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2nd Test between England [258, 258/5d] and Australia [250, 154/6] finishes in a draw

andy0204 said:
Steve smith has come to bat but shame to English crowd still booing
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It’s not “English crowd”, it’s a few morons.

Care to comment on the standing ovation he received when he went off injured?
 
Robert said:
It’s not “English crowd”, it’s a few morons.

Care to comment on the standing ovation he received when he went off injured?
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England seems to have way too many morons these days. I don't see this kind of organized booing in other countries.
 
Robert said:
It’s not “English crowd”, it’s a few morons.

Care to comment on the standing ovation he received when he went off injured?
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why should the English crown not boo him?? who cares about smith. It's the English fan's right to boo him. They have every right to do so. I am glad we saw some broken bones today. brilliant stuff from archer and I absolutely loved it when he showed no remorse by simply laughing it off when he hurt Steven via a beamer to the neck.

Pure aggressive hostile bowling from a world class talent like joffra. if you can't get a player out, then take his head clean off with a beamer and just leave the player for dead. It's about time we see some blood on the pitch. Aussies deserve that. well done team England. Archer could win this test for England.
 
tyron_woodley said:
why should the English crown not boo him?? who cares about smith. It's the English fan's right to boo him. They have every right to do so. I am glad we saw some broken bones today. brilliant stuff from archer and I absolutely loved it when he showed no remorse by simply laughing it off when he hurt Steven via a beamer to the neck.

Pure aggressive hostile bowling from a world class talent like joffra. if you can't get a player out, then take his head clean off with a beamer and just leave the player for dead. It's about time we see some blood on the pitch. Aussies deserve that. well done team England. Archer could win this test for England.
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Cricket would be better off without blood thirsty fans like you. Can’t believe what you posted after knowing what happened to Phil Hughes. Smith got hit on his neck today, much like Hughes was.

This is shameful on your part.
 
Hitman said:
Cricket would be better off without blood thirsty fans like you. Can’t believe what you posted after knowing what happened to Phil Hughes. Smith got hit on his neck today, much like Hughes was.

This is shameful on your part.
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smith should be ashamed for cheating in the first place. Yes Hughes incident was terrible but bouncers are part of the game. You are allowed to pitch the ball short and aim at the body/figure up till shoulder height. If smith ducks into the ball it's not joffra's problem. They couldn't get him out so they found a way to negate the only threat australia presented. England masterfully took smith out of the game by roughening him up.
I don't like to see players pass away on the pitch or get flatlined but you have to be able to take some body shots. You have to deal with adversity. It's a tough sport. If you get hit then take it on the chin and move on.
 
Aussies bowlers have there tail up , bowling well , they would love to get couple of more wickets before England reach 50 here
 
Remember players used to bat without helmets in those days on bouncy pitches SCARY STUFF.
 
Our current top order is plainly not good enough to get on top of these Aussie quicks when the ball is new. Just have to see off the shine for 20 overs and survive until things get easier.
 
James said:
Our current top order is plainly not good enough to get on top of these Aussie quicks when the ball is new. Just have to see off the shine for 20 overs and survive until things get easier.
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from Strauss and cook to these current cannon fodders.
 
tyron_woodley said:
why should the English crown not boo him?? who cares about smith. It's the English fan's right to boo him. They have every right to do so. I am glad we saw some broken bones today. brilliant stuff from archer and I absolutely loved it when he showed no remorse by simply laughing it off when he hurt Steven via a beamer to the neck.

Pure aggressive hostile bowling from a world class talent like joffra. if you can't get a player out, then take his head clean off with a beamer and just leave the player for dead. It's about time we see some blood on the pitch. Aussies deserve that. well done team England. Archer could win this test for England.
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They have the right, but also the responsibilty that goes with it, to accept that he served his punishment and now has a clean slate.

Cricket only ever had one tactic where fast bowlers deliberately tried to hit batsmen. It was called Bodyline and outlawed in the 1930s.
 
Pk716 said:
Lol why Roy is even playing even leach proved to be a better test bat than him .
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I could see Roy succeeding at #5 when the ball is old, but we have a lot of #5s already.

For the next test would suggest something like:

Burns
Sibley
Denly
Root
Morgan (caretaker captain for the rest of the Ashes and maybe the winter)
Stokes
Foakes (w)
Woakes
Archer
Broad
Leach
 
Thers 24 overs left tonight. Wont get all in. If England can get lead to 130ish tonight and first session get a move on to 250. 2 sessions to bowl aus out might be enough on day 5
 
Aleem Dar should hang it up.

Too many wrong decisions for his usual standards and he already has the record.
 
Can Australia pull off an Amazing Adelaide here?

Lyon with no luck so far.
 
England’s one-day revolution has been at the forefront of their Test batting struggles.
 
Looks like a thrilling final day in prospect! The Aussies maybe chasing 180?
 
Rubbish batting from England, rubbish umpiring and rubbish use of DRS from Aus.

Low quality cricket but exciting to watch.
 
Robert said:
I could see Roy succeeding at #5 when the ball is old, but we have a lot of #5s already.

For the next test would suggest something like:

Burns
Sibley
Denly
Root
Morgan (caretaker captain for the rest of the Ashes and maybe the winter)
Stokes
Foakes (w)
Woakes
Archer
Broad
Leach
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dont know why morgan was never considered for a test comeback. he is definitely more capable than butler and roy.

although he does have a problem against short ball and would struggle against aussie bowlers.

i think ollie pope and livingstone need to be tried out
 
96/4 at the close, lead 104.

Can see Australia wrapping it up if they can get a couple of quick wickets tomorrow.
 
Australia themselves might get bundled to 120 by the end of days play if England get all out at 160.

The best bet for Australia is to stop runs flow and let England bat atleast 1.5 sessions before they themselves decide to declare.
 
England should try someone else in place of Roy.

Burns
______
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Foakes(wkt)
Curran
Woakes
Archer
Broad
 
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Awkward laugh by Archer when Smith was down.
 
Robert said:
They have the right, but also the responsibilty that goes with it, to accept that he served his punishment and now has a clean slate.

Cricket only ever had one tactic where fast bowlers deliberately tried to hit batsmen. It was called Bodyline and outlawed in the 1930s.
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2 bouncers allowed per over. smith ducking into the short ball is not archers ball is not his problem.
 
tyron_woodley said:
why should the English crown not boo him?? who cares about smith. It's the English fan's right to boo him. They have every right to do so. I am glad we saw some broken bones today. brilliant stuff from archer and I absolutely loved it when he showed no remorse by simply laughing it off when he hurt Steven via a beamer to the neck.

Pure aggressive hostile bowling from a world class talent like joffra. if you can't get a player out, then take his head clean off with a beamer and just leave the player for dead. It's about time we see some blood on the pitch. Aussies deserve that. well done team England. Archer could win this test for England.
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The English are no better than Australia when it comes to sportsman spirit or cheating: ball tampering, Trott grabbing Wahab by the throat, Anderson pushing Jadeja, and that Aljazeera report on match fixing wasn't really followed through either, neither was Liam Plunkett investigated when footage emerged that he was digging his nails into the ball vs Pakistan, also the Shakoor Rana incident, and the list goes on.

Also I think Archer wasn't really laughing, it seemed more of a nervous smile.
 
tyron_woodley said:
smith should be ashamed for cheating in the first place. Yes Hughes incident was terrible but bouncers are part of the game. You are allowed to pitch the ball short and aim at the body/figure up till shoulder height. If smith ducks into the ball it's not joffra's problem. They couldn't get him out so they found a way to negate the only threat australia presented. England masterfully took smith out of the game by roughening him up.
I don't like to see players pass away on the pitch or get flatlined but you have to be able to take some body shots. You have to deal with adversity. It's a tough sport. If you get hit then take it on the chin and move on.
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SO you're suggesting that a Batsman should just take it on the head and keep batting, not care about his health? Have you ever been concussed?
 
Danyaalr01 said:
SO you're suggesting that a Batsman should just take it on the head and keep batting, not care about his health? Have you ever been concussed?
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he ducked into the ball? not joffra's problem. he should wear the rear head guard. He chose not to. Smith's problem. Yes batsman should learn how to defend against a short ball. Part of the game. That ball was rising but it was at throat height and he ducked Into it. Bad technique.
 
Danyaalr01 said:
The English are no better than Australia when it comes to sportsman spirit or cheating: ball tampering, Trott grabbing Wahab by the throat, Anderson pushing Jadeja, and that Aljazeera report on match fixing wasn't really followed through either, neither was Liam Plunkett investigated when footage emerged that he was digging his nails into the ball vs Pakistan, also the Shakoor Rana incident, and the list goes on.

Also I think Archer wasn't really laughing, it seemed more of a nervous smile.
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yea poms are scums too. I just want to see some blood on the pitch. can you tell me more about that wahab vs trott incident please?
 
Ab Fan said:
Australia themselves might get bundled to 120 by the end of days play if England get all out at 160.

The best bet for Australia is to stop runs flow and let England bat atleast 1.5 sessions before they themselves decide to declare.
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lol at playing such negative cricket. Such a defeatist attitude.

Oz will go hard at them, not let England control the day. A lead of 200 with close to two full session to get them...
 
wrongun said:
lol at playing such negative cricket. Such a defeatist attitude.

Oz will go hard at them, not let England control the day. A lead of 200 with close to two full session to get them...
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whether Aussies win or not I want to see the poms rattled on the pitch.
 
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wrongun said:
lol at playing such negative cricket. Such a defeatist attitude.

Oz will go hard at them, not let England control the day. A lead of 200 with close to two full session to get them...
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Poms to make it 1-1 today.

Anyways,we all know it will eventually be a draw. Buttler to score a remarkable 75 today.
 
Australia coach Justin Langer explained the decision to allow Steve Smith to resume batting in the Lord's Test, less than an hour after he retired hurt from a sickening blow to the neck by a Jofra Archer bouncer.

Smith was batting on 80 when a searing short ball by Archer left him lying prostrate on the ground. It took a while for him to get up, even as physios rushed out to his aid. Australia team doctor Richard Saw conducted precautionary concussion tests on Smith – once on the field and twice in the dressing room – and the 30-year-old cleared all of them.

Smith then re-emerged, after the fall of Peter Siddle's wicket, when Australia were 218/7. It came as a surprise to many, but Langer said that the batsman had passed all the required tests and assured everyone that he was good to bat on.

"You never like seeing your players get hit like that, and there’s obviously some pretty rough memories. There was no fun in it," Langer after close of play. "He passed all of the tests, then he came back in the change room and he had a bit of a smile on his face. He was more worried about his arm actually – his arm was sore.

"He wouldn’t have gone out there unless we thought he was okay. We asked him over and over again. I asked him behind closed doors two or three and times and in front of the group. What else do you do? The medics cleared him, he wanted to get out there."

Langer further said that Smith was more concerned about getting his name up on the honours board at Lord's. The Australia No.4 has scored 378 runs in three innings in this Ashes series, at a whopping average of 126. Unfortunately for him, though, he could muster only another 12 runs upon his return and fell eight runs short of a third successive century.

"I was saying, 'mate, are you sure you're okay?' These are like my sons right, so you're never going to put them in harm's way, even though you're always in harm's way with Test cricket. But he's going, 'mate, I've got to get out there, I can't get on the honour board unless I'm out batting'."

Smith prefers to not have the stem guard, an accessory that might have at the very least softened or partially deflected the blow from Archer's bouncer, on his helmet. However, Langer mused that the New South Wales batsman might have to reconsider his stance on the protective attachment, which currently is not compulsory.

"I'm sure after today it'll get talked about again, I know they came in after the tragedy of Hughesy [Phil Hughes]," Langer said. "So I'm sure it'll get talked about, and he might rethink it now, after seeing what happened today, but you'd have to ask him that. At the moment, the players have a choice, and I wouldn't be surprised if they become mandatory in the future."

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1316491
 
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tyron_woodley said:
yea poms are scums too. I just want to see some blood on the pitch. can you tell me more about that wahab vs trott incident please?
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In the 2010 tour after the match fixing scandal at a net practice Trott asked Wahab: "How much are you going to make from the bookies today?". Wahab replyed with an insult. Trott hit Wahab with his pads, they both started hitting each other with pads, and then Trott grabbed Wahab by the Throat, but Graham Gooch split them up.
 
It will be preferable for the spectacle of the series going forward if we win this match, or at least draw it - but I think Australia are favourites today, and they seem to be a better side than us (overall) on the evidence so far.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bouncers are a part & parcel of the game but whenever a bowler hits a batsman on the head and he falls, courtesy requires that the bowler must go & check on him. It was not nice of Archer to just walk away while Smith was in pain. I was always the first one to run to the batsman.</p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1162994508302209024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After avoiding a fractured arm and then passing the concussion tests, there was simply no stopping Steve Smith from returning to the crease! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ashes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ashes</a> <a href="https://t.co/0WlnZX0ZJR">pic.twitter.com/0WlnZX0ZJR</a></p>— cricket.com.au (@cricketcomau) <a href="https://twitter.com/cricketcomau/status/1162818316056109056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Joseph Gomes said:
England seems to have way too many morons these days. I don't see this kind of organized booing in other countries.
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It’s a nasty strand of English nationalism. Brexit has emboldened them.

But there are many more decent people - Smith got a standing ovation when he retired hurt.
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bouncers are a part & parcel of the game but whenever a bowler hits a batsman on the head and he falls, courtesy requires that the bowler must go & check on him. It was not nice of Archer to just walk away while Smith was in pain. I was always the first one to run to the batsman.</p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1162994508302209024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Archer was first to check Smith was OK.
 
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Should bring in starc and mitchell marsh for siddle & paine. Tell starc to bounce eng out in short spell.
 
James said:
It will be preferable for the spectacle of the series going forward if we win this match, or at least draw it - but I think Australia are favourites today, and they seem to be a better side than us (overall) on the evidence so far.
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Australia aren't overall better than England. The difference has been made by Smith only. That batting doesn't stand a chance without Smith.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">England can win this Test if they get bowled out by lunch! <br>If they allowed to make a declaration, it’s more often than not, not a brave one...</p>— Kevin Pietersen&#55358;&#56719; (@KP24) <a href="https://twitter.com/KP24/status/1163008237026848768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Play delayed by a spot of rain, now blown over and the action to start at 12:10pm. I imagine they will rejig the schedule for the day as they will be able to play until quite late this evening.
 
Play to start at 12:10pm local, in roughly 10 minutes.
 
Biggest disappointment so far is DAVID WARNER. Since his comeback to internationals didn't see him play freely.
 
With a late finish, lots of overs to bowl and Smith unable to bat, England have a great chance of levelling the series today.
 
Eng should win this test match and with smith unable to play next match they should win that as well.
 
Pk716 said:
Biggest disappointment so far is DAVID WARNER. Since his comeback to internationals didn't see him play freely.
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He had an awfully long time out to think about his game. A long way from the "see ball, hit ball" Sehwag type he began as.

His new method was undeniably effective in the WC- he was top scorer in the tournament heading into finals, not sure if he finished on top or not after finals though. But he's found it tougher in the tests- better bowlers, more catchers in position for longer & the red ball does it bit more.
 
England need a lead of about 250. And for the rain to stay away long enough.
 
All going England’s way so far today. Beginning to take the game away from Australia here, who are looking a bit less sharp for some reason.
 
Ab Fan said:
It will be a drawn test.
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Usually fans on here start posting that on about lunch day 1. In an era when the vast majority of tests get a result.

I think you're right though- the extra rain today has taken the chance of a draw into lead position though. Those few catches /DRS last night have probably cost Oz a win & basically chance to wrap up series early.
 
Looks like a Draw unless the Smith-less Aussies fold like a pack of cards in the evening session, which is unlikely but not impossible.
 
Day 5: Lunch Break - England lead by 165 runs

AUS - 250
ENG - 258, 157/4 (54.0 Ovs)

CRR: 2.91
 
Well done Stokes and Buttler - the latter arguably playing for his place.

A pity that we have lost so much time from this enthralling match.
 
Robert said:
Well done Stokes and Buttler - the latter arguably playing for his place.

A pity that we have lost so much time from this enthralling match.
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It's been great entertainment. Still half a chance of a dramatic result. Some of the larger plot has been advanced: a new character in Archer appears; our hero Steve Smith suddenly turns from invincible to vulnerable & must now crawl off his sickbed to make the 3rd Test... Gripping stuff. Love a long series.
 
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