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2015 World Cup Result | India beat West Indies by 4 wickets in a low scoring game

i just hope Holder stays on the wicket till the 50th over, they can certainly score 220
 
Bilsher007 said:
Srinath was a mediocre bowler even though he carried the indian bowling in 90s and early 2000s but he was not genuinely quick. His pace hovered around 125-130s max and not much swing or seam movement. If you have that pace ( 125-130s) and you bowl constantly in corridor of uncertainty with brilliant seam movement like glenn mcgrath and Mohammed asif then it's fine but if you have no quality then this pace is disadvantage.
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At his peak, he was faster than anyone bowling from Asia right now. I remember some of his spells.
 
Bilsher007 said:
Srinath was a mediocre bowler even though he carried the indian bowling in 90s and early 2000s but he was not genuinely quick. His pace hovered around 125-130s max and not much swing or seam movement. If you have that pace ( 125-130s) and you bowl constantly in corridor of uncertainty with brilliant seam movement like glenn mcgrath and Mohammed asif then it's fine but if you have no quality then this pace is disadvantage.

Zaheer khan was decent bowler and he became a good death bowler but again he was max 135-140 kph bowler and overall i would say he was decent bowler not a match winning one.


Irfan parhan was a good prospect but he lost pace and swing and turned into a slow spinner !

Shami is turning out to be fastest indian bowler ever and a very good one.
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LOL.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/111878.html
 
Our mistakes have been hidden by WI.Will cost against big teams if they dont improve
 
Sandeep said:
Go watch some cricket son
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I have watched plenty of cricket before u were born kiddo, srinath was thrashed by pakistani batsmen especially saeed anwer and aamir sohail for fun and last night i watched highlights of 2003 world cup final on sky sports where Aussie openers gilchrist and hayden milked srinath at will, later ponting and martyn played havoc with poor srinath.
 
Good knock by holder here. Gave WI some chance. Let's put 220-230.
 
Finally Yadav said enough, I am going to catch on my own bowling,lol

Dhoni did well here by bowling out Yadav rather than bowling with spinners.
 
4 pacers on a pacy WACA pitch with 230 in the bag will actually be a good workout for India
 
210-220 still possible if WI can bat 50 overs
 
They did ok to get to 170 odd considering they were 6 down for not many. But it's going to be heaps too small a total IMO.
 
Bilsher007 said:
I have watched plenty of cricket before u were born kiddo, srinath was thrashed by pakistani batsmen especially saeed anwer and aamir sohail for fun and last night i watched highlights of 2003 world cup final on sky sports where Aussie openers gilchrist and hayden milked srinath at will, later ponting and martyn played havoc with poor srinath.
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Srinath was 135-140 at average. Didn't swing it much. Sas a seam bwler. At his peak he was wuick but he conserved his energis coz india couldnt afford hving him injured.
He was also the 2nd quickest bwler in the 1999 world cup with a ball timed at 149 kph. Your analysis is misinformed brother and I am a pakistani, so no bias
 
Bilsher007 said:
Srinath was a mediocre bowler even though he carried the indian bowling in 90s and early 2000s but he was not genuinely quick. His pace hovered around 125-130s max and not much swing or seam movement. If you have that pace ( 125-130s) and you bowl constantly in corridor of uncertainty with brilliant seam movement like glenn mcgrath and Mohammed asif then it's fine but if you have no quality then this pace is disadvantage.

Zaheer khan was decent bowler and he became a good death bowler but again he was max 135-140 kph bowler and overall i would say he was decent bowler not a match winning one.


Irfan parhan was a good prospect but he lost pace and swing and turned into a slow spinner !

Shami is turning out to be fastest indian bowler ever and a very good one.
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Obviously you haven't seen much cricket!
 
IndianWillow said:
LOL.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/111878.html
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With few exceptions like the link you gave above and the speed he hit 149 ( probably fastest one srinath ever bowled) for large part of his career srinath was an average. When you hear ex cricketers talking about genuine quality fast bowlers who were legends you hear about windies bowlers of 70s, 80s and early 90s then aussie bowlers like lillee, thompson, mcgrath and lee then Pakistani bowlers like sarfraz nawaz, imran khan, wasim akram, waqar younis, mohammed asif and mohammed aamir and for south africans bowlers like donald, pollock, ntini, steyn and for kiwis bowlers like hadlee, shane bond and trent boult.

For india ??? Kapil dev max but srinath ? Lol good joke
 
3 Overs of fast bowlers and 3 for spinner he can really go after the spinners if he plays out the fast bowlers
 
Top class fast bowling, horrible fielding and Holder's performance with the bat were the highlights.
 
Bilsher007 said:
I have been watching cricket since 25-26 years.. I guess you are ridiculously naive to think srinath was little more than average bowler.
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Well, you're either a bitter old man or a troll trying to rile up posters here
 
Stark said:
And i was questioning Dhoni's move to bring back Shami, who only had 4 overs left..
Good wicket.





Yeah.. That was hilarious really.
Thanks a ton for the gif. This is a collectible.

Can you trim it down further? Starting just from when Shami's head is seen bobbing from behind to the end of the gif you created?
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Yep....Trimmed it.

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axl100mph said:
Srinath was 135-140 at average. Didn't swing it much. Sas a seam bwler. At his peak he was wuick but he conserved his energis coz india couldnt afford hving him injured.
He was also the 2nd quickest bwler in the 1999 world cup with a ball timed at 149 kph. Your analysis is misinformed brother and I am a pakistani, so no bias
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He bowled well in 2003 world cup but for large part of his career he was a mediocre bowler, have you ever heard any former great cricketer take srinath's name amongst great or even good bowlers that have played the game.

We use to kick srinath around like anything whenever we played at sharjah, i have seen anwer and sohail tear him apart countless times alongwith other pakistani batsman of 90s. Go and watch highlights of 2003 world cup final and the humiliation given to srinath by gilchrist, hayden and ponting. They toyed with his bowling at will.
 
How many overs will India take to chase down the target? My guess is 43
 
Looks like WI will be the first (official) non-minnow to bat first and not score 300 on an Aussie patta. Thought all the Aussie pattas were 300-400 run wickets.
 
Bilsher007 said:
With few exceptions like the link you gave above and the speed he hit 149 ( probably fastest one srinath ever bowled) for large part of his career srinath was an average. When you hear ex cricketers talking about genuine quality fast bowlers who were legends you hear about windies bowlers of 70s, 80s and early 90s then aussie bowlers like lillee, thompson, mcgrath and lee then Pakistani bowlers like sarfraz nawaz, imran khan, wasim akram, waqar younis, mohammed asif and mohammed aamir and for south africans bowlers like donald, pollock, ntini, steyn and for kiwis bowlers like hadlee, shane bond and trent boult.

For india ??? Kapil dev max but srinath ? Lol good joke
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Srinath was express fast for a few years. He was faster than Kapil at his peak. Srinath did well on the docile/spin friendly pitches of India by averaging 26 at home, so he was much better than your average paceman. The major problem with Srinath was his body language, he did not like hitting the batsmen so he never looked intimidating - he lacked the classical paceman's swagger and this was mainly responsible for his limited success as a bowler. After Phil's death now we can appreciate why Srinath was apprehensive about knocking out batsmen.
 
Sandeep said:
Well, you're either a bitter old man or a troll trying to rile up posters here
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I am not bitter old man ! I am still young ! Why should i be bitter, you obviously were too little or not born in 90s to remember srinath being a good punching boy for pakistani batsmen. Go and watch 2003 world cup final and see what happened to your legend srinath !
 
OZGOD said:
Looks like WI will be the first (official) non-minnow to bat first and not score 300 on an Aussie patta. Thought all the Aussie pattas were 300-400 run wickets.
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They scored that in NZ match :))
 
Bilsher007 said:
I am not bitter old man ! I am still young ! Why should i be bitter, you obviously were too little or not born in 90s to remember srinath being a good punching boy for pakistani batsmen. Go and watch 2003 world cup final and see what happened to your legend srinath !
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Go and watch 2003 world cup match versus India and see what happened to your legendary bowlers. :)
 
This bloke Jason Holder has some courage though. WI did the right thing picking him to be the captain.
 
Bilsher007 said:
I am not bitter old man ! I am still young ! Why should i be bitter, you obviously were too little or not born in 90s to remember srinath being a good punching boy for pakistani batsmen. Go and watch 2003 world cup final and see what happened to your legend srinath !
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I didn't know that Pakistan played 2003 WC final :)
Waqar was a good punching boy for Indian batsmen in 90s :))
 
OZGOD said:
Looks like WI will be the first (official) non-minnow to bat first and not score 300 on an Aussie patta. Thought all the Aussie pattas were 300-400 run wickets.
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That's debatable.
 
Bilsher007 said:
I am not bitter old man ! I am still young ! Why should i be bitter, you obviously were too little or not born in 90s to remember srinath being a good punching boy for pakistani batsmen. Go and watch 2003 world cup final and see what happened to your legend srinath !
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Ok, have you forgotten how your legendary Waqar Younis was smashed to pieces by a mediocre Ajay Jadeja? Does that mean Waqar was a bad bowler?
 
IndianWillow said:
Srinath was express fast for a few years. He was faster than Kapil at his peak. Srinath did well on the docile/spin friendly pitches of India by averaging 26 at home, as much better than your average paceman. The major problem with Srinath was his body language, he did not like hitting the batsmen so he never looked intimidating - he lacked the classical paceman's swagger and this was mainly responsible for his limited success as a bowler. After Phil's death now we can appreciate why Srinath was apprehensive about knocking out batsmen.
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Better than our average bowlers ?!! Ha ha ha good joke, our average bowlers were miles ahead of indian average bowler like srinath. We had better bowlers in club teams than srinath. Likes of muhammed akram and muhammed zahid were miles ahead in quality but never got enough opportunities cause the deadly Ws occupied the team.
 
India as usual will not be going all the guns blazing. They will have a similar slow start, save the wickets and finish the game in early 40 overs. They are not changing their game plan for no body.
 
Bilsher007 said:
Better than our average bowlers ?!! Ha ha ha good joke, our average bowlers were miles ahead of indian average bowler like srinath. We had better bowlers in club teams than srinath. Likes of muhammed akram and muhammed zahid were miles ahead in quality but never got enough opportunities cause the deadly Ws occupied the team.
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No I did not refer to Pakistani bowlers. I just said Srinath was much better than the average Doe.
 
Bilsher007 said:
He bowled well in 2003 world cup but for large part of his career he was a mediocre bowler, have you ever heard any former great cricketer take srinath's name amongst great or even good bowlers that have played the game.

We use to kick srinath around like anything whenever we played at sharjah, i have seen anwer and sohail tear him apart countless times alongwith other pakistani batsman of 90s. Go and watch highlights of 2003 world cup final and the humiliation given to srinath by gilchrist, hayden and ponting. They toyed with his bowling at will.
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No former cricketer ever rates a Pakistani batsmen but that doesn't meant they didn't do the job.Inzi,Zaheer Abbad,Javed Miandad are examples.Wrong analogy
 
Sandeep said:
Ok, have you forgotten how your legendary Waqar Younis was smashed to pieces by a mediocre Ajay Jadeja? Does that mean Waqar was a bad bowler?
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What kind of ridiculous example is that ? Even Abdur razzak hit 5 boundaries off glenn mcgrath in the 2000 tri series match but does that mean mcgrath was mediocre ? NOOOO ...

I was talking about quality level for large part of srinath's career which was average. He bowled well towards the twilight of his career from 2000-2003 but overall he was mediocre. Not hurting a batsman is a rubbish excuse, in the age of sophisticated protective equipment it is lame excuse to say he did'nt want to HURT THE batsman is pathetic to hear ! I don't see other bowlers not bowling intimidating bouncers or lethal yorkers.

I did'nt expect indians to get so worked up about srinath being called mediocre. You have had better bowlers like zaheer khan, ishant sharma, irfan pathan ( who later regressed) and now muhammed shami who are miles better than average bowler like srinath.
 
Bilsher007 said:
What kind of ridiculous example is that ? Even Abdur razzak hit 5 boundaries off glenn mcgrath in the 2000 tri series match but does that mean mcgrath was mediocre ? NOOOO ...

I was talking about quality level for large part of srinath's career which was average. He bowled well towards the twilight of his career from 2000-2003 but overall he was mediocre. Not hurting a batsman is a rubbish excuse, in the age of sophisticated protective equipment it is lame excuse to say he did'nt want to HURT THE batsman is pathetic to hear ! I don't see other bowlers not bowling intimidating bouncers or lethal yorkers.

I did'nt expect indians to get so worked up about srinath being called mediocre. You have had better bowlers like zaheer khan, ishant sharma, irfan pathan ( who later regressed) and now muhammed shami who are miles better than average bowler like srinath.
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You could say Srinath of 90s is the Misbah of Pakistan now. Srinath carrierd the Indian bowling along with the trundler brigade and took quite a few wickets. His length was a bit too short for my liking but he knew his limitations and bowled his heart out. He was never the one to try to break the toes or crush the skulls. Comparing him to W's is unfair. It's like saying Misbah is a useless batsman because he doesn't have a single century while Sachin has 49.
 
JaDed said:
No former cricketer ever rates a Pakistani batsmen but that doesn't meant they didn't do the job.Inzi,Zaheer Abbad,Javed Miandad are examples.Wrong analogy
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The likes of javed miandad, majid khan, zaheer abbas, wasim raja, asif iqbal, saeed anwer, aamir sohail, salim malik, inzamam ul haq, muhammed yousaf have been mentioned by many former cricketere of other countries. You obviously have'nt heard it enough times.
 
Bilsher007 said:
The likes of javed miandad, majid khan, zaheer abbas, wasim raja, asif iqbal, saeed anwer, aamir sohail, salim malik, inzamam ul haq, muhammed yousaf have been mentioned by many former cricketere of other countries. You obviously have'nt heard it enough times.
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who?
 
Bilsher007 said:
The likes of javed miandad, majid khan, zaheer abbas, wasim raja, asif iqbal, saeed anwer, aamir sohail, salim malik, inzamam ul haq, muhammed yousaf have been mentioned by many former cricketere of other countries. You obviously have'nt heard it enough times.
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I see that you slipped Aamir Sohail into the list. Was that a mistake? He averaged 35 in tests and 31 in ODIs. Those are not great numbers by any means
 
rhony said:
You could say Srinath of 90s is the Misbah of Pakistan now. Srinath carrierd the Indian bowling along with the trundler brigade and took quite a few wickets. His length was a bit too short for my liking but he knew his limitations and bowled his heart out. He was never the one to try to break the toes or crush the skulls. Comparing him to W's is unfair. It's like saying Misbah is a useless batsman because he doesn't have a single century while Sachin has 49.
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You are calling misbah mediocre ? Rubbish example, misbah has performed on all types of wickets around the world and he averages 43 in ODIs and 49.00 in tests. He has performed against all top quality attacks, please use a better example.

The mindset of majority pakistanis about misbah ul haq is pathetic. He is best subcontinent batsman to have highest average in non asian conditions.
 
Bilsher007 said:
You are calling misbah mediocre ? Rubbish example, misbah has performed on all types of wickets around the world and he averages 43 in ODIs and 49.00 in tests. He has performed against all top quality attacks, please use a better example.

The mindset of majority pakistanis about misbah ul haq is pathetic. He is best subcontinent batsman to have highest average in non asian conditions.
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These are not bad numbers by any means

Bowling averages
Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
Tests 67 121 15104 7196 236 8/86 13/132 30.49 2.85 64.0 8 10 1
ODIs 229 227 11935 8847 315 5/23 5/23 28.08 4.44 37.8 7 3 0
First-class 147 28618 14027 533 9/76 26.31 2.94 53.6 23 3
List A 290 14981 10684 407 5/23 5/23 26.25 4.27 36.8 9 4 0
 
Bilsher007 said:
You are calling misbah mediocre ? Rubbish example, misbah has performed on all types of wickets around the world and he averages 43 in ODIs and 49.00 in tests. He has performed against all top quality attacks, please use a better example.

The mindset of majority pakistanis about misbah ul haq is pathetic. He is best subcontinent batsman to have highest average in non asian conditions.
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Misbah averages 25 in AUS and SA in tests.
 
Aman said:
Thank god the league is back :D [MENTION=190]OZGOD[/MENTION] are you switching over to Eels and Manly?
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No been with Canberra thru the good and bad I'm sticking with them :)
 
rhony said:
I see that you slipped Aamir Sohail into the list. Was that a mistake? He averaged 35 in tests and 31 in ODIs. Those are not great numbers by any means
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He performed in pressure matches, it's true his numbers are not great but stats don't always tell the story. I was going to add basit ali's name but he did'nt have a long career as he blow whistle alongwith aamir sohail and rashid latif against match fixing. But potentially was very good batsman, he hammered likes of ambrose, walsh, bishop, cummins in west indies and in sharjah. But basit ali had a short career i would' t add him to the list of great batsmen.
 
Opening stand has been pathetic in every match for India in this world cup
 
Bilsher007 said:
He performed in pressure matches, it's true his numbers are not great but stats don't always tell the story. I was going to add basit ali's name but he did'nt have a long career as he blow whistle alongwith aamir sohail and rashid latif against match fixing. But potentially was very good batsman, he hammered likes of ambrose, walsh, bishop, cummins in west indies and in sharjah. But basit ali had a short career i would' t add him to the list of great batsmen.
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Agree with you on Basit. He was a beast. I remember a 6 of his in MCG hitting the roof
 
Dhawan got out the same way so many times in the tri series
 
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