My Reasoning ? LoL have you seen me rate a batsman based on 4-5 match sample size? you may actually win a copyright on that formula. Don't associate me with it. Nobody rates Samuels as a great player because he does well in Finals. Similarly Nobody who knows his cricket well will say that Kohli isnt a great chaser even if he doesnt go on to replicate that in Tri-Series.
Eh, this point was concerning the ODI vs T20 argument, you want T20s to be seriously considered while rating players. So by YOUR reasoning, guys like Samuels, Brathwaite, Finch, Evin Lewis belong in the discussion for best batsmen. It's your proposition, not mine.
And no nobody rates Bracken over Waqar and it has nothing to do with how well Waqar did in Tri-Series (or not ). This is despite Bracken being in a completely different league alltogether in the matches that you keep harping about.
Nope. In the largest sample set, the wickets comparison is 230 something vs 70 something with the corresponding averages being 22 vs 20. That's not entirely "in a completely different league alltogether". Bracken has been a better performer in WCs which is pretty apparent.
as I said it will be very easy to dismantle these posters claims once we speak realtime. Do you seriously think the Indo-Pak Bilaterals that were suddenly common in early 00s were less popular than the Khaleej Times trophy ? Laughable. Just wait and watch the Ind-vs-Aus ODI series starting Sunday and you will get your answers.
Only in India would people care about the upcoming series. The Australian coach hasn't even come to India and most top quicks are rested. They know it's a pointless bilateral series before the Ashes and serves no purpose, so much for your "rating points" argument.
In any case Kohli or any modern player never gets to play 100s of matches in such series these days. So you are not going to rate any modern player at all then ? Talk about being selective.
No, I'll rate modern players like Smith who step up when an ODI Tournament arrives, even if their stats otherwise in ODIs may be mediocre. The likes of Kohli can keep piling up their centuries in bilateral while going two notches down in quality as soon as tournaments arrive.
How has this bursting business worked out for you so far ? Got stuck every where havent you ?
Well seeing the plethora of excuses you've had to use like trying to shoot off the backs of Prasad (whom you yourself abandoned mid argument lol) and Bracken, it's pretty safe to see it's working out pretty well thus far.
And people wont remember him failing to finish of the ODI we lost in WI last month ? Or the ODI he finished vs Pak in 2005/6 ? Or the 2nd ODI vs SL recently ? Is this your understanding ?
Never said that those matches didnt happen. All I said is that they don't deserve special categorization. If Cricinfo didnt offer a filter you wouldnt remember them. But now that you accept that those 4 matches cannot be used to derive any meaningful insightss about Kohli why did you list them despite him doing well in higher category matches ( vs Pak in WC, CT Asia Cup ) ? Agenda much ?
LOL if Kohli had averaged 50+ in ANY of these parameters, be rest assured that Kohli fans would be spamming these statistics to death, but since now they can't it obviously becomes nit picking, except it's not. Stats are stats, they are facts.. and they will be pointed out, whether you like it or not.
Again don't dump your "reasoning" on me. I am merely using your bakwas filters on other players to prove to you the overall bakwasness of your "reasoning". It doesn't mean I subscribe to them. Absolutely not. Kedar has barely played one years worth of ODI's over a period of 2-3 years. Wont even qualify for consideration.
As I said, they're only bakwaas because they show Kohli's averages dropping drastically from a godly figure like the 60s in bilateral to a very modest early 40s and 30s. Obviously Kedhar now doesn't matter because "less stats", but for Bracken vs Waqar that's a completely illegitimate argument for you. Because if bilaterals were oh so important in today's contemporary ODI scene, Kedhar Jadhav should have been rated as a better ODI batsman than Steve Smith, but he's not, not even close to it.. and you know why.
Iam talking of pressure , intensity and such like (your main gripe about Kohli). If you think that ODI didnt have any pressure at all then you are dead wrong. Ditto with many other bilateral matches. This is why you cannot segregate bilaterals and Tr-series using a filter.
Then where do his pressure absorbing instincts go on most instances during the major ICC tournaments and multi team tournaments? Why couldn't he even drag himself to a 20-30 score in the WC 15 SF and CT 17 Final if he's such a chaser par excellence that he chases 360s for fun from 62-4 in bilaterals? That just doesn't compute. Sure he has a couple of great innings in multi team tournament settings as well, I'm not denying that but he's definitely not worth the hype as some sort of a chasing God because he's far from it. That's my main gripe, I'm not saying that he's a bad or even an average ODI batsman. He's much closer to being just a very good/great ODI batsman than to being an All Time Great.