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2019 the unluckiest World Cup for Pakistan?

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Before I start, I would just like to appreciate all that has been said about how we are responsible for our own downfall. Had we turned up against Windies, finished the job against Australia or given India a closer contest, we would not have been in this position. However, it is also true to say that luck has not favoured us in this tournament and in fact, we have been extremely unlucky as a nation. Let me explain why.

1. Rain.

Pakistan lost a crucial point when their game against Sri Lanka was rained off in Bristol. I was at the ground and, along with all other fans, was appalled when, in the beaming sunshine, the umpires decided to call off the game well ahead of the scheduled cut off point. What was worse is that the weather stayed that way for the rest of the day. That was a massive call by the umpires and comments were made by fans in the ground that the call may have been different if one of the big three were scheduled to have played.

In contrast, all of England's games were unaffected by rain. Had they been dented by rain when scheduled to play against a weaker opposition, their world cup campaign could have been very different.

In addition, New Zealand got very lucky when their game against India was rained off. NZ would have most probably lost that game, meaning Pakistan would have overtaken them on points, even if Pakistan's game against Sri Lanka was rained off.

Rain has been completley out of the hands of team Pakistan and it has, unfortunately, cost them dearly.

2. New Zealand's good luck.

On a couple of occasions in this tournament, New Zealand have won games through little more than sheer luck. Take the game against West Indies for example. Carlos Brathwaite scored an absolutely magnificent century. With 6 runs needed to win the game, New Zealand bowled in the slot and Carlos middled it to the boundary for 6...except through nothing more than sheer luck, Boult managed to catch it inches from the boundary. Carlos did not deserve to be out. West Indies did not deserve to lose. New Zealand got lucky.

Similarly, in New Zealand had considerable luck in their games against both Bangladesh and South Africa. Had even one of these three games gone the other way, Pakistan would have gone ahead of New Zealand.

3. Pitches and Toss

When England lost against Pakistan, Australia and Sri Lanka, they looked up to the sky and prayed for two things.

The first was flat pitches. England's "brand" of cricket, which is to smash the ball come what may, works on flat pitches only.

In addition, since the sun has come out in England, strange things have begun to happen to the pitches. At some point between the 30 over mark in the first innings and the start of the second innings, the pitches slow down considerably. For England to survive in this World Cup, they had to win the toss and they had to bat first.

The combination of flat pitches and the toss in two crucial games for England has helped to seal their semi final spot whilst breaking millions of Pakistani hearts.

4. Umpiring

This one might seem harsh on the poor old umps but it is true. In the key Eng v Ind game, after getting lucky with the pitch and toss, England looked up to the sky and prayed for one last thing - that their openers fire. In all three previous defeats, the core issue had been poor starts exposing the middle order too early.

With England on 44-0, Aleem Dar made a mistake which put the final nail in coffin for Pakistan. When Roy gloved the ball to Dhoni, Aleem signalled wide. The next ball went for 6 and the ball after that for 4. England had just been given the life they so desperately craved. it's all the more ironic that the culprit was himself Pakistani.

There have been other umpiring mistakes which hurt us too, although perhaps of less significance. S Ravi rushing to give Nicholls out yesterday springs to mind, although NZ probably would have lost anyway (but maybe not!).

I'm sure there are many other examples that people can think of, but I've tried to limit the above examples to cases where Pakistan genuinely had no control on the outcome. It is also true to say that Pakistan had some luck too - Imad Wasim's lbw appeal against Afghanistan for example. However when looked at as a whole, Pakistan has certainly been the unluckiest team of this World Cup.
 
When you lose 3 games and as a result do not make the semis you cannot really claim to be unlucky.

NZ made it having lost 3 games, so perhaps they might be considered lucky, but if NZ didn't make it I can't see their fans saying they were unlucky. They would likely just say they weren't good enough.

More sour grape posting here. Will you maintain they're unlucky still if Bangladesh beat them tomorrow?
 
Yes you could say that in terms of luck this has been the worst world cup for Pakistan. However the first game against windies has come to bite Pakistan in the behind.
 
Although we were extremely lucky to limp over the finish line against Afghanistan, I won't argue that Pakistan was the luckiest team in this tournament and it appears that we used all our luck two years ago in the Champions Trophy.

However, I believe that we cannot consider the SL match as two points lost because there is a distinct possibility that we could have lost the game. If we could lose in 13 overs to West Indies and win embarrassingly against Afghanistan, we could have also lost to Sri Lanka. People are hell-bent on making Pakistan look like a victim and want to insist that they would have smashed the daylights out of Sri Lanka.

Pakistan are out not because of the Sri Lanka match but what happened in the very first match against the West Indies. After getting the best possible preparation among all sides, we responded by getting shot for a 100 and losing the match in 13.4 overs. It destroyed our NRR and we have been at the mercy of other teams since.

Nevertheless, if anything deserved to be unlucky in this World Cup, its Pakistan. You cannot walk into a World Cup with a 13 match losing streak and two years of associate level performances and hope that things go your way. Pakistan making the semi-finals, let alone winning the World Cup would have been injustice because we don't respect the game and hope for miracles.
 
Lol.

Pak should have been smashed by the minnow Afghanistan.

Just got away due to luck and sheer stupidity of the opposition captain.

Pak was extremely lucky to win that match. They were lucky against England as well. In an ideal scenario Pak will get obliterated by Eng 9 out of 10 times.
 
However, I believe that we cannot consider the SL match as two points lost because there is a distinct possibility that we could have lost the game. If we could lose in 13 overs to West Indies and win embarrassingly against Afghanistan, we could have also lost to Sri Lanka.

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Well said. This is the bit I don't understand. Their same fans who acknowledge their inconsistency want to pretend it was a lock that they'd beat Sri Lanka. Like you I do not know how they can say that.

I also do not think it would have been a foregone conclusion that Pakistan would beat Bangladesh had NZ beaten England last night.
 
Lol.

Pak should have been smashed by the minnow Afghanistan.

Just got away due to luck and sheer stupidity of the opposition captain.

Pak was extremely lucky to win that match. They were lucky against England as well. In an ideal scenario Pak will get obliterated by Eng 9 out of 10 times.

You need to be real and put your hate aside. Every cricket pundit rates the Afghan spin trio they had runs on the board on a dry wicket with spin. Pak did a good job winning that game. I think it was also the only game in which Afghan team were in the position to defend.

PAK has been unlucky and mainly due to the rain. Forget the SL game. NZ got lucky with the rain vs India and thats the difference.
 
Well said. This is the bit I don't understand. Their same fans who acknowledge their inconsistency want to pretend it was a lock that they'd beat Sri Lanka. Like you I do not know how they can say that.

I also do not think it would have been a foregone conclusion that Pakistan would beat Bangladesh had NZ beaten England last night.

Absolutely. Bangladesh are a better batting side and they wouldn't have been dropped by our spinners.
 
I mean I wouldn't normally mention it but since 'luck' seems to be the order of the day. I felt Pakistan were kind of lucky to get the conditions they did against NZ. Dry, slow, used surface. Had they faced NZ in the conditions that Sri Lanka faced NZ in, when Henry, Boult and Ferguson were hooping it all over the place, I'm almost certain NZ would have won.

But hey, now I'm playing the 'could've, should've' game I've been criticizing some Pakistan fans for playing :banned:
 
You guys had a very lucky win against Afghanistan. I watched that match and was really angry at the Afghan captain.
 
According to Mamoon Pakistan should not be even playing cricket, they are that useless that even Rep. of Congo can beat them in tests, ODIs and T20s.
 
You guys had a very lucky win against Afghanistan. I watched that match and was really angry at the Afghan captain.

Same could be said about Afghan vs India match I was gutted when Nabi was out. Afghan should have won that match easy.
 
You get good luck and bad luck, not necessarily in equal measures, when you play sports.
Pakistan if eliminated from this wc, which looks certain, can blame it not to losing to WI or india, who both battered us, but to picking malik instead of haris in the australia game! Most informed posters here knew malik could not score against pace bowling and true to form, he got out for a duck. We only required 40 odd runs to win that match and if haris played, i believe we would have won that match!
So, we weren't good enough, not because of our players, but the poor pak mangement team, who selected malik instead of haris!
 
Very unlucky Pakistan, I personally feel that we performed better in this tournament than what we did in 2015, the rain stopped us from getting through. (Note, not blaming India or NZ)
 
You get good luck and bad luck, not necessarily in equal measures, when you play sports.
Pakistan if eliminated from this wc, which looks certain, can blame it not to losing to WI or india, who both battered us, but to picking malik instead of haris in the australia game! Most informed posters here knew malik could not score against pace bowling and true to form, he got out for a duck. We only required 40 odd runs to win that match and if haris played, i believe we would have won that match!
So, we weren't good enough, not because of our players, but the poor pak mangement team, who selected malik instead of haris!

To be fair the way Harris got out against WI made the management lose confidence over him and go with experience. That was one of the most timid dismissals I have seen.
 
Pak were too inconsistent-NZ played to there strengths smashed the poor teams & got smashed by the big teams.

Anyways good days for pak now no malik hafeez imam safraz imad wahab
 
when you barely win against afghanistan and lose against west indies like a minnows then frankly you dont deserve to go ahead anyway.
 
i think we definately didnt have much luck...with our rain affected games with aussies..english didnt havent affected then NZ had a big washout against india..BUT you get in life what you deserve. For a professional team in a 50 over contest to be OUT before the 20th Over against Windies i am sorry thats not good enough. One must show some fight atleast
 
But then you win against England, NZ, SA that evens it out.

the wins werent as big as the big losses against india , australia and west indies.

lost againt india by 86 runs
lost against australia by 41 runs
lost against west indies in 13th over

these teams dominated pakistan and our run rate took a big hit.

we won against nz in 50th over

won against eng;and by only 14 runs.

the apart from sa we dindt win big enough.
 
To be fair the way Harris got out against WI made the management lose confidence over him and go with experience. That was one of the most timid dismissals I have seen.
.But everyone played poorly in that game, why pick out haris, they could have picked out hafeez. Change one senior for another.
Personally, i would never have pick malik against the aussies!
 
I mean I wouldn't normally mention it but since 'luck' seems to be the order of the day. I felt Pakistan were kind of lucky to get the conditions they did against NZ. Dry, slow, used surface. Had they faced NZ in the conditions that Sri Lanka faced NZ in, when Henry, Boult and Ferguson were hooping it all over the place, I'm almost certain NZ would have won.

But hey, now I'm playing the 'could've, should've' game I've been criticizing some Pakistan fans for playing :banned:

The wicket was same as the SA vs NZ. Lol
 
The wicket was same as the SA vs NZ. Lol

Firstly you do understand the same wicket on the same ground can play very differently at different times right?

And secondly, what does that have to do with the fact that dry used subcontinent-like pitch in the Pak v NZ game was completely opposite to that greenish damn pitch NZ thrashed SL on. That was my point.
 
Top 3 run getters for Pakistan in this world cup

Babar Azam 378 runs 63.00 avge Strike rate 85.52
Hafeez 226 runs 32.28 avge strike rate 86.92
Imam 205 runs 29.28 avge Strike rate 68.33

Top 3 wicket takers for Pakistan

Amir 16 wickets 20.43 avge 4.95 ER
Afridi 10 wickets 19.90 avge 5.23 ER
Wahab 10 wickets 36.70 avge 6.15 ER

To add to that Pakistan has the highest number of dropped catches something like 14

So you consider this performance deserves better?
 
Pakistan won a WC because of rain, you shouldn't really be complaining or talking about luck.

We're fortunate to get through but we're not going to win a WC off it, and it was likely you wouldn't either.

You just gotta accept the cards you're dealt.
 
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For Pakistan one batsman showed up. Even he pales into significance in terms of impacts from other countries. One bowled showed up. Not many fielders showed up. They got what they deserved. If they beat BD they can finish 5th which is the right position. Probably a good campaign given the standard of their performance.
 
I just thought incompetancy was individual.

Found out today its not individual, it could happen to masses ;-)
 
After watching pak struggle to beat afghan beating Lanka was not a given lakmal & malinga could have easily had pak there usual 20/3 on that cloudy day.
 
Not unlucky at all. Let's not forget, we most likely would have lost to Afghanistan had Imad been given out correctly. Also, Roy dropped Hafeez and had a bad day with the bat too, using up the review. And despite having 5 games in England, we embarrased ourselves against the West Indies. And don't get me started on rain. The same fans crying about the rained off game vs SL are the ones who were praying rain would save us vs India. I myself wanted rain to save us against India, which is why I'm not being a hypocrite and therefore, have just accepted that rain vs SL was out of our control rather than moaning about it.
 
Let me see- you turn up to a WC you had 4 years to prepare for doing the following... and STILL want to claim bad luck?

1) Completely unaware of your best team. After 4 years of planning. No idea. There were players in & out, picked from OUTSIDE the initial 30, tried & cast aside right up to the first match. Not just 1 or 2 positions- entire fast bowling lineups. There was NO spin option whose name was not Shadab. Not a SINGLE full time finger spinner.

2) Who was the spinning allrounder? Malik? Hafeez? Imam?

3) Haris Sohail is 30 years old now. Thirty. 30 in Pakistan years & it took him this long to oust your "seniors".

4) How do you turn up against teams like NZ & England who have had ALL the above sorted for 2 years+ & spent the rest of the time fine tuning that team & playing style .... turn up completely unprepared, shambolic, not even knowing who is in your best team, choking it all out the window & trying to start again & beat those PROFESSIONAL teams who sorted all that years ago & then groomed the players into their roles & fine tuned the details & mentally prepared for years...

How do you think you have the right to turn up a shambles, not quite make it because you can't win consistently BECAUSE the team is an unprofessional shambles & then claim BAD LUCK was your problem in this tournament because a miracle didn't occur?

There was no bad luck. Merely the absence of a miracle & format which exposed inconsistent & ill prepared & weaker teams.

Absorb that. Become good enough to take luck out of the equation. Strong enough that you can handle some bad luck & still win. Then you'll find some good luck too. You'll make your own luck.
 
This was expected when our experienced seniors (Malik, Hafeez, Sarfraz) are gonna play with 30+ averages. Compare them to seniors of other best teams and picture will be clear..
 
So Pakistan struggling against Afghanistan is a sign the team is very poor , but India being put in a tough spot is just a sign of Afghanistan playing well? We were a better team than nz in this tournament for sure . Even if one of two between india-nz or Pakistan-SL not rained out we would have been through.
 
No, WC 2007 in West Indies where Bob Woolmer died during the tournament just a few hours after Pakistan were eliminated by Ireland, we were one the strongest team on paper and crashed out, remember players hiding their faces from fans at Heathrow.
 
Despite some misfortunes with rain (SL vs Pak; IndvsNZ), the squad and team selection (playing Malik, leaving out Haris for some games, as well playing Hasan Ali instead of Husnain/Shadab) meant that Pak management blew any chance Pak had. In the end the manner in which we lost WI game was the difference and seniors were not able to show their experience when needed most.
 
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If I were the opposing captain, i'd pack my team with 5 quality leg-spinners and see how this team survive 50 overs of batting, let alone score 300+ totals. If anything, this team is lucky to not face such a challenge from the opposing teams in this World Cup.
 
Hammered by West Indies.

Soundly beaten by India

Threw away the match versus Australia from a position where they could have won the match.

Scraped a win versus Afghanistan.

Simply not good enough, nothing to do with bad luck.
 
Hammered by West Indies.

Soundly beaten by India

Threw away the match versus Australia from a position where they could have won the match.

Scraped a win versus Afghanistan.

Simply not good enough, nothing to do with bad luck.

Saj dont agree with you on that one. You make it sound as if PAK were the only team winning tight games and losing 3 games.

People feel gutted due to the fact PAK won 3 games in a row and looked to be picking up some good steam. To get out like this hurts if course as the train suddenly gets crushed.

Yes, we can blame the team for certain failures but LUCK and RAIN played major part in NZ getting to the semis, you cant deny that.

Anyways its time to move because PAK cricket didnt start with the 2019 WC and for sure will not finish with the 2019 WC.

things like this happen also in life, time to get up and move on.
 
Looks like all the world cup luck was used by Imran in 1992.

1992 remains the luckiest and flukiest world cup victory ever.

Our best World cup campaign performance and quality wise is still 2011 World cup. That team needed a little luck in the semis and they were capable enough to pull it off.
 
Yes, we can blame the team for certain failures but LUCK and RAIN played major part in NZ getting to the semis, you cant deny that.

LUCK and RAIN were the two main reasons Pakistan won the 1992 world cup.
So I guess it's kinda even Stevens now
 
Ironically Sri Lankan win against England was lucky for Pakistan as well.
 
Looks like all the world cup luck was used by Imran in 1992.

1992 remains the luckiest and flukiest world cup victory ever.

Our best World cup campaign performance and quality wise is still 2011 World cup. That team needed a little luck in the semis and they were capable enough to pull it off.

The team was never going to win on Indian soil in 2011. Heck they wouldn't have been allowed to play in Mumbai in the final. I still have my doubts that the order came from a governmental level to let India win in Mohali.
 
Looks like all the world cup luck was used by Imran in 1992.

1992 remains the luckiest and flukiest world cup victory ever.

Our best World cup campaign performance and quality wise is still 2011 World cup. That team needed a little luck in the semis and they were capable enough to pull it off.

No it wasn't... Best one was 1999
 
I like the term control the controllables.

It wasn't bad luck but our ineptitude vs the short ball vs WI that hammered our NRR.

It wasn't bad luck but our awful new ball bowling vs AUS on a damp, greenish wicket that cost us a winnable game.

That's where the WC was lost.
 
Looks like all the world cup luck was used by Imran in 1992.

1992 remains the luckiest and flukiest world cup victory ever.

Our best World cup campaign performance and quality wise is still 2011 World cup. That team needed a little luck in the semis and they were capable enough to pull it off.

No it wasn't... Best one was 1999

It was neither. In 1999, we lost four matches in total including to Bangladesh as well as a weak India team along with South Africa and a humiliation in the final vs Australia.

Our batting was wholly dependent on Anwar and Inzamam, and lusty blows from Moin and Wasim. It's the bowling that people remember but as a team they were too inconsistent.

In 2011, we lost heavily to a NZ team that we beat only a few months earlier in their own backyard and nearly lost to Canada, before the Mohali defeat where our terrible catching and soft dismissals cost us. We had a very limited batting unit with the likes of Hafeez, Shehzad, Kamran, Shafiq, Younis and Misbah, and a weak pace attack.

In 1987 we had the most balanced unit and were a consistently performing team going into WC. We won 5 out of 7 matches - and lost in the SF due to a bad Salim Jaffer final over.
 
i feel sorry for Sri Lanka that had 2 games rained off. Im not saying they could have won both games but it is not fair competition when some teams get to play all their matches and some teams dont.

In a world cup everything should be fair for all teams. Just imagine if Englands matches against Bangladesh and Afganistan were rained off? They would have been eliminated. Cricket world cup is a joke
 
Pakistan won a WC because of rain, you shouldn't really be complaining or talking about luck.

We're fortunate to get through but we're not going to win a WC off it, and it was likely you wouldn't either.

You just gotta accept the cards you're dealt.

Blew a great opportunity in 2015.

Let's hope NZ take full advantage this time around
 
We are out because we are not good enough. You guys want Pakistan cricket to change but you don't want to start with the most difficult thing . Making out as though we are hard done by won't change anything. We aren't victims. We are out because of how we performed in the games we lost.
 
Definitely been unlucky. It happens though. Hopefully there is some positive change in the Pakistani cricket setup and we use the next 4 years properly to be serious contenders in India come 2023.
 
Definitely not unlucky - we had our fair share of luck when Afghanistan captain bowled himself in the 46th over, else it would have been all over even before the Eng-Ind game. Plus Eng loosing the SL game itself was lucky as it created an opportunity which shouldn’t have existed.

Plus we should not be complaining about flat pitches because we had a big headsup over other teams When we played in the Eng series before the WC.

The truth is we had many things going for us, yet we squandered it big time when WI schooled us in the first game itself. Nobody else to blame for our plight.
 
Ironically Sri Lankan win against England was lucky for Pakistan as well.

Lol fair point .

Our WC would have been over long ago had Sri Lanka not won that game as we were never going to catch NZ on NRR .
 
Despite all the criticism I would agree that we have been tad bit unlucky. The team started peaking at the perfect time for the semis and finals and looked like a team that could beat any top side in this world Cup. Not that anyone's responsible to help Pakistan qualify the way India and newzealand played their games against England did not help. The loss against West Indies is the true culprit of why we ended up not qualifying. Pakistan would have certainly been a more exciting prospect for knockout stages than newzealand who got a lot more than they asked for considering their lack of motivation and intent in the last few games in the group stage.
 
Indeed.

Pak has been hit by rain the most. It lost its 2 points against SL and also Sarfraz chose to bowl first against Aus, Ind keeping the possibility of rain in mind.

It is what it is. You can do nothing about it. Have to move on.
 
Although we were extremely lucky to limp over the finish line against Afghanistan, I won't argue that Pakistan was the luckiest team in this tournament and it appears that we used all our luck two years ago in the Champions Trophy.

However, I believe that we cannot consider the SL match as two points lost because there is a distinct possibility that we could have lost the game. If we could lose in 13 overs to West Indies and win embarrassingly against Afghanistan, we could have also lost to Sri Lanka. People are hell-bent on making Pakistan look like a victim and want to insist that they would have smashed the daylights out of Sri Lanka.

Pakistan are out not because of the Sri Lanka match but what happened in the very first match against the West Indies. After getting the best possible preparation among all sides, we responded by getting shot for a 100 and losing the match in 13.4 overs. It destroyed our NRR and we have been at the mercy of other teams since.

Nevertheless, if anything deserved to be unlucky in this World Cup, its Pakistan. You cannot walk into a World Cup with a 13 match losing streak and two years of associate level performances and hope that things go your way. Pakistan making the semi-finals, let alone winning the World Cup would have been injustice because we don't respect the game and hope for miracles.

You never have a good word to say about Pakistan ever. It does not surprise me therefore that you jump on any opportunity to criticise the team. Pakistan have played exceptionally well at the back end of this tournament. Fact. Pakistan have beaten two semi finalists. Fact. New Zealand haven't won a single game against the semi finalists plus Pakistan. Fact.

In these circumstances, anyone who refuses to acknowledge that Pakistan has had rotten luck can't be taken seriously.
 
Pakistan used a tournament full of luck just in the match against Afghans.

Let's recap

Haris should have been out for 5 and Imad for a duck, both decisions were straightforward. Umpires decided not to.
Afghans' main quick got injured which meant Gulbadin had to bowl.
Gulbadin decided to bowl not just one but 2 overs of filth at the death.

With this in mind, you have to be quite deluded to think this was an unlucky, leave alone the unluckiest, tournament for Pakistan.
 
Pakistan used a tournament full of luck just in the match against Afghans.

Let's recap

Haris should have been out for 5 and Imad for a duck, both decisions were straightforward. Umpires decided not to.
Afghans' main quick got injured which meant Gulbadin had to bowl.
Gulbadin decided to bowl not just one but 2 overs of filth at the death.

With this in mind, you have to be quite deluded to think this was an unlucky, leave alone the unluckiest, tournament for Pakistan.

Stop talking sense, you're supposed to play the game and only list things where Pakistan were unlucky, you're not allowed to mention their lucky things. Haha
 
You never have a good word to say about Pakistan ever. It does not surprise me therefore that you jump on any opportunity to criticise the team. Pakistan have played exceptionally well at the back end of this tournament. Fact. Pakistan have beaten two semi finalists. Fact. New Zealand haven't won a single game against the semi finalists plus Pakistan. Fact.

In these circumstances, anyone who refuses to acknowledge that Pakistan has had rotten luck can't be taken seriously.

You're the only one who can't be taken seriously. Pakistan does not deserve to be in the semi's because of the fact that they're not a top 4 team and that's that.
 
Well to be perfectly honest Pakistan has played better cricket than NZ.
 
There is nothing unlucky about Pakistan's campaign. They just did not play well, simple. If they had won at least one more game they would have made it to the semi finals ahead of NZ. Off course they would need to beat Bangladesh today but they would have had a better chance and their NRR wouldn't have been so bad either. Poor planning and execution was the reason for Pakistan's exit, luck has nothing to do with it.
 
When you lose 3 games and as a result do not make the semis you cannot really claim to be unlucky.

NZ made it having lost 3 games, so perhaps they might be considered lucky, but if NZ didn't make it I can't see their fans saying they were unlucky. They would likely just say they weren't good enough.

More sour grape posting here. Will you maintain they're unlucky still if Bangladesh beat them tomorrow?

Mighty England also lost 3
 
Well to be perfectly honest Pakistan has played better cricket than NZ.

The bottom line is BOTH NZ and Pakistan have been ordinary in this WC. I don't think either could consider themselves unlucky for NOT making it, since neither played consistently well.
 
We were not unlucky. Simply, we are not a good ODI side. This has been the case for the last decade. When you have lost 25 of your last 30 matches, it boils down to your skills and competency.
 
You never have a good word to say about Pakistan ever. It does not surprise me therefore that you jump on any opportunity to criticise the team. Pakistan have played exceptionally well at the back end of this tournament. Fact. Pakistan have beaten two semi finalists. Fact. New Zealand haven't won a single game against the semi finalists plus Pakistan. Fact.

In these circumstances, anyone who refuses to acknowledge that Pakistan has had rotten luck can't be taken seriously.

“Exceptionally well”?

We were sweating bullets against Afghanistan and did everything we could to lose the game. We only had 2-3 good games out of 7 and had complete stinkers against West Indies and Afghanistan.

Those who say that Pakistan were unlucky because of the Sri Lanka washout conveniently ignore that Sri Lanka’s upset win over England was also lucky for Pakistan. Had England won that game, we would have been eliminated earlier.

It is not about beating semi-finalists or beating X and Y. You get 9 matches (8 in our case) and you have to be better in the majority of the games. We weren’t.

As far the notion that New Zealand got lucky, well it wasn’t their fault that Pakistan destroyed their NRR against West Indies and didn’t do anything in the remaining games to boost their NRR.

Wallowing in self-pity won’t change anything. We are a poor team that played poor cricket in this World Cup and got what it deserved.
 
The system and politics has robbed cricket fans from seeing an inform Pakistan going into knockouts

Even as an Indian, a part of me feels sad today seeing Pakistan having to exit the World Cup.

I feel robbed by this pathetic format.

I feel robbed by the cowardice of India and New Zealand cricket team who threw their matches away without putting up a fight.

Pakistan in terms of current form are right at the top in the World Cup.

It’s not about who deserves what but about how this format and this politics in the cricketing world ensured that a team in red hot form, peaking just at the right team was forced to exit the cup.

It’s a disgrace
 
I agree with freelance, don't agree on the part that India n NZL threw away their games, no way, but I agree that Pakistan were more deserving than NZL to make the semis. Even I'm an Indian but I felt bad, because I love this game above everything else and an inform Pakistan in the Semis would have certainly lit up the knock outs big time.

Sad it won't happen.
 
A lot of people out there I’m sorry but you being apologists is very embarrassing. Stop being overly critical of Pakistan team. They could not play Sri Lanka, a team they ALWAYS brag in world cups with ease. With 12 points they were going through without even NRR coming into the equation.

I don’t care which sport you are playing but a format which lets a team be eliminated after m having a 4 match winning streak , having beaten 2 top ranked teams in its path is just not right.

Say whatever.

I’m current form, Pakistan is right up there, they peaked at the right time and would have been red hot favourites going into the knockouts. There should be no denying that.

I’m much much more relieved playing England than I would have been playing Pakistan.

Australia literally has a walkover against Kiwis now they are already in the finals

This format is a disgrace so are the teams who showed cowardice towards the end and played petty politics to ensure Pakistan be eliminated
 
This happens in every world cup. A good team misses out on the SF based on one poor performance in the group stages.
India and New Zealand shut shop and focussed on NRR when they realized they could not win against England. That's called playing smart and not cowardice.
 
NZ got lucky playing all the easy teams first and doing enough to qualify even though they didn't end up beating any top teams.

Also, that SL match was a bummer for Pak.

But it's a tournament. Sometimes you need luck to win it like in 1992. Sometimes luck doesn't go your way.

For all we know NZ could go on to win this world cup and it will be like a surprising outcome like 1992 fairytale.

It is what it is, pak fans should accept it with humility and not be drama queens about it.
 
Before opening it i thought this thread would be in reference to the system and politics that allowed Shoaib Malik to get into the squad.
 
NZ got lucky playing all the easy teams first and doing enough to qualify even though they didn't end up beating any top teams.

Also, that SL match was a bummer for Pak.

But it's a tournament. Sometimes you need luck to win it like in 1992. Sometimes luck doesn't go your way.

For all we know NZ could go on to win this world cup and it will be like a surprising outcome like 1992 fairytale.

It is what it is, pak fans should accept it with humility and not be drama queens about it.

Playing weak(er) teams early is both an advantage and a disadvantage. Pakistan got West Indies first up after warming up with 5 ODIs against England, and they made a complete hash of it.
 
Atleast Pakistan showed fight.

That’s all what we wanted after the drubbing we got.

But nonetheless I wanted Pakistan to make the semi-finals and wanted to see another India vs Pakistan semi or a final.

This will be a learning curve for many of the youngsters.
 
This happens in every world cup. A good team misses out on the SF based on one poor performance in the group stages.
India and New Zealand shut shop and focussed on NRR when they realized they could not win against England. That's called playing smart and not cowardice.

Pakistan are not a good team, they lost matches they needed to win, they batted poorly which is reflected in their NRR, they come into the cup with about 13 losses in a row.

Wake up people, Pakistan made their own fate.
 
Things usually balance out and the format was long enough for this to happen. Pakistan were just not good enough in the end.
 
Pakistan are not a good team, they lost matches they needed to win, they batted poorly which is reflected in their NRR, they come into the cup with about 13 losses in a row.

Wake up people, Pakistan made their own fate.

No one denies that. Just you have Kenya in teh semis now
 
NZ got lucky playing all the easy teams first and doing enough to qualify even though they didn't end up beating any top teams.

Also, that SL match was a bummer for Pak.

But it's a tournament. Sometimes you need luck to win it like in 1992. Sometimes luck doesn't go your way.

For all we know NZ could go on to win this world cup and it will be like a surprising outcome like 1992 fairytale.

It is what it is, pak fans should accept it with humility and not be drama queens about it.

Never ever compare the 1992 PAK team with the current NZ 2019 team:moyo
 
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