can only play football or volleyball... I was like why the hell is it haraam .. He goes us me cheezein theek nahin hoti ( I still dont get what the means)
 
Deepest condolences to those who lost blood relatives and to all the nation.It was one of the darkest day in history of mankind.
May ALLAH bless our country with peace and harmony ameen
 
yesterday a teacher beat to death a 7year old student for not paying his fees. what kind of sick @*#** do we have.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION], [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] I am sorry for your loss. My thoughts are with you and your family during these difficult times.

Now the right thing to do will be to make sure that the loss of these innocent lives do not go in vain. If this incident cannot bring the nation together on the front of eliminating the terrorists, nothing can.
 
I really pray that the parents who have lost their kids find inner strength and fortitude to endure and survive this tragedy. They really need it. It's really depressing. When I a non Pakistani, feel so much sad i can't even begin to imagine what Pakistanis are going through. Please don't let the death of these innocent kids go in vain, start saving your country!
 
My Deepest condolences [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION], [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION]. Stay strong brothers.

I cannot really image what you lot must be going through at the moment. My mother has been crying since yesterday seeing the news, and really this is such a horrific act. I really feel sick right now............
 
Needless to say that PPers who lost their loved and close ones are not alone in this hour. We all are with you.

This is one of those times when you cannot think of words to describe your feelings so i have just put it simply. Hope there is a heaven where these children can find peace.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] Please accept my sincere condolences at the loss of your loved ones. My heart is with you in this time of sorrow.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] i am so sorry to hear what you guys have been going through. My brothers stay strong . i am lost for words here. May the animals who did this rot in the deepest pits of hell. operations against these animals should be intensified now and an all out war should be declared against not only them but all those who even insinuate towards justifying their acts
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] My deepest condolences for the losses in your family. Stay strong.
 
Thank you all, your words mean a lot. So many mentions/quotes, please consider this post as a reply to all.

Black day for humanity.

The auditorium looks like a slaughterhouse. Blood bath everywhere. Never seen such a sight
 
This is just a horrendous and sickening incident.It was a black day for Pakistan and also most of us in India are severely effected by this gruesome event occurred.My family are still in a utter state of shock.

Stay strong Brothers [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] and all those whose family and relatives are dealing with this tough time.
You and your loved ones will always be in our prayers.Let patience be upon you in this time of grief.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] sorry for your loss....we share the pain with yall. stay strong.
 
My condolences to anyone affected This was a barbaric and inhumane act on defenceless childeren How can anyone go down to that level?

My prayers are with the little ones Inna lillah hai wainna ilahi rajioon
 
Just heard from my brother that one of the terrorists mentioned god before opening fire on the children :facepalm:

How moronic can these terrorists get? Do you really think god is going to reward you for killing 100's of innocent children in his name?
 
Most of the blame lies on the poor upbringings and lack of education these morons have.

They are educated.

But just in the wrong direction.

Blame it on religion, poverty, no goal in life, corruption or whatever you want to blame it on.

Fact of the matter is, they are educated and are being educated everyday in centers in Pakistan.
 
No words to describe this brutality.

Some of my direct relatives were in that School and they are safe, while a kid of my cousin's in-laws is dead.
Also some of my friend's relatives were also dead. And there are many kids in our neighbourhood that got injured or died.

Also sad for the members in this forum who lost their loved ones.
 
Condolences to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION], @ Hawkeye....

Really sad and sorry hearing about the losses in your families
 
The TTP is ready for a long, long war against the U.S. puppet state of Pakistan,” a TTP commander told me when I reached him on his Afghan cellphone. “We are just displaced, but we are still in positions to attack wherever we want,” said Jihad Yar Wazir.

Yar Wazir justified the killings as fitting retribution. “The parents of the army school are army soldiers and they are behind the massive killing of our kids and indiscriminate bombing in North and South Waziristan,” which are the TTP strongholds. “To hurt them at their safe haven and homes—such an attack is perfect revenge.”

But the children are innocents, I said. What about them, I asked?

“What about our kids and children,” he said. “These are the kids of the U.S.-backed Pakistani army and they should stop their parents from bombing our families and children.” Yar Wazir went on: “Those kids are innocent because they are wearing a suit and tie and Western shirts? But our kids wearing Islamic shalwar kamiz do not come before the eyes of the media and the West.

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This is not over. I fear more attacks are coming.
 
Condolences to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] and [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] .I still can't believe it , Its beyond shocking.
 
I can explain how shocked I was upon hearing this devastating news of an attack on school where these Pigs fired indiscriminately. Everytime this news is repeated on the news channel, I eyes go numb. I might be a student but it all felt as if they were my relatives, My kids, My sisters and brothers. The agony we all as a Nation had to go through yesterday and now is overwhelming.

May Allah (swt) gives courage to the families of little flowers who embraced martyrdom. May their sacrifices be accept and their ranks be elevated in Jannah. And towards the end, May this bunch of savages die and rot in the deeped pit of hell for eternity. Nobody deserves to die in this way. :(
 
Two blasts have been reported near a girl's college in Khyber Pakhtunwa
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Dear Pakistani friends you rightly ask India not to gloat in a moment of grief & loss.I Agree.But why taunt us by putting Hafiz Saeed on TV?</p>— barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/545170335557890048">December 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Why TV Channels are interviewing monster Hafiz Saeed? He blamed India and Hindus for this attack.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Dear Pakistani friends you rightly ask India not to gloat in a moment of grief & loss.I Agree.But why taunt us by putting Hafiz Saeed on TV?</p>— barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/545170335557890048">December 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Why TV Channels are interviewing monster Hafiz Saeed? He blamed India and Hindus for this attack.

no Zionists?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>India, we will NOT forgive you for this atrocity ! You chose the day of December 16th to rub it in. We stand firm, united & will crush you !</p>— Zaid Hamid (@ZaidZamanHamid) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/544793754184318977">December 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Zaid Hamid is a hug clown. Better to avoid him. He spreads misinformation all over Pakistan.
 
Zaid Hamid is a huge clown. Better to avoid him. He spreads misinformation all over Pakistan.
 
Zaid Hamid is a huge clown. Better to avoid him. He spreads misinformation all over Pakistan.

We're all devastated by what has happened. Even the other Indian forum is full of condolence messages all around. The whole world is grieving at this. A black day for everyone.

Yet this human being has nothing better to do other than playing the blame game, that too at a time when a lot of poor, innocent parents are yet to bury their own blood. What a waste of a human being!
 
We're all devastated by what has happened. Even the other Indian forum is full of condolence messages all around. The whole world is grieving at this. A black day for everyone.

Yet this human being has nothing better to do other than playing the blame game, that too at a time when a lot of poor, innocent parents are yet to bury their own blood. What a waste of a human being!
This person is delusional.No critical or logical thinking at all.

Everything is because of India.
 
Even my mum is so upset about what has happened. I tried showing her some images, she refused blatantly. She says she can't bear to watch those mothers devastated beyond belief.
 
This person is delusional.No critical or logical thinking at all.

Everything is because of India.

Even if he believes that India is behind this, now is not the time to spew venom. All of us Indians (barring some illiterate morons) are devastated at what has happened to those poor, innocent kids who were yet to see life at it's fullest. I can't even fathom thinking what's going through those poor parents whose sole reason for living were their beloved kids.
 
Even if he believes that India is behind this, now is not the time to spew venom. All of us Indians (barring some illiterate morons) are devastated at what has happened to those poor, innocent kids who were yet to see life at it's fullest. I can't even fathom thinking what's going through those poor parents whose sole reason for living were their beloved kids.
Yes.
 
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So these beghairat will save the country from Taliban. Couldn't even stop political point scoring for one day.

Aulad e Zia even cracked at joke at the end of the press conference.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Yes yes its very funny that 121 children died yesterday we can share a joke or 2. The mothers of martyrs might smile. <a href="http://t.co/8jiBqHQmOP">pic.twitter.com/8jiBqHQmOP</a></p>— Fakhr-e-Alam (@falamb3) <a href="https://twitter.com/falamb3/status/545193493090422784">December 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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One of the surviving students tells that the attackers were speaking pushto. One of them said "No one should escape, kill them all"
 
Yes yes its very funny that 121 children died yesterday we can share a joke or 2. The mothers of martyrs might smile.

If those pics indeed are latest... God help the parosees.
I dont think any responsible/on tv person would let even a tiny smile escape by when the nation witnessed such a tragedy.. And these two are actually a step away from laughter.
 
Some students' head was taken off as well, not just bullets. This is just too sickening.
 
If those pics indeed are latest... God help the parosees.
I dont think any responsible/on tv person would let even a tiny smile escape by when the nation witnessed such a tragedy.. And these two are actually a step away from laughter.

They didn't even laugh like how the tweeter claimed, he just paused the TV when thy smirked a little when nawaz said something 'funny', he actually mocked imran at that momment
 
I watch the news an hour ago as i live in a hostel in delhi india..still we are in tears..
 
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