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22nd March, 2017 : Attack on Houses of Parliament [PICTURES]

May the poor victims Rest In Peace.

I think almost all of us in the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand treasure the Westminster parliamentary system above virtually anything else in life. And this sort of senseless brutality appalls us all.

I will leave it to those of you who are Pakistani to advise me what the perpetrator's style of facial hair indicates.

Lastly, did any of you read the Mayor of Tel Aviv's tweet? It read: "City Hall lit up tonight in colours of the Union Jack, in solidarity with the city of #London and my colleague @SadiqKhan".

I thought that was lovely.
 
There were addresses raided in "Londonistan" "The Poverty Capital of England" too
 
great response by the armed forces and security services. These type of attacks are the hardest to stop because they could be done by anyone just picking up a knife hiring a car and then going crazy. It doesnt require a great deal of sophistication or training in a terrorist camp or months of planning smuggling of weapons and chemicals to make explosives like we have seen in the attacks in France. This attack is nigh on impossible to stop apart from putting up more security barriers outside places like Parliament or other key landmarks.
 
great response by the armed forces and security services. These type of attacks are the hardest to stop because they could be done by anyone just picking up a knife hiring a car and then going crazy. It doesnt require a great deal of sophistication or training in a terrorist camp or months of planning smuggling of weapons and chemicals to make explosives like we have seen in the attacks in France. This attack is nigh on impossible to stop apart from putting up more security barriers outside places like Parliament or other key landmarks.

Agree, also a strong response by the UK government to return to Parliament for a collective tribute this morning, and nice to receive many heartening statements of solidarity from our allies around the world.

RIP the victims. PC Palmer, a brave British hero.
 
great response by the armed forces and security services. These type of attacks are the hardest to stop because they could be done by anyone just picking up a knife hiring a car and then going crazy. It doesnt require a great deal of sophistication or training in a terrorist camp or months of planning smuggling of weapons and chemicals to make explosives like we have seen in the attacks in France. This attack is nigh on impossible to stop apart from putting up more security barriers outside places like Parliament or other key landmarks.

And the emergency health folk including the NHS who along with the armed forces and security services are incredibly underpaid.
 
Why would I have different levels of shock? Every Western country is in danger of attacks. So no, I am not surprised one bit.

I see where you're coming from and that we shouldn't be selective in our outrage in addition to external factors and root causes which cause these tragedies but at the end of the day even if there are some folk who see British Muslims in the UK as mutants it still hurts when Brits become victims of such violence and at times even more then things which happen beyond the UK because they are our people after all and it could have been our family's which would have been victims yesterday, that maniacal man did not have specific targets in mind of a certain background in the same way a bomb which just explodes killing everything in sight. #WeStandTogether
 
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May the poor victims Rest In Peace.

I think almost all of us in the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand treasure the Westminster parliamentary system above virtually anything else in life. And this sort of senseless brutality appalls us all.

I will leave it to those of you who are Pakistani to advise me what the perpetrator's style of facial hair indicates.

Lastly, did any of you read the Mayor of Tel Aviv's tweet? It read: "City Hall lit up tonight in colours of the Union Jack, in solidarity with the city of #London and my colleague @SadiqKhan".

I thought that was lovely.

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Me giving that evil person an elbow drop:

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Take that! #WeStandTogether
 
Have any of you noticed the Trump dimension to this tragedy?

The president's son retweeted - and expressed outrage at - Mayor Sadiq Khan having last year commented that "as Mayor of a major city, dealing with the threat of terrorism is part and parcel of the job".

Trump Jr seems to have misunderstood and thought that Khan was somehow endorsing terror attacks (as opposed to preparation to defend his city against them).

It reminded me of Rodney Marsh's notorious sledge against Ian Botham, which I won't repeat here as the attack is too fresh for levity at this time.

On a serious note, it's marvellous to see the country united against terrorism, but also that all sides united in parliament not just against these monsters but also against compromising our values by demonising a faith or sacrificing the freedoms and rights these terrorists want us to compromise.

If you think about it, our American cousins are our great friends, but their response does differ to ours - they respond to these provocations in a different way. I guess our history of dealing with Irish Catholic terrorism - and how we eventually ended it peacefully - means that we regrettably have more experience of handling terrorism than most other western countries. Not that that's a desirable type of experience to have.
 
Have any of you noticed the Trump dimension to this tragedy?

The president's son retweeted - and expressed outrage at - Mayor Sadiq Khan having last year commented that "as Mayor of a major city, dealing with the threat of terrorism is part and parcel of the job".

Trump Jr seems to have misunderstood and thought that Khan was somehow endorsing terror attacks (as opposed to preparation to defend his city against them).

It reminded me of Rodney Marsh's notorious sledge against Ian Botham, which I won't repeat here as the attack is too fresh for levity at this time.

On a serious note, it's marvellous to see the country united against terrorism, but also that all sides united in parliament not just against these monsters but also against compromising our values by demonising a faith or sacrificing the freedoms and rights these terrorists want us to compromise.

If you think about it, our American cousins are our great friends, but their response does differ to ours - they respond to these provocations in a different way. I guess our history of dealing with Irish Catholic terrorism - and how we eventually ended it peacefully - means that we regrettably have more experience of handling terrorism than most other western countries. Not that that's a desirable type of experience to have.

Yes I read about that, Khan's comments were taken out of context and am not sure if he misunderstood probably just very thick; this is what was said last year by the Mayor:

"Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you have to be prepared for these sorts of things, you have to be vigilant, you have to support the police doing an incredibly hard job, you have to support the security services,"
 
It turns out this attacker was previously known to MI5 but was considered a "peripheral figure" meaning he was investigated in the past and discounted as a threat by intelligence officers.
 
It turns out this attacker was previously known to MI5 but was considered a "peripheral figure" meaning he was investigated in the past and discounted as a threat by intelligence officers.

I thought they are supposed to be the sharpest tools in the box? Not many are going to like it but even extremist tendencies at the minuscule level e.g hate preachers need to be dealt with and given severe penalties thankfully we've seen that with the demise of Anjem Chaundry but the MI5 need to do a better job because these bigots are a cancer which preys on the minds of youngsters. I've read the attacker had given a couple of weird talks in the past to brainwash people with his moronic ideas. Forger Wenger Out! Wahabi Out! Salafi Out! Tommy Robinson Out!
 
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I thought they are supposed to be the sharpest tools in the box? Not many are going to like it but even extremist tendencies at the minuscule level e.g hate preachers need to be dealt with and given severe penalties thankfully we've seen that with the demise of Anjem Chaundry but the MI5 need to do a better job because these bigots are a cancer which preys on the minds of youngsters. I've read the attacker had given a couple of weird talks in the past to brainwash people with his moronic ideas. Forger Wenger Out! Wahabi Out! Salafi Out! Tommy Robinson Out!

To be honest I think our security services and police have done quite well to avert a major terror attack for the last 12 years. Most reports state that at least a dozen attacks are thwarted every year.

Remember, our guys have to get it 100% right every day, whereas the enemy only has to get it about 70% right - once.

A tragic terrorist incident, but likely to be nobody's fault that it happened. On this occasion I feel that we should be blaming only the attacker himself.
 
great response by the armed forces and security services. These type of attacks are the hardest to stop because they could be done by anyone just picking up a knife hiring a car and then going crazy. It doesnt require a great deal of sophistication or training in a terrorist camp or months of planning smuggling of weapons and chemicals to make explosives like we have seen in the attacks in France. This attack is nigh on impossible to stop apart from putting up more security barriers outside places like Parliament or other key landmarks.

We have to strike a balance. The Palace of Westminster is a major tourist attraction, schoolchildren visit the Houses of Parliament every day, as do members of the public to meet their MPs. Its an open, public building and that's the beauty of our democracy.

Of course, you have to do everything to prevent incidents like this. The terrorist who attacked Westminster yesterday managed to rush through the carriage gates used by ministers and MPs - where people are coming and going all the time. Maybe there needs to be an armed presence there.
 
To be honest I think our security services and police have done quite well to avert a major terror attack for the last 12 years. Most reports state that at least a dozen attacks are thwarted every year.

Remember, our guys have to get it 100% right every day, whereas the enemy only has to get it about 70% right - once.

A tragic terrorist incident, but likely to be nobody's fault that it happened. On this occasion I feel that we should be blaming only the attacker himself.

The attacker is certainly the biggest culprit and I agree that more often then not the security services do a great job especially in the aftermath of 7/7 with some big changes coming but they must strive for perfection and look to improve, they may have thwarted a major attack but lives have still been lost and in such instances they will have to go back to the drawing board and look at what went wrong and how they could have done things differently. Without a doubt our services are the best in the world and they need to continue to do that justice!
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] what i meant was not that our lives as Britona means more than someone in Iraq or Syria but that obvs we arent used to attacks like these in the U.K regularly like is the case in those countries. So if i see on the news 20 dead in Baghdad suicide bombing im sad at the loss of life of course but because ive seen so many headlines like that over recent years i am desensitised to it somewhat. Also being a Briton what happens in the U.K affects me more we as humans all have our biases like for a lot of Muslims conflicts in Syria Iraq Palestine are closer to their hearts than say the War in Ukraine or the Civil war in South Sudan that is a part of our human nature.
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] what i meant was not that our lives as Britona means more than someone in Iraq or Syria but that obvs we arent used to attacks like these in the U.K regularly like is the case in those countries. So if i see on the news 20 dead in Baghdad suicide bombing im sad at the loss of life of course but because ive seen so many headlines like that over recent years i am desensitised to it somewhat. Also being a Briton what happens in the U.K affects me more we as humans all have our biases like for a lot of Muslims conflicts in Syria Iraq Palestine are closer to their hearts than say the War in Ukraine or the Civil war in South Sudan that is a part of our human nature.

I agree with you, feel the same way
 
ISIS have claimed credit for the attack, thereby confirming their status as the world's most successful Mickey Mouse organisation.
 
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/m...nster-parliament-attack-Labour-MPs-1282306096

'Muslims United for London': Fund for attack victims raises thousands of pounds

#LondonAttack

Initiative to raise money for vicims of attack was set up by businessman trapped by incident and has support from two members of parliament

https://www.launchgood.com/project/muslims_united_for_london#/

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/westminster?src=hash">#westminster</a> attacker confirmed as Khalid Masood, aged 52, born in Kent and believe to be most recently living in the West Mids.</p>— Dominic Casciani (@BBCDomC) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCDomC/status/844934151853756419">23 March 2017</a></blockquote>
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Khalid Masood is such a Pakistani name :facepalm:


Hoping against hope this guy isn't Pakistani
 
The concern here isn't whether this guy had a pakistani origin or not , the concern is he being a muslim. When was the last time you saw someone waging a war or committing a terrrorist act in the name of Pakistan ? Hasn't happened yet. Pakistan's name and image isn't looked down upon in the world because of it's national actions but for some factions within the country having extremist views and individuals from the country waging war in terms of Islam.
Until the notion of waging war against Non Islamic population isn't corrected , Islamic countries would continue to wear the brunt of it. Policies and a harder stance within has to change at the grassroot level for a change to happen.
If minorities would be persecuted , and Afridi (owner of the Peshawar team) calling out player's to convert - that mentality has to be shut down - otherwise those things look acceptable and "right" and some people take it to extreme levels and these things happen
 
Khalid Masood is such a Pakistani name :facepalm:


Hoping against hope this guy isn't Pakistani

Trust me, it's with great shame I say this but most of these uncouth extremists are 1st or 2nd generation. He's no Pakistani.

The immigrants value the opportunity to be in the UK and make something of themselves.

People like him on the other hand are losers who never made anything of themselves in life! Religious extremism is going from bad to worse in the UK! A large percentage of the Brit population of SE Asian descent are on a downhill path!
 
So another terrorist of Pakistani origin? What is going wrong in this community?
 
Hearing he was a convert and if true then unlikely he's of Pakistany origin.

No doubt someone with serious mental issues
 
Khalid Masood is such a Pakistani name :facepalm:


Hoping against hope this guy isn't Pakistani

Well he's born in Kent so that answers that question.

So a 52 year old man, born in one of the wealthiest parts of the country (not some rough estate up North), probably has a family and kids to raise, and this is how he ends his life.

Looks like he had a criminal record too:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39372154

But he was known to the police and his previous convictions included GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.

His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.


He had not been convicted of any terrorism offences.
 
The concern here isn't whether this guy had a pakistani origin or not , the concern is he being a muslim. When was the last time you saw someone waging a war or committing a terrrorist act in the name of Pakistan ? Hasn't happened yet. Pakistan's name and image isn't looked down upon in the world because of it's national actions but for some factions within the country having extremist views and individuals from the country waging war in terms of Islam.
Until the notion of waging war against Non Islamic population isn't corrected , Islamic countries would continue to wear the brunt of it. Policies and a harder stance within has to change at the grassroot level for a change to happen.
If minorities would be persecuted , and Afridi (owner of the Peshawar team) calling out player's to convert - that mentality has to be shut down - otherwise those things look acceptable and "right" and some people take it to extreme levels and these things happen

You are jumbling up a lot of stuff there and then your message becomes quite confusing. For example, Javed Afridi's crass statements about Sammy possibly converting to Islam don't really deserve to be mixed up with this story.

Also how can the "notion of war against non Islamic population" be corrected when Islamic countries don't agree with such a notion in the first place? You are attributing the policy of ISIS to Islamic countries in general it would appear.
 
So another terrorist of Pakistani origin? What is going wrong in this community?

Has that actually been confirmed? As far as I'm aware, most of the terrorist attacks in the UK weren't carried out by people of Pakistani origin.
 
named as Khalid Masood doesnt sound like a convert name. Sounds as if he is a Desi Muslim a 52 year old teacher from Kent certainly doesnt fit the profile of your average Islamist terrorist. Will be interesting to see his backstory.
 
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] aside from the horrific 7/7 attacks which involved 3 British Pakistanis and one British Jamaican i cant think of any other terror attack on British soil carried out by someone of Pakistani descent. The last Islamist terrorist incident we had was the murder of Lee Rigby which was done by British Nigerian converts if im correct.
 
You are jumbling up a lot of stuff there and then your message becomes quite confusing. For example, Javed Afridi's crass statements about Sammy possibly converting to Islam don't really deserve to be mixed up with this story.

Also how can the "notion of war against non Islamic population" be corrected when Islamic countries don't agree with such a notion in the first place? You are attributing the policy of ISIS to Islamic countries in general it would appear.

The notion of war against non Islamic population riden by ISIS isn't discovered by ISIS , they have just taken it a step above. The lighter degree of that is what you see in intolerant parts of societies - the notion of oppressing minorities , the notion to convert individuals onto the "right path" and the idea of "one god" and everyone else wrong does exist quite clearly and even though it may be a more tame version of it - it is the breeding ground for this sort of ideology.
The reason I had mentioned the Sammy example was to highlight how nonsensical demands and ideology that Afridi guy has and how he can deem that as acceptable and so would hundreds and thousands of people listening to him. This is just an example of what's the rationale behind someone making a statement like that and it is acceptable to the masses.
 
The notion of war against non Islamic population riden by ISIS isn't discovered by ISIS , they have just taken it a step above. The lighter degree of that is what you see in intolerant parts of societies - the notion of oppressing minorities , the notion to convert individuals onto the "right path" and the idea of "one god" and everyone else wrong does exist quite clearly and even though it may be a more tame version of it - it is the breeding ground for this sort of ideology.
The reason I had mentioned the Sammy example was to highlight how nonsensical demands and ideology that Afridi guy has and how he can deem that as acceptable and so would hundreds and thousands of people listening to him. This is just an example of what's the rationale behind someone making a statement like that and it is acceptable to the masses.

What 'demands' did the 'Afridi guy' make of Sammy? Maybe I have misunderstood the gravity of these demands and their consequences, please explain and I'll reassess his efforts in the light of this terrorist attack.

Also, if you can name any Islamic country which shares the policy of ISIS of war against non Muslims, please state which ones here so I can join you in raising the demand that they be dealt with forthwith. I don't think this is an issue which we can afford to take lightly with fluffy statements. Let's get specific so we can get to the root of the matter.
 
I don't often agree with Boris Johnson but he's right when he says these attacks get far too much notoriety which is exactly what these repulsive individuals want.

Not a single other news story has been covered by BBC and Sky since the incident who've trained their cameras on injured bodies on Westminster Bridge for the last 24 hours. Is peddling grief now an acceptable means to drive ratings ? We have celebrities rushing to become anti-terrorism experts on Twitter (even though NO terrorist motive has been confirmed yet) and even the England football manager was asked whether it affected the performance of the players last night !

Do these people not remember the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s when attacks on the mainland by the IRA were commonplace ? I shudder to think how these people would've lasted then.

Calm down, the world has seen plenty of terror attacks before but humanity has not ceased to a halt. The country is carrying on and our security services are amongst the best in the world.
 
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] aside from the horrific 7/7 attacks which involved 3 British Pakistanis and one British Jamaican i cant think of any other terror attack on British soil carried out by someone of Pakistani descent. The last Islamist terrorist incident we had was the murder of Lee Rigby which was done by British Nigerian converts if im correct.

That was my impression as well, those of Pakistani heritage aren't blameless, but my impression was that the terrorists seem to be from a broad mix of ethnic heritage, perhaps the focus on Pakistanis on here is because it is a Pakistani forum and the link is made through a mix of fear through association and trolling.
 
What 'demands' did the 'Afridi guy' make of Sammy? Maybe I have misunderstood the gravity of these demands and their consequences, please explain and I'll reassess his efforts in the light of this terrorist attack.

Also, if you can name any Islamic country which shares the policy of ISIS of war against non Muslims, please state which ones here so I can join you in raising the demand that they be dealt with forthwith. I don't think this is an issue which we can afford to take lightly with fluffy statements. Let's get specific so we can get to the root of the matter.

Not a demand but a plead/statement/wish - Whichever one you'd like . My point being in today's society - each country operates within it's own rules of acceptable/non-acceptable views. Those comments may not have a direct connection with this atrocity but they do highlight the point that in Pak - "wishing" a conversion of someone is something which is acceptable / seen as right / will be supported by the masses and is based upon a Islam is the correct path ideology. This ideology is what gives rise to more extremist views . The "afridi guy" wishes for Sammy or XYZ to convert , ISIS will kill if you don't convert or are different from them on the onus of being a nonMuslim - or to them a nonbeliever - similar principles just on different levels of extremism.

Countries do not share ISIS policies - but ask yourself what is the thought process of ISIS ? ISIS wishes death upon people who do not want to follow sharia law - regardless of the background /religion/culture /ethnicities of these non believers , they forbid education / women rights / driving and so on and most of these notions can be seen in many Islamic countries - women forbid to drive, destruction of other religious places , limited exposure to education and views of one path to salvation as only Islam which leads to intolerance and not accept other's who are different, just on a much lesser extremist scales. Same curry , just different levels of spice.

Point isn't whether this guy was Pakistani or not - point is people like these either grow up or are fed teachings/views/ideologies that are taking Islamic teachings to the extremist levels. Those teachings / views need to be changed on a grassroot level - inclusion , acceptance , tolerance need to be instilled and the notion of "our way is the only right way" - needs to be taken out
 
I don't often agree with Boris Johnson but he's right when he says these attacks get far too much notoriety which is exactly what these repulsive individuals want.

Not a single other news story has been covered by BBC and Sky since the incident who've trained their cameras on injured bodies on Westminster Bridge for the last 24 hours. Is peddling grief now an acceptable means to drive ratings ? We have celebrities rushing to become anti-terrorism experts on Twitter (even though NO terrorist motive has been confirmed yet) and even the England football manager was asked whether it affected the performance of the players last night !

Do these people not remember the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s when attacks on the mainland by the IRA were commonplace ? I shudder to think how these people would've lasted then.

Calm down, the world has seen plenty of terror attacks before but humanity has not ceased to a halt. The country is carrying on and our security services are amongst the best in the world.

I watched the news on both channels and it almost seemed like the they were revelling in the attack. Maybe for the media it was a source of excitement that instead of Paris finally London has once again become the centre of terror attention. I see this a lot these days, ever since the death of Princess Diana, there almost seems to be a ghoulish delight in wallowing in misery.
 
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] aside from the horrific 7/7 attacks which involved 3 British Pakistanis and one British Jamaican i cant think of any other terror attack on British soil carried out by someone of Pakistani descent. The last Islamist terrorist incident we had was the murder of Lee Rigby which was done by British Nigerian converts if im correct.

There have been loads of attempts that have been thwarted. Complete losers killing innocent people.
 
Not a demand but a plead/statement/wish - Whichever one you'd like . My point being in today's society - each country operates within it's own rules of acceptable/non-acceptable views. Those comments may not have a direct connection with this atrocity but they do highlight the point that in Pak - "wishing" a conversion of someone is something which is acceptable / seen as right / will be supported by the masses and is based upon a Islam is the correct path ideology. This ideology is what gives rise to more extremist views . The "afridi guy" wishes for Sammy or XYZ to convert , ISIS will kill if you don't convert or are different from them on the onus of being a nonMuslim - or to them a nonbeliever - similar principles just on different levels of extremism.

Countries do not share ISIS policies - but ask yourself what is the thought process of ISIS ? ISIS wishes death upon people who do not want to follow sharia law - regardless of the background /religion/culture /ethnicities of these non believers , they forbid education / women rights / driving and so on and most of these notions can be seen in many Islamic countries - women forbid to drive, destruction of other religious places , limited exposure to education and views of one path to salvation as only Islam which leads to intolerance and not accept other's who are different, just on a much lesser extremist scales. Same curry , just different levels of spice.

Point isn't whether this guy was Pakistani or not - point is people like these either grow up or are fed teachings/views/ideologies that are taking Islamic teachings to the extremist levels. Those teachings / views need to be changed on a grassroot level - inclusion , acceptance , tolerance need to be instilled and the notion of "our way is the only right way" - needs to be taken out

How would you do that when you can't be specific on what is wrong in the first place, and in order to make your case you are misrepresenting countries policies and the 'Afridi guy's' statements to do it?

Would you suggest the same for a country where Christian or Hindu extremist ideas are also allowed to flourish?
 
Converts are extremely dangerous. They bend over backwards to prove their loyalty to their New Faith.
 
How would you do that when you can't be specific on what is wrong in the first place, and in order to make your case you are misrepresenting countries policies and the 'Afridi guy's' statements to do it?

Would you suggest the same for a country where Christian or Hindu extremist ideas are also allowed to flourish?

My point is the same for any ethnic or religious group - Do what you want to do and let other's do what they want to do , don't impose your thoughts or views on others regardless of how strongly you believe in your own.

I pointed out what is wrong - views of one path to salvation as only Islam which leads to intolerance and not accept other's who are different, just on a much lesser extremist scales . wishing" a conversion of someone is something which is acceptable / seen as right / will be supported by the masses and is based upon a Islam is the correct path ideology.

What to do about it ? Those teachings / views need to be changed on a grassroot level - inclusion , acceptance , tolerance need to be instilled and the notion of "our way is the only right way"

Don't know how else to put it.
 
This Is The Man Behind The Westminster Attack

Khalid Masood has been named as the man who attacked Westminster on Wednesday, killing at least three people and injuring around 40 more.

Born in Kent, the 52-year-old was known to MI5 and is understood to have acted alone. He was investigated “some years ago” as part of a historic investigation into violent extremism but was a peripheral figure.

Police believe he most recently lived in the West Midlands. It is understood he had a partner and a 5-year-old child.

His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his most recent was in December 2003 for possession of a knife. He was never convicted of any terrorism offences.

The Metropolitan police said in a statement: “Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack. However, he was known to police and has a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.”

Masood is believed to have lived most recently in a block of new flats on Quayside, a cul-de-sac in Birmingham near the canal. The flat was raided by anti-terror police at 11pm on Wednesday night after the attack.

A next-door neighbour who gave her name as Iwona, 45, said he had lived there for seven months.

“I am really surprised, I cannot believe it I cannot believe it,” she told BuzzFeed News. “As I said, when I saw him I couldn’t even think someone could do something like this. Now I am scared someone like this living close to me. Sometimes in the afternoon I saw him taking care of the garden washing the car and he was very calm.”

Iwona described the woman he lived with there as being in her thirties and said she wore “Islamic clothing”. The neighbour said she hadn’t seen Masood for a few months and that he just “took a van and went”. Then, 10 days ago, the woman and child followed. “The family moved quickly and took their things out of the garage,” Iwona said.

Another neighbour, who gave her name as Sam, said: “He moved out in December and I never really spoke to him. I didn’t know his name before.

“He had a little boy who was 5 years old. There was a woman, I didn’t know if it was his wife or daughter. We’d just say hello in the street.”

It is assumed by police that he was acting on extreme Islamist ideology. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack on Thursday.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilydugan/this-is-the-man-behind-the-westminster-attack
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not a good day for 52 year old extremists from Kent, as police release identity of attacker as 52 year old extremist from Kent. <a href="https://t.co/9zqMRZ7QKf">pic.twitter.com/9zqMRZ7QKf</a></p>— Tom Peck (@tompeck) <a href="https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/844937978527043585">23 March 2017</a></blockquote>
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It is times like these where folks like Nigel Garbage and Donald Trump flourish.
 
My point is the same for any ethnic or religious group - Do what you want to do and let other's do what they want to do , don't impose your thoughts or views on others regardless of how strongly you believe in your own.

I pointed out what is wrong - views of one path to salvation as only Islam which leads to intolerance and not accept other's who are different, just on a much lesser extremist scales . wishing" a conversion of someone is something which is acceptable / seen as right / will be supported by the masses and is based upon a Islam is the correct path ideology.

What to do about it ? Those teachings / views need to be changed on a grassroot level - inclusion , acceptance , tolerance need to be instilled and the notion of "our way is the only right way"

Don't know how else to put it.

Again, fuzzy solutions which are inevitable when you are making fuzzy accusations. In real life you have to get to specifics to address these problems and you can't do that with inaccurate generalities.
 
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] its the Americanisation of our media that all this bluster and hype around terrible events such as this are maximised. I was speaking with a British woman who was in her 60s and she said when the IRA attacks were happening there was never anywhere near this type of hysteria and people got on with their lives. As horrific as the attack was to put into persepective their were 3 deaths by one lone wolf. some of the coverage makes you feel like the Luftwaffe has dropped a bomb on London.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not a good day for 52 year old extremists from Kent, as police release identity of attacker as 52 year old extremist from Kent. <a href="https://t.co/9zqMRZ7QKf">pic.twitter.com/9zqMRZ7QKf</a></p>— Tom Peck (@tompeck) <a href="https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/844937978527043585">23 March 2017</a></blockquote>
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Is there even any proof that he was of Middle Eastern origin?
 
London attack: Khalid Masood - what we know about killer

The man police say was responsible for the Westminster attack has been formally identified as 52-year-old Khalid Masood.

Born in Kent in December 1964, Masood most recently lived in the West Midlands.

The BBC believes he also lived in recent years at two addresses in Luton and one in east London.

The Metropolitan Police says he was also known by a number of aliases.
Previous convictions

The BBC believes that Masood hired the car used in the attack earlier this week from the Spring Hill branch of Enterprise in north Birmingham. He described his profession as a "teacher".

Within an hour of hiring the Hyundai, he is thought to have contacted the company to say he no longer needed the car. What happened next is completely unclear - until he drove north across Westminster Bridge, ploughing into pedestrians on the western pavement.

"Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack," Scotland Yard said.

"However, he was known to police and has a range of previous convictions for assaults, including grievous bodily harm, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences."

Masood's first conviction came when he was 19-years-old in November 1983 for criminal damage. His last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife. He had never been convicted of a terrorism offence.

In her statement to MPs, the prime minister said that the attacker was British born and that "some years ago" he was "once investigated in relation to concerns about violent extremism".

She went on: "He was a peripheral figure. The case is historic - he was not part of the current intelligence picture. There was no prior intelligence of his intent - or of the plot."
Petty criminality

We don't know at this stage what that particular investigation was and how he was connected to it.

Here are just some of the possibilities of what that could mean:

* He was an associate or friend of a main suspect who was being monitored in some form - but turned out, at the time, to not apparently have any extremist leanings
* He could have been closer to an inner circle of aspiring extremists - but he personally was not considered to be a risk and so the operation was focused on others
* There could have been more concerning intelligence about his ideology and intent - but there was nothing that could make a criminal charge - and in time he was discounted as a serious threat

He could, at the highest end, have been arrested in the past as part of an operation and later released without charge.

His last conviction came when he was 38 or 39. In general terms, that's quite late on in life for your average angry young man stuck in a world of petty criminality, violence and robbing.


Possession of a knife can cover a multitude of criminal intentions - from going equipped to commit a burglary or assault or, as some people claim, "self defence".

Did he go straight because, like many criminals, he had started a family and settled down? Or was there something deeper in his personality driving that violence - and the possibility that he would return to it?

And that raises the final question: what was the trigger for this attack?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39373766
I'm going to go on a limb here. Is it possible that it was all completely unrelated to terrorism?
 
Again, fuzzy solutions which are inevitable when you are making fuzzy accusations. In real life you have to get to specifics to address these problems and you can't do that with inaccurate generalities.

Mate, I am not a political expert nor can I design a step by step guide , I do however can see what's obviously wrong and point it out what I think is the underlying problem. If you choose to ignore it or not see it , that's your call. Nothing Fuzzy about what I'v written above.
I am not sure if inclusion , acceptance and tolerance are "fuzzy" words to you but they are quite self explanatory.
 
I'm going to go on a limb here. Is it possible that it was all completely unrelated to terrorism?

I believe that the motive for most of these attacks are unrelated to terrorism whether they be Orlando attacks or Paris attacks..

But they use terrorism or Islam as a cover to make their own loser-ish acts feel important.

ISIS has claimed responsibility for this like they tend to do but is there any evidence of the attacker claiming that the act was for ISIS or Islam like the Orlando, Paris, Brussels or San Bernardino attackers? (Regardless of whether they mean it or not)
 
I believe that the motive for most of these attacks are unrelated to terrorism whether they be Orlando attacks or Paris attacks..

But they use terrorism or Islam as a cover to make their own loser-ish acts feel important.

ISIS has claimed responsibility for this like they tend to do but is there any evidence of the attacker claiming that the act was for ISIS or Islam like the Orlando, Paris, Brussels or San Bernardino attackers? (Regardless of whether they mean it or not)

Question isn't what ISIS claims - whether they are involved or not isn't relevant
What's important is what were the motives for this guy ? - If he did them in the name of religion and those actions are justifiable to him - whether you want to call it terrorism or not that's your discretion but the underlying thinking is what needs to be on the focus
 
I'm going to go on a limb here. Is it possible that it was all completely unrelated to terrorism?

Has he committed any crimes in relation to extremism in the past? have not read much on the constituents of his criminal history
 
I believe that the motive for most of these attacks are unrelated to terrorism whether they be Orlando attacks or Paris attacks..

But they use terrorism or Islam as a cover to make their own loser-ish acts feel important.

ISIS has claimed responsibility for this like they tend to do but is there any evidence of the attacker claiming that the act was for ISIS or Islam like the Orlando, Paris, Brussels or San Bernardino attackers? (Regardless of whether they mean it or not)

ISIS always take credit for stuff like this regardless, you're right it's brilliant P.R from their perspective
 
Question isn't what ISIS claims - whether they are involved or not isn't relevant
What's important is what were the motives for this guy ? - If he did them in the name of religion and those actions are justifiable to him - whether you want to call it terrorism or not that's your discretion but the underlying thinking is what needs to be on the focus
Within an hour of hiring the Hyundai, he is thought to have contacted the company to say he no longer needed the car. What happened next is completely unclear - until he drove north across Westminster Bridge, ploughing into pedestrians on the western pavement.
Why would someone intent on committing a terrorist act, which would result in almost certain death for him, or at the very least being arrested, phone up the hire car company to say he doesn't need the car? In fact why go to the trouble of phoning them up anyway?
Strange. :13:

I get the feeling that there's a lot more that the authorities are not telling us - probably for good reasons.
 
Question isn't what ISIS claims - whether they are involved or not isn't relevant
What's important is what were the motives for this guy ? - If he did them in the name of religion and those actions are justifiable to him - whether you want to call it terrorism or not that's your discretion but the underlying thinking is what needs to be on the focus

We are just waiting for a confirmation of whether or not he said "Allah Akbar" while performing the acts of violence, that should confirm his motive
 
Has he committed any crimes in relation to extremism in the past? have not read much on the constituents of his criminal history
According to the article, no terrorism related crimes, but plenty for assaults, including grievous bodily harm, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.
 
According to the article, no terrorism related crimes, but plenty for assaults, including grievous bodily harm, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.

Do you know what were the public order offences? I read something online yesterday about hate preaching but it may have been when people were mixed up about his identity
 
I don't often agree with Boris Johnson but he's right when he says these attacks get far too much notoriety which is exactly what these repulsive individuals want.

Not a single other news story has been covered by BBC and Sky since the incident who've trained their cameras on injured bodies on Westminster Bridge for the last 24 hours. Is peddling grief now an acceptable means to drive ratings ? We have celebrities rushing to become anti-terrorism experts on Twitter (even though NO terrorist motive has been confirmed yet) and even the England football manager was asked whether it affected the performance of the players last night !

Do these people not remember the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s when attacks on the mainland by the IRA were commonplace ? I shudder to think how these people would've lasted then.

Calm down, the world has seen plenty of terror attacks before but humanity has not ceased to a halt. The country is carrying on and our security services are amongst the best in the world.
What's wrong with you? You have a problem with the coverage on a terror attack? Why should it not be covered? What really makes you uncomfortable? The coverage or the questions about how these people continue to exist in society without anyone noticing something wrong?

You probably need to get off your high horse and stop taking terror coverage as victimisation of a community. And really stop comparing Islamic terrorism with the IRA. What cause are these terrorists representing?
 
Why would someone intent on committing a terrorist act, which would result in almost certain death for him, or at the very least being arrested, phone up the hire car company to say he doesn't need the car? In fact why go to the trouble of phoning them up anyway?
Strange. :13:

I get the feeling that there's a lot more that the authorities are not telling us - probably for good reasons.

"Thought" to have contacted - Any confirmation that he did ?
If he did indeed contact - Changed his mind ? , Wanted to do it in a different way ? Return this car and get another with forged identity ? - Could be load of reasons.

Stop looking for a conspiracy theory in everything . Easy to put your mind at easy by looking at other people making stuff up but not looking at obviously the possibility of extremist Ideology that is quite prevalent ?
 
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I thought they are supposed to be the sharpest tools in the box? Not many are going to like it but even extremist tendencies at the minuscule level e.g hate preachers need to be dealt with and given severe penalties thankfully we've seen that with the demise of Anjem Chaundry but the MI5 need to do a better job because these bigots are a cancer which preys on the minds of youngsters. I've read the attacker had given a couple of weird talks in the past to brainwash people with his moronic ideas. Forger Wenger Out! Wahabi Out! Salafi Out! Tommy Robinson Out!

They can't win can they...when they step up their offensives then Muslims get upset...and others talk about rights being infringed...

And when one slips through the cracks then they get blamed...

Its lose lose really...

Britains counterintelligence is actually excellent...the problem is the likes of IS have changed the game somewhat...no networks...no direct communication...no need for sophisticated weaponry...just a battle call to attack London with ones lorry...that is very difficult to guard against...
 
One thing i've noticed is the media have been fairly balanced and nice in their portrayal of Muslims following the attack...

Muslims have been given a platform to speak about the tragedy and in a climate of mistrust this is actually very good for their PR...as are the likes of Sadiq Khan being in the position he is in...

No demonisation of Muslims...nothing remotely divisive...they have actually made a point of distancing the actions and views of Masood from those of regular Muslims...

Fighting terrorism isn't simply about foiling attacks but developing a strategy which makes prevention easier...and what is necessary is making Muslims feel included and preventing IS from having a vacuum to exploit...
 
I believe that the motive for most of these attacks are unrelated to terrorism whether they be Orlando attacks or Paris attacks..

But they use terrorism or Islam as a cover to make their own loser-ish acts feel important.

ISIS has claimed responsibility for this like they tend to do but is there any evidence of the attacker claiming that the act was for ISIS or Islam like the Orlando, Paris, Brussels or San Bernardino attackers? (Regardless of whether they mean it or not)

IS has claimed to have inspired him...they haven't claimed direct responsibility...they dont do sleeper cells...

All they need is their propaganda...at the very least we know that Masood was inspired by IS's method for murder...lorries and 4/4s are what IS have suggested their followers use in their videos...
 
They can't win can they...when they step up their offensives then Muslims get upset...and others talk about rights being infringed...

And when one slips through the cracks then they get blamed...

Its lose lose really...

Britains counterintelligence is actually excellent...the problem is the likes of IS have changed the game somewhat...no networks...no direct communication...no need for sophisticated weaponry...just a battle call to attack London with ones lorry...that is very difficult to guard against...

What do you think Shaykh? Moslems OUT?!! :mv

Yeah it could have been anyone in this instance and the security services did well to prevent the situation from escalating further
 
One thing i've noticed is the media have been fairly balanced and nice in their portrayal of Muslims following the attack...

Muslims have been given a platform to speak about the tragedy and in a climate of mistrust this is actually very good for their PR...as are the likes of Sadiq Khan being in the position he is in...

No demonisation of Muslims...nothing remotely divisive...they have actually made a point of distancing the actions and views of Masood from those of regular Muslims...

Fighting terrorism isn't simply about foiling attacks but developing a strategy which makes prevention easier...and what is necessary is making Muslims feel included and preventing IS from having a vacuum to exploit...

We don't know a lot about the attacker to be fair as [MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] pointed out, once his alleged links to ISIS and extremism are confirmed then perhaps the media coverage will change as they'd have something more concrete to spin the ratings wheel unlike in the US where you can just go all out on Fox
 
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] its the Americanisation of our media that all this bluster and hype around terrible events such as this are maximised. I was speaking with a British woman who was in her 60s and she said when the IRA attacks were happening there was never anywhere near this type of hysteria and people got on with their lives. As horrific as the attack was to put into persepective their were 3 deaths by one lone wolf. some of the coverage makes you feel like the Luftwaffe has dropped a bomb on London.

The perpetrators must love it though. 24/7 coverage ascending them into international celebrity status with their face splashed all over the headlines. Same thing with the mass shooters in the US, don't give these people the oxygen of publicity.

These are sick, mentally disturbed people who revel in the limelight. Academics have proven how lone wolves get inspired by the notoriety other lone wolves receive after their violent rampages. They crave the attention they otherwise wouldn't get in their sad little lives.

Nobody's saying don't cover it, of course its a terrible tragedy but have a sense of proportion. This isn't 9/11 or Paris. They still haven't moved on from this last time I checked BBC News !
 
What do you think Shaykh? Moslems OUT?!! :mv

Yeah it could have been anyone in this instance and the security services did well to prevent the situation from escalating further


I think people like to have it both ways...more surveillance/ phone taps etc are deemed unethical...monitoring mosques are viewed as racist when they clearly arent...

Yet when attacks happen the question is asked about 'how was this allowed to happen?'...
 
"Thought" to have contacted - Any confirmation that he did ?
If he did indeed contact - Changed his mind ? , Wanted to do it in a different way ? Return this car and get another with forged identity ? - Could be load of reasons.

Stop looking for a conspiracy theory in everything . Easy to put your mind at easy by looking at other people making stuff up but not looking at obviously the possibility of extremist Ideology that is quite prevalent ?
No one's looking for conspiracy theories. But neither do we yet know the motives of the attacker.

Jumping to claiming extremist ideology and discounting all other possibilities is the easy way out - especially when there is insufficient proof (that we know of) one way or the other.

It's a good job that the authorities are not ruling anything out. For example, the Nice attacker, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, was said to have mental issues.

It's a pity that those like you are quick to accuse others of peddling "conspiracy theories" when all they're doing is highlighting certain points mentioned in reputable media sources like the BBC and querying as to the questions they in turn raise.
 
God moves in strange ways. Who'd have thought a nonentity like Sadiq Khan could become Mayor of London. He's the sort of banal and unthreatening figure who is a great representative to the outside World of most normal Muslims.
 
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No one's looking for conspiracy theories. But neither do we yet know the motives of the attacker.

Jumping to claiming extremist ideology and discounting all other possibilities is the easy way out - especially when there is insufficient proof (that we know of) one way or the other.

It's a good job that the authorities are not ruling anything out. For example, the Nice attacker, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, was said to have mental issues.

It's a pity that those like you are quick to accuse others of peddling "conspiracy theories" when all they're doing is highlighting certain points mentioned in reputable media sources like the BBC and querying as to the questions they in turn raise.

Definitely not , I am waiting like everyone else but these lil tidbits or rumour's doesn't imply much. The fact that you think there are things the authorities aren't telling you does seem like you are looking for an alternate explanation rather than the one in front of your eyes and quite confidently correct but not proven yet.
 
I think people like to have it both ways...more surveillance/ phone taps etc are deemed unethical...monitoring mosques are viewed as racist when they clearly arent...

Yet when attacks happen the question is asked about 'how was this allowed to happen?'...

Mosque's are monitored around the clock, the people who go to pray there do it for the MI5 all the time for pocket money :yk

If there is evidence which suggests foul play then it is not unethical and the services ought to act upon the intel they have but if you are suggesting that every innocent muslim should be held at gun point at all times metaphorically speaking then that's just moronic isn't it
 
The perpetrators must love it though. 24/7 coverage ascending them into international celebrity status with their face splashed all over the headlines. Same thing with the mass shooters in the US, don't give these people the oxygen of publicity.

These are sick, mentally disturbed people who revel in the limelight. Academics have proven how lone wolves get inspired by the notoriety other lone wolves receive after their violent rampages. They crave the attention they otherwise wouldn't get in their sad little lives.

Nobody's saying don't cover it, of course its a terrible tragedy but have a sense of proportion. This isn't 9/11 or Paris. They still haven't moved on from this last time I checked BBC News !
I'm going to give the example of how media coverage (or lack of it) can make a huge difference. Please don't start lambasting me for using sport as the example - this in no way is meant to claim that sport is in any way comparable to terrorist acts that result in the murder of innocents. I'm just using sport to get a point across.

In the 70's, '80's and '90's there were regular cases of streakers at large sporting events, both male and female streakers. Many of you may have seen the iconic photo of naked individual jumping over the wickets at a Test match. Another famous case was that of a 'well endowed' young lady flouting it all at an international rugby match.

The media coverage resulting from all this made many of them famous, even helping to establish careers in the public eye. This in turn caused more individuals to try and become famous this way.

But then the tv companies, along with the print media, decided that if a streaker appeared on the field, the tv cameras will immediately turn away and not show the individual(s) involved. The commentators were also told not to mention the streaker, even if play was disrupted, they were told to talk about something else. Even the print media joined in by depriving these individuals of any publicity.

The result?

You very rarely hear about any such incidents nowadays.

I'm of the opinion that the media and politicians should take lessons from the above and deprive these terrorists of the oxygen of publicity.
 
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Definitely not , I am waiting like everyone else but these lil tidbits or rumour's doesn't imply much. The fact that you think there are things the authorities aren't telling you does seem like you are looking for an alternate explanation rather than the one in front of your eyes and quite confidently correct but not proven yet.
You are making false accusations my friend. I suggest you desist. You need to read my post(s) in full before adding 2+2 and making five.

I wrote:
I get the feeling that there's a lot more that the authorities are not telling us - probably for good reasons.
 
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Mosque's are monitored around the clock, the people who go to pray there do it for the MI5 all the time for pocket money :yk

If there is evidence which suggests foul play then it is not unethical and the services ought to act upon the intel they have but if you are suggesting that every innocent muslim should be held at gun point at all times metaphorically speaking then that's just moronic isn't it

In order to prevent you have to gather evidence...what i'm saying is anyone moaning about mosques being monitored around the clock or phones being tapped needs a reality check...its fair enough really...the threat of course is a minority of Muslims and thus it is necessary to try and find out who those threats are...so issues like privacy etc aren't really important in the light of security...tbh i dont mind if the same is done to all of us Muslim or not...

You say 'if there is evidence'...which is absolutely fine...the point is whether limits should be placed on how to attain that evidence...
 
You are making false accusations my friend. I suggest you desist. You need to read my post(s) in full before adding 2+2 and making five.

I wrote:

Not making any accusations mate.
"I get the feeling that there's a lot more that the authorities are not telling us " - This is what I was referring to - the sentiment that something is being hidden regardless of the reason.
 
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Not making any accusations mate.
"I get the feeling that there's a lot more that the authorities are not telling us " - This is what I was referring to - the sentiment that something is being hidden regardless of the reason.
Incorrect. I wrote
I get the feeling that there's a lot more that the authorities are not telling us - probably for good reasons.

You deliberately missed out the "probably for good reasons" part of the sentence to support your false accusation.
 
In order to prevent you have to gather evidence...what i'm saying is anyone moaning about mosques being monitored around the clock or phones being tapped needs a reality check...its fair enough really...the threat of course is a minority of Muslims and thus it is necessary to try and find out who those threats are...so issues like privacy etc aren't really important in the light of security...tbh i dont mind if the same is done to all of us Muslim or not...

You say 'if there is evidence'...which is absolutely fine...the point is whether limits should be placed on how to attain that evidence...

If there is foul play which is suspected then the MI5 must act upon that intel but if they abuse the powers which are given to them then we have a problem, mostly the people who are human will probably moan and whine about the limits which are in place to attain that evidence because they'd prefer it if laws are broken to abuse the mutants including the ones which do not pose a threat. These fools need a reality check, you'd think by now they'd have gotten over their pagan crusade.
 
In order to prevent you have to gather evidence...what i'm saying is anyone moaning about mosques being monitored around the clock or phones being tapped needs a reality check...its fair enough really...the threat of course is a minority of Muslims and thus it is necessary to try and find out who those threats are...so issues like privacy etc aren't really important in the light of security...tbh i dont mind if the same is done to all of us Muslim or not...

You say 'if there is evidence'...which is absolutely fine...the point is whether limits should be placed on how to attain that evidence...

In order to prevent you change the root cause, foreign policy. No matter what measures are put in place , there will always be a way around them. How is possible to stop a lone wolf nutter who just drives a vehicle in to pedestrians?
 
Incorrect. I wrote

You deliberately missed out the "probably for good reasons" part of the sentence to support your false accusation.

Okay I think you are not able to comprehend it in a concise way so i'll elaborate.

I did not "Deliberately" left that out , I said "probably for good reasons" - Is not relevant to what I had said. Whether good reasons / bad reasons / terrible reasons / practical /impractical reasons - is not what I am talking about.

You wrote :
"I get the feeling that there's a lot more that the authorities are not telling us - probably for good reasons. -"

I had raised the point that for whatever the reason , the feeling that something is being hidden does not sound plausible.
 
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