4 pacers + Shadab Khan should be our bowling line up against India

[MRSN]

Seeing how BD spinners have been treated reminded me how Imad was hammered last time he faced India so we should spare him from this phainty and improve our chances at winning.

 

[shaykh]

Horses for courses no?...

Imad's record against the Windies is pretty decent...reckon he's less likely to get tonked by them for instance...

 

[MRSN]

Horses for courses no?...

Imad's record against the Windies is pretty decent...reckon he's less likely to get tonked by them for instance...

Indians generally play spin quite well and we will have other options like Hafeez so no need to play too many spinners against India. 4 pacers is a must to restrict India to below par total.

 

[Afhan Ali]

Imad over Shadab any day

 

[shaykh]

Indians generally play spin quite well and we will have other options like Hafeez so no need to play too many spinners against India. 4 pacers is a must to restrict India to below par total.

In truth both Imad and Shadab would probably both get tonked by India...

For our opener though I would go with Imad...

What i'm saying in general is not to have a fixed strategy...each team will represent a different challenge...

For the Windies I'd go with both Imad and Shadab...

 

[The_Odd_One]

Either way, Pakistani bowlers will go plenty of runs. Pandya must be licking his lips thinking about the so-called spinners Shadab and Imad. Fast bowlers are no world beaters either. Sharma and Dhawan treated these fast bowlers like school boys in Asia cup.

 

[SecularPakistanii]

Imad should be locked up somewhere so he cannot play against India. If he does, he will get butchered.

 

[Chokli]

Spinners or no spinners, we're getting hammered by India

 

[Yezir]

4 fast bowlers as in? Wahab ? Amir? Shaheen? Hasan Ali? wow you guys really hate your own team. It will be 370+ if you went with this lineup

 

[jnaveen1980]

I am not sure where you get the idea we are great players of spin lol They can play spinners well. But couple of leggies have done well against India. Zampa and Rashid. Especially last time India played in England, Kohli got out to spinners all 3 occasions. Twice against Rashid, once against Ali. Zampa has dismissed Kohli thrice, Dhoni twice, Jadhav twice, Rohit twice. Rohit even got out to Shadab in recent times. Having said that Zampa is a different bowler. He bowls leggies at yorker lengths which is something unique. It has flight, dip. He goes for a lot of runs. But he constantly picks wickets against India.

 

[sshakir411]

I agree. Our bowling for the India game should be Amir and Hasan to open with Wahab and Shaheen as the other pacers along with Shadab. Id play Hafeez against India also and use him to get a few overs in.

 

[Itachi]

Now a days, India players play fast bowlers with more comfort than spinners.

 

[Abdullah]

This game at the moment is IRRELEVANT
if we don't beat windies we are almost out!!
Who cares about India at the mo

 

[jnaveen1980]

Now a days, India players play fast bowlers with more comfort than spinners.

True. India has lost a few tests in England only because of Moeen Ali. Lyon also had some success against India. Dhoni has become useless against good spinners. Even in the IPL he targetted mostly pacers.

 

[ali2220]

Now a days, India players play fast bowlers with more comfort than spinners.

You mean to say "quality spinners", something which Pak don't have, i mean Imad doesn't even spins the ball.
Its better to go with 4 pacers and 1 spinner, still Pak will get a hammering.

 

[giri26]

Sorry looking at how the Pakistan pacers have been bowling, I don't think it will bother anyone at the moment. They are all averaging 40+ except for probably Shaheen because he hasn't played enough yet.
Here are the averages since Jan 1 2018:

Amir - 92.6
Hasan - 42.29
Hasnain - 60.60
Shaheen - 25.38

Your best averaging bowling is Shaheen followed by Shadab with 29. Imad averaged 63 by the way.

 

[hadi123]

We shouldn't even be thinking about the India game at this point, but yes, I can't see Imad doing well against them, the only problem is if he does really good in the matches up to that point, then it wouldn't be fair to drop him.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Why are we talking about the India game when we have 4 games before it???

 

[hitthestump]

Given the new found wagginess of our tail in this WC squad i think 4 pacers is a legitimate strategy to be considered. The quicks have 4 games prior to India in which they must find their form though, otherwise we're better off playing Imad simply for his batting.

 

[gazza619]

Couldn't agree more.

Imad has no business playing against India.

As a matter of fact and I know this is a very unpopular opinion, but Imad has no business being in the eleven against any team.

May be I am wrong but he has never won us a game against a good team with either bat or ball. He is also a liability in the field. Credit to him for having a good batting average though but I rather have an erratic match winner in the team rather than a stable steady Imad.

 

[WengerOut]

Normally I don't believe in this, but this time if both team are on their peak on a given day, Pakistan will still beat India.

 

[todfod 11]

I would play extra batsmen against India and trust hafeez , fakhar and haris to bowl the rest of the overs.

 

[hadi123]

Normally I don't believe in this, but this time if both team are on their peak on a given day, Pakistan will still beat India.

Nice #jinx. India are a better team than us for a reason.

 

[troodon]

Play Amir and tell him to go full out and knock off India's Top order. It will be an easy victory for Pak.

 

[dhump]

We have a few games before that let's focus on them and built on top of that.

 

[Justcrazy]

Against India I would have gone with Aamir , Hassan , Wahab , Hasnain , Shadab

I would look to attack with Hasnain and Wahab , and go all out with them.

 

[WengerOut]

Nice #jinx. India are a better team than us for a reason.

Maybe more consistent, Yes.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Might not be enough at this rate.

 

[dhump]

I would say we should boycott India match due to political reasons

 

[MRSN]

Indians having hard time against Morris and Rabada. Pakistan should definitely go with an extra pacer.

 

[Inswing]

Drop shadab for the the match against india and pick shaheen

 

[Chokli]

Indians having hard time against Morris and Rabada. Pakistan should definitely go with an extra pacer.

It's a pity Faheem turned out to be a fraud.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

4 pacers i would go with amir. hasan, hasnain, shaheen....

wahab will have his final match of his ODI career if he plays,,

 

[yasir]

This is where dropping Faheem was premature. You need seaming all rounder against Asian teams. He is needed against all of them.

Flip side is he can bat well also against Asian teams too, we cannot give them 20 overs of spin, that too mostly part timers. Pakistan must bring back Faheem period!!

 

[Mkumar825]

Indians having hard time against Morris and Rabada. Pakistan should definitely go with an extra pacer.

Pitch also play part here

 

[PakLFC]

Hafeez and Shoaib are doing fine at the moment. No need to change it for now.

 

[Chokli]

This is where dropping Faheem was premature. You need seaming all rounder against Asian teams. He is needed against all of them.

Flip side is he can bat well also against Asian teams too, we cannot give them 20 overs of spin, that too mostly part timers. Pakistan must bring back Faheem period!!

Amir, Wahab, Hasan are all more of an all rounder than Faheem ever was.

Have you seen Faheem's stats? If you don't believe in stats have you seen him bat?

How in the world can you classify Faheem as an all rounder?

Sohail Tanvir is more of an all rounder than Faheem.

FAHEEM IS NOT AN ALL ROUNDER.

 

[MenInG]

A lot depends on Shadab Khan as well - needs to be a wicket taking bowler like Indian bowlers were today vs SA

 

[indianpanacea]

Pace rattles India...i would prefer hasnain against India..
To counter chahal and other lefti spinner i would play malik,hafeez and sarfi..in middle order
My order shall be like
Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Hafeez
Sarfaraz
Haris sohail
Asif ali
Shahdab
Amir
Hassan
Wahab

 

[hur rizvi]

I don’t think we can drop Malik against India

 

[hur rizvi]

It's a pity Faheem turned out to be a fraud.

Should have invested in Amir Yamin

I always see him swinging new ball and he is much better bat than faheem

Would love to have him for Malik

 

[Captain caveman]

Pace rattles India...i would prefer hasnain against India..
To counter chahal and other lefti spinner i would play malik,hafeez and sarfi..in middle order
My order shall be like
Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Hafeez
Sarfaraz
Haris sohail
Asif ali
Shahdab
Amir
Hassan
Wahab

You say you would play malik and you leave him out of your team for haris?
I agree with what you say, you jist need to replace haris with malil in this game.
Malik should play against asian teams.
Haris should play against SENA teams.
You also say you want to play hasanain, then omitt him from your team????

 

[MRSN]

I don’t think we can drop Malik against India

Aamazing. Like we haven't learn anything from the game against England. Eng packed their batting yet couldn't chase 350. We have to go with a strong bowling line up to restrict Indian batting. Hafeez+Malik can work against teams like Eng,Aus but not against India.

 

[MRSN]

Hafeez and Shoaib are doing fine at the moment. No need to change it for now.

Yeah but in case you forgot opposition is different and can play spin easily.

 

[PakLFC]

Yeah but in case you forgot opposition is different and can play spin easily.

I realise that. There is no need to change it for now. Sri Lanka are not batting that well and Hafeez bowled well versus England.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I would unleash young Hussein against India. Mystery factor works often.

 

[LegendAli]

Amir, Wahab, Hasan are all more of an all rounder than Faheem ever was.

Have you seen Faheem's stats? If you don't believe in stats have you seen him bat?

How in the world can you classify Faheem as an all rounder?

Sohail Tanvir is more of an all rounder than Faheem.

FAHEEM IS NOT AN ALL ROUNDER.

might as well go to Pakistan and slap Faheem, nonetheless you're 100% correct.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Play 5 fast bowlers and bounce India out. Probably the only way of winning considering India's bowling.

 

[sahiwal_punjabi_786]

4 Pacers Strategy for WC - can we fit Hasnain in?

Trio combo of Hasan, Wahab and Amir looks good.

We also have good spinners in Shadab, Hafeez and Malik.

I think one more strike bowler could be the X factor and help us limit batting sides.

I would swap Asif with Hasnain for the next match, it’s likely Asif will only get 20-40 runs and it’s likely Hasnain might not even need to bat. He also scored 28 runs in his last match so can also bat.

Inclusion of his pace could be the X factor! Imagine those 4 pacers in the team - will be FIRE

 

[Mkumar825]

Could backfire badly .

 

[m.awais]

I would be tempted to play another spinner instead of a fourth fast bowler.

 

[imranyounus]

The selectors have been sleeping over the years. I remember in 1999 pakistan deliberately played A Razaq and Azhar Mahmood even in UAE just to get Razaq experience so he can b used in England. Even Afridi was asked to bowl medium fast.

but dont know what was inzi thinking. we should have played couple of Medium fast allrounders in series against england and Australia.

 

[Hyperion66]

Lol I want to see them try, Rohit alone with whack them to oblivion.

 

[Darkrai]

Lol I want to see them try, Rohit alone with whack them to oblivion.

If you want to see them try, watch CT final highlights, basically the same bowlers bowled India out for 158 in the final.

 

[MRSN]

Lol I want to see them try, Rohit alone with whack them to oblivion.

Rohit is too good against spin. At least with fast bowling we have a chance. He could not do jack against Morris and Rabada yesterday apart from one six. He was treating Pheluk as great bowler as well. Indians no matter how much IPL play on these pitches they have weakness against fast bowling and we know that. Better to take a gamble

 

[Hyperion66]

Rohit is too good against spin. At least with fast bowling we have a chance. He could not do jack against Morris and Rabada yesterday apart from one six. He was treating Pheluk as great bowler as well. Indians no matter how much IPL play on these pitches they have weakness against fast bowling and we know that. Better to take a gamble

Yes, he didn't do jack except winning the game for us on a seam friendly pitch!! Aap mahan ho bhaiji

 

[Revolution]

Rohit is too good against spin. At least with fast bowling we have a chance. He could not do jack against Morris and Rabada yesterday apart from one six. He was treating Pheluk as great bowler as well. Indians no matter how much IPL play on these pitches they have weakness against fast bowling and we know that. Better to take a gamble

If you people know better why you guys are losing against india.

Why new Zealand, Australia lost against India in their home grounds.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Rohit is too good against spin. At least with fast bowling we have a chance. He could not do jack against Morris and Rabada yesterday apart from one six. He was treating Pheluk as great bowler as well. Indians no matter how much IPL play on these pitches they have weakness against fast bowling and we know that. Better to take a gamble

Do you guys even watch Indian matches or not? lol Rohit's only issue is swing. even if it comes at 120 kph. HE is one of the best players against pace and bounce. Possibly has the highest number of pulled sixes in ODI history. 69 sixes in 36 matches against Australia. Highest by country mile.

 

[Mkumar825]

If you want to see them try, watch CT final highlights, basically the same bowlers bowled India out for 158 in the final.

Yea sams bowler Also bowl in Asia cup too

 

[Mkumar825]

Same*

 

[Gullycricket]

India have struggled against spin in recent times.Need to follow Aussie blueprint to beat them.Shadab has to play

 

[ali2220]

Yea sams bowler Also bowl in Asia cup too

But the WC is not being held in asia

 

[Mkumar825]

But the WC is not being held in asia

But Pakistan never beaten India in World cup

 

[ali2220]

But Pakistan never beaten India in World cup

What has that to do with what i was discussing? a guy was saying that rohit alone will be enough, and someone rightly told him to watch an old video!
One day Pak will be able to beat India, it wont be this time around as currently Pak team is much weaker than india.

 

[fight_club]

Not a bad idea at all.

We already will have malik hafeez and shahdab. Asif can be dropped to make way for the 4th seamer.

However it will largly depend on the type of surface on offer. of what we have seen so far their is apparant help for pacers

 

[Mkumar825]

If Pak go with 4 fast bowler they might not complete 50 over in schedule time & sarfi already fine for slow over rate .

 

[ali2220]

If Pak go with 4 fast bowler they might not complete 50 over in schedule time & sarfi already fine for slow over rate .

Still better than going with spinners like imad,malik and hafeez as 5th bowler, even if it lead to sarf getting banned for 1 match.Going to loose in any case but atleast try ur best.You can't bowl to world best batter with so called spinner like imad and part timers.

 

[MRSN]

If Pak go with 4 fast bowler they might not complete 50 over in schedule time & sarfi already fine for slow over rate .

So not getting banned is the target not winning? Amazing logic.

 

[Mkumar825]

So not getting banned is the target not winning? Amazing logic.

Winning is always aim but if Pak play 4 fast bowler then tail starting at 6 .( Shadab is not a all-rounder) also if in 4 fast bowler one of them is all Rounder then no problem but here in not that case .

 

[MRSN]

Winning is always aim but if Pak play 4 fast bowler then tail starting at 6 .( Shadab is not a all-rounder) also if in 4 fast bowler one of them is all Rounder then no problem but here in not that case .

Bowling with hafeez and malik or Imad will cost Pakistan more runs to chase or less to defend. I don't think Pakistan will like chasing 330+ or can score 330 every day. We need to look for their weaknesses which is fast bowling and bit of short pitch bowling. Shadab and Hafeez will be good enough for spin if we need spin.

 

[Majid Khan]

I would go with four pacers and Hafeez/Malik as fifth bowler v India.

Indian batsmen can play spinners like Shadab and Imad with their eyes closed , so no point wasting a space with those two.

Hafeez and Malik should keep things relatively tight or tighter at least compared to Shadab and Imad.

As for the fast bowling options, I would go for Amir, Wahab, Hassan Ali and Mohammed Hasnain.

Team:

Imam-ul-Haq
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Mohammed Hafeez
Asif Ali
Shoaib Malik
Sarfaraz
Wahab Riaz
Mohammed Amir
Hassan Ali
Mohammed Hasnain

 

[ali2220]

Winning is always aim but if Pak play 4 fast bowler then tail starting at 6 .( Shadab is not a all-rounder) also if in 4 fast bowler one of them is all Rounder then no problem but here in not that case .

Hafeez comes at 6 and Shadab comes at 7, and while shadab maynot be a great bat, wahab,Aamer and hassan ali can all bat a bit.You should worry about ur own tail which is very long and will lead to ur downfall against stronger teams.

 

[Mueez]

If Hasnain will play against India, he will get murdered by the Indian batsmen.

So I don’t think it is a good idea as it will also hurt his confidence.

 

[Mueez]

I would definitely play Shaheen instead of Hasan Ali.

We need someone who can utilize the new ball.

 

[zains_rulez]

1 - Imam ul Haq
2 - Fakhar Zaman
3 - Babar Azam
4 - Mohammad Hafeez
5 - Shoaib Malik / Asif Ali
6 - Sarfaraz Ahmed
7 - Shadab Khan
8 - Hasan Ali
9 - Mohammad Amir
10 - Wahab Riaz
11- Hasnain

 

[Arsalan Pro]

If Hasan Ali fails once again in the match against Australia, he might be dropped for that India match.

That would mean either going with 3 pacers or taking a big risk by playing both Shaheen and Hasnain in a 4 prong pace attack, which could be lively if the surface suits them.

Amir and Shaheen swinging the new ball.
Wahab and Hasnain firing pace with the old one at 150 Kph in tandem.

 

[The Viper]

The current setup supports the batting with Malik and Hafeez filling in for the fifth bowler. I don’t think Shadab will be dropped so that means three pacers. Amir, Shaheen and Wahab would be my three pacers. Hasan Ali has not been the same. He is not really picking up wickets anymore and is expensive most of the time. Shaheen is susceptible to being smashed also but he provides a far better wicket taking option at the moment.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

The current setup supports the batting with Malik and Hafeez filling in for the fifth bowler. I don’t think Shadab will be dropped so that means three pacers. Amir, Shaheen and Wahab would be my three pacers. Hasan Ali has not been the same. He is not really picking up wickets anymore and is expensive most of the time. Shaheen is susceptible to being smashed also but he provides a far better wicket taking option at the moment.

More importantly, Shaheen provides us a new ball wicket taking option against a team which is weak against left armer swing bowlers. We surely can't open with Shadab against India, even if Shaheen dosen't play.